Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Archive 6

Discography - what to include
I know this has probably been covered before, but I can't find it. If you have an artist who has released a couple albums on a label, and then came out with a "self-release" live album through their website, should this be included in the discography? It seems to me that the discog. should be limited to "proper" "official" releases, whatever you want to call it. Example - I don't think this should be included. Thank You --CutOffTies (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sometimes artists can have trouble with labels through no fault of their own. The music released on the artists own, without a label being involved, is still their music. If they are already determined to be notable in Wikipedia, that might be a factor, but I'm not sure if it qualifies to be included unless it appears in a source other than on their own web site. Any additional comments, any instruction in Wikipedia as to how to handle this? Doc2234 (talk) 00:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Selena FAR
nominated Selena for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. -- Beloved  Freak  20:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Nirvana FA review
nominated Nirvana (band) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sir Richardson (talk) 14:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Throughout 2010, many Wikipedia editors have worked hard to halve the number of unreferenced biographical articles (UBLPs) from more than 52,000 in January to under 26,000 now. The WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons has assisted in many ways, including helping to setup a bot, which runs daily, compiling lists of all articles that are in both Category:All unreferenced BLPs and have been tagged by a WikiProject. Note that the bot does NOT place unreferenced tags or assign articles to projects - this has been done by others previously - it just compiles a list.

Your WikiProject's list can be found at WikiProject Musicians/Unreferenced BLPs, with a more specialised list by music related sub-projects at WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/UBLPs by music. Currently you have approximately 2666 articles to be referenced. A list of all projects that are being tracked can be found at WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/WikiProjects. You can also use the WP:CatScan tool to generate lists of whatever interests you - for example, this search generates a list of the 17 articles which are both unreferenced and in Category:Russian singers or it's subcats.

Your assistance in reviewing and referencing these articles is greatly appreciated. We've done a lot, but we still have a long way to go. If you have any questions, please don't hestitate to ask either at WT:URBLP or at my talk page. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 13:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Eponymous musician categories
Could some set of standards or minimum requirements by set for when an eponymous category for a musical artist can/should be started? Based on WP:Overcategorization, for artist Foo, I don't think having Category:Foo albums and Category:Foo songs, Template:Foo, and Foo discography is enough, and I have attempted at times to clear those categories for deletion based on this policy, and with opposition, brought to CFD. If allowed to be kept, then maybe every artist who has enough releases to warrant a separate discography page should also have its own category (because if they have a discography page they would probably also have a songs category, an albums category and a template). Maybe anything more than this would be more acceptable (e.g. Category:Foo members, Category:Foo concert tours, and/or some other related article(s) not as easily categorized).

In 2007, consensus at CFD was to delete most of these categories when all there was were these pages/templates/categories for the artist. Here are a couple as examples:
 * CFD 2007 Jul 11
 * CFD 2007 Sep 19

Here are some more recent CFDs resulting in No Consensus, and thus keep, in reverse of the earlier trend.
 * CFD 2009 Mar 15
 * CFD 2010 Mar 8

A recent example of one that now exists is Category:Deborah Cox. I'd like to put it up for CFD, because I believe it falls below what minimum requirements should be, but there is obvious debate on that. So I bring it here for discussion to see if we can agree on these requirements, and put it somewhere where it can be referred to in the future. Thanks for your input. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I am in favor of allowing eponymous categories for quite a lot of musical artists. They serve as a navigational aide for those reading or writing about the artist, and make doing so simple. Per WP:LISTPURP, the redundancy of categories, lists, and templates is not only long accepted, but is necessary.

I feel the minimal requirements should be either multiple articles or multiple categories that can fit into the eponymous category. Some examples are:
 * A category on the artist's albums and a category on the artist's songs, plus a discography page.
 * A multimedia category can be added too, but this is not necessary.
 * For bands, there could be a category of the band's members, but this is not a requirement.
 * If there are too few albums or songs to make categories on these, but there are several total articles, then there could be a category.
 * One-hit wonders who have released one album and one song period and have no other related articles should NOT have a category of their own. Often, these artists are not worthy of more than an article about themseles describing the album and song.
 * Those who have recorded only on soundtracks or other multi-artist compilations should only have categories if these compilations are placed into a category pertaining to that artist (which is not usually the case).

Shaliya waya (talk) 14:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretty much every musical artist or group notable enough for Wikipedia is going to have released at least one song and at least one album. Per the criteria at Category:Albums by artist and Category:Songs by artist, every album goes into a Category:Foo albums and every song (including notable covers) goes into Category:Foo songs. If a band's members are independently notable and have articles, they get a Category:Foo members per Category:Musicians by band. So right there every musical act has two or three sub-categories. There are a couple of editors who argue very forcefully in favor of such eponymous categories and a couple of editors who argue very forcefully against them. Consensus was pretty consistent a couple of years ago that these eponymous categories were not needed if the material was restricted to these subcats along with a few more related articles. One of the editors who argued against the categories dropped out of CFD which is when the consensus started to shift. Those in favor of keeping them used to go by this supposed rule of thumb of keep anything with three sub-cats; now one of them is arguing in favor of keeping categories with only two subcats.
 * I believe that WP:OC is pretty clear on the subject when it says In general, avoid creating categories named after individual people, or groupings of people (such as families or musical groups). If there's a lot of material related to a musician (for example Paul McCartney) and it can't easily be navigated by links within the eponymous article, then fine, create a template and/or a category. But the idea that people won't be able to find a singer's songs or albums through the main article is ludicrous. I have never seen an article for a performer that doesn't include links to every song and album along with links to a separate discography article if there is one. No one's going to get lost trying to get to an album from the artist's article. Increased numbers of categories means increased time spent on category maintenance instead of something more constructive. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 00:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I do agree with you. Unfortunately, these types of categories for musicians/musical groups, even with minimal entries, are being kept in CFD, so I am following the current consensus. Only a written guideline or change in consensus, I guess, will be needed. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 07:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Dusty Springfield GA Review
A GA Review of the Dusty Springfield article for which this project has a talkpage tag has started and is on hold to allow improvements to be made. Please go to Talk:Dusty Springfield/GA1 to see fuller comments. Regards  SilkTork  *YES! 21:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The Dusty Springfield article has not met GA criteria and has been failed. I really wanted to take this all the way to GA status, but it is taking too long, and I have to move on now. There are still sourcing issues to be dealt with, and coverage of Springfield's life and career needs more attention.  SilkTork  *YES! 13:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

A discussion concerning musical infoboxes
Please see the discussion here. J04n(talk page) 22:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Metallica concert tours/archive4
Hello! Any input to the above nomination would be greatly appreciated. Nergaal (talk) 20:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Template
I wonder if someone out there could answer this for me? I help maintain the page for The Gracious Few. A while ago we had a template (Navbox Musical Artist) but it was nominated for deletion and subsequently was deleted. Now that they've released an album and two singles, can it be added again? I'm struggling to find the guidelines or eligability criteria for this. Thanks. Iangurteen (talk) 07:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The template exists at Template:Navbox musical artist Hekerui (talk) 10:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, but I know how to create the template. My query is: If I do so, will it be deleted again? Are there official notability guidelines before a band can have a template? Iangurteen (talk) 09:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Keith Law (singer and songwriter)
Could a more knowledgeable editor throw an eye over above article limited notability is asserted but it is only sourced to MySpace and have had a look but can't seem to find and reliable sources to add to the article might not be looking in the correct place. Possible COI issue with the article also. Mo ainm  ~Talk  21:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Allmusic has limited info on Velvet Fogg here.
 * There are lots of discussions re Velvet Fogg and The Williamsons here.
 * Possibly helpful fansite here.
 * Seems to be a lot of Velvet Fogg info here
 * Sorry I can't help more but I'm focusing on the bands I'm really interested in. Good luck. Iangurteen (talk) 09:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Dominic Cifarelli
Someone who claims and appears to be Dominic Cifarelli is looking for someone to expand his article. In a nutshell; he added a bunch to the article, I deleted it as unsourced, he asked me to put it back, I pointed him to WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIO and asked him to find sources for someone else to use in expanding the article, he listed them on my talkpage, and I moved them to the article's talkpage. I don't have the time/energy to look at it all at the moment but if anyone else does please feel free. J04n(talk page) 23:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Kesha
Re. Template:Kesha and the possible addition of "We R Who We R"

There seems to be a bit of edit-warring going on over this, so I've asked people to discuss it. If anyone else could pop in to the discussion, and give an opinion, that'd help. Thanks!

Please comment in Template talk:Kesha.

