Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Morocco/Archive 1

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Hi, just wanted to tell you that there is a mistake on Mohammed El moustaoui : the link leads to a runner... actually he is a proeminent writter in Tamazight whom I know personnaly. He wrote many songs interpreted by Ammour M'barek who was the forst to modernize the Amazigh music. Also, there are serious reasons to think that Cicero was of Amazigh descent : his name is still now pronounced by Russians & others as "Kikeron" & in Tamazight it is 'Ikikern, which means chickpeas''. Other than that his parents used to rise horses as many Amazigh living in Rome where horse breeders.... I think one should at least mention this hypothesis. US accademic researchers have emitted such hypothesis as highly probable. All the best Stan Idelsen

Stuff
Hi everybody i just want to know if there's any article in progress and want to help on it Mohammed AIT LAHCEN
 * Hi everyone! Any chance of reviving this project? Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 00:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, but there are some peculiar articles listed on the front page. (Collounsbury 18:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC))


 * We're planning to get it going. Please consider joining. deeptrivia (talk) 18:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Here a voice. Can't promise huge work, but by little steps one can get thuings move. Cheers wikima 12:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi guys. Just to let you know that many articles has been created. Please let's expand them together. The following table is a recapitulation of the work done w/ remarks: -- Szvest 18:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;
 * Definitely would like to join the effort. I'm in Meknes and can definitely provide photos and info (have also published one book on Morocco) alifbaa

NOTE: Table moved to the main page. Szvest 19:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Country Studies
I've been working on WikiProject Library of Congress Country Studies, a Wikiproject designed to incorporate the Library of Congress Country Studies into Wikipedia. The Country Studies are in the public domain, so the text may be freely used here. The Country Studies program has just released a profile on Morocco with information on Morocco's history, society, economy, and other topics. See the profile here. I have been using the profile's text and information. If you would like to use text from the profile, please update the Morocco subpage for the Wikiproject. This allows other editors to see what still needs to be done. Thanks, I would appreciate any help with importing the Morocco profile into Wikipedia.--Bkwillwm 07:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info BKw! Much appreciated. -- Szvest 12:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;

The whole information relating to Morocco represents a rewriting of history
Essentially by not including that what you dont want to remember. It is superficial at best, and criminaly dishonest at worst.

In relation to the article on Morocco:

It can be argued that the last 50 years in Morocco’s history have been the most relevant as it has become an independent country and has had a belligerent foreign policy with its neighbours, Algeria and western Sahara.

How come the only link to the green march is in the Geography section and is not mentioned in the history??? How come there is no link AT ALL in the article to the sand war

How come that the hundreds of victims of 30 years of repression are written of with a couple of lines: " Hassan II became King of Morocco on March 3, 1961. His rule would be marked by political unrest, and the ruthless government response earned the period the name "the years of lead"."

If you visit the article on Hassan II you get a little bit more of information, but why is this information not included in the main article about Morocco??? Is it only of interest to the personality of Hassan II??

Why is there no mention of the reasons for this political unrest, and the civil and student protest marches that were brutally dissolved by police? Why is there no mention of the extensive use of torture against dissidents? Why isn't there a reference to Tazmarat and other concentration camps to which these where sent?

One aspect of Moroccan torture is that the King is "the giver of light" so many of those imprisoned are submitted to entire years at a time without any light...

Even important aspects of its pre-independence history are ignored. From the ethnological map you can see that Morocco is mainly divided by Arabs in the Plains and Berebers in the mountains. For hundreds of years tribal relations prevailed and when there was disagreement conflict would arise, with a deadlock, as the mountains proved superb defence positions. It was only until the French arrived and set up an effective road system to move troops around, that the country could finally be ruled under one unified leadership.

Why is there no mention about this??

All the questions I pose are discussed at length in Gilles Perrault Notre ami le roi ISBN 2070326950.

Other books are: Stolen Lives: Twenty Years in a Desert Jail (Talk Miramax Books, April 2001)

And Oufkir, un destin marocain (Calmann-Lévy) published by Stephen Smith, formerly African correspondent for the French newspaper Libération and now working for the prestigious daily Le Monde. http://www.nd.edu/~romlang/news/oufkir.html

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Conclusion

The rule under Hassan II was oppressive and repressive, he killed thousands for various reasons, and several attempts where made on his life, mainly from his own military. He started wars with Algeria when they where weak, just after their independence. He took over Western Sahara when Spain was weak, creating a conflict that is raging today.

That this dark history of modern Morocco is dispatched in the article with a couple of passing comments is shameful. We may have an excellent encyclopaedic article, but it is useless if it says nothing.

There are thousands of words to be written, but it seems that Hassan II has done a good job and the truth is buried and forgotten to the majority of its people and the international community. What will happen if I add this information to the page?? Will the Moroccan press (censorship) office come in and delete it?? I wouldn’t be surprised if this comment disappears on Monday.


