Wikipedia talk:WikiProject NASCAR/Archive 3

NASCAR on Wiki
I have founded a NASCAR Wiki. It can be found here" My reasoning behind this is simple: NASCAR has many more terms, categories, history, etc., etc., than should be in a basic encyclopedia. I am interested expanded the knowledge of NASCAR, so a more in-depth Wiki is needed. I am currently copying over articles that I have personally written or helped write, and will begin transferring over others if no objections are raised. My plan is to equally contribute to both Wikipedia and NASCAR Wiki. Your help would be greatly appreciated. User: DaNASCAT

Proposed WikiProject NASCAR barnstar Award
I have proposed a barnstar for outstanding contributions to WikiProject NASCAR. Please let your opinion's be known about the design and concept here. Royalbroil 04:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I anyone gonna vote on it? There are no votes at this time. The barnstar will actually be an award (since the image does not include a star. Royalbroil 21:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Support per nom. -- D -Day What up? Am I cool, or what? 21:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Please vote at the link above. I don't think your vote will be counted here. Royalbroil 03:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

NASCAR article spam link discussion
I ask all WikiProject members to come here and vote to reach a consensus on where I certain NASCAR-related website external link should stay on the NASCAR article. Royalbroil 04:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Leicht
I have placed the Stephen Leicht article up for nomination at WP:DYK. They have requested that we unstub the article. If you can do this, please be bold and do so. -- D -Day What up? Am I cool, or what? 19:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The article doesn't look like a stub to me. It is over 1900 characters, longer than the 1000 character threshold. It is on the short side for DYK, but I bet my DYK article on Sara Christian was shorter (but had a compelling story as NASCAR's first female). I'm not excited about either hook proposed. I'll think about another one to propose. I'll look, but I doubt there is much more information available for him. An Busch driver infobox should be added, which could change the look of the article a lot. The destub looks to be a comment to me from a non-admin (who might be lurking based on some of the other people's comments), so I wouldn't take it too seriously. Royalbroil 19:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

USAR
I created an article called the USAR Hooters Pro Cup. I know many NASCAR drivers got their start there, so please update any links you find to the series. I set up several redirects, and please add any ones that I omitted. Thanks! Royalbroil 02:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Chris Economaki
I created an article for the legendary motorsports reporter and journalist Chris Economaki. Do you think he should be included in the WikiProject NASCAR or not? His contributions certainly have included NASCAR, but they go so much farther. Royalbroil 03:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Go for it. Heck, I included Terance Mathis because he owns a race team. It'd be sacrelige not include him on this project. -- D -Day What up? Am I cool, or what? 11:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, Economaki has played a couple of long-term important roles in getting NASCAR's various types of racing known to the public. It's true that he's had similar effect with regard to other types of racing, but I would rank him in the top 100 most influential people in NASCAR's history.  Tag him!  Barno 13:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I tagged him. I considered that he could be considered marginal for this project by some people. I felt so strong about Economaki's contributions to society that I nominated the article for DYK. Any contributions to the article would be appreciated. I've never seen so many awards/inductions bestowed on a person. Thanks for you input! Royalbroil 13:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Richie Gilmore
Someone created a two sentence article on the DEI Vice President Richie Gilmore. The article was immediately tagged for speedy deletion. I protested the speedy part of the deletion. I asked for WikiProject NASCAR members to be given a chance to expand the article if they felt it should stay, or otherwise list the article for regular deletion (AFD). I cited a nascar.com article to show that he potentially meets WP:BIO. Royalbroil 04:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Chase for the Cup
I think we should break it out into its own article (out of NEXTEL Cup). Please comment. Royalbroil 03:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why? The Chase for the Cup is part of the NEXTEL Cup season.  Taking it out of the main NEXTEL Cup article really leaves very little content in that article other than history, and it seems unneccessary.  DiegoTehMexican 04:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably the best thing to do would be to give it its own detailed article at Chase for the Cup and then in the NEXTEL Cup article have a brief section for it that summarizes the main points of the Chase article and have one of those links at the top of that section. Recury 13:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I meant exactly what Recury said. The NEXTEL Cup article is too long, and I think that Chase for the Cup should be its own article. NEXTEL Cup should be about the history of the series. Maybe list of Cup champions should be broken out into its own article too. Please comment about each potential article separately. Royalbroil 02:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I already created an article for the list of champions at List of NASCAR champions in April, but I never removed them from the separate series articles. I will do so now. I also believe the Chase should have its own article as expressed above, and maybe even the points systems as well. Dom Rem  | Yeah? 02:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