(personally, I've no idea who is right or wrong...nor do I care, really; I'm just trying to resolve the dispute)

Thanks,  Chzz  ►  16:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Treasure trove of concert photos from the 1970s on Flickr
Hi, the German professional photographer Heinrich Klaffs published several hundred photos from the 1970s on Flickr under a free license useful to us (cc by-sa). The Collection is simply amazing: B.B. King, Benny Goodman, Bod Dylan, Can, Credence Clearwater Revival, Chuck Berry, Count Basie, Dave Brubeck, Dire Straits, Elton John, ELP ... and that is only one third of the alphabet. I would love to see you uploading as much as possible to Commons. Have fun with them. --h-stt !?  21:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I send the Flickr account owner a mail and told him that we will use his photos for Wikipedia. I also said a big thank you to him.

 Neozoon  22:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Another collection on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/khiltscher/collections/72157618448955225/ BNutzer (talk) 23:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This collection is not allowed, the images linked above are, however. Hekerui (talk) 23:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Problem with Template:Allmusic
Please see here. BNutzer (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you identify this musician?
File:IMG 8930.JPG. Uploaded to Commons a few years ago with no description, and not in use in any article. If it doesn't look like this is anyone notable, I'm going to nominate it there for deletion. Thanks for your help, postdlf (talk) 22:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I asked an admin on the German Wikipedia to check out the deleted local edit history of the Commons uploader, and was provided with the name - I moved the image to the more suitable File:Peter Schäfer 2007.jpg. Best regards Hekerui (talk) 23:54, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Try this web site http://www.peterschaefer.info/ and drill to http://english.peterschaefer.info/index.php?page=concerts_press I think that he might be the person. There are some news clippings that he uploaded onto the concerts and press page of his site. He may have started to create a page on the English language Wikipedia, and never accomplished more than uploading his photo. I have not checked his notability. Doc2234 (talk) 00:52, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no enwiki account for the uploader - he started a page on himself on dewiki, but it was deleted. The website is not the correct one, the image is used on http://www.schaefer-music.com/ Hekerui (talk) 17:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the detective work! postdlf (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh...and could you provide a link to the de. deletion discussion you found? postdlf (talk) 21:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain he was speedied, judging from the claims to notability on the website. To be sure I'd have to ask though, since I'm not an admin and therefore I can't look into deleted contributions. Hekerui (talk) 23:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Under what title? It would at least show up in the logs as having been deleted. postdlf (talk) 03:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There you go: Peter Schäfer - Musiker Hekerui (talk) 09:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 21:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Ian Kenny
Ian Kenny is an Australian vocalist, who fronts two successful Australian rock bands: Karnivool and Birds of Tokyo. Do you think he is notable enough to merit his own article? CR4ZE (talk) 09:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If he meets the criteria outlined in Notability (music), then yes. Otherwise, no. Does that answer your question? – Ib Leo  (talk) 12:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's pretty much what I'd say too. Keep in mind, there'd have to be enough information on him that doesn't just fall under Birds of Tokyo or Karnivool, or it would probably just get deleted or merged. Sergecross73   msg me  13:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * He meets criterion 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8 for notability. I don't know how I'd go about finding sources, however. CR4ZE (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Requesting for assistance - Camila
Hello WikiProject Musicians! I am magiciandude of the Latin music task force, and I would like assistance with articles related to Mexican rock/pop band, Camila. Me and Jaespinoza have decided to work on these articles and would appreciate someone guiding us through. If this isn't the place to ask, do redirect where to ask. Thank you. Magiciandude (talk) 17:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Norman Bailey (musician)
Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and might be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help find one or two good references. While you are at it, can you check on this gentleman's Wp:Notability? Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:58, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Meghdad Mostafaei .. hmm
The article Meghdad Mostafaei by someone with the same username. self promoting? Maybe someone should propose deletion. RAIN..the..ONE  HOTLINE 00:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's now at AfD, so someone had the same idea as you. - JuneGloom   Schmooze  00:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't ask how I cam across it but thought it best to leave it to the music editors. =) RAIN..the..ONE  HOTLINE 01:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, okay. - JuneGloom   Schmooze  01:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Outside opinions needed at Talk:Gustavo Cerati
An edit war is developing over the proper use of the infobox in the Gustavo Cerati article. It would be helpful to get some outside opinions at Talk:Gustavo Cerati.

Thanks! -- A. B. (talk • contribs) 01:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I added my thoughts on that article's talk page. Doc2234 (talk) 13:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Usage of Fergie
FYI, there is a discussion on the usage of the pagename "Fergie", see Talk:Fergie (singer). 76.66.194.212 (talk) 05:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for new infobox: POSTHUMOUS ALBUM
There has been some talk that this project should clearly see and be involved in - it has led to a proposal of sorts for a new category called "POSTHUMOUS" for the Template:Infobox album ... Pls see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music.Moxy (talk) 20:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Perplexed
As to why anyone in their right mind would want to include Pipe Bands into the realm of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musicians#Who_to_add - and as I am in process of trying to resurrect the Pipe Band project - am finding the issues of having an offshoot of the biography project - too large as it is - potentially quite problematic - am wondering if there any active members of this project who might remember why this occurred and as to whether it is still really necessary to really consider it a viable practice? Pipe Bands change their membership much more regularly than other 'bands' and to have a biography tag seems a superflous activity - would appreciate a response if possible - if anyone is up with this part of this project - cheers Satu Suro 04:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Kenny Flood


The article Kenny Flood has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
 * unable to find any independent sources indicating this person is still active or notable

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Copyvio at Richard Dickins
The article for Richard Dickins has been flagged with Copyvio. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Mystery Meat


The article The Mystery Meat has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
 * A search for references ("The Mystery Meat" Profiles Dick Leighninger) found no published (gBooks) sources for the band, Appears to fail WP:N and WP:V, the closest thing to a claim of notability is the unreferenced claim for an original vinyl with a value of $6,000

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GA reassessment of Black Tide
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article following its nomination for reassessment. You are being notified as your project banner is on the talk page. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Black Tide/GA1. As the article is in very poor shape, I have de-listed it. Please renominate at WP:GAN when it meets the good article criteria. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 05:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

M.I.A.

 * I have recently passed "M.I.A. (artist)" as a Good Article.


 * The article was previously partially reviewed by Atlantictire. However there were major differences of opinion between Atlantictire and the main editor, Lifebonzza. Lifebonzza asked Atlantictire to fail the article in order to work with a different reviewer.


 * After I passed the article, I asked Atlantictire if he had any further comments. Atlantictire's response indicates ongoing concerns.


 * I am bringing the matter to your WikiProject's attention in the hope of reaching a consensus view. Thanks. Axl  ¤  [Talk]  10:48, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Axl. I'm happy with the article finally passing GA status, and per your summary of the GA review I'm happy that the article meets all GA criteria, including that it is non-biased, detailed and well cited. If you feel the article meets all criteria, there is no reason to ask for comment from a previous reviewer. Regarding the previous GA review for the M.I.A. article, it was established the previous reviewer User:Atlantictire did not display a willingness to stick to wikipedia policy in general, nor did it appear that User:Atlantictire was sufficiently aware of wikipedia policies or the GA process. No more clearly is this demonstrated than in his expressed desire in a response to your query to see users banned from editing articles because Atlantictire's vision for the article did not come to fruition, making me seriously question and concerned at his ability to edit with good faith, or indeed the motivations behind his use of wikipedia. This is understandable given User:Atlantictire's little experience on wikipedia although one cannot ignore the possiblilty of agenda driven editing by this reviewer which was also raised in that review. It was agreed with another editor during that review that certain demands and insistences that would violate policy by this user were not conducive to a balanced article or editor for that matter. The GA review Talk:My Chick Bad/GA1 that User:Atlantictire reviewed in parallel was also asked to be failed on similar grounds by the nominator there, although this was even more overtly due to Atlantictire's inexperience. This article was soon passed by the next reviewer for that article. I still hope that with experience, User:Atlantictire will become a more balanced editor and skilled enough to review. It was a pleasure reviewing this article with you Axl, and I look forward to contributing to many more wikipedia good articles in the future! Lifebonzza (talk) 14:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me start by saying that I have no personal feelings or opinions about M.I.A. or her music. It's just that when I began cursorily fact checking the article it immediately became clear that M.I.A. is a very polarizing figure and that the Wikipedia article had been written largely as a refutation of M.I.A.'s critics. Since it seems as though Lifebonzza is an ardent M.I.A. fan and her primary objective in editing the article is to favorably influence the public perception of the artist, it was impossible to convince her to add information that would accurately reflect criticism of or controversy involving M.I.A.
 * If anything, I was being too strict about the Wikipedia criteria for GA--namely that the article be objective. I was merely following the rubric for GA that I'd created from the Wikipedia criteria. This rubric is on my user page.
 * Lifebonzza has been working on the M.I.A. article for several years now, and she has a significant history of bullying other editors who attempt to contribute to the page. I am concerned that awarding the article GA status will incite her to be even less open to contributions.--Atlantictire (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is now a GA thanks to the effort of all editors who have contributed, covering praise and criticism in due fashion, and users like Atlantictire should now rightly feel more pressure to refrain from introducing any of their invested biases into the article, as should any other user. Should edits continue to be made (by Atlantictire or anyone else) that are discredited on wiki talk pages or violate policy, they will be boldly and swiftly reverted without discussion. Given Atlantictire's history of contributing on this article with negative bias and policy violation while removing reliably sourced information that is positive, it remains to be seen what the future holds. However, should a user continue to violate policy, (through personal attacks, lack of good faith, article bias etc.,) referring this user to a committee isn't too much of a stretch. The only thing that matters is that policy is stuck to, which the article in its current form has achieved. Happy editing! Lifebonzza (talk) 18:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
Apologies for the late notification, but I did not realise that I should notify relevant Wikiprojects. I have nominated the following two articles for deletion primarily because of concerns of WP:BLP1E: Your participation in determining consensus would be welcome. --RexxS (talk) 03:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Naima Adedapo
 * Articles for deletion/Thia Megia (3rd nomination)

