Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 9

NOTED PLAYER
See NOTED PLAYER for a proposal about making Notable Player sections into official guidelines.  RGTraynor  17:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Depth charts
Please help me fill out the rest of the depth charts. But please be careful, and only add players under contract (not including unsigned draft picks). Those templates are shown on the current season pages of the teams. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 17:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How is original research overcome? Chensiyuan (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think the depth charts should be a season-by-season thing; much like the rosters, I think there should be one that changes over time. I say this because the opening day depth charts and last day depth charts will be different.  What's to say the opening day chart is not as important as the last day's?
 * It's the current depth chart. Each season page also has the last day's rosters, so the last day's depth chart would be appropriate. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 17:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There are no templates for each team's season roster (i.e. there is no 2008–09 Atlanta Hawks roster, only Atlanta Hawks roster), so there shouldn't be a template for a season depth chart. There should be Atlanta Hawks depth chart, but not 2008–09 Atlanta Hawks depth chart.  I also contend that each season shouldn't have the roster once the season is complete, it should only have the statistics to show what players were on the team. – X96lee15 (talk) 18:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's just keep it for now and see how it works out. Renaming it is just a matter of seconds. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 19:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, the charts as they stand right now should not have an "inactive" column since there are no players designated as such. Chensiyuan is right too, at this point in time, anything in the table would be OR. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is such a thing called "inactive list", which are players 13 through 15 of a team. Each team can only have 12 active players. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 17:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, but as of right now, in the offseason, there is no "active" or "inactive" players. Putting players in the "inactive" slot isn't right. – X96lee15 (talk) 18:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The depth charts wouldn't be original if they were to have sources such as ESPN, CBS or Yahoo!, but we'd have to decide which one to use as they are all different. —LOL T/C 23:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it looks like all the templates have already been decided to be deleted: Templates for deletion/Log/2008 March 15, so this discussion is moot. The result of the TFD was "subst and delete". – X96lee15 (talk) 19:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But a special template was created for those templates. I think it's a very useful information. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 20:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Assuming the "special template" refers to NBA depth chart, I created that to facilitate the maintenance of the charts and to enforce NBA color, not to have depth charts for every team season. Aren't statistics enough? —LOL T/C 20:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, minutes per game provides the same basic information, and it's easier to verify. That Celtics depth chart is debateable - wasn't Eddie House getting a lot more playing time than Sam Cassell? At least in the playoffs. Zagalejo^^^ 20:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Archive
I think we should archive this talk page and make a new one since at the top it quotes, "WARNING: This page is 55 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." -- K. Annoyomous  24  08:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Dknights411 (talk) 00:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Dennis Rodman, GAC
Long time no see. After my rewrite, Dennis Rodman is now a good article candidate. Input and constructive criticism is appreciated. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 20:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Would drop by over the course of this week. Chensiyuan (talk) 00:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:NBA Year
I've made a template so that when you put, you'll get this:. -- K. Annoyomous  24  01:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Oklahoma City Thunder colors
Which order of colors does the team have? Which is the primary and which is the secondary color? If you look at the main page of the official site, you immediately see light blue as the main color, and if you look at the t-shirts in their store , you can see that light blue is indeed the primary color. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 12:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We have to wait and see their jerseys. Now, we can only guess.--Crzycheetah 18:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