 * Your saying is too onesided. All countries/Chief of states have their dark sides.
 * Make (constructive) suggestions for change / compeltion in this page and lets see
 * Wikipedia is common work. The remark on Moroccan *censorichip* is just absurd.
 * wikima 19:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Natural Wonders of Morocco
I tested Wikipedia's coverage of Natural Wonders of the World, and Morocco had the most missing articles besides Spain:


 * Amesfrane Rock Wall
 * Chara Caves
 * Chiker Caves
 * Dadès Gorges
 * Kef Toghobeit Cave
 * Tafraoute
 * Ziz Gorges

Although I searched, it's possible that some of these might exist under alternate names. If not, put them on your "to do" list. —Keenan Pepper 20:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
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Marrakech sections
Hello,

I've noticed that the page on Marrakech could use some work. The biggest problem is the Sites section, which provides several lists, but no descriptions/explanations at all. Most of the things listed can be removed, and the ones that remain should be described and explained in detail.

I am not a member of this WikiProject, and don't know much about Morocco. If someone has the time and knows the correct information, please fix it up.

Twas Now 09:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
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Bilateral relations discussion
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Mordechai Vanunu FAR
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Cuisine of Morocco could use a few vegetables
I was looking at the Cuisine and didn't see anything about vegetables dishes in Moroccan cuisine Cuisine_of_Morocco. There must be something peolple have with the chicken and couscous. Kd4ttc 17:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I'll try to fix that. -- FayssalF  - Wiki me up®  19:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Council/Proposals
I believe this very unique culture, with a one-of-a-kind alphabet Tifinagh and history dating back as far as ancient Egypt, merits it's own WikiProject. There is a beautiful portal at Portal:Berbers, and I think Wikipedia would benefit greatly from this. Chris 02:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We're up and running! Please visit and contribute at WikiProject Berbers! Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa
I noticed it was under the scope of this project. What does the Arabic name of the battle (معركة العقاب) read? What does it mean? If possible also reply in my talk page. thanks Arkwatem 14:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

New Pages in scope of project
opiumjones 23 (talk) 05:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Tales of Joujouka
 * Boujeloud
 * Joujouka Black Eyes

List of countries by formation dates
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Need Arabic
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African cinema task force
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Talk:Moors # Seensawsee's edits # The facts
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Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest
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Maroc Cultures
We have a couple of mentions in articles of "Maroc Cultures", apparently AKA l’Association Maroc Cultures, apparently organizers of music festival Mawâzine Rythmes du Monde (Mawazine) http://www.mawazine.ma/. Their website indicates that they are "sous le haut patranage de sa majeste le roi Mohammed VI". Does anyone want to create a stub or redirect for this? I'm also going to try to list this on Requested Articles, but I'm not sure where it should go. If anyone does know, could you please list it there? Thanks. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 18:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Marinid dynasty
Walrasiad (talk) 18:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Over the last few days I have been adding the entries on Marinid dynasty emirs.


 * Abu Yusuf Yaqub (1259 - 1286)
 * Abu Yaqub Yusuf (1286 - 1306)
 * Abu Thabit Amir (1307 - 1308)
 * Abu al-Rabi Sulayman (1308 - 1310)
 * Abu Said Uthman II (1310 - 1331)
 * Abu al-Hasan 'Ali (1331 - 1348)

I have relied primarily on only one source (Ch.Andre Julien, Histoire de l'Afrique du Nord, 1931 (1961 ed.)) to compose the entries, which is probably unsatisfactory. I would welcome review & corrections and additional sources.

I am also not an Arabic speaker, and have transliterated the Arabic spellings from the entries in the French wikipedia. I am not certain they are correct, and would welcome someone to double-check them.

Major, major cleanup needed at Muhammad ibn Abd al-Krim Al-Khattaby
The article Muhammad ibn Abd al-Krim Al-Khattaby is in pretty terrible shape, I can hardly even tell what's going on. Anyone able to help out on the subject? MatthewVanitas (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Check that, it's a (far rougher) duplicate to Abd el-Krim. Prod'ing for redirect. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

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Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 July 1
I should welcome some expert input into the discussion on Alcácer Ceguer, please. Bridgeplayer (talk) 21:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Morocco articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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1995 referendum
I've just created articles on all the national elections and referendums in Morocco (see Moroccan elections). However, I am slightly dubious about one of them. This page of the Parliament's website lists nine referendums, but none in 1995. However, lower down the page, it states that there was one held in 1995 to change the date of the Finance Act vote, thereby contradicting itself. Can anyone confirm which part of the page is correct? The article is here. Cheers, Number   5  7  14:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of La Mañana (Morocco)


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 * A search for references could not find published (gBook) mention of this newspaper, fails WP:N and WP:V