Proposed deletion of Kalle Sundström


The article Kalle Sundström has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Previously a long-term unreferenced biography of a living person. No evidence found to suggest that this subject meets either the general notability guidelines or the  notability guidelines for musicians. A previous article on this subject appears to have been tagged for speedy deletion on the grounds of non-notability (going by this page's creator's talk page).

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Thomas Beecham peer review
Thomas Beecham is having a peer review here. Comments are very much appreciated. Thanks, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 13:59, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

'Spouse' field
I wonder why there is no option whatsoever for musicians to add a name of their spouse in musicians' infoboxes... Don't they get married, do they? ,-) Can anybody who knows how to create it to update it, plz? Thanks heaps Uzerakount (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This has been proposed and rejected many times at Template talk:Infobox musical artist. The basic reason is that this is a specialized infobox for musicians, so it restricts itself to fields that are pertinent to a person's career as a musician. The large majority of musicians' spouses have little or nothing to do with their musical career. It'd be like putting a baseball player's spouse on the back of a baseball card. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:48, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for your time, I appreciate this. However, I can't really agree with the explanation. Otherwise, it should apply for others artists such as actors themselves. Never mind, though and thanks heaps again. Uzerakount (talk) 15:50, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Files for deletion/2011 April 6
All opinions welcome. Thank you. walk victor falktalk 06:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE issue at Chris Brown (American singer)
Opinions are needed on this matter. Earlier, I reverted to the previous formatting, per my reasoning at Talk:Chris Brown (American singer). Splitting up the sections to where his domestic violence case is highlighted is a sure case of WP:UNDUE. There is no valid reason to highlight the section by making it its own section and separating it from his career efforts at that time, especially since it (the domestic violence case) affected those efforts. It makes more sense to keep all that information there in one place. This is also how biographies of living people are typically done -- avoiding Criticism or Controversy sections by themselves. They especially follow chronological order. If the Michael Jackson article (which is featured) can combine controversy with career happenings without any problems, then I do not see why this article cannot as well. Flyer22 (talk) 05:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Nadia Ali
Hi, I have been working on the article for Nadia Ali for the past few months including making some updates. It hasn't been assessed since then on the quality scale. Would someone be able to help me out and see if it has improved or suggest any improvements I could make to the article? Thanks! Hassan514 (talk) 10:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Repled on the Nadia Ali talk page, cheers. doom gaze   (talk)  12:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Jasmine (American singer)
There is a dispute regarding the name of this artist, and I think it would be helpful if some other editors could comment; please see Talk:Jasmine (American_singer). Many thanks,  Chzz  ► 21:08, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

"Carpenters"
The usage of Carpenters is under discussion, see Talk:The Carpenters. 64.229.100.153 (talk) 04:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Willie Nelson/GA2
Willie Nelson is going through a GAN, and is on hold for an initial seven days to allow issues, mainly prose, to be addressed. Help is requested and welcome.  SilkTork  *Tea time 17:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Beatles navbox discussion
Please be aware of the discussion at Talk:The_Beatles.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

TfD of Template:Elliott Smith Vertical
I have nominated Elliott Smith Vertical, a non-standard navbox, for deletion. Interested editors are invited to comment at Templates for discussion. --IllaZilla (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Jascha Heifetz update
There's a lot of current interest in Jascha Heifetz this year, due to three things that are happening in 2011: Russellbyrne (talk) 23:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The new 103 CD collection from Sony/BMG, which has won the Guiness World Record for largest CD box set by a classical musician.
 * The premiere of Jascha Heifetz: God's Fiddler, a film by Peter Rosen, that was shown at the Colburn School, and will air on PBS and in Europe this year.
 * John Maltese and John Anthony Maltese are publishing a book on Heifetz in late 2011.
 * I've left some suggestions and made a few tiny changes noted here.

Against Speedy Deletion of Rocca (Colombian rapper)
Please go to the article and vote to decide if the article should be kept or not. --Damián del Valle (talk) 00:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Informing people that there is a discussion is one thing, but asking them to vote a certain way is WP:CANVASSing and can get you blocked. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I wasn't aware of that rule. I've changed my sentence. --Damián del Valle (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs - the final surge
Since early in 2010, many editors have assisted in the referencing or removal of over 90% of the Unreferenced Biographies of Living People, bringing the total down from over 50,000 to the current  4,861 (as of 15:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)). We are now asking for your help in finishing this task. There are two main projects which are devoted to removing UBLPs from en.Wikipedia:
 * WP:URBLPR is focusing on clearing out the backlog based on the month in which each article was tagged as being unreferenced. The current task is Category:Unreferenced BLPs from September 2009, and it is the last month remaining from 2009.
 * WP:URBLP has set up a large number of topic based lists, which are updated each day by a WP:BOT. Your project's list is located at WikiProject Musicians/Unreferenced BLPs and currently contains 981 articles.
 * You can also reference a or make your own lists using one of the catscan tools, such as this search for |9&doit=1 Scottish musicians.

All you have to do is pick your articles and then add suitable references from reliable sources and remove the BLP unsourced template. There is no need to log your changes, register or remove the articles from the list. If you need any help, or have any comments, please ask at WP:URBLPR or WT:URBLP. Thanks for any help you can provide. The-Pope (talk) 15:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing for Abdul Majid Abdullah
Could someone find some reliable, independent sources for this article. I looked for them for the English-language name, but didn't find any about this person - only about other people with the same name (I tell a lie, I found a minor mention along the lines of "Singers include Abdul MNajid Adbullah who is famous and xyz who ..."). However, I do not read Arabic, so I cannot tell if any of the hits on GNews Archive, etc, are about this person, rather than another person with the same name.



I am leaving a message about this on relevant WikiProjects, but if no sources are found, I will take this article to Articles for deletion in a week - in the meantime, I have Proposed it for deletion  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Jessica Lurie
This article is tagged as included in this project. It is currently under discussion for deletion. Articles_for_deletion/Jessica_Lurie -  Steve3849 talk  15:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Orange Caramel (spinoff subgroup of After School band)
There is a dispute in progress over whether Orange caramel — a spinoff group from After School (band) — does or does not merit its own separate article. Additional input on this question would probably be more productive than the "yes it is" — "no it isn't" revert war currently brewing. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 14:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Again, Rocca (Colombian rapper) deletion.
Sorry to bother you again with the same subject, but I've seen the nomination for Rocca (Colombian rapper) to be deleted. Please go to Articles for deletion/Rocca (Colombian rapper) if you have anything to say about if the article should be kept or deleted. Thank you. --Damián del Valle (talk) 14:35, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

FOS
The Flock of Seagulls article is in dire need of an image. Considering that is the primary reason for the band's notoriety, it would be much appreciated if an editor proficient with acquiring fair-use images could add one. I am sure there is one out there! Thanks!Jimsteele9999 (talk) 00:32, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Selena discussion
Please join in the discussion on the talk page to help expand the article to its fullest potential. AJona1992 (talk) 19:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

WPBiography
Comments appreciated.Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. --Traveler100 (talk) 04:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