List of current NASCAR races/table
I am working a nice pretty table to use instead of the bulleted lists at List of current NASCAR races. Besides looking nice, the other main reason for me wanting to do this is that I never liked all of the asterisks and dashes and things we were using to indicate whether a race was a night race or a non-points race, etc. The combination of the notes column and the background colors should take care of that kind of info. Can anyone think of any other things that might need to be included? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Recury 18:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I love the pretty table. Must easier to understand. I wouldn't change a thing. Royalbroil 14:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, light years ahead of what was. :) I might suggest adding Sun/Sat/Fri/Thur/Wed somewhere, and for truck, some indicator for if a busch/truck race was held standalone... (possibly a color coding for those series...) -slowpokeiv 17:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Bill Simpson
Hello, I am not a member of the project, but I did just create an article on Bill Simpson (I've been creating articles on Indy 500 drivers). I thought that someone on the project may have some more detail to add to it to move it beyond "stub" status. --Brian G 14:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Should we add him to the WikiProject NASCAR? His safety equipment from Simpson Race Products is significant to safety in a NASCAR car. I think he's in the misc. category, so definitely. --Royalbroil 03:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, add the project tag, and expand on the leading influence he had in NASCAR safety, both with Simpson and with Impact. A good source is the Stock Car Racing feature article from the Nineties or the Speedway Illustrated feature article from around the turn of the century.  (Sorry, I don't have these on hand anymore.)  Barno 14:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Individual race summaries?
There's a lot of good work here, folks, and while attempting not to fall asleep during the New Hampshire race today (one of my least favorite tracks), I had an idea/question? IIRC, on the F1 pages each individual race in a season is given a moderate (1-4 paragraphs) summary, including key details, storylines, major incidents, and perhaps a complete results listing. Each page is organized sequentially (like the races currently are). I noticed that this does not exist on the Nextel Cup races. I don't know what other people's opinions on this are, but I figured it might be a good thing to have. One way or the other, many of the race recaps on the 2006 in NASCAR page could use a little beefing up, which I'll probably be doing (without objection) in the next few days. --Bveale 20:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup, the F1 project does do that, but in addition, each race is given their own page, not just in sequential order. In my opinion, the way we are currently doing things is good, but I would agree that a "beefing up" is in order, similar to the better entries in 2005 in NASCAR.-slowpokeiv 01:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, that's what I meant. My only concern about doing that on the season page is creating something that's too big, as opposed to individual race pages that people can click on themselves.  However, I have no preference either way.--Bveale 01:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * An example of what I'm envisioning is now on the 2006 in NASCAR page right now under the Daytona 500.--Bveale 01:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That - looks great, no, perfect. -slowpokeiv 21:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kudos. I'm a journalist by trade (well, in training), and so it's a little bit of writing practice.  I recognize that the point isn't necessarily journalistic, but a moderately-sized summary of the important points was worth including in my opinion. --Bveale 02:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'm changing my mind on this one. Looking closer at the F1 articles, and re-reading what Bveale actually suggested, I would agree with it. Or, to rephrase, I thing that the pages 2006 Daytona 500, 2006 Auto Club 500, etc... should be created, with full beefed up summary, complete results listing, etc. for 2006 in NASCAR, a briefer summary, plus a link to the complete summary should be placed. I'm not sure if the full top ten should be listed, or maybe just top 5. I am sure that someone that failed to qualify should have lower importance that finished 11th, and as such, I would propose that the DNQs should be moved to the race pages.