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Move discussion regarding Berber group
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Automated process for article tagging and/or assessing
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Comments requested at Flag of Western Sahara
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Berber Latin alphabet needs some cleanup
See Where does the thumbnail table belong? on the Talk page. --Thnidu (talk) 00:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

"Tizi-n-Test high Atlas" page to be rewritten?
Sorry if this isn't the right place to mention this, but while going to random articles to work on grammar, I came across this page. It seems to be written more as a tourist guide than an expository article, as it tends to highlight the "sights" in the area. I don't think I can edit it correctly, not know much about the subject, but I thought I'd mention it. Zacky30 (talk) 02:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Who can type Tifinagh?
Who can type Tifinagh text? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Marrakesh Template
Hi. I've noticed that the Marrakesh template largely consists of red links. Some of these are due to little errors in the title used on the template, meaning they aren't being linked to existing articles (Badi Palace, instead of El Badi Palace). However, most of the red links are for landmarks or hotels that don't have articles and don't seem to be of any note. Are they really necessary? I've posted on the template talk page, here, if you have any input? Sotakeit (talk) 11:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Pageview stats
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Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses
Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 20:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Proper terminology for the lead of Almohad Caliphate
For those interested, there is currently a discussion at Talk:Almohad_Caliphate regarding whether the Almohad Caliphate should be referred to as a caliphate or a dynasty in the lead. MezzoMezzo (talk) 16:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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Reassess Casablanca tramway
Hi,

Could someone perhaps reassess Casablanca tramway. I don't know the procedure for requesting that here at this project. (It's also at Wikiproject Streetcars and Wikiproject Trams.) It's currently stub class but I've translated practically all of the French article, as requested by the tag – my guess is it should now be Start class. Thanks, Si Trew (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Done. Barryjjoyce (talk) 02:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

How do you properly spell Fes, in English?
Is this a question that keeps coming up? I'm a native English speaker (some french and Arabic) and I find Fez to be incorrect. The OED says otherwise, and recently, an editor has gone and made mass changes of Fes to Fez, in many articles. Comments? -Roxy the non edible dog™ (resonate) 09:43, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Both are correct but it seems that Fez is the most common. Xerxes1337 (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present) listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present) to be moved to List of Conflicts and Terrorist Incidents in the Sahara and Sahel. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 23:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

We need an article Cannabis in Morocco
Hello, I'm working at WP:WikiProject Cannabis, and we're trying to expand our coverage of "Cannabis in (country)" articles, and I saw that we don't have one for Morocco. Morocco has had an interesting role in cannabis history, commercially, culturally, and legally (especially how they gradually illegalized the product, and how it moved from national to international prominence). Morocco is famous for hashish production, and allegedly it makes up 10% of the country's exports, though illegally. Having a strong and well-referenced article would help cut through rumors and myths about hashish in Morocco, and give readers more clear facts and context. We have some suggestions at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cannabis for how to help add more countries to our coverage; anyone here want to help out by covering Morocco? You can use some of our recent articles as a template to see what kinds of facts and details would help! Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 12:10, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar
Since WikiProject Morocco doesn't have one... Sabertooth 22:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Help request: 100 Morocco-related articles needing geographical coordinates
Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles related to Morocco, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in Morocco, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.

The articles in question are listed in Category:Morocco articles missing geocoordinate data. At the time of writing, some examples included:
 * 1) Bou Regreg
 * 2) El Jadida (province)
 * 3) Iles Purpuraires
 * 4) Moulay Yacoub Prefecture
 * 5) Rabat-Fes expressway
 * 6) Rabat-Salé-Zemmour-Zaer
 * 7) Salle 11th November

...and there are many more, as well. At the time of posting this notice, there were 100 articles in this category needing geographical coordinates.

Why add coordinates?
By adding coordinates, a Wikipedia reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Wikipedia overlay, Google Earth, and Wikipedia's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.

How can I do it?
The articles are all marked with coord missing tags, which need to be replaced with coord tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members.

Please let me know if this is useful, or if I can help in any way. -- The Anome (talk) 22:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Mohammed VI of Morocco has no cites
I see that Mohammed VI of Morocco is tagged as "This biography of a living person does not cite any references or sources." That's pretty bad, folks. Biographies of living persons for any living person, but IMHO especially for a high public figure. "Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." (bold in original). IMHO members of WikiProject Morocco should make it a priority to source this article. Please note that I am not a member of WikiProject Morocco and will not be doing this myself. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 18:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip  00:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Photo request
For those of you in the Casablanca area, I put up a photo request asking for a photo of the Royal Air Maroc head office. It is located at Casablanca Anfa Airport. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:24, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Moroccan parliamentary election, 2011
If significant improvements are made to this article, including updating it to reflect the result, the elections will be included as a story in the "In the News" box on the Wikipedia front page. Just thought you'd like to know in case you are able to help. --FormerIP (talk) 17:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:Morocco articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis
The following individuals who are in the scope of this project are showing to be alive on the English wiki, but deceased on another language wiki:


 * Baba Laouissi: fr:Décès en 2012
 * Lalla Latifa: ru:Википедия:Персоны без указанной даты смерти

Please help to find reliable sources to confirm if these individuals are alive or dead, or correct any mis-categorization on the relevant foreign-language article(s). Please see WP:LIVINGDEAD for more info and raise any issues on the talkpage. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Both are still alive and corrections have been made ont their respective articles. Xerxes1337 (talk) 19:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:1912 establishments in French Morocco
Category:1912 establishments in French Morocco, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for merging. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:09, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

2014 census & 2015 new regions
Hi, new contributor here. I came across the Kenitra and Kénitra Province pages when looking for population data but they still have/had the old ones. I'm starting to update them according to the RGPH 2014 by the Haut Commissariat au Plan and the new regions from the 2015 decree. Any coordinated effort here ? Xerxes1337 (talk) 19:49, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Xerxes1337, another user has raised a question on the status of the new regions: you may wish to comment here. I'd be happy to create articles on the new regions and help with whatever else needs updating, as long as it's clear the new regions are in effect. Cobblet (talk) 05:50, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Temsia
Needs a bit of help. Pam D  10:28, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cobblet (talk) 09:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Overflow at the WikiProject Morocco page
Dear all, the main page of your WikiProject has turned on overflow and appears now at Category:Pages_where_template_include_size_is_exceeded. As a result, the two pages User:AlexNewArtBot/MoroccoSearchResult and WikiProject Morocco/Popular pages are either badly transcluded or even not transcluded at all. Perhaps you should consider to replace these transclusions by simple links ? Pldx1 (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Done using a condition. Pldx1 (talk) 13:04, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Contests
User:Dr. Blofeld has created WikiProject Africa/Contests. The idea is to run a series of contests/editathons focusing on each region of Africa. He has spoken to Wikimedia about it and $1000-1500 is possible for prize money. Would anybody here be interested in contributing to one or assisting draw up core article/missing article lists? He says he's thinking of North Africa for an inaugural one in October. If interested please sign up in the participants section of the Contest page, thanks.♦ -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Food and Drink editathon
(To subscribe, Women in Red/Invite list. Unsubscribe, Women in Red/Opt-out list)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages
Greetings Members!

This is a one-time-only message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:


 * Fix and improve Mr.Z-bot's popular pages report

If the above proposal gets in the Top 10 based on the votes, there is a high likelihood of this bot being restored so your project will again see monthly updates of popular pages.

Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

Best regards, — Delivered: 18:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Popular pages report
We – Community Tech – are happy to announce that the Popular pages bot is back up-and-running (after a one year hiatus)! You're receiving this message because your WikiProject or task force is signed up to receive the popular pages report. Every month, will post at /Popular pages with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of. We've made some enhancements to the original report. Here's what's new:
 * The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
 * The report will include a link to the pageviews tool for each article, to dig deeper into any surprises or anomalies.
 * The report will include the total pageviews for the entire project (including redirects).

We're grateful to for his original, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot.

Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I just started stubs...
on Mahmoud el-Alamy, Abdelaziz Drissi-Kacemi, and Mohamed Afilal, but I can't read Arabic, can someone find more information from Arabic sources? Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:37, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I can do that, thanks for creating them! Abdeaitali (talk) 10:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  07:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Forced edits in an article related to Morocco
there is a member trying to erase the astronomer's origins and birthplace. An administrator should intervene if possible. thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur_ad-Din_al-Bitruji --History21st (talk) 00:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation). Cheers, Number   5  7  15:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Ben Arafa
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Ben Arafa&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Agathoclea (talk) 18:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

March 2019: Vive la Francophonie
In connection with International Francophonie Day on the 20th, WikiProject Women in Red is focusing on Francophone Women throughout the month. Help us to increase coverage of Moroccans in English and/or in French, turning red links into blue.--Ipigott (talk) 12:30, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion invitation
Hi. I invite users here to a discussion on map coloring for the UN. Wadaad (talk) 09:01, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Moroccans in Belgium
I have begun work to de-stub Moroccans in Belgium and would welcome any participation from other users, especially with access to published sources on the subject. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

The Months of African Cinema Contest Continues in November!
You can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list

Women in Africa contest
March is the third and final month of Women in Red's focus on biographies of African women in our Women in Africa contest. Up to now, around a hundred articles have been contributed but with your collaboration, we hope to have many more.--Ipigott (talk) 12:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

New stub template
I created Morocco-hist-stub for Dila'ite uprising while stub-sorting. It looks as if that article is likely to be deleted as the creation of a sock puppet - and if no other articles use it, the stub template will be likely to disappear too. So if you're creating, or coming across, any stubs on Moroccan history, please make use of this template. Thanks. Pam D  14:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Alaouite dynasty
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Alaouite dynasty that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 02:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Indaba 2021 is here!
Hosted by the Wikimedia Community User Group Uganda, the first ever virtual Wiki Indaba conference is taking place online from the 5th to the 7th of November 2021 under the theme Rethink + Reset : Visions of the future.

