Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Archive 3

Circus music
Alright. A while back I tried to offer up the current link of Circus music as its own page, instead of redirecting to Entrance of the Gladiators as it currently does. I also put it on requested pages. So far, nothing's changed, so I thought I'd drop a note here, maybe someone can create an article about this somewhat distinct genre? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 18:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

More Genres
I think a few genres are missing. One might consider these "subgenres" of Electronic, except that these genres don't necessarily include any electronic instruments (if at all):
 * Contemporary Classical
 * New Age
 * Solo Piano

Should these be added to the project? /Timneu22 01:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Heavy metal music FAR
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Meta-Metal
The article about Meta-Metal has been created today. There is only one page that links to this article and I couldn't find any mention of it neither at Heavy metal music nor at List of heavy metal genres. Is there really such a genre? Jogers (talk) 13:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Rumba and Rhumba
Whoever has written the article Rumba, an afro Cuban form of music based on drumming and chants, has got it confused with Rhumba a 1950s Cuban American form of jazz that is not the same thing, (Check this to confirm). The article Rumba therefore mixes the two in a way that is too difficult to extract on first glance. It needs to be rectified fast because its a major error on the part of wikipedia. Help would be welcomed.-- Z leitzen (talk)  05:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC) In United States, Rhumba (written as Rhum) was used for many cuban genres, as cuban son, bolero... There is also a subgenre of flamenco called Rumba flamenca and catalan rumba, also rumba of Congo...194.2.163.124 11:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Assessments needed
Can the following be assessed please?;


 * 1) Alternative metal
 * 2) Christian metal
 * 3) Classic metal
 * 4) Dark metal
 * 5) Oriental metal
 * 6) Power metal
 * 7) Progressive metal
 * 8) Symphonic metal

Thanks. LuciferMorgan 03:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

fusion genres
See : Talk:Music_genre —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.2.163.124 (talk) 09:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

Ballad and Ballad (music) -- Req for input
After visiting the article Ballad and finding it really inadequate in terms of the use of the term in contemporary musical contexts, I decided to create a new article, currently called Ballad (music), & add links in the "Ballad" article and the disambig page. I realize the "Ballad" article itself deals mostly with music, but it's a bit broader, and the definition of the term has strayed a long way from its medieval and renaissance roots. I think the lists of songs in the original article demonstrate massive confusion over definitions (see my comment at Talk:Ballad). I'm not married to the article title as it stands, though.

I'd appreciate other editors' input/help with: Thanks in advance, &mdash; Turangalila  (talk) 18:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) rating/improving the new article,
 * 2) how to reconcile/clarify the various "Ballad" articles & the disambig page,
 * 3) possibly editing some links from the original to the new article, and
 * 4) deciding where ballad should link by default.

World Music -> Geographically-based music & Roots music
Hi all. I'm suggesting that the "World Music" project be split into a "Geographically-based music" project, and a "Roots music" project. I'm using "Roots music" in the sense that it's used on the Roots revival page, not the "American roots music" sense.

-- TimNelson 00:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

genre categories
The structure of Category:Albums by genre, Category:Musical groups by genre, Category:Songs by genre, etc., should essentially be identical to Category:Music genres, correct? If you create/move/rename/delete a category in one, you really ought to do it in all of them. &hArr; ChristTrekker 20:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be quite an involved task to keep everything synchronized. It would still be worthwhile... assuming that we had a guideline on what the complete list of genres should be. –Unint 21:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think one needs a complete list of every genre before you start such an effort. Just some thought into how these categories interrelate, and a note at the top of each category about that relationship with a reminder to the effect of what I stated above.  Maybe a diagram with a well-known example.  As editors become familiar with the "correct" structure, things will begin to conform. &hArr; ChristTrekker 04:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Roots music
Are there any objections if I mark the "Folk music" colour as "includes Roots music"? And also "includes Traditional music"?

-- TimNelson 10:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion on eliminating Category:(Nationality) (instrument) by genre from the categorization guidelines
For those interested in how musicians are classified, but who do not have the WikiProject Musicians/Categorization talk page on your watch list, I have started a discussion here about whether we need the category level of Category:American pianists by genre, etc, and I would appreciate views being expressed (at that location, of course). My (possibly incomplete) list of categories that would be upmerged if the guidelines change as I suggest is here. Bencherlite 10:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Genrebox traceback project
I just thought I'd mention that I just created the section WikiProject Music genres/To Do.