James Naismith (and Los Angeles Lakers), GAC
I have just rewritten the article of the inventor of our favorite sport. Help and constructive criticism are appreciated. PS: Also note the Los Angeles Lakers GAC. Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Kirk Hinrich under GA review
Hello there, the article Kirk Hinrich which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 00:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month
It's not updated yet!!! Steve Nash was last month's. -- K. Annoyomous  24 [c] 05:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Which didn't quite take off... Chensiyuan (talk) 07:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Coaching statistics
I have created a number of standardized coaching record wikitables for current coaches. (I will expand this standardization to past coaches as well if this works) Since the current wikitables in used are pretty similar, I just went ahead and generated the new tables without discussion. The new tables are on User:Chrishomingtang/coaching record template. Any comment are welcomed.—Chris! ct 18:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks great! ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 18:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If nobody oppose, I'll apply these tables to all head coach articles.—Chris! ct 04:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * By all means. Chensiyuan (talk) 11:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Current roster templates
Again I'm having a discussion with User:X96lee15 about Template:Detroit Pistons current roster. He says he is basing the roster off the official roster, but what exactly does he mean? The roster on the official website doesn't get updated sometimes, and Wikipedia's task is not necessarily to copy that, but to give information about actual facts. So this is why the current roster templates should only include players under contract, because only they are on the current roster, and free agents and unsigned draft picks shouldn't be included, for the simple fact that they are not under contract with the team and officially don't belong to it. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 08:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * According to nba.com and espn.com, for example, the Pistons roster includes free agents and unsigned draft picks. According to the nba.com page, it was updated at 9/10/2008, so it's up-to-date.  The "fact" is that the Pistons own the rights to the players, and that is why they are listed on the roster.  Also, there is no reason why Detroit Pistons current roster and Detroit Pistons roster should not match. — X96lee15 (talk) 13:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Detroit Pistons roster can include free agents and unsigned draft picks because it allows us to show exactly who is a free agent or a draft pick. However, it might be confusing to show them on Detroit Pistons current roster since it is the current roster. But X96lee15 did have a point that both templates should match. So, I think the best way to do this would be including free agents and unsigned draft picks on Detroit Pistons current roster, and also denoting who exactly are free agents and unsigned draft picks. But since the template is small, it might be hard to show all that as there isn't enough space.—Chris! ct 00:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly the point, and because as of right now it is not clear who is under contract and who is not, it should only include players under contract. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 08:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the rosters should reflect players ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF THE NBA, including unsigned draft picks, free agents and players the team holds the rights to (regardless of if they're playing for a non-NBA team). Both NBA roster templates should be the same.  I can't see a reason why either should deviate from what is on NBA.com and ESPN.com. — X96lee15 (talk) 15:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it doesn't even matter what I tell you, you always seems to know better. But still I will try to explain it to you again: The roster should not necessarily reflect the roster on the official website, because rosters on official sites are sometimes our-of-date and not accurate, especially during the off-season. For example, Bill Walker of the Boston Celtics was marked as an unsigned draft pick on the Celtics official website even a week after his signing. Of course, this fact was not true. You can't pass out false information on Wikipedia. There is an NBA transaction page where all the official signings are listed, and based on that list, you can find out who is under contract and who is not, and this is the information Wikipedia should reflect.


 * Please do not insinuate that I'm "passing out false information". I'm just "passing out" information as I see from reliable sources.  "I think it doesn't even matter what I tell you, you always seems to know better. But still I will try to explain it to you again".  Try to keep the smugness to a minimum too please.  You're not being very civil. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, so that's all you have to say? I was not attacking you. I am also passing out information as I see from reliable sources, just more accurate information. ●  8 ~  Hype  @ 18:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Then, the two different templates. In Detroit Pistons roster, you actually have the option to denote a players as unsigned draft pick or free agent, in Detroit Pistons current roster you don't. That's why Detroit Pistons current roster should only include players under contract, for the sake of preventing confusion. In other words: Only those players who don't have anything in brackets next to their name in Detroit Pistons roster (except "C" for captain) should appear on Detroit Pistons current roster. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 17:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I give up; it's not worth it. However, the Detroit Pistons roster should match what is on nba.com and I'm going to update it to reflect that.  I imagine Plaisted isn't listed as an unsigned draft pick because he's not technically a Pistons pick. – X96lee15 (talk) 17:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