Part of the reasoning behind suggesting this move, is the sheer size (and potentially lack of readability) of 2005 in NASCAR Per Article_size, suggested max size is 32, with a "Probably should be divided" existing at 50K, and the 2005 page is currently 54K. Another part, is that is all racers and their positions in F1 races are notable, teh same should be said about NASCAR. -slowpokeiv 01:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Season summary title discussion
Another silly question for discussion: shouldn't an article entitled 2006 in NASCAR either have information on all the series or should be retitled 2006 Nextel Cup season or something like that?--Bveale 01:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The other series already have articles at 2006 in NASCAR Busch Series and 2006 in NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series. I could see how the title could be misleading, though, and how it could fit better at 2006 in NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series. After all, there are only NNC season articles stretching as far back as 1990, with two stragglers at 1949 and 1976, so moving all of them wouldn't be much of a hassle (fixing incoming links might be another story). Dom Rem  | Yeah? 02:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Honest opinion: I'm split between changing and not.
 * Pro: Consistancy with other articles.
 * Con: Inconsistant over multiple seasons, (SS, GN, NWC, NNC) where the others have stayed consistant over the series. (NBS, NCTS) (Note, can be overcome by redirects)
 * Con: When you say NASCAR, without a qualifier, one presumes the Cup series.
 * Con: Doesn't fit as easy in my succession boxes theory that you can see in my sandbox. (OK, that was lame, but it would be easier...)
 * As far as correcting the links, is not too hard with AutoWikiBrowser, with redirects in place for the interim... -slowpokeiv 21:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak keep as is. I don't feel strongly either way. The keep is because when you think NASCAR, its Cup. There should be a short italics sentence at the top linking to the Busch and CTS articles for the seasons in any case (and to Cup & CTS in Busch, etc). The articles should reflect the serie's name as it was refered to during that season.


 * As for the links, D-Day & I both have bots (AWB), and even 100 links aren't too bad. Don't do them manually if that's the consensus. --Royalbroil 00:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If we're voting, I'd vote for a weak change. Pros:I think that the title is slightly misleading.  When I looked at the article, I expected at least a cursory discussion of Busch or Trucks or whatever.  I disagree with the assessment that NASCAR instantly connotes just the 43 cars that contest the Cup series races each week.
 * Con:It would probably be more trouble than it's worth. The average user does at least have an idea that's what the article is going for.  It's the snobs and details folks like me (the ones who pick nits about the likes of whether it should be called Charlotte or Lowe's, or New Hampshire or Loudon, that would complain. :) --Bveale 02:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that yes, NASCAR is not just the 43 on Sunday, but tell that to the general public. :) Yeah, I'm a snob that knows better too, but eh, we're not writing this for the snobs or junkies, we're writing this as an encyclopedia, for the general public, that may have little or no knowledge of NASCAR.-slowpokeiv 13:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Count me in on the etilist NASCAR snob group. One thing to keep in mind that most (supposed to be ALL) of the season articles have See Also links to other season articles in that year. -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 15:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If we're voting, I guess I'd join with Royalbroil in Weak keep as is, with italics sentences added to top of all articles, (Cup, Busch and Truck) -slowpokeiv 13:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We should retitle the articles (and categories if any need it) to be encyclopedic: correct in each detail cited, and complete enough to provide an NPOV summary of the most important things about the topic.  "NASCAR" is a bunch of touring series and a lot of weekly tracks, not just the Cup series.  Titles should reflect whether the content covers only Cup or other parts of the organization.  Barno 14:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I would support moving the articles to the more specific names, but then I'm a categorization dork and like consistency in things like that. Recury 01:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

IROC?
Foolish Question: Does the NASCAR WikiProject include IROC races/championships? They are generally raced in a car as "stock" as possible... Main reason I ask, is that in a process to be completionist, I grabbed the list of drivers at [racing-reference.com Racing Reference] which does include IROC races. What do y'all think? I'm for it, but I could see viewpoints to the contrary. The main reason I think we should take it on, is that I do not think that IROC is large enough to be a whole WikiProject, and I don't think that any open wheel WikiProjects would take it on... -slowpokeiv 17:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * IROC is not part of NASCAR. The two organizations cooperate more closely than NASCAR does with IRL or ARCA or SCCA, but IROC isn't within this WikiProject's scope.  Barno 17:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also opposed. Completely separate entity from NASCAR. It would be appropriate to create its own small WikiProject. --Royalbroil 04:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, per suggestions, the IROC WIkiProject has been created. -slowpokeiv 00:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Rain shortened races?