RfC at Template:Infobox musical artist
There has been another request to add a "spouse" field to Infobox musical artist. This time an RfC has been called. Interested editors are invited to voice their opinions at Template talk:Infobox musical artist. A number of previous discussions on the matter are linked to early on. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation help
Sharks (band) and Sharks (rock band). Both British rock bands, one active 1972–74 (with some activity in the early '90s), the other active 2007–present. Not sure of the best way to disambiguate between the two, but the current titles aren't ideal. Suggestions? --IllaZilla (talk) 23:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I would follow what people have been doing with with person names for a while (esp. British footballers), but use 'formed' instead of 'born'. So Sharks (band formed 1972) and Sharks (band formed 2007).  I'm not sure about the remaining Sharks (band) and Sharks (rock band) redirects.  Either both should redirect to Shark (disambiguation), or Sharks (rock band) should redirect to Sharks (band), which should be its own disambiguation page. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 19:52, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and done this, and cleaned up the WP:WLHs of the redirects. Sharks (band) and Sharks (rock band) now both redirect to Shark (disambiguation). &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 16:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fantastic. Thank you. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Brave volunteer needed
Hi

Cna someone please take a look at Sayaka Minami, the discography is in a terrible state. I guess it is rescuable? Chaosdruid (talk) 11:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with the subject, but I would guess that whatever material is salvageable is already presented in BeForU discography. I'm going to go ahead and remove it from the Sayaka Minami article. 17:29, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Color and style of Template:Avril Lavigne.
Voice you opinion in the issue here. I Help, When I Can.[12] 23:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Kanye West proposal
Hello. I'm proposing a WikiProject Kanye West at WikiProject Council/Proposals/Kanye West. Would you mind taking the time to vote there? Put your name in the Support section if you think he deserves one.

kanYeWest1123 (talk) 16:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

GAR for The Corrs
An article that falls within this project, The Corrs has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Reward board
Just posting this for anyone who may be interested in it. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 16:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Pageview stats
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Musicians to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at WikiProject Musicians/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 21:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Need books
hello,

if someone has any books about Otis Redding, please ping on my talk page. Thanks.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 10:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Courtney Love/GA1
Courtney Love has been going through a lengthy Good Article review, and is now close to being listed. There now needs to be a bit of tidying up done - trimming some excessive detail, and a bit of copy-editing, as well as building up the lead a bit more. This is one of the top viewed articles on Wikipedia and is on an important yet complex subject. Any assistance, even if only to proof read one of the sections, would be much appreciated.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  17:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Bon Jovi proposal
I have proposed the creation of a WikiProject Bon Jovi here. As Bon Jovi is a band and falls under the scope of this project, I figured I would alert this project. If you would like to join or give input, please comment there. Thanks!  Toa   Nidhiki  05  19:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Navbox musician has been challenged
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Navigation templates where has challenged the pactice of displaying non-linked articles or non-notable entries for that matter in navboxes as part of a discography. He thinks that such a practice is not at all allowed per Wikipedia's rules on navigation templates which are only meant to display links to existing articles and should not display "gratuitous information on navboxes without any connective purpose". I have therefore iniated a basic discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates to have this debated on an official level. De728631 (talk) 14:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Present Elvis to the world
Elvis Presley is a vital 1000 article that is a featured article and has not been presented as todays featured article on the main page. I think it should be. When nominated he will be unstoppable (as always). Anybody wants to tidy him up for the event? --Ettrig (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Bio template
Template:Infobox musical artist has some inherent problems in the way it arranges information about bands. I like the infobox used by the German Wikipedia. Check: []. Aditya (talk • contribs) 13:17, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

When in Rome (band)
Hi there. There is a continuing edit-war between IPs at When in Rome (band). Unfortunately, I am not an experienced content editor to fix those problems. Can someone from this WikiProject take a look? I have semi'd and reverted to the last stable version per WP:PP to allow easier editing. Regards  So Why  22:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Discography clarification
A discussion has started at Talk:Michael W. Smith regarding which albums should be included in an artist's discography section when a separate discography article exists. I'm going on the basis that only main releases (usually studio albums excluding EPs, live, and special releases) should be included but the other editor is holding on to the idea that a "basic summary of the musician's work" means only the album and year of each work should be included regardless of the type. Could we please have a few editors comment. We may want to clarify the guideline to clarify this phrase as well. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That problem seems to be solved. Could we please clarify the guideline so that it's clear which albums should be included and which should be excluded? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly there are some cases where it makes sense to include a live album (e.g. Live at Leeds) or a compilation (e.g. Singles Going Steady). Other times not as much.  Sometimes studio albums are probably of minimal significance and don't need to be mentioned (e.g. Cut the Crap). Why must there be a hard and fast rule?  Why not look at what reliable sources agree are the most important albums for each artist? john k (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Tchaikovsky Featured Article Review proposal
See here - comments welcome.--Smerus (talk) 21:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Lines Across Maps
Could anyone let me know whether Lines Across Maps meets the notability standards at WP:BAND? I guess have been played on BBC Wales is a claim of notability, but their music is self-released. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 03:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Releases seem to include only one EP and a single. I see no evidence of national or international tours, which I would expect with a notable band. I see no news articles or reviews in major magazines. To me, they look like they're just getting started, and aren't yet notable. Pkeets (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking at this new article. I suggest you start a deletion discussion so this can be sorted out. Best regards Hekerui (talk) 15:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Marianella Machado
This article is under discussion for deletion. Machado is a composer and Music Encyclopedia subject. To comment on the AfD, see Articles for deletion/Marianella Machado. Pkeets (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Impending FAR notice; help requested
A Featured Article that falls under the scope of this WikiProject has been found to have significant issues with verification failure and plagiarism: Attention from any interested editors would be welcome. Due to the high rate of issues found so far, every single reference is going to need to be checked and fixed, where problems are found. Help from the primary editor (User:Legolas2186) doesn't seem to be forthcoming, since he disappeared when issues were raised. I'm hoping someone here has access to Taraborrelli and other book sources used, and can help us fix this.
 * Madonna (entertainer) – see here for a partial list of issues.

The Featured Article Review process may be started soon this. If no-one is able to help, it will likely lose FA status. -- Laser brain  (talk)  14:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

New article on music composer François-Eudes Chanfrault
I've created this new article. If you've got additional input for secondary sources, please feel free to suggest them at the article's talk page, I'd really appreciate it. :) Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 06:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * François-Eudes Chanfrault

Naming an article
I see nothing about naming an article. Should the artist's name be the article's name since they've had other musical projects? Or should the article be named by the project they're most known for? Devin Davis  ( talk )  16:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Could you tell us who you're referring to? That would help. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes sir. I'm wanting to move Space Cowboy (musician) (currently a poor article to look at) to Nicolas Dresti due to the fact that he has worked under different stage names in his carrier but Space Cowboy is the stage name that he's most known by. Devin Davis   ( talk )  22:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Levon Helm
If anyone is interested, now would probably be a good time to work on the Levon Helm article, as a note on his personal website notes that he is in the final stages of cancer. There will probably be a good deal of news about him now and in the coming weeks, and it would be cool if the article was in great shape to support the extra traffic! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 01:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Ambrogio Crotti
Hi. I´m looking for someone to help me to check info in this article. It says this man produced Yes Sir, I Can Boogie of Baccara, a hit of 1977? Picture looks similar to one in Facebook, and references don't support many of things saying in biography. Can someone check this and prove is not a hoax? Was created for same user in es an enWP and it´s the same who upload picture. Thanks. --Andreateletrabajo (talk) 16:38, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Ivan Zagni - help with AfD
There is an AfD on an article about Ivan Zagni who is a composer and guitarist (mainly active in the 1980's and 1990's). Can people from this project who are knowledgable in the field take a look and comment. A quick google search pulls up a lot of references to him, but nothing that appears to be reliable sources. Some seem to suggest he could be notable. NealeFamily (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Green Day GA nom
has nominated Green Day for GA. Yasht101 plans to retire from Wikipedia in a couple of days, so anyone willing to put their eyes on and participate in the GAR would be appreciated. --IllaZilla (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Edouard Nanny → Édouard Nanny page move
This has been at "'Edouard Nanny'" since 2004 but a page move is now in progress. I did a cursory check and saw English sources of sheet music and such with no diacritics and thought the music projects might know best where it should go in this English wikipedia. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move at Gojira
There is a move discussion taking place here, and the input of any and all interested editors would be greatly appreciated. Evanh2008 (talk 09:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Amsterdam Klezmer Band
This page was deleted in 2007. They are still around, and fall under the scope of this project. Was wondering if any more in-the-know wikipedians were up for fixing this? 60.226.139.72 (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Use of the word "current" in personnel sections
I have engaged in a dispute with another editor over the use of the word "current" (as in current members) in personnel sections at Talk:Deftones/Archive 2. Because the outcome of this discussion has implications for all band articles, I thought it would be best to include members of this Wikiproject in the discussion. Your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Surely someone on Wikipedia has an opinion about this... Fezmar9 (talk) 17:23, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * the word should be avoided IMO -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 15:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Justin Bieber listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Жастин Бибер and Джастин Бибер. Since you had some involvement with the Justin Bieber redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 76.65.128.252 (talk) 04:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Demi Lovato listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Деми Ловато, ديمي لوفاتو, دمی لواتو, Деметриа Девонн Ловато, Деметрия Девонн Ловато. Since you had some involvement with the Demi Lovato redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 10:01, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Selena Gomez listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Selena Gomesa, Selena Gomezová, Селена Мари Гомес, Селена Мари Гомез, سلنا ماری گومز, Гомез, Селена, Гомес, Селена, সেলেনা গোমেজ, សាលីណា កូមាស់, 셀레나 고메즈, سيلينا غوميز. Since you had some involvement with the Selena Gomez redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 10:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Elimination of Latsabidze Giorgi biography in French Wikipedia
Hello my name is Adolfo, I have 39 years and I studied piano for 30 years, I'm writing from Spain. My teacher was from Georgia and he spoke of his country's best musician Latsabidze Giorgi, I study their records and know well their work and career. First I want to congratulate you for your good article on Latsabidze in the English Wikipedia. I'm writing because I need your help because Latsabidze's biography has been removed from the French Wikipedia, they have told many lies about Latsabidze, they say they have never won the international competition Rubeinstein of Paris, who has never received the scholarship Carol Hogel, who has never recorded an album etc .... As you can see here:http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Giorgi_Latsabidze/Suppression I wrote to administrators to demonstrate the lies they tell: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT  (August 12) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Wikinade (August 15) After demonstrating that they lie, I have requested that the biography is restored in the French Wikipedia as you can see here:http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Demande_de_restauration_de_page#Giorgi_Latsabidze (August 17) They've given the reasons as you can see and I have proven to be lies. I need your help and the help of the English Wikipedia, I need people to write to show their disagreement with the decision because only tell lies about Giorgi Latsabidze. I can not and I just need people to agree with me that it is written in the French Wikipedia showing their disagreement. Thank you very much for your attention. --Carlitosbull (talk) 20:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Battles
The usage of is up for discussion, please see Talk:Battles (band) -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Requests for comment at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles
You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalizing the definite article when mentioning the band's name in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. Tvoz / talk 23:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Vocal range
It's my goal to help resolve a disagreement underlying a recent WP:ANI posting.