-- TimNelson 04:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

FAR
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Visual kei
There is an edit war going on at Visual kei - so I thought I would bring the information here. The argument is "does Visual Kei" count as a genre? The japanese wiki page says so, and divides it up into several sub genres: コテヴィジュ系, (Kotekei - like Early Dir en Grey, Basier, Phantasmagoria), お洒落系（オサレ系）(Oshare Kei - like Baroque, Antic Cafe, Ayabie), コテオサ (Koteosa - like Vidoll, 12012), 黒服系 (Kurofuku kei - like LUNA SEA、BUCK-TICK、ZI:KILL, Kuroyume), and ソフトヴィジュアル系 (Soft Visual Kei - like SIAM SHADE, GLAY, SOPHIA, Janne Da Arc, and Sid). Now the problem with the Japanese wiki page is it is not sourced.

I have provided two sources that list Visual as a musical "genre" - even the New York Times is not acceptable. Therefore I will provide all these articles that state Visual Kei is a Genre:


 * 1. New York Times
 * 2. Sociology Thesis paper
 * 3. The Carillon (student newspaper):
 * 4. Big Take Over.com (music site): http://www.bigtakeover.com/news/japanese-rock-on-npr
 * 5. The Grammy's website:
 * 6. J-Music Ignited Japanese Music Site, possible fan site
 * 7. Asian Pacific Arts Magazine
 * 8. Punk News.org (Online Magazine)
 * 9. Fashionline.com (Online Magazine)
 * 10. Tokyo a la Mode (appears professional, potential fan site)
 * 11. Blistering (Online Magazine w/ Interview) http://www.blistering.com/fastpage/fpengine.php/link/1/templateid/12842/tempidx/5/menuid/3 "Blistering: Originally you guys were part of the visual kei movement in Japan. Would that be comparable to U.S. glam rock? What did the movement bring to the music scene? Kaoru: When we were growing up around [the] late '80s and early '90s, visual kei was influenced by glam music. When visual kei became a huge hit, people started seeing it as a form of entertainment and not as being rock. The darker, more extreme image from before is lost, and now people see it as being a genre that appeals to teenage girls."
 * 12. International Music Feed - interveiw with bands that call it a Genre: http://www.imf.com/link_player.html?video_id=2283

Other good ref's for the article - don't mention genre:
 * http://home.gwu.edu/~kizyr/thesis-ia/Kaiser%20Farooque%20-%20In%20the%20Local%20Image.pdf
 * http://nippop.com/features/

So the question become - how many sources do we need to define Visual as a genre? The article continually suffers for [WP:NPOV] type writing, so some non-interested wikipedians jumping in would be very helpful. If we need more sources in japanese, I can get those as well. Denaar 06:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll jump in at Talk:Visual kei -- no sense spreading the discussion around everywhere. -- TimNelson 10:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Update - there is now an official request for comment at the page. Denaar 05:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

G-Unit Records WikiProject
--The-G-Unit-Boss 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

New Age is a nominee for the Article Improvement Drive
The article New Age is a current nominee for the Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. One of the areas in which the article is in need is the "New Age Music" section. Any editors wishing to perhaps help with the development of this article in the Article Improvement Drive should indicate as much at Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. Thank you. John Carter 15:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Merging/redirecting Electronic Music and Electronica articles (closed)
Just to let you know there's a discussion going on on Talk:Electronica regarding whether electronica is even a sub-genre or not, and also how to organise the articles on electronic art music and electronic popular music. - Zeibura (Talk) 17:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