 * Among the individual race pages, nearly every one had been complete with a mention in parenthesis if the race was shortened by rain, or extended due to green-white-checkered. I noticed someone went and deleted a good number of them (not all), and it seems quite unorganized now. I could not find any mention if it was standard to do so (it should be). If so, some reverting needs to be done to recover the lost information, if not, whatever. Doctorindy 18:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In the long term, I think eventually the race pages should be redone with table rather than lists. A table already exists for the Daytona 500. A precident has been shown with all of the college bowl games, and it makes the pages look much better as a whole. A big undertaking though. Doctorindy 18:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

2 new Pages
I feel that there needs to be a page based on drivers that have won races (and the amount they have), and drivers that have won poles. If no one disagrees, I would like to start the pages Race Winners in NASCAR and Pole Winners in NASCAR. If anyone has suggestions on the names of the pages or how the pages should be made, please don't hesistate to tell me. Casey14 22:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If this does go through, I'd arrange it by the # of wins/poles they've had. -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 23:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Creating a list like this sounds good to me, but might be a touch of work. Also, the naming convention of the WikiPedia likes it to be "List of"... but yeah, sounds great.-slowpokeiv 01:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't mind the creation of a list like this myself. If you want suggestions for names, my ideas would be List of NASCAR drivers by wins and List of NASCAR drivers by poles (or even pole positions). Dom Rem  | Yeah? 02:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. I notice that there are people who are marking Lists on AFD, and saying that they should be replaced by categories. Its important to make it a ranked list so it couldn't be done with a category (and thus deleted). I suggest calling the poles list List of NASCAR drivers ranked by number of pole wins, and the wins list List of NASCAR drivers ranked by number of wins. Casey's suggestion should be avoided because someone could argue that it could be done by categories. --Royalbroil 04:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds like good names, Royalbroil, so there is no confusion. Thank You.  Casey14 17:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to let you guys know that I attempted to make the all time wins page. I think its up there, but it desperately needs to be formatted if someone wouldn't mind. Any suggestions let me know, I want to help, but im a little inexperienced --Scooch151 20:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Current season statistics
I noticed that an anon contributor add the season totals for 2004, 2005, and 2006 to Scott Riggs' article. Jeff Gordon's article also is frequently targeted. We need to come up with WikiProject policy about current season statistics and enforce it. I'm talking about things like that table or things like "Jeff Gordon is currently 12th in the points xxx points out of the Top 10". Not talking about discussions that list his wins, or text that describe his best finish this season, etc.

Pros

 * It's nice to see how drivers have done so far this season.

Cons

 * It's too difficult to keep it up to date. Does someone update it every week? The infoboxes don't get updated every week to reflect the week's Top 10 finishes.