Is there an existing consensus / practice on the inclusion of Vocal range in a solo singer's biography? Specifically, for which types of singers should it be included, and where should it be included? Article text, lede, infobox? Nobody Ent 19:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * see this. J04n(talk page) 00:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The "voice type" field was removed from Infobox musical artist in October 2009 following a discussion which J04n's link is referring to. There's more background to the question in an earlier discussion. The gist of this is that vocal range and voice type are not the same thing. Vocal range (the span of notes a singer can sing) is only one determinant of voice type, which is only systematically applied to opera and classically trained voices. Even in choral singing, only 4 types are assigned SATB (soprano, alto, tenor, and bass). People often confuse the two and they often confuse the ability to make a very low/very high note for effect with the ability to sing consistently and competently the music specifically composed for that vocal range. For classical and operatic singers, their voice type determines the roles they will sing and is a primary method of categorization, for non-classical singers, it is not a defining characteristic. As I wrote in List of tenors in non-classical music, "In non-classical music, singers are primarily defined by their genre and their gender and not by their vocal range. When the terms soprano, mezzo-soprano, contralto, tenor, baritone, and bass are used as descriptors of non-classical voices, they are applied more loosely than they would be to those of classical singers and generally refer only to the singer's perceived vocal range." (See article for the references.) In my view, if a non-classical singer's voice is widely discussed in terms of its range, it may be suitable to add it to the article, provided that it is impeccably referenced. Only in the rarest of cases should it be used in the lede as well. To do so is unencyclopedic. To assign specifically operatic voice types such as "heldentenor", "coloratura soprano" "spinto soprano", etc. to articles about non-operatic singers is simply wrong and a disservice to the reader. You will never find reliable sources using classifications like that for non-operatic singers. To illustrate the difference between the encyclopedic use of voice type for opera singers and singers in other genres, just look at biographical dictionaries and encyclopedias. For example, you can find instances in the popular press where Judy Garland's voice has been described as a contralto. Look her up in The Riverside Dictionary of Biography (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2004)—not a word about it . But look up Marian Anderson—the first thing it says is "US contralto" . Similarly, you can find references in the press refering to Bruce Springsteen's baritone. Look him up—not a word. Look up Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau—the first thing it says is "German baritone". Is there a general consensus anywhere about adding the vocal range to non-classical singer articles and how to do it? I don't think so, apart from the consensus that it is not appropriate for their infoboxes. I suspect that this will just have to be discussed at individual singer articles when there is some kind of dispute there. However, this discussion might tease out some general opinions and arguments that could be used in such discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 10:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A few thoughts regarding "voice type" or vocal range for non-classical (pop/rock/etc) singers...
 * 1) It should only be mentioned if there is a reliable source and the singer is widely known for a specific vocal range - I could imagine Michael Ball perhaps, but not John Lydon
 * 2) It should almost certainly not be in the lede - we should never say, eg, "X is a soprano" for a pop singer - unless there are exceptional circumstances
 * 3) We should never use opera-specific terms for non-opera singers
 * -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * What triggered the ANI discussion was when it was discovered that an editor, Tribal44, has been adding vocal types and/or vocal ranges into a large number of non-classical/non-opera singer articles as a personal project. As her user page reveals, "I might as well create this page, and the reason why I add vocal ranges onto pages. I was a part-time vocal teacher for 4 years. That is why I post the ranges of the singers, with reliable sources of course. I don't do it to be annoying".
 * Although I truly understand and appreciate her passion, I feel it is clearly inappropriate to do this. In many of the articles, the vocal type or vocal range was not only included in the article, but in the lede of the article. In a number of cases, a singer's style (pop, rock, R&B, etc.) was even removed and replaced with their vocal type (soprano, mezzo-soprano, baritone etc.). Further, many of the sources clearly fail the reliability test.
 * I am strongly opposed to including voice types and especially vocal ranges in the articles of non-classical/non-opera singers (unless the singer is prominently known for having a particular voice type or vocal range and it is very reliably sourced). They most certainly should never be in the lede of an article.
 * For context, I have listed below some of the many articles of non-classical/non-opera singers in which the vocal type or vocal range has been inserted into the lede and/or body. There are hundreds more, so this is a very widespread issue. Each listing indicates if the vocal type/range is in the article's lede or body. Also, please note that the vocal type for each of these singers is included in the Categories box at the bottom of each of these articles.
 * Cher (lede): “She has a deep contralto vocal range that spans 3 octaves & 3 notes, from a baritone C3 up to her head voice F6, which is above soprano C.”
 * Rihanna (body): “Rihanna possesses a mezzo-soprano vocal range, that spans nearly three octaves. (C#3-B5)["Music Review: Rihanna A Girl Like Me". The Hair Style.][Viros, Alexandre. "Casser les voix". Vox Pop. No. 11. September–October 2009. p. 141.]”
 * Fiona Apple (lede): “Apple's vocal range is contralto. ”
 * Ville Valo (lede): “Valo has a baritone vocal range, and has maintained an octave range around 4 or 5, in full voice, from F1 to F5”
 * Judy Garland (lede): “Described by Fred Astaire as "the greatest entertainer who ever lived" and renowned for her contralto voice, ”
 * Tori Amos (lede): “She is a classically trained musician and possesses a mezzo-soprano vocal range. ”
 * Katy Perry (body): “Perry has a contralto vocal range.”
 * Marlene Dietrich (body): “Bacharach's arrangements helped to disguise Dietrich's limited vocal range – she was a contralto ”
 * Susan Boyle (lede): “Global interest in Boyle was triggered by the contrast between her powerful mezzo-soprano voice and her plain appearance on stage.”
 * Jennifer Hudson (lede): “Her vocal range is mezzo-soprano.”
 * Amy Winehouse (lede/opening sentence): “Amy Jade Winehouse (14 September 1983 – 23 July 2011) was an English singer and songwriter known for her deep contralto vocals and her eclectic mix of musical genres including R&B, soul and jazz.”
 * Lady Gaga (body): “Vocally, Gaga possesses the range of a contralto and exhibits "overwhelming expression, instinctive vocal phrasing, '80s rock reminiscent chest belts and animalistic vocal ticks" while being able to move through 2.7 octaves.”
 * Sara Bareilles (body): “Bareilles's vocal range registers from contralto to mezzo-soprano, and is often compared to artists such as Regina Spektor, Fiona Apple, Billy Joel, due to her vocal ability and incorporation of piano in her music.”
