Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Archive 30

Participants needed at GAR
Folks, I recently initiated a good article reassessment of the song article Wait Your Turn as I believe it does not meet one of the GA criteria. At GAR, the main editor of the article engaged in votestacking and quickly built up false consensus, then managed to persuade an administrator to abbreviate the GAR process because of the consensus. Apparently 47 hours remain for others to participate before the administrator takes action. So I am asking you, if good article status should have any meaning at all, please chime in here. The article offers almost no information about the song's writing, recording or composition, which I think we can agree are the "main aspects" of the subject (see GA criterion #3a), and the main editor and his friends are arguing that the criterion can be overlooked because the information is not available. I don't see how the criteria can reasonably be read to allow for that – the note says not every major fact must be included, but addressing the main aspects must require the presence of at least some major facts. Lax interpretation has plagued recent pop music GAs, principally because there is a clique of editors who routinely review each other's GANs, and is lowering whatever esteem GA status once held. Thanks for your consideration.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 02:16, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Renard Queenston
Some eyes on this article's AfD from music experts would be welcome. --Dweller (talk) 12:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

A Disturbing Trend
Hi everyone, Over time I've noticed a disturbing trend with artist’s wiki pages. Several of the more popular artists pages are updated by fans who seemingly post any little news they can about the artist's new album into said article. The problem is that when the artist's album comes out they stop updating the page and very few people are left to clean up the resulting mess. For instance I recently updated the Chris Brown page whose latest album is about half a year old. Scattered throughout the section documenting his life during the F.A.M.E era there were several seemingly random lines such as "Chris Brown also announced the release date for the album would be in March 2011" and "He plans to tour for it starting in April" Both statements look sloppy due o their redundancy (AKA now that it's September 2011 nobody cares when he announced said album would be out, just when it was released.) This seems to be a pretty widespread problem, and one I really don't know how to solve. I guess the best way to start would be for every one who reads this to go to the page of a favorite artist and make sure the page is updated reasonably. Thanks -Deathawk (talk) 05:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Also part of that trend is the growing number of articles with extensive album credits that violate WP:DIRECTORY. An example I have just seen which has compelled me to comment here is 21_(Adele_album). -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 14:25, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, albums being filled up with charts and tables - certifications, chart positions, international rankings, procession and succession within charts, release history: mind-numbing exact days by territory and label.... All "referenced"... er, copied from good sources but completely meaningless. Not supported by prose, void of meaning and any discussion of their relevance... Subject to vandalism if they've even been re-checked at all... Stealing from their sources esp. Allmusic and Billboard... A wasteland of boxes... Dan, the CowMan (talk) 14:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Prince proposal
Please add your opinion. | help  dןǝɥ  | 03:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Systems in Blue
Through the prod of Detlef Wiedeke I came to notice Systems in Blue and a host of articles on singles and albums. Can someone here give them a lookover for notability? Agathoclea (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Request for comments
Suggested merge could use some input. Please read and comment if you have an opinion on the subject. Thanks! 173.48.124.77 (talk) 19:13, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Reward board
Just posting this for anyone who may be interested in it. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 16:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Cathartica
Hi all, I am not a member of this wiki and don't really edit music articles, but I have been directed to, who seems to be making bad edits on music articles all over Wikipedia. I don't feel qualified to talk with them, but I thought I would refer you to him. Perhaps it is worth monitoring him, advising him, perhaps even warning him. Thanks, — Half  Price  17:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

RFC On Notability Of Albums
I think everyone who has an interest in music articles should speak up as this may have a major impact on the project. Ridernyc (talk) 18:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

How to format record chart positions in text
I've had a look around but I can't find the MOS for this point. When mentioning in an article text that a single charted at #3 (for example), how is it meant to be written? Is it number three, number 3, no. 3, No. 3, or #3? I've seen just about all of them - which is correct according to the MOS (if there is one)? Thanks. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:54, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this is in the MOS, but I would write number 3 or number three. For big numbers, just number 62 etc. —Gendralman (talk) 02:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Seems like it ought to be in the MOS though. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Notability of mixtapes
Is there a special notability requirement for mixtapes? Is Training Day (Kendrick Lamar mixtape) a notable mixtape? The Mark of the Beast (talk) 21:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello? Is this thing on?  The Mark of the Beast (talk) 05:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about your lack of responses. Referring to WP:NALBUMS, the guidelines say, "Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings) is in general not notable; however, it may be notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources." However, other than that, I personally don't have much info about the notability of mixtapes. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 21:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