Comments
I vote we enforce no statistics except in the infobox. --Royalbroil 02:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. In the ideal world the infobox does get updated every week, but it does get noted when it was last updated. Also, to remove a valid piece of text could be discouraging to new/other editors unfamiliar with the policy. As such, I vote that we enforce Last Updated/(As of DATE) at every mention of current stats. -slowpokeiv 04:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should get rid of the infobox, just the current stats in the text the are often months behind. Someone usually updates the infoboxes each week. --Royalbroil 20:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, keep the infobox, I was just saying that every time we see stats, in the infobox or elsewhere, that there should be a date associated with those stats. (The infobox by definition requires a date, but the main article doesn't, and as such, I suyggest a policy that enforces keep a date by it. For example: Jeff Gordon has 75 career Nextel Cup victories (As of July 30, 2006)...) -slowpokeiv 20:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Racing-reference.com
Racing-reference.com is now racing-reference.info. There are hundreds of links on here to the site. I looked with my AutoWikiBot, and I can't figure out a way to change the whole bunch. Would everyone with a bot please take a look? Cheers! --Royalbroil 20:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * An anon user has been taking care of that for us. -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 20:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm using my AWB to scan and change all article in WikiProject NASCAR's Recent changes list. I got through L before I had to stop. I will go through the rest of the list a little later. I will do all WikiProject IROC articles after that. That should clear up most references to the website on Wikipedia. So don't waste your time updating any. --Royalbroil 16:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Got 'em all. I added a few articles to the recent changes page that somehow were never added. --Royalbroil 04:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Quality and Importance Assessments
OK, more work, I know, but bear with me, I think this is probably where we want to be headed.

To make a long story short, I've been noticing (through a few otehr wikiprojects) the theory of Quality Assessments, Importance, and the CD/DVD Release. To make a long story short, if we want any NASCAR articles to be recognized or added to the stable (read: frozen/non-editable/for the time being final) release, we need to get into action and start identifying them.

Further, when browsing my watchlist, I noticed the Template:Baseball-WikiProject. This template automatically adds the talk pages of each page that the template is added to to 3 categories: the general WP:Baseball cat, and two based upon quality and importance. The interesting feature of this template is that if no assessment is made, then it adds each talk page to an Unassessed or unknown-importance category (hmm, seems like a great place for a ready-made, and automatically updating to-do list!)

In the tradition of Be Bold!, I am making such changes to the template, and will add instructions here and on the template talk. Further, once all is in place, I will be adding the proper links to the to-do list, for ready access. -slowpokeiv 01:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Done: Listing of assessments here, list of Unassessed articles here. Note: pages listed will be the talk pages for the article, not the article itself. (that's just how the template works...) -slowpokeiv 02:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/American Championship Car Racing
In case anyone is interesting in voicing an opinion on this topic, either pro or con, the article American Championship Car Racing is currently under review for deletion. --Brian G 03:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

List of sponsors/teams tables
Unless the article does not have an overview of the driver's NASCAR history, we really don't need a table listing what teams they drove for and what their sponsor was. It's quite repetitive and is not needed to be repeated twice. -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 21:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Race Winner tables
Doctorindy took it upon themself to create a table for the Allstate 400 at the Brickyard page, and I think it's high time we had a standard table format for this purpose. doctorindy's table (with 2 rows) is as follows:

¹- 402.5 miles / 161 laps due to green-white-checkered finish

AFAIK, the only other page to have a table is the Daytona 500 page:

To be honest, I like Doctorindy's design as is, and claim that the information not contained in it is irrelevant, with the possible exception of Winner's prize. I like the footnoting, I like the design, I like that the date itself is present. A few minor modifications I would make: To exemplify for the Ford 400
 * Addition of race names as header for each change in race name. (makes it clearer than in the infobox)
 * Addition of prize column.
 * Redefinition of "Car" to "Car Make"