Wiki Indaba 2021 is a unique opportunity to come together to build the capacity of African Wikimedians both within the continent and the diaspora to foster the growth of the coverage and our involvement in Wikimedia projects.

The call for submissions is open, please submit your session proposal either as a presentation, panel discussion, lightning talk, or workshop before September 24th 2021.

Most importantly, we would like to have you at the conference, please register here to get your free ticket and spread the word to your community members.

Looking forward to seeing you and hearing you speak at the conference.

Geoffrey Kateregga (talk) 23:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC) - On behalf of the Wiki Indaba 2021 Local Organizing Committee

Searching for help: clarifications on structure of local government in Fes
Hi all, the Fez, Morocco article is currently undergoing a GA review and we're having trouble finding clear and complete information about the details of local government in the city. Even general knowledge of local government in Morocco would probably help, and any knowledge specific to Fes would be helpful too. If you're familiar with such topics and interesting in helping, here's a link to the discussion: Talk:Fez, Morocco/GA1#Missing section: Local government. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 17:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I can help with this. I should be able to respond on the review page by the end of the week. Cobblet (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

The Months of African Cinema Contest Continues in November!
You can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list

2021 FIFA Arab Cup, Algeria and Morocco A' ?
See the discusion in the Talk:2021 FIFA Arab Cup squads. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 19:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Mohammed Tabet
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mohammed Tabet that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 18:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Request for comment on Si Kaddour Benghabrit
Hello, I'm in a longstanding editing conflict with a single editor over how the role of Si Kaddour Benghabrit in the Treaty of Fes should be covered in the article about him. Most recently, I made this edit and M.Bitton reverted it. Input from other editors would be appreciated. إيان (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The edit in question is not only based on an unreliable source by an engineer, it is also giving UNDUE weight to their opinion about something that is of little importance to the primary topic. Unfortunately, rather than address the raised issue, "إيان" decided to resort to personal attacks. Please see the talk page for more info. M.Bitton (talk) 21:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * To address some of the misrepresentations in the above comment: the "engineer" (and award-winning writer, economist, and senior public administrator) in question is Hamza Ben Driss Ottmani, author of the source That my edit gives "undue" weight is the personal opinion of M.Bitton and nobody else. As for this baseless allegation that I resorted to "personal attacks"—see for yourselves what was said in the discussion, which began here, and see the invective, condescending language this user has used toward me. إيان (talk) 19:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Seeking to check Tifinagh (Amazigh) names of cities
I suppose this could be an informal request for comment, but I've posted a request at the Marrakesh article for editors who are literate enough in Tifinagh (Amazigh) writing to be able to verify the Tifinagh renditions of names in Moroccan city articles, or for sources that we can consult for the official names. See my comment at Talk:Marrakesh. Amazigh names are often the subject of POV-motivated and/or disruptive edits (both for or against) and it would help to have more certainty about this content, so these issues can be dealt with more easily and also to ensure accuracy in general. R Prazeres (talk) 18:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Jews of Color
Please contribute to this new article draft on Jews of Color.--Coin945 (talk) 20:10, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

