Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Muslimgauze task force

Proposed Ideas
-Just started a new section called 'Musical Styles' and think this may be the place to include samples of styles Jones worked with. The challenge is the fact he was prolific, so if we pick examples of broad selections, like an 'ambient' track, a 'hip hop' track, a more 'ethnic' sounding track--we can cover some broad areas.

-Another complication is that more information can easily be posted, such as stories behind the album covers, who designed them--which is important. However, only the upcoming book has sourced information on that aspect. So do we wait until the book comes out to source it? Anyone know of any articles on the topic? Do we post now or wait until publication/public availability to source additional details?

-What's your view on a research methodology section in the page?

-As for images, I think it would be a good idea to put back the show posters or live performance photos. The site runner of Arabbox gave me clearance to use them--as that was a problem with previous Wikipedia posting. If the feature status Eliott Smith entry can show live footage, why can't Muslimgauze? I. Khider (talk) 06:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

What is the best and most efficient way to source an article more than once throughout the entry?I. Khider (talk) 17:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Repeated citations
To re-use a citation, first name it. Then in subsequent references use the singleton  tag calling the name of the first tag. Note the end slash–this is needed to identify the tag as a singleton (not enclosing other data). Not including that slash will cause problems.

A more sophisticated approach uses the Harvard citation, which allows multiple citations to different pages in the same source. You can see how this looks in Nathanson and Young, where various page citations to "Nathanson & Young 2001" link to the same source.

If I find time today, I can install templates in Muslimgauze to standardize the citation style. / edg ☺ ☭ 13:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous editors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:201.37.230.43

This above user who goes by IP is stirring up b.s. I made up a talk page for him/her. The user made various claims but offers no specific objections. Hence I see the user as making empty statements. If someone specifically has a problem with a paragraph, sentence or entry and can demonstrate error, I'm all for change and adjustment--otherwise it's just BS.I. Khider (talk) 05:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Assume good faith here. I think this editor just wants to be helpful. / edg ☺ ☭ 13:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I say we follow what the other editor says as zines and independent magazines should not be used as sources. There is no editor vouching for factual accuracy, there are no fact checkers, and various other things that more serious journalists and magazines use. Why should we believe these sources? How do we know the interviewee said those things? I can make up my own fan zine and magazine and make up any quote I want--can you prove I didn't? I think Wikipedia needs better than zines and independent magazines as sources. Xebche (talk) 20:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Disputes about the suitability of a source can be settled at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. / edg ☺ ☭ 21:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I address both Xebche and Annonymous on my talk pageI. Khider (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Images
Posters may be copyrighted works; if so, they would be unusable. Performance photos are acceptable if the copyright owner (usually the photographer) grants essentially unlimited free use; however, most published photographs are under more restrictive copyright. If anyone here knows a Muslimgauze photographer, it would be helpful to ask them if they would release a few photos under GFDL so they can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. It is unlikely that we can claim fair use on performance photos.

The Elliott Smith performance image is linked from. It has been confirmed for free use by the photographer. / edg ☺ ☭ 13:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sound samples
If someone could recommend short excerpts for any particular article or section, I could edit and upload sound files for use in Muslimgauze articles. (I have most of the albums.) Note: audio clips must be relevant to specific points made in the article, and short enough to comply with Wikipedia:Music samples. All I would need would be someone to propose specific excerpts like this: For Red Madrassa article, Red Madrassa, "Rhodesia" 2:35-2:55, Caption: from "Rhodesia". This sample is used throughout the 20 minute track

I think audio samples make a lot of sense for music articles. I have made several in the past. These need to include the following templates, filled out correctly: / edg ☺ ☭ 14:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Music sample info
 * Non-free audio sample

Discography
The discography still needs some significant work as well. I realize that this is secondary to the artist article but, given the scope of his works, I think it's still an important effort. dil (talk) 11:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Off topic/Personal: Request for comments
Sorry to bug you folks. User:I. Khider and myself have been involved in a discussion about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I'm not happy with the way that it has been going.

Most of the posts are on User:I. Khider's Talk page. I would very much appreciate any comments or feedback that anyone would like to give.

My Talk page, if anyone wants to post there.

I'm posting this here because I'd particularly like to hear from people who are on I. Khider's "team" and this is the most convenient way of reaching you all. Apologies if this seems innappropriate.

-- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking this off-project&mdash;the possibility of this workgroup being overwhelmed by drama right from the start was disheartening to me. I'll reply in time (might take a day or two), but I'm hoping you two can work something out in a good faith effort. Good luck, and thanks again. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)