update
The discussion about redirecting or merging Electronica to Electronic music taking place at this link:  on the Electronica talk page. An editor has stated the intention to make this change quickly, so if anyone wants to enter comments, now would be the time. The editor has already moved Electronic art music to History of Electronic Music without consensus or wider discussion. I'm not saying whether that move was a good idea or not, just reporting that it was done and not discussed. I am posting this as a neutral Request for Comment without involving my own opinions on this, to invite editors from related music pages to participate in the discussion. --Parsifal Hello 06:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion has since been closed with clear consensus to keep the separate article title Electronica. --Parsifal Hello 19:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Electronic dance music page renamed to Electronic Music (popular & dance) (closed)
An editor has redirected Electronic dance music to a new title Electronic Music (popular & dance) without discussion, and has made extensive content changes resulting in loss of information. The result is that there is no longer a page about Electronic dance music. I reverted the change and the editor immediately undid the reversion, and moved the page again, so I am requesting other editors to take a look and form a consensus about which version is wanted. Comments are invited at this talk page link. --Parsifal Hello 09:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The above RFC discussion has been closed with consensus to keep the original page name of Electronic dance music. --Parsifal Hello 19:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Article for Music Genre
The top page for this project - Music Genre - has no sources. I have provided some on the talk page. There is a real need to update that page, as it would be a "high level" article for this project, I am posting a request here. Denaar 16:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Help with "popularity" section in genrebox
Hi. I've been watching over Eurodance for a while, and basically smoothing out contributions made by many IP editors all around the world. However there is one part of the article that is constantly being changed, which is the popularity section of the infobox. People keep adding and removing countries from the top, medium, and low popularity tiers. So I've come to ask you all, how do you handle this issue in your own articles? In theory a reliable source could settle the matter for good, but how would we get a source rating the popularity of a music genre across the 300 countries in the world? Squidfryerchef 16:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Question about genre boxes being used incorrectly
Just wondering... why does Arena rock have a genre box?? It's one of those "umbrella terms" like "extreme metal" that are not a genre... just a 'term'. But somewhere along the way, someone made a mistake and added a genre box. This is not the only "genre" mistake within Wikipedia. Wiki is overflowing with a hundred of these errors. But this one is one of the more obvious ones. Thoughts?... anyone? 156.34.223.178 19:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Merging/redirecting Industrial rock and Industrial metal articles
I have started a discussion at Talk:industrial rock about merging the two articles. Ridernyc (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion: Christian soft rock

 * --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 13:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * updated --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 13:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Blackened Metalcore

 * --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * updated --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Southern hardcore

 * --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * updated --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

EXTREME METAL
Why don't we use black for ext. metal? Thundermaster TRUC 10:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Please help
There is a huge edit war going on in Gwen Stefani related articles. A user User:Gwenspride08 and 86.29.241.91 are constantly changing the genres. Me and some other editors have continuously reverted the edits on the basis that the original genres hav been sourced from the critical reception sections. But this user mentions some other genre and even provides certain sources for them.

My query is:-

There are thousands of sources on the net who think that the particular song in of some or the other genre. Are we supposed to mention all those genres. Its a huge edit war. Please help. Indianescence (talk) 17:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This is being monitored by administrators, my advice is that you do not get involved with the edit war, if you see it happening. place a messages on my talk page Seddon69 (talk) 18:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have sorted out the problem through talking to admins on IRC. The IP has been blocked for 24 hours, and the User has been put on a list, and will have an eye kept on them for 200 hours. They can't be blocked because they edited more than a day ago, and you can't block users after they have stopped vandalising. However, if they do vandalise then they will be blocked. I hope this sorts out the problem. If you have any other queries, feel free to add the tag back on, or leave a message on my talk page.


 * Thanks,  The Helpful One (Talk)(Contribs) (Review) 18:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Genre templates up for deletion
See the discussion Paul foord (talk) 08:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Requiring your attention on Hip hop articles
Please pay attention to Talk:Hip_hop_music, as well as Talk:Rapping and Talk:Hip_hop_music. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No Genre for Choral (choirs) music
On major genre of music missing from all genre discussions on Wikipedia is Choral music (choirs, purely vocal, religious and non-religious). This is a major category of music worldwide and yet doesn't appear anywhere here. Can someone add the genre: Choral to the list? Atmop (talk) 11:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)atmop

Genre Music Samples...
...that are non-free are ALL in violation of WP:NFCC because we can easily grab freely licensed stuff off Jamendo instead. Your thoughts? ViperSnake151 00:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
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Blues FAR
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Merger to WikiProject Music
I agree this should be merged into WikiProject Music. -- Klein zach  09:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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genre
Isn't that a confusing name for the template? Afterall, there are film genres and fiction genres. 70.55.203.112 (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)