The Selena Task Force
I would like to propose a task force for Selena. Since there are only less then 10 contributors who edit the article regularly and myself who promotes/expand her articles I think its better to do a task force then a WikiProject for her. Thanks, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  20:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I oppose. A single article is too small of a scope for a taskforce. Even a few articles aren't enough. This has been tried a lot of times and hasn't been successful. You can watchlist the article and discuss on the article's talkpage.  Royal broil  02:48, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Notability help
Hi everyone! I recently came upon the page for Noah23. Noticing it was unreferenced and of dubious notability, I started to look into it. I noticed, however, that this page contains massive amounts of links to albums, artists, mixtapes, and singles all of dubious unlikely notability. Would anyone be able to help sort through all this? Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:20, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The subject appears notable to me. There's coverage in Exclaim!:       He's been the subject of coverage on CBC Radio 3:  There's coverage in Chart (magazine)  and an Allmusic review . Also a little coverage in the Toronto Star (25 July 2002, p. G3). A lot of the singles and mixtapes could likely be merged into a discography. But most of the albums can probably remain as separate pages, as there are reviews of them.  Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 21:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, the musician and respective albums seem notable enough to keep around, while they could always use with improvement. The musicians and the albums do appear to have enough reliable coverage. Also, as I was looking through the pages, I was thinking that deleting all of them would be rather unfortunate. But as I mentioned earlier, these pages could use some improvement. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 21:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I'd be glad to have some help with adding the sources, from whoever would like to assist. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 04:57, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

MP3 links in articles
I came across Podnebesnaya and noticed the unusual links, which appear to be to full MP3s. I can't imagine this is legal. The page wasn't tagged for this project, so I figured nobody here had seen this yet. If it is somehow on the level it is still the first time I've seen an article linked like that. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  03:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Have been removed as per  WP:ELNEVER and WP:LINKSTOAVOID.Moxy (talk) 05:09, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Strictly inappropriate. While it might be the case that the particular hosting sight is blessed as a favorite fansite of the group, our guidelines prohibit linking of that sort. (And I double edit conflicted with Moxy; here and on the page in question. :D) --Izno (talk) 05:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Splitting of "Guns N' Roses" article to "Guns N' Roses history"
I copied the "History" section of Guns N' Roses to Guns N' Roses history. Please visit the talk pages for either of these articles to discuss. I plan to remove or shorten the history starting on December 18 or later.--Jax 0677 (talk) 02:00, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to update "Template:Roadrunner United"
I would like to make an invitation to update Template:Roadrunner United, as adding all of the musicians and ensembles could be quite time consuming. How can I go about doing so?--Jax 0677 (talk) 01:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Splitting of "Megadeth" article
The article for Megadeth is over 100 MB, and therefore should be split up. Please discuss atSplitting of "Megadeth" article--Jax 0677 (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Second opinion needed at AfC
Could someone with more musical knowledge than I please take a look at this submission: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/KW Music Group in particular the reliability of the sources, as I am having a hard time ascertaining weather this label is notable. Thanks in advance Pol430 talk to me 22:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Discogs always used to be one the tests to see if an artist was notable (along with All Music), so it should be solid as a reliable source. AllRecordLabels' author appears to be good. Another thing that I look at is "Would the label meet WP:MUSIC if it were an artist?" Are some of its artists notable? I'd say yes.  Royal broil  02:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the second opinion, I have created the article Pol430  talk to me 12:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Music will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in music; as performers, musicians, producers, etc. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Adrenaline Mob
There is a discussion at Talk:Adrenaline Mob concerning the use of the term supergroup in describing the article's subject. Additional opinions would be appreciated, to establish some sort of consensus one way or the other. Thank you. -SudoGhost 10:36, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry
Please, share your opinion at Village_pump_(policy). --Eleassar my talk 12:03, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Dubstep
Like it or not, I've started a proposal for a new WikiProject Dubstep that can be found at WikiProject Council/Proposals/Dubstep. Any comments appreciated! Thank you, Jaguar (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Gathering music chart data
Is there a good way to collect music chart data for an act, album, or song? One that captures domestic and international sales? Does a tool exist for this? One that might generate a related wikitable? Thanks. Artaxerxes (talk) 22:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Pop Up Video
Are the pop ups on VH1's Pop Up Video allowed to be used as reliable sources when writing about songs and music videos? Matthewedwards : Chat  03:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The Miracles - cleanup needed.
This article is an eyesore. I asked the main editor,, years ago to fix the POV and bias issues, which have only gotten worse over time. Please assist in cleanup if you can. Thanks --FuriousFreddy (talk) 03:52, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Arts for featured portal consideration
I've nominated Portal:Arts for featured portal candidacy, discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Arts. Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Portal:Arts

Band Timeline
I have proposed BandTimeline. I think wiki would benefit from standardising the timelines, such as using the same colour on every table for the same instrument, the ordering of instruments, the ordering of members etc. What do you think?Yellowxander (talk) 19:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)