Comments/suggestions? -slowpokeiv 16:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks awesome to me. Recury 18:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I also like it. The only thing I would change is to use the tags for the footnoting. It would incorprate the footnotes into any other footnotes for the rest of the article and is just a cleaner / more consistent process.Sue Anne 19:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Re: tags, Awesome! Never knew they did what they did, will certainly use them from now on! -slowpokeiv 19:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I like it. Much more interesting than a list. -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Splendid! Implementation at the Brickyard looks extremely professional and concise. Well done! --Royalbroil 03:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, in the spirit of WP:Be Bold, done. Any counter proposals will be heard, but until said point in time, new standard now agreed upon. -slowpokeiv 20:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't see why we need the flags; nearly every NASCAR driver is from the United States. Perhaps in the future, they'd be useful, but I really don't see the need for them. -- DiegoTehMexican 15:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I placed flags for two reasons: 1) Continuity, (see Road America, a NASCAR table/race that does not merit a standalone NASCAR page) and 2) Future proof. If/when Juan Pablo Montoya or maybe Jacques Villeneuve wins, the need will be there. Until then, the claim "most racers are American, so we shouldn't have to say it" still doesn't hold any weight with me. on the List of Indianapolis 500 winners from 1916 - 1988, only two drivers were not American, yet for continuity and completeness sake, they flag them. -slowpokeiv 15:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm glad everyone's in consensus here. i think it will be a major improvement to the whole NASCAR section. I like the tweaks made as well (prize money, race names, etc.) F1, CART, IRL pages have all started emerging as tables, as well as NFL playoffs, college football bowl games, and many others.
 * As far as some notes, I think the flags should stay, mostly because these are "events" contested by people. Just because few non-Americans currently participate, does not mean that it is irrelevant information. Someone looking at the page from elsewhere might find the information interesting.
 * There should be a added a tag to align the prize money with a "right align." That way the commas line up correctly. I think the average speed could also use the "center alignment" to look better. The Distance probably should stay with a left alignment. Doctorindy 18:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand and agree with the right align for the prize monies, in theory. In practice, it would require an extra bit of code. (Not insurmountable, just technical.) Re: Distance, yes, it must stay left aligned, for the references to look proper. Re: avg speed, indifferent, except for the coding issue. -slowpokeiv 15:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Here a very simple revision for the right align for the prize money. I agree the rest should remain as is. The simple syntax "align=right|" is added before the dollar sign. Note as below Doctorindy 17:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, yup, that does look good. (Augh, I missed that extra pipe, which is why I thought it would be more difficult than it actually is. When I tried it, didn't work without a carriage return...)

NEXTEL CUP
I looked for a discussion on this but haven't found one. Is there a reason that everything that happened in NASCAR prior to 2004 is described as being NEXTEL Cup? It seems factually incorrect to say, for example, that Richard Petty won 7 NEXTEL Cup championships. aww 16:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just the corporate sponsorship. Look at any venue or sponsored event - the official publications and the networks always refer to it by the current title.  Most fans will tell you that Petty won 7 Winston Cup championships, as did Dale Sr, but officially, he won 7 NEXTEL Cup championships.  - DiegoTehMexican 19:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup, that's the way NASCAR does it, but to be historically correct, I would agree to be factual, that is, call it NEXTEL, Winston, Grand National, etc... when correct. -slowpokeiv 00:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If there is going to be a problem with that, they could also be known as NASCAR Champions, ot NASCAR Cup Series Champions. SFrank85 14:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Eh. I'm not sure there is actually a good analogy to other sports, although golf does note when a tournament went by a different name and the NFL distinguishes between the modern era and the pre-merger championships. It just kind of seems to me that if you are going to use the name, that Winston Cup champions should be called Winston Cup champions and Nextel Cup Champions should be called that. Just like occasionally you would see earlier drivers listed as Grand National Champions not Winston Cup Champs. I think the way Hickok Sports does it is the best personally. aww 17:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:NASCAR current driver
long story short (as I am short on time) recent changes to template, to add Image. I applied quick fix, that is, so the wouldn't be on all but Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Kurt Busch, Jeff Burton, and Greg Biffle. Better question: should it be part of the infobox, or should it be removed? -slowpokeiv 00:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Organization of WP
OK, maybe I went overboard, but the main page became to cluttered for my taste, so I went ahead and per WP:Be Bold, organized it into subpages. If y'all don't like it, speak up, we can always revert back, but it made more sense to me, and allows for a greater depth of detail and refinment of said detail in each sub-category. For your convenience, the template WP NASCAR Navigation has been placed on each and every WP:NASCAR page, feel free to edit as all sees fit. (Like I could stop anyone, in any case...) -slowpokeiv 20:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I love it! It was getting more and more difficult to navigate the WikiProject as time went on. I sometimes had to do numerous clicks to find something. Thanks! Royalbroil 14:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Team Drivers Histroy
I think this template should be for history on team articles