RfC
Hello, seeking comment on scope of Kabyle myth article. إيان (talk) 07:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Women in Morocco
If anyone is able to look at Women in Morocco, that would be good. The current version has a fragmentary sentence in the first paragraph: "Others adhere to an Arabized and Islamic . Independence from France in 1956.". I can see there were significant changes to the first paragraph in this edit in 2022. I can also see that that that paragraph is sourced to a blog which does not look like a reliable source, and which does not reflect the current content in that paragraph. Thanks, Tacyarg (talk) 21:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon
 Hello WikiProject Morocco:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there! Grnrchst (talk) 13:26, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Peer review request
I have opened a request for peer review to receive a broader perspective on how Fez, Morocco may be improved. Any feedback welcome. –– Formal Dude  (talk)  01:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Saadian invasion of the Songhai Empire
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Saadian invasion of the Songhai Empire that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Bensci54 (talk) 21:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Western Saharan clashes (2020–present)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Western Saharan clashes (2020–present) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Lolekek (talk) 05:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Looking for input at Talk:Marrakesh
Hi everyone, we are looking to get opinions from other editors for a question about the best format for the infobox images at Marrakesh. Your input would be welcome at Talk:Marrakesh. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Erasure of name of Moroccan cities in Tifinagh script
Hello everyone, I'm not sure if someone will read this or an admin or anything but an user keeps on deleting the names of Moroccan cities when they're written in Tifinagh script. This cannot continue. Amazigh is as much an official langage of Morocco as Arabic. If you have some time and you notice the Tifinagh script is lacking, then please undo the modifications that erased them. If for some obscure reason Amazigh is unauthorized on this platform, then can someone please tell me why.Zeblade12 (talk) 10:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I recommend perhaps starting a "Request for Comments" about this if no consensus is forthcoming. I'm pinging here as well, instead of continuing the discussion at User talk:Zeblade12.
 * Two initial comments: 1) there should be no problem including Tifinagh in relevant articles per MOS:FORLANG (but possibly in a footnote alongside Arabic), but 2) Tifinagh names present certain difficulties for verifiability.
 * Verifiability concerns include: it's easy to look up Arabic names in many sources, whereas I'm not sure if any Tifinagh dictionary exists or where to access one if it does, and it's unclear whether the editors adding their own Tifinagh transcriptions are following a standard convention or making up their own transliterations/translations. Naturally, the existence of multiple regional Amazigh languages also complicates the matter. The fact that I've seen various editors and IPs arbitrarily change Tifinagh names over the years without explanation (other than a terse "corrected") illustrates this problem. On at least one occasion I found that a Tifinagh name added by an editor this way looked nothing like the one seen on official signage.
 * This puts Wikipedia in the awkward position of acting like a pseudo-dictionary for Tifinagh without being able to cross-check it for reliability. Ideally, we could use whatever Tifinagh names are used by official sources, but the latter often omit Tifinagh. I imagine similar problems must exist for other local languages around the world that unfortunately have very limited institutional support (constitution notwithstanding). R Prazeres (talk) 19:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This was exactly my point. The names being used are not backed by verifiable sources and are very likely to be inaccurate. For instance, the English and French Wikipedia articles for Zagora, Inezgane and Midelt present contrasting Berber spellings, making it unclear which is the correct one. Additionally, most of these articles use native names that are not written in the official Standard Moroccan Amazigh, but instead in unofficial local Berber languages such as Tachelhit or even "Berber languages" (as seen in Casablanca and Rabat), without specifying the specific Berber language used. I have also considered MOS:FORLANG as a potential solution to this issue, but I am uncertain about the objections raised against this rule. The guideline states that "a single foreign language equivalent name may be included in the lead sentence" and advises against the use of alternative lengthy names to avoid cluttering the lead sentence. The rule's example of a Ukrainian province is applicable to Moroccan cities in this context. Skitash (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For your first point: indeed I noticed the inconsistent names across French and English wikis previously, that's another good example of the problem. For the last point (lead sentence clutter), the policy recommends using a footnote, so in cases where we do have accurate version in both languages, I think that's an easy enough solution. R Prazeres (talk) 20:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For your first point: indeed I noticed the inconsistent names across French and English wikis previously, that's another good example of the problem. For the last point (lead sentence clutter), the policy recommends using a footnote, so in cases where we do have accurate version in both languages, I think that's an easy enough solution. R Prazeres (talk) 20:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@NAADAAN, you may wish to participate in this discussion. @Skitash, respectfully, you should probably refrain from reverting editors on this issue while discussion is still ongoing, as Drmies also requested earlier. As I said above, Tifinagh is at least reasonably relevant and I don't think it can be dismissed on MOS:FORLANG grounds alone. NAADAAN is making an effort to show sources, though I think this needs to take the form of proper citations (I haven't been able to access most of the URLs copy-pasted in edit summaries like this).