That's not correct. He is a draft pick (doesn't matter by which team), and yet unsigned. Also, please don't change the date of the last transaction to a fictional one. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 18:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The Detroit Pistons roster does not show him as an unsigned draft pick, so that's why I did not list it on the template. Also, the roster was updated today (Sep 12), so that's why I updated the date.  If a reader sees that the last updated date was in October, they will assume it's a month out of date.  The date should change each time the template is modified. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The date indicates the date of the last transaction. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 18:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't believe that's the best way to do it for the reason I stated above. I can also see some cases where the coaches would change but that would not be listed under transactions.  Also, if the "inactive-ness" of the players are updated during the season, those will not be listed in the transaction log.  In both of those cases, the "date" of the template should be updated.  Also, looking at the history of the template, it looks like you're the one that changed the wording from "updated" to "last transaction".  IMO, it should go back to "updated". — X96lee15 (talk) 18:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was me, because I think the date of the transaction "tips the scales" in this case. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 19:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for NBA
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FYI: Most Popular (=> Most Vandal-prone) NBA articles
According to the Bot message above, here a list of the most popular NBA articles, cutoff at 40k hits:


 * 1) [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|20px]] Michael Jordan 231k hits
 * 2) NBA 130k
 * 3) Kobe Bryant 127k
 * 4) LeBron James 107k
 * 5) Shaquille O'Neal 95k
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol_support_vote.svg|20px]] Magic Johnson 74k
 * 7) [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|20px]] Yao Ming 64k
 * 8) Los Angeles Lakers 51k
 * 9) Boston Celtics 50k
 * 10) Seattle SuperSonics 48k
 * 11) Allen Iverson 47k
 * 12) [[Image:Symbol_support_vote.svg|20px]] Dwyane Wade 47k
 * 13) Kevin Garnett 47k
 * 14) [[Image:Symbol_support_vote.svg|20px]] Wilt Chamberlain 44k
 * 15) [[Image:Symbol_support_vote.svg|20px]] Steve Nash 43k
 * 16) Madison Square Garden 41k
 * 17) [[Image:Symbol_support_vote.svg|20px]] Charles Barkley 40k

All this FYI. A bit attention on these high traffic / vandal prone articles won't hurt. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 19:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Immortal24
This user has been trying to add the Olympics gold medal to the players infobox. I try to revert him and told him that it is redundant as there is another infobox at each player's international career section dedicated to that info. Yet, he kept on doing that. I just want to see what others think about this.—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 20:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Somehow, another user User:WikiKingOfMishawaka start making the same edit.
 * He should stop. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:NBA roster footer
If no strength and athletic coaches are given, there is a space between the last assistant coach and the horizontal line, which shouldn't be the case. I really don't know how to fix it. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 09:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit war: Template:NBA color/doc
I am begging User:71.139.165.115 to stop making disruptive edits, but obviously he has fun with edit wars. The general consesus has the colors of the Oklahoma City Thunder according to my version, the colors of the New Orleans Hornets are already updated in my version (a look at the history will prove that), and the colors of the Golden State Warriors are already correct according to my version. My version was the stable one until he came and decided to have it his own way. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 11:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is you who is making disruptive edits. I am editing according to images provided both on Wikipedia and the NBA website; you are simply going by your own personal preferences. I will try not to touch Oklahoma City.
 * Golden State Warriors: http://www.nba.com/media/warriors/GS1000_Logo.jpg (contributed in a previous discussion by User:LOL ) - #051641, #FFA813, #E13618
 * Clearly two shades of orange, or at least colors that are shifted towards warmer/reddish tones. This has been the case for the past 11 years.
 * New Orleans Hornets: http://www.nba.com/hornets/multimedia/0809WP_brand3_1024x768.html - #019AD6, #FFBA28, #18216C
 * They have switched to "Creole blue", as well as a darker purple and paler yellow. The historic teal color is no longer used.
 * Note that these images come straight from the National Basketball Association website and are consistent with recent team activity. It doesn't get more official than that. 71.139.165.115 (talk) 11:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that these images come straight from the National Basketball Association website and are consistent with recent team activity. It doesn't get more official than that. 71.139.165.115 (talk) 11:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I corrected the colors according to the same two sources you provided, because some of them were still wrong. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 15:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Abbreviations for individual awards
This may be an unimportant issue but I was just wondering if we should change some abbreviations for the indivual NBA awards. Here are the abbreviations according to the articles, Los Angeles Lakers seasons and Chicago Bulls seasons:

The only one I want to change is the abbreviation for the NBA Sportsmanship Award from SPOR to SMSHIP. May be long, but more recognizable. That's all for now. -- <font face="Comic Sans MS"> K. Annoyomous  24  [c] 22:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Each award should have only three or four letters in its abbreviation unless it is not possible to do so. Six letters is too much for the Sportsmanship Award I think.—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 23:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * More alternatives for the NBA Sportsmanship Award smaller than 4 letters: SMS, SMSP, SHIP, SPMS. -- <font face="Comic Sans MS"> K. Annoyomous  24  [c] 02:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, but the second thing is that the abbreviation has to be easily recognizable by readers. What is SMS or SSHIP? No one know what they are right away. SMSP and SPMS might work, but they are similar to SPOR, the one in used right now. So why change it.—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 01:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This is an unimportant issue so now, I don't really care. I just wanted other people's opinion. -- <font face="Comic Sans MS"> K. Annoyomous  24  [c] 02:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Jerry West, GAC
After a rewrite, Jerry West is now a GAC. As usual, feedback and copyediting is appreciated. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 23:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah, not very convenient for me to gnome it at the moment -- would try. Chensiyuan (talk) 06:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Depth chart
Has anyone developed a depth chart template already? – Howard  the   Duck  07:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can find them on each of the 30 current season pages. I have filled them out. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 20:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * These depth charts must also be at the main team pages. – Howard  the   Duck  03:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot when we decided to take depth charts out of the main articles for the NBA teams, but the reason we took the depth charts out of the articles were because they had no reason to be on the main article. Also, it isn't verifiable. I think those two reasons were the main ones, but forgot the others. -- <font face="Chiller" size="3"> K. Annoyomous 24 [c] 03:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yahoo Sports has a section devoted to depth charts so they can be cited as a source.
 * Also can these be templates be edited so that they can be used for other non-NBA basketball team articles?
 * Yes, Yahoo Sports does have a section not it but I don't think that'll be a reliable source, from my stand point of view. Also, yes, the depth chrt templates can edited so that they can be used for other non-NBA basketball team articles. -- <font face="Chiller" size="3"> K. Annoyomous 24 [c] 03:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just as I've thought, the reliable sources madness has come over here and even Yahoo Sports isn't considered as one. If that isn't reliable, then what is? NBA.com? NBA.com isn't a third party source so if you'll interpret WP:RS word-for-word you can't use that.
 * Yes they can be edited but their power isn't maximized fully: for example you can't edit the colors. – Howard  the   Duck  03:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant you can edi the template. I didn't mean use the same template, but you can use the same format. Also, I don't want to be involved with this conversation but I personally think that depth chart dhouldn't be on main NBA team articles. -- <font face="Chiller" size="3"> K. Annoyomous 24 [c] 03:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tried using Template:NBA_depth_chart but I can't change the colors; the colors is transcluded with the team name. If you'll use a team name other than the 30 NBA teams, the colors are black. I think this can be easily remedied so I'm asking permission here to edit the template. 03:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you haven't noticed, you'll have to re-format it. I can tell that you're not familiar with templates, but I really can't help you with trying to make whatever template you're trying to make. I could though, make whatever template you want me to. -- <font face="Chiller" size="3"> K. Annoyomous 24 [c] 04:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem lies in " background-color: # : I think I can edit it to make it " background-color: # to make it use a hex code for colors but I dunno if it'll work. – Howard  the   Duck  04:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it works. I'll try to iron out the kinks so that it can be used in all basketball articles. – Howard  the   Duck  04:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm proposing some discussion on the depth chart topic here: Template talk:NBA depth chart — X96lee15 (talk) 19:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Editing war on Yao Ming
User:Zzmang is currently engaging in an edit war on Yao Ming regarding his height. He claimed that the height on nba.com is wrong and that the nba height cannot be used as a reliable source. I try to explain to him, but he doesn't listen. Could someone look into this issue? That will be great. Thanks —<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 05:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Symbols in keys of season and head coaches lists
Hello, I've noticed at Featured list candidates that recently, it has been suggested that NBA season and head coaches lists add symbols such as an asterisk or a pound sign to the color-coded key to help with accessibility (see Los Angeles Lakers seasons and List of Denver Nuggets head coaches). I was wondering if that could be made into a WikiProject standard so that symbols could be implemented in all season and head coach lists. Let me know what you all think. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that is a good idea.—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 03:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Pacers-Pistons brawl
I think this article is now ready for good article. But since I am not the main editor (User:Bash Kash has improved the article a lot since the fail nom, but he hasn't edit for nearly two months.), I would like to let people know before I nominate.—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 03:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am nominating it since no one objects.—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 00:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fast. Good luck. Chensiyuan (talk) 12:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It passed :)—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 00:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Yao Ming
Currently, there is a problem about the heights recorded by the NBA. Now, the users involved in that dicussion is trying to clear the consensus by renaming "Height" to "Listed height" as there have been problems about the recorded NBA height on NBA.com having false recording. So I will be changing "Height" to "Listed height" in around a week or so if no one replies to this message.

P.S. Sorry about my bad wording. I only have an intermediate understanding of English. -- <font face="Comic Sans MS"> K. Annoyomous  24  [c] 18:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Support (reluctantly)—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 18:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, Chris, this isn't a vote. -- <font face="Comic Sans MS"> K. Annoyomous  24  [c] 19:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I know. I am just supporting this compromise.—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 20:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Transaction date on NBA roster templates
Currently, the transaction date on the NBA roster template (NBA roster footer) says to use the "last date the team template is known to have been updated from above URLs". The "above URLs" refer to the team transaction external link and the team roster external link. As it is written now, it's ambiguous since it's not clear as to use the "last transaction date" or the date listed on the roster. The difference between the two is that the last transaction date is typically weeks/months in the past (the last team transaction) and the roster date is typically the morning of the current day (seems nba.com "updates" their rosters daily).

IMO, the date to use should be the date the Wikipedia roster was updated, since there are other roster events that will not show up in the transactions list (players changing their active/inactive status, players becoming injured, players changing numbers, etc.). Also, even if there are none of those roster events that have occurred, if the last transaction occurred two months ago (for example), then a reader of the roster may assume the roster is out of date, even though it's completely up to date.
 * No, he won't, because it says "last transaction: [...]". ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 16:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I don't understand why even have the date, since it's just from some arbitrary event that is a subset of all "events" that are reflected in the roster. — X96lee15 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The only negative using the more recent date is that potentially the roster date could be updated each day (even if there are no changes). I don't think that will occur, but even if it does, is it a bad thing? It shows the roster has been checked to verify it's up to date per the date listed.

Thoughts? — X96lee15 (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In that case, every team roster needs to be changed to the current date each and every day. That would mean that all teams have the same date, which would make this parameter redundant. This is why the date of the last roster transactions should be used. ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 16:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Each roster wouldn't NEED to be updated every day, but it could be (which is the worst-case I think, just updating the date and nothing else). Looking at the other sports teams rosters, each use "updated date" (Detroit Tigers roster, Green Bay Packers roster).  That seems to work well.
 * However, I'd be all for deleting the parameter. I guess that makes sense since regular articles don't have a date on them. — X96lee15 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

BUMP to hopefully get some more opinions. — X96lee15 (talk) 17:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

NBA rivalries
Could I request that we should make articles of rivalries like the Rockets-Spurs rivalry, Mavericks-Spurs rivalry, Heat-Magic rivalry, and other NBA rivalries. Please help me in making them. Thanks kArLc® (talk) 