 * Lisa Gerrard (body): “Gerrard possesses the vocal range of a contralto, spanning from E3-F5. Her voice has been described as rich, deep, dark, mournful and unique.  She also has the ability to extend upwards into the dramatic mezzo-soprano range, examples of such would be on the songs The Host of Seraphim, Elegy,  Space Weaver, Come This Way and One Perfect Sunrise.    Gerrard however performs more predominantly in the dramatic contralto range in her other songs, Sanvean, Sacrifice, Largo and Not Yet.    ”
 * Anne Nurmi (lede): “Anne is a contralto singer. ”
 * Tarja Turunen (lede): “She is a full lyric soprano and has a vocal range of three octaves. ”
 * Michael McDonald (singer) (lede): “McDonald is known for a soulful baritone singing style and a multi-octave range.”
 * Anita Mui (lede,infobox): “She was famed for her outrageous costumes and high-power performances in combination with contralto vocals, which are rare in female artists.”
 * Jane Froman (body): “Jane Froman was known for her beautiful contralto vocals. ”
 * Sharon den Adel (lede): “She sings in a mezzo-soprano range, though she has a light and lyric vocal quality for that range.”
 * Whitney Houston (body): “Houston was a mezzo-soprano,”. “ Gill said that there "are few, if any, Jackson imitators on today's TV talent shows, but every other contestant is a Whitney wannabe, desperately attempting to emulate that wondrous combination of vocal effects – the flowing melisma, the soaring mezzo-soprano confidence, the tremulous fluttering that carried the ends of lines into realms of higher yearning".[www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/whitney-houston-the-greatest-voice-of-her-generation-6988653.html]”
 * LeAnn Rimes (body): “Since her debut in 1996, Rimes' soprano voice and vocal style have often been compared to and identified with Patsy Cline.” “Rimes also has a vocal range that goes from D3 to Eb6 which is just a little over three octaves. ”
 * Britney Spears (body): “Spears possesses a soprano vocal range”
 * Pat Benatar (lede): “She is a mezzo-soprano.” (no sources)
 * Alicia Keys (body): “Keys has a vocal range of a contralto, which spans three octaves. She can sing from B flat over an octave below middle C (B♭2) to B below soprano C (B5).”
 * Beyoncé Knowles (body): “Knowles possesses a mezzo-soprano vocal range that spans more than three octaves.”
 * Enya (body): “Enya's vocal range is mezzo-soprano. In "Cursum Perficio" of the album Watermark, Enya reaches a C an octave below middle C. Later in the piece, she sings a high A-flat above the treble clef.”
 * Grace Slick (lede): “Slick was an important figure in the 1960s psychedelic rock movement, known for her witty lyrics and powerful contralto vocals.” (no sources)
 * These are just a few of the articles in which the voice type and/or vocal range were removed: Peggy Lee, Pink, Avril Lavigne, Joss Stone, Faith Hill, Annie Lennox, Adele, Mýa, Rick Astley. There are many, many more.
 * --76.189.121.57 (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: I had added Reflist above to quickly see the contents of the citations used in the articles listed above. Removed now. But a preminary look shows they abound in some really appalling sources: blogs, user-generated reviews, wikipedia mirrors, youtube videos etc. and at least 1 Failed verification. Voceditenore (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * -Voceditenore (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Many of the sources are clearly not reliable. But the overriding question is whether the content should even be in the articles. --76.189.121.57 (talk) 18:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ran across this after seeing some odd additions to scandinavian metal band members profiles. Then saw it was across a whole swathe of inappropriate artists. I started taking a look this morning but stopped once I picked up there was a discussion here - vocal range is irrelevant to pretty much all singers apart from opera/classical. But beyond that, a lot of them are really poorly sourced additions. Blogs, one-off mentions by music columnists to their 'contralto' voice etc. Its not something that is remotely relevant to a pop singer. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree. Re 76.189.121.57's question... I don't think it's possible to make a blanket statement that some mention of the singer's vocal range/voice type is never appropriate. Amy Winehouse's contralto has been quite widely noted, but it is important that it be supported by really good quality sources. Where there is very little mention of a singer's voice type, it should definitely not be presented as a "fact" in Wikipedia's voice as is the case in virtually all of the above examples. Taking Tori Amos as an example, better to say something like: Rolling Stone once described her voice as "an attention-grabbing mezzo-soprano." Not: She possesses a mezzo-soprano vocal range. A lot of the stuff written in reviews of non-classical singers, even in reputable sources like Rolling Stone or the New York Times refers primarily to the critic's one-off personal (and not necessarily accurate) perception. If the source is the singer herself, then she should be quoted exactly rather than 'interpreting' or extrapolating from her comments. Generally speaking though, the harder you have search for a good quality independent reference for these kinds of statements, and the more you have to resort to the singer answering questions from her fans on her blog, the less likely her particular voice type is of any real relevance at all.Voceditenore (talk) 12:01, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A further point which I did leave in an edit summary on one of the ones I looked at - a regular music columnist should be able to accurately tell the difference between most vocal ranges. I have no problem with this, but from the sources they usually say 'so and so's soprano singing' - this is not a statement of the singers range, this is a statement that they were singing at that time and place within a range. Not that it comprises the singers entire range. There is a reason this is important for opera/classical singers. I dont have excessively strong feelings on this, (to the extent of edit-warring about it) but I was quite prepared to go through any/all artists removing the poorly sourced additions outright. I am usually quite lenient with sourcing, but some of them were just dire. Coupled with the complete irrelevance to a swedish death metal vocalist... I am going to go by whatever consensus appears here. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:50, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Voceditenore, just to clarify... I never said, nor do I believe, that mentioning a singer's vocal range/voice type is never appropriate. What I said was, "I am strongly opposed to including voice types and especially vocal ranges in the articles of non-classical/non-opera singers (unless the singer is prominently known for having a particular voice type or vocal range and it is very reliably sourced)." If I did say that somewhere else, I apologize for any misunderstanding. Thanks. --76.189.121.57 (talk) 18:49, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism in Progress
Just a heads up: For quite some time there has been vandalism from Italian IPs messing with municipalities/towns ect declaring all sorts of fake mergers. The MO seems to have shifted and it now includes messing with band memberships. There are usually serveral weeks between actions, partially because the IPs tend to get blocked on deWiki and occationally even globally. Agathoclea (talk) 06:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for comments - Nick Drake
Hello,