As I mentioned above, an RfC might be the best way to obtain a wider and more constructive consensus. The question would need to be worded more neutrally than what's above, but I'm happy to help craft one. Let me know if any of you want to proceed this way. R Prazeres (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes I'm fine with a RfC. I had posted a message onto @Skitash's user page, but it'd be way more appropriate to hold such a discussion here. I honestly don't think that the argument of the use of the Amazigh language being irrelevant should even be entertained, if it's notable enough for many municipalities to include it alongside Arabic in their logos and official documentation, it's good enough for Wikipedia.
 * Regarding inconsistent names in Tifinagh, and fears of unavailability regarding reliable sources -- which is the main concern you express here -- I propose the following procedure to have the most accurate and reliable spelling especially in cases of BLP:
 * For public Moroccan personalities which were either known to be native Berber speakers or alive during or after the 2001 Ajdir speech where Standard Tamazight was announced, attempt to find transcriptions in the Std. Amazigh version of sites relating to their profession (i.e. the Agadir municipal council, members of Government on the Prime Minister's site, Tiznit film festival, etc...).
 * If this is unfruitful, attempt to find a spelling on the Tamazight service for Maghreb Arabe-Presse (MAP; i.e. appointment of Mohammed Berrid as Ins.-Gen. of the FAR, announcements of royal appointments of governors for 2023).
 * If this is again unfruitful, attempt to find a spelling on Amazigh-speaking news sites (AgadirToday, AkalPress, AzulPress, AmadalAmazigh). If a proper transcription cannot be found, then it is better left omitted per WP:OR.
 * For institution, rely on their own usage (Ministry of Health, CDAI, etc); for more secretive institutions, rely on their use by the MAP or in the IRCAM's DGLAI dictionary.
 * For places, rely on the usage used by respective municipal governments (for Fes-Meknes, the commune's logo gives the inscription of ⴼⴰⵙ-ⵎⴽⵏⴰⵙ; the commune of Sale has its own website in Tamazight) or maps made by the appropriate agency for more rural places (i.e. maps published by the Agadir Urbanism Agency).
 * If this is unfruitful, perhaps rely on weather reports made by the General Directorate of Meteorology and published by the MAP or the same royal appointments published by the MAP. If this is once again unfruitful, rely on reports from other branches of government, then other press reports.
 * For things dated to the Andalusian period, perhaps rely on Ibn Tunart's lexicon and make use of the Berber Arabic alphabet or the Berber Latin alphabet. For people, places, or things mentioned in Roman-era inscriptions, write in Latin or in Tifinagh. For pre-Roman things, write in Tifinagh with perhaps something similar to Template:MongolUnicode to replicate top-to-bottom writing in original Tifinagh inscriptions.
 * For Algeria, replace the IRCAM with the HCA and Maghreb Arabe-Presse with Algerie Presse Service.
 * I understand that many of these are primary sources, but in this specific case, they are the most reliable for transcriptions per WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD especially considering how lacking sources are. Apologies if this too long or overwhelming, but calling this a controversial subject would be an understatement. Have a nice day! NAADAAN (talk) 23:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think those are good tips. With the exception of #7: for historical topics, we should stick to only what secondary sources use, otherwise we will certainly fall into WP:OR (sometimes even the Arabic names/translations in these articles have this problem too); whereas that isn't really an issue for contemporary names, which should indeed be based on current usage that we can verify. R Prazeres (talk) 23:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * With regards to #7, I was thinking of early Roman-era Tifinagh inscriptions in the case that secondary source affirms not only its spelling but the meaning as well (i.e. this) -- I do agree that relying on a primary source in that way would stir up the pot in some way, so perhaps only rely on secondary literature citing it. Do you think this is an issue still worth raising to an RfC? Either way, do you think it would be a good idea to reinstate those names and add an inline citation to the appropriate source? I already did such a thing with Morocco. NAADAAN (talk) 23:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For things like historical inscriptions, I think generally speaking it's of course fine to mention them in the body of the article, where relevant, but it's not a good idea to introduce them as alternate names in the lead section (which should be only a summary of essential, straightforward facts; anything that needs further explanation, context, or debate should be in the main body). And yes, always rely on secondary sources.
 * I don't see a problem with adding Tifinagh names to relevant contemporary topics if they're supported by a relevant citation. As MOS:FORLANG recommends, we can use a footnote to avoid clutter in the opening sentence. Either way, though, the important thing is also to not continue edit-warring, so don't do this if it's already being reverted. R Prazeres (talk) 02:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I am uncertain about the reliability of the provided sources, as they seem to pose certain issues. As NAADAAN correctly highlighted above, all of these are primary sources, and I question the applicability of WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD in this context as the provided sources don't seem to meet the criteria as stated in that particular rule (e.g. having to be "authoritative, high-quality, accurate, fact-checked, expert-approved, subject to editorial control"). Only a handful of the presented sources actually directly pertain to the topic being discussed (city names). Since the websites for Agadir and Salé are government-affiliated and promotional, it might be more suitable to list them as external links at the end of the article, rather than relying on them as authoritative references. Moreover, the other referenced websites (AgadirToday, AkalPress, AzulPress, AmadalAmazigh) appear to be of questionable reputability and credibility. This issue is exacerbated by the fact that all of these articles are written in Tifinagh, which can not be translated easily, making them inaccessible and incomprehensible to readers and editors alike. I have no issue with holding an RfC. If that method isn't viable, and should Tifinagh text be included, I would recommend integrating it into footnotes as @M.Bitton had aptly done in Tamazgha due to verifiability issues. Skitash (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "This issue is exacerbated by the fact that all of these articles are written in Tifinagh, which can not be translated easily" there is a romanization protocol under ALA-LC, if that is what you are inquiring about. You can try a web-app here. If it is going to be put as a footnote despite its verifiability, then it should also be included with Arabic like in the case of Morocco.
 * Also, any supposed promotional or ideological bias that you may perceive in sites for the Agadir City Commune, or the MAP, or Tamazight-language news sites wouldn't hinder the quality of the transcriptions insofar as it fits the criteria in WP:BLPSELFPUB. When it comes to differing transcriptions, then the most authoritative one should be picked, and especially in the case of BLP or organizations, it's better to use the wording used by themselves or organizations closest to their field of work.
 * Per WP:PRIMARYCARE a "person's autobiography, own website, or a page about the person on an employer's or publisher's website, is an acceptable", as well as an "organization's own website is an acceptable (although possibly incomplete) primary source for information about what the company says about itself and for most basic facts about its history, products, employees, finances, and facilities." NAADAAN (talk) 00:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The question of the weak sourcing aside, I think that there is a problem with how MOS:LEADLANG is formulated since it appears to contain information that is open to interpretation. I raised the issue on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section. M.Bitton (talk) 16:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As per the above, Tifinagh transcriptions and transliterations are not standardized, and the cited sources are primary (with PRIMARYNOTBAD being nonpertinent here); this has also been discussed extensively at Talk:Algeria. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 22:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "with PRIMARYNOTBAD being nonpertinent here" Why exactly? NAADAAN (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Criterion 3 of WP:PRIMARY states "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge"; Tifinagh names, transcriptions and transliterations are not verifiable. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 01:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Per the proposal I wrote and in harmony with WP:PRIMARYCARE, the transcription used by the person or an organization associated with the person is authoritative with regards to their name, which fits with MOS:NAME. Is there a problem with this?
 * They can be verified by transliterating such to Latin through the ALA-LC standard. Also, I seldom understand why knowing Tamazight would be considered "specialized knowledge" or would be irrelevant if a good part of the Moroccan population (at least 1/4!) speaks it and especially so knowing that Tifinagh is generalized in the Moroccan school curriculum. Of course, it would be considered "specialized" for WP:AVERAGE, but the same can be said for knowledge in Arabic. NAADAAN (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "Also, I seldom understand why knowing Tamazight would be considered "specialized knowledge" or would be irrelevant if a good part of the Moroccan population (at least 1/4!) speaks it" While that is true, it's important to note that merely speaking Tamazight doesn't necessarily imply proficiency in the Tifinagh script or written forms of the language. I assume the quarter you mentioned is based on the 2014 census. That percentage constitutes the speakers of individual Berber languages (4% Tarifit, 14.1% Tashelhit and 7.9% Central Atlas Tamazight), which are primarily oral without a major written component. Furthermore, while it may be generalized, only 9% of children are taught Standard Moroccan Amazigh in schools. Hence, in this context, knowledge of Tamazight could indeed be considered "specialized knowledge".
 * Regarding your proposal in harmony with WP:PRIMARYCARE and MOS:NAME, I fail to see the applicability of these rules to the current discussion. The former rule relates to autobiographies and companies while the latter concerns biographies and personal names, and neither pertains to the topic of geographical locations and cities. Skitash (talk) 14:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "it's important to note that merely speaking Tamazight doesn't necessarily imply proficiency in the Tifinagh script or written forms of the language" There's a new census coming in a few months, so I deem it counter-productive to go around in circles over it at the given moment. I'm ready to concede to add the ALA-LC transliteration of the Tifinagh transcription if this is a valid source of concern like in the page for Aziz Akhannouch.
 * "The former rule relates to autobiographies and companies while the latter concerns biographies and personal names" It's worth considering that @Snowstormfigorion also removed the Tifinagh inscriptions for Mohammed VI, Moulay Hassan, and Aziz Akhannouch; also, who wouldn't be more qualified to know the name of an established city than its regional government? NAADAAN (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Nadaan, no one's going around in circles except you. As elaborated by everyone, Tifinagh, period, is non-verifiable, that also includes its romanization. The PRIMARYCARE and PRIMARYNOTBAD explanatory essays are not applicable here per their parent policy PRIMARY. So stop WP:STONEWALLING, would you? Snowstormfigorion (talk) 16:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Snowstormfigorion, who is "everyone" in this case? I gave clear enough instructions on how to verify Tifinagh which I have yet to hear criticism for that I haven't addressed. I'd be appreciative if you at least offered a counter-argument per WP:NEGOTIATE.
 * You have needlessly reverted the articles back against WP:EDITCON despite consensus building not being over and there being explicit calls in this conversation for this not to be done. Cc. @R Prazeres, do you believe this is worth making an RfC over? I don't want to take overly drastic measures. NAADAAN (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This has been a recurring issue for a long time and it potentially concerns a lot of articles. So I think that yes, an RfC would help (hopefully) to clarify and set the best way forward. R Prazeres (talk) 16:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * RfC created, hope I did not screw this up. NAADAAN (talk) 16:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)