Honestly, I don't think that's necessary. In most articles, they're already covered in the text, so a table is really not needed. -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 00:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Driver infoboxes

 * From Wikipedia talk:WikiProject NASCAR/Templates which now redirects to WT:NASCAR. Airplaneman   ✈  Review? 03:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Please add your driver infoboxes to the Category:People infobox templates. Thank you, WikiProject Biography - Morphh 20:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind - I took care of it. Morphh 02:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just a thought - why do you have so many templates? Why not combined the current/former/deceased into one template with optional components?  Better yet, why not combine all the driver templates into one with an additional specification for Nextel, Busch, or CTS?  Seems crazy to have 7 driver templates. Morphh 13:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, is kind of crazy, it just evolved into that, and would take a lot of work to change it. Not saying that it shouldn't be changed, but would take work. -slowpokeiv 00:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks to the great work of slowpokeiv, we now have one driver template for all three series. -- DiegoTehMexican 19:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Ontario Motor Speedway
Since someone asked about the arc on the old speedway property, that is really turn 3, not 2 since the track was ran counter-clockwise for both Nascar and Indycar races. OMS was also home to a racing school and had a road course before Indy had one. TVSRR 04:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

template talk
It was suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject NASCAR/Templates that instead of 3 templates, we should have just one, with optional fields. I agreed, but said that it would take a lot of work. I started with the template in this sandbox, and pasted three examples of the previous templates at this sandbox. Idealy, all three should look the same, with the only difference being fields added/removed. Unfortunately, I was right, it is a lot of work, and I can't finish it tonight. If anyone can figure it out, feel free to edit the "template" at User:Slowpokeiv/userboxes, no matter how many edits it takes. Thanks, -slowpokeiv

P.S. Also idealy, it should be possible to add the other templates in with optional variables, so instead of 7 templates, 1 would work. (ok, if taken to the logical extreme, 9 templates) -slowpokeiv 01:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, i think I fixed it, thoughts, anyone? -slowpokeiv 21:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's difficult to say without them being put to use, but I like what I see. -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 23:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's what Sandbox #2 was for... -slowpokeiv 01:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Could we see examples of this being usedd for other series? -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 16:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Working on it, but slow process... -slowpokeiv 22:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, how does it look now? I'm not sure if I'm happy with the variables, but I think that it is the best way for immediate upgrade. If we're looking long term, we might want to rename Wins -> Cup_Wins or something, though... -slowpokeiv 23:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I love it! This implements exactly what I has thinking about when we were discussing what to do about drivers in multiple series! KUDOS!! Royalbroil 01:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good! I like what I'm seeing! -- D -Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 15:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, it has been a while, and is now done. Infobox NASCAR driver now exists, but needs to be used. All should be able to be migrated with little effort, but be aware that all stats must now be series specific. (That is, Cup_Wins must be used, not Wins) -slowpokeiv 12:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

NASCAR Canadian Tire Series
Let's get this article featured either as a "In the News" article or DYK!! Royalbroil 02:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe as "In the News", but I was under the impression that it's just a rebranded CASCAR, and thus inelgible for DYK. - DiegoTehMexican 03:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The "In the news" nomination was rejected with this explanation: "(rv, non-current/international event. You may want to add it to current sports events)." I am surprised that 2 major countries of the world don't entail world-wide interest, especially since I consider NASCAR to have a world-wide audience. I bet it would fit in nice with other "current sports news" like the MLB All-Star game result and Floyd Landis' "win" at the Tour de France.


 * At any rate, I think we should shoot for DYK now. The CASCAR article should eventually become an article about the former series, like Radio & Records has become. Thus the new series article should be eligible for DYK. Royalbroil 04:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Open Wheel racing/IRL/CART proposed solution discussion
There is a discussion going on here for any open wheel fans. The discussion is about how to deal with the problem of the number of sanctioning bodies that have sponsored the series, and how to present the transition in Wikipedia. Royalbroil 04:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Tagging talk pages and assessing articles
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