you are invited to participate at this discussion. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 13:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for re-assessment
The article about Frederik Magle has recently been expanded significantly (appearing on the front page's DYK-section after the expansion) and subsequently further improved and copy edited. It is currently assessed as "start-class", but that assessment was done before the expansion. Since I have done a lot of the expansion, I'm not the right person to re-assess the article, but I'd appreciate it if someone else would do it, thanks. --Danmuz (talk) 16:19, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Navbox musical artist discussion
I have started a discussion regarding the use of non-linked text in the Navbox musical artist template. I would like to invite this WikiProject to the discussion, as your input would be useful. It can be found here. Thank you. — ξ xplicit  23:32, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Comments on Misha B Talk page
I regret that I have been involved in a content dispute with another editor, regarding which genres to include in Misha B info box. A independent and neutral 3rd or 4th opinion would be very much welcome.

See (sorry these are not neat Wikipedia internal links...i forget) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Misha_B ... Genre Changes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Zoeblackmore_reported_by_User:Jennie--x_.28Result:_.29... Zoebuggie☺ whispers  00:21, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Let's look at deleting Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Assessment
Gang, it appears this WikiProject is so inactive that WikiProject Musicians/Assessment has numerous requests for article assessment backlogged all the way to 2008! I have left a note regarding that fact on the talkpage there, and I think we should discuss deleting it. In brief, it looks bad for the WikiProject and Wikipedia as a whole. I invite comments either here or at the talk page. And if I don't see any movement in the next week or two, that confirms to me that this WikiProject is semi-moribund or even just plain completely inactive. Jus da  fax   10:10, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Establishing notability of Dietrick Hardwick / Mindcage
I need help establishing the notability of Dietrick Hardwick / Mindcage at WP:AFC. Please see Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dietrick Hardwick. Hardwick has provided me several sources, namely Blabbermouth.net and Bravewords.com, which he claims are akin to CNN but in the metal community. Check the sources provided here: Do these sources qualify as reliable within the person's context per WP:RELIABLE? Would this make Hardwick comply with our notabilty BLP requirements? &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 02:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Unneeded italic title
The Bilal (British singer) renders as "Bilal (British singer)" and I don't think it should. I cannot find where the italic title is hidden so I cannot change it. Is there some clever stuff in the infobox template coding? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 19:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The italics is a result of Infobox album being used in the article. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  02:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * But it is using Infobox musical artist. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the album infobox is also present under the Discography section, which is why the article title is italicized, even with the presence of the musical artist infobox. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  02:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahh. So how can we fix it? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:35, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, just fixed it, but I'm not entirely sure if the use of the album infobox is allowed in biographies. —  ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  02:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Park Chanyeol merge discussion
Hello, I have initiated a discussion on the Park Chanyeol talk page regarding his notability, and as a possible merge target to Exo (band), which can be found here. I would appreciate if this WikiProject could look over the article and give their opinion on the matter. Thank you. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  02:39, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Mr. Scruff
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Mr. Scruff regarding the page "Mr. Scruff." Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Tyrol5   [Talk]  01:56, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Redundant content/fork
I'm having a disagreement with an editor at Talk:The Weeknd#Music... over whether an addition is trivial or not to a musician BLP article. Should the editor's addition of a song accolade and description be distributed to the associated album article, House of Balloons, or the recording artist's article, The Weeknd, where it doesnt seem to have any biographical relevance (in my opinion)? Feel free to comment here or at Talk:The Weeknd#Music.... Dan56 (talk) 23:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProjects
I have proposed the creation of two new WikiProjects dedicated to improving articles related to Christina Aguilera (proposal) and Nicki Minaj (proposal). Both artists have several articles related to their work on Wikipedia, though few have GA status. (Britney Spears, however, has a specialized WikiProject that has maintained and promoted several articles to GA status.) My hope is that starting these projects will allow for special attention to be placed on improving these pages and making them the best they can be. Any comments or feedback on the proposal pages are greatly appreciated! Thanks, WikiRedactor (talk) 18:37, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Powderfinger FAR
I have nominated Powderfinger for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YuMaNuMa Contrib 10:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

James DePreist
The article for James DePreist, the conductor with an international career, will be receiving a lot of traffic in the near future due to his death. The article needs work, as much of the text has been pulled from his Allmusic and NEA biographies. It appears to be incomplete and needs expanding, re-wording, sourcing, etc. Any assistance improving this article would be much appreciated. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:51, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson known as "the King of Pop"
Hello, everyone. Opinions are needed on this matter, especially regarding whether or not the fact that Michael Jackson is known as "the King of Pop" should be mentioned in the lead of the Wikipedia article about him. For background on the current discussion, see this discussion. And for the current discussion, see Talk:Michael Jackson. Flyer22 (talk) 21:22, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Vital articles
There is a discussion regarding which music articles should be deemed vital to the project occuring here. Your input would be appreciated. GabeMc (talk&#124;contribs)  21:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Chopin FA
After a discussion with User:Nihil novi over on my talk page, I've decided to finally work on the Frédéric Chopin article so we can take it up to FA status if possible. I plan to get this as a TFA on 17 October 2014 (165th anniversary of Chopin's death). If anyone wants to help out, please do so. All are welcome to assist in this process and if anyone wants to suggest improvements, please do so on the talk page. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Before You Exit (group)

 * I stub-sorted this just now, but when I tried to move it to proper title of Before You Exit I found Articles for deletion/Before You Exit. Not sure whether the new article shows notability. If so, we need a WP:RM; if not, then speedy. I'm not a music expert, but eventually found my way to this project (I've also added a note at WikiProject Music to make it easier to find this and similar projects, because it took me too long to get here from there!) Pam  D  07:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Council/Proposals/Shakira (2nd nomination)
Comments for this proposal are greatly appreciated! WikiRedactor (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Gojira
The usage of Gojira is under discussion, see talk:Gojira -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 00:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Navbox musical artist
I'd like to recommend that when musical artist's who have navigation boxes using Navbox musical artist and they are split into separate songs or singles navboxes, they should use the same background color as defined by Template:Navbox musical artist. So, as one might expect, Bon Jovi and Bon Jovi songs both use background color for "group_or_band", while Kylie Minogue and Kylie Minogue singles use background color for "solo_singer". However, more recent navboxes have been created for artist's songs, such as Katy Perry songs using the generic Navbox template and the creators of these templates apparently don't want to use the musical artist template that to me seems perfectly appropriate. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 07:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Would like article page for Co-founder of music group L'altra
Hello - I'm interested in having an article page for Lindsay Anderson, co-founder of the Chicago music group L'altra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27altra Thanks Lindsay Anderson 44percent (talk) 16:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Chris Brown (American entertainer)
Opinions are needed on the above linked move request matter. Flyer22 (talk) 17:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Ben McKee merge proposal
A new user recently created the Ben McKee article that is basically a copy-and-paste of information from the Imagine Dragons article. I have already started a discussion to merge it back into the article, or more appropriately just have it as a redirect. Please post comments in the discussion. Thank you. Spidey 104  03:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join a discussion
Through this way, I inform there is a discussion at WT:Disambiguation about partially disambiguated titles, known as "PDABs". This subguide of WP:D affects articles in this WikiProject, in some articles already dabbed like Chris Brown (American entertainer), recently moved like Poison (American band), but to other non-dabbed articles like Nirvana (band) or Kiss (band). There you can give ideas or thoughts about what to do with this guideline. Note this discussion is not to modify any aspect of this project naming conventions. Thanks. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  00:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Band members
I have a continuing problem with the presentation of band members in the "infoboxes" that are displayed prominently at the top of articles. Too often, the "current members" list relates to an incarnation several generations down the line that, with respect, no one cares too much about, and there is no clear indication of the "important" lineup(s). For example, I've just been looking at Slade. With the greatest respect to John Berry and Mal McNulty, who are they? The format of these infoboxes needs to change to give an opportunity for the "important" members to be listed together -- in this case, Hill, Powell, Holder and Lee -- under whatever heading is deemed appropriate. It would be really great if the people with an interest in these articles could put their heads together and work out a way to address this problem. 86.169.184.143 (talk) 23:51, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Van Howard
I was asked by Paul A to to contact this group regarding getting the notability guideline for biographies remark removed from the Van Howard page. If you'll read the last few items on the Van Howard talk page, you will see the questions and Paul A's response.

Here's the item in question: The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies (according to the Wiki Criteria for musicians and ensembles, Item #6: "6. Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." Van played with the Louisiana Hayride which featured notable musicians such as Hank Williams, Red Sovine, Lefty Frizzel, and others. Van also played with Ray Price's Cherokee Cowboys. Other notable musicians that Van played with are detailed on the Early Life and Career section of the Wiki Van Howard page. Do you think this is enough to remove the Wikipedia's notability warning at the top of the page? Nmantooth (talk) 21:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Peter Gregson (cellist)
Hello. I first came across this article by chance when it was subject to vandalism by an editor who also interfered with something on my watchlist, and have from time to time reverted more vandalism by the same editor(s). But then today I actually read the thing, and was wondering whether it should be there at all. The only links are to someone's five-year-old blog post and to the subject's own website, and the content of the article is a verbatim copy of the front page of his site (don't know if we copied him, or he copied us). I'm not well enough (or at all) acquainted with the notability guidelines for musicians to judge Mr Gregson's notability, but I'd be grateful if someone could have a look at it, and see if it just needs a cleanup and some independent sourcing, or if it should be a candidate for deletion. Thanks in advance, Struway2 (talk) 12:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Kellie Loder
The article about musician Kellie Loder has an ongoing featured article candidacy here. Any constructive comments you would be willing to provide there would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 03:01, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Missing topics page
I have updated Missing topics about Music - Skysmith (talk) 08:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Propsed Miley Cyrus WikiProject
I have opened a proposal for a Miley Cyrus WikiProject. Feel free to leave comments! WikiRedactor (talk) 18:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

When is the right time to add genres to a relatively new artists info box? Misha B
When is the right time to add genres to a relatively new artists info box? We are having an interesting debate about music genres on the Misha B MUSIC GENRES Misha B is a UK rapper and Singer, with 3 Official Commercial releases, 2 Mix Tapes, 2 Freestyles, and a dozen covers on Youtube). But no album yet. If you are interested please join the discussion.

Both parties of the current discussion agree that her genres should include:


 * Contemporary R&B (def Do You Think of Me + "Ugly Love" & "Silent Cry" from "Knock Knock" + her duets "Ride or Die" & "Floodgates Part 2" covers like "Girl on Fire", "Diamonds" )


 * Hip hop music or Rap ( Freestyles F64 & MishStyle, her covers of Drake's "Started from the Bottom", Jay Z and Kanye West's "No Church in the Wild" and her Rap breaks on X factor "Respect", "Rolling In The Deep", "Girls Wanna have Fun).

Beyond that I would add


 * Reggae fusion based on the fact that 2 of her 3 singles include  Drum & Bass (Home Run, Here's to Everything (Ooh La La)) elements, plus Dancehall (on Home Run) and Dub Step (on Here's to Everything (Ooh La La)) and other genres.

But the other regular and more experienced/talented editor disagrees. She does not rule it out, saying that we should not confuse individual song genres with artists genres & that it's just not evident yet.

Possibly Pop and Dance-pop could be added too, but my main co editor is concerned that would be too many genres Bodney (talk) 22:19, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Plus the one artist the industry experts Grammy.com aka The National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences (http://www.grammy.com/news/misha-b-in-the-uk-spotlight) and others have compared her to is Lauryn Hill, who is notable for neo-soul/reggae fusion.Bodney (talk) 11:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * When is it appropriate to add anything to a Wikipedia article? When you have reliable sources backing it up. If the preponderance of reliable sources about the artist describes her as a "hip hop" artist (or whatever the case is), that's what you should add as a genre. Nothing more, nothing less. -- Laser brain  (talk)  11:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Language Categories for Singers
I just left the following note on the talk page for the Indian singer Asha Bhosle, and thought it would be of interest to this Project:
 * I just counted and found that this article has been place in NINE Language Categories (which doesn't even include the related categories for playback singer ethnicity). That's a really outlandish number! It seems to me that these categories should be limited to her primary languages, rather than including every language she has ever sung or recorded a few songs in. After all, in this day and age, singers everywhere on the planet are likely to sing or record in any number of languages on occasion. It just isn't meaningful in terms of categorization.

Can anybody tell me if this issue has been discussed here, and what sort of conclusions (if any) were reached? Cgingold (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to revamp the genre field in the infobox
Two weeks ago, I opened a discussion at Template talk:Infobox musical artist. So far, the proposal has slowly been gaining some support, though editors differ in exactly how it should be implemented. If the proposal does pass and is implemented, it will effect ALL musician articles, so I think there should definitely be more people involved in the discussion. Thanks. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

GA reviewers needed
The Good Article project has a bit of a backlog in popular music; out of the five oldest nominations on the project right now, for example, all five are popular music-related. Unfortunately, this is an area where WP:GAN always gets more editors interested in nominating than in reviewing. Would anyone be willing to review an article or two to help reduce the wait? It doesn't take long, helps out other editors, and is a fun way to learn about some off-beat material. Cheers and thanks, -- Khazar2 (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Johnny Cash
Extra eyes are needed on the Johnny Cash article, as Opus88888 has taken it upon himself to repeatedly blank out the referenced claim that Cash is "one of the most important artists of the 20th century", simply because Opus regards this as "exaggeration". My warnings to Opus have not been effective. --- The Old Jacobite <sub style="font-family:Courier New; color:#006600;">The '45  14:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Portal:U2 for peer review
Miss Bono and myself have requested a portal peer review for Portal:U2. We would appreciate any helpful advice at Portal peer review/U2/archive1. Thanks in advance and happy editing! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Portal:U2

notability of Ninja Sex Party and Starbomb (album)
Are these notable? The article for the band mentions appearances in film festivals and awards from groups that do not have a Wikipedia article. There's one mention from Huffington Post: Shawnc (talk) 20:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposed Miley Cyrus WikiProject
Back in August, I proposed the creation of a Miley Cyrus WikiProject, and there hasn't been much of a response at the nomination since then. Feel free to stop by, support/oppose, or leave comments. WikiRedactor (talk) 20:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposal of WikiProject Recording Artists, restructuring of WikiProject Musicians
I have created a proposal to create a WikiProject Recording Artists, which would be split off from the existing WikiProject Musicians with the intention of redefining it as a WikiProject Instrumentalists. Since this proposal would affect a large number of people, it will be very helpful to have as much input from Wikipedians as possible. Please stop by the nomination and leave some thoughts/suggestions. Thank you, WikiRedactor (talk) 22:05, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Please comment at Kelvin Tan's ongoing peer review!
Fellow Wikipedians, I humbly present my latest contribution to this project, an article about Kelvin Tan, a blind Singaporean Mandopop singer! All members of this WikiProject are invited to support the quest to counter systemic bias on Wikipedia by commenting at this article's ongoing peer review to help it achieve GA status! May you enjoy reviewing this short, but interesting, article, as much as I enjoyed writing it! Thanks! 谢谢！Terima kasih! நன்றி! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 12:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Concerning The Machine (band)
If this is the wrong place or has been mentioned before, then apologies. Talk:The Machine (band) links to this wikiproject.

There is another progressive, acid/psychedelic rock band formed in 2007 also called "The Machine":. You can also just youtube "The Machine: Moons of Neptune" to see which band I mean or any of their related tunes. Should we have a separate page? M&and;Ŝc2ħεИτlk 00:36, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * (Late) update: this thread should not be continued here, it is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Machine (Dutch band). M&and;Ŝc2ħεИτlk 12:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

AFD of interest
There is a AfD on a musician named CK Morgan which may be of interest, at Articles for deletion/CK Morgan. Coretheapple (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

CHANGE OF INFOBOX MUSICAL ARTIST TO INFOBOX PERSON
Hi all,

I'm hoping to gain editorial consenus or opinions on creating a hybrid of Infobox person/musical artist (e.g. Hilary Duff, Ciara, Fergie) for each musical artist. You can incorporate a lot more information about their life in such a format- it strikes a fine balance between both musical career and personal life (of which I am sure most people would be more interested in). There must be more information in that infobox than just about their musical career. Its purpose is to be a summary of their life as wellas their musical career, and I feel like the infobox musical artist template simply is not efficient enough in this respect.

Opinions and discussions in regards to this will be greatly appreciated- whether on this page or on my talk page :) Feel free to contribute and/or "second the motion".

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 12:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I suggest that any discussion of this topic be centralized in one place, such as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Genre in infobox discussion
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music. Gyrofrog (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC) -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Human height
Just seeking a wider range of input from informed persons at Template_talk:Height.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 01:23, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Michael Jackson's health and appearance article
Anyone willing to help out with the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article? The same back and forth mess is still going on at that article, such as with this and this edit by "new editor" Firstcomp, especially with regard to Jackson's skin color and whatever plastic surgery he might have had. See Talk:Michael Jackson's health and appearance for further detail. Flyer22 (talk) 21:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Move request
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Yoshihide Ōtomo, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Michitaro (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study
Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 17:26, 4 February 2014 (UTC).

No infobox for composers?
While Clara Schumann has an infobox her husband Robert Schumann does not; neither do Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, Johannes Brahms or Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky.


 * If there is an infobox for composers, please send me the link.
 * If there isn't, is there a reason why not?
 * If it's an oversight, would somebody with more wiki-programming savvy than me {I know: I} like to create a decent one?

Who's game? Cheers! Shir-El  too  12:47, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

""
The usage of is under discussion, see talk:Mark Read (singer) -- 70.24.244.161 (talk) 06:56, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Recording artists
FYI, there's a proposal to create a wikiproject on recording artists, see WikiProject Council/Proposals/Recording Artists -- 70.24.244.161 (talk) 05:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

possible wikipedia page
Hi my name is Spike Wilde. I am a musician and just started getting somewhere with it. Im not sure who to speak to or ask about getting a write up/page/artic or some what on wikipedia. I have a web site and face book page and youtube. My web is www.spikewilde.co.uk and my facebook is spike wilde music. I have been playing alot lately and at a few festivals. I first started out playing with the company of the 'Babyshambles' boys and now currently playing solo acoustic. I have led as rythm guitar and vocal for bands 'Razor and Guido' and 'Sock Monkeys'. I have recently been playing in well know bars across london and recently played at the National History Museum in London on the 31 of january where i played in the central hall. Please consider me for wikipedia as it may help my carrer and provide information to people already following me. Many thanks Spike Wilde. 188.29.165.36 (talk) 22:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a social networking site; it's purpose is to spread encyclopedic material. If a performer or a band achieve notability by reliable sources, anyone can then create an article. Until then, you should concentrate on music practice and for publicity on the channels you mention. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update
As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at ~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man ) 04:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Four-paragraph leads -- a WP:RfC on the matter
Hello, everyone. There is a WP:RfC on whether or not the leads of articles should generally be no longer than four paragraphs (refer to WP:Manual of Style/Lead section for the current guideline). As this will affect Wikipedia on a wide scale, including WikiProjects that often deal with article formatting, if the proposed change is implemented, I invite you to the discussion; see here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section. Flyer22 (talk) 13:36, 28 February 2014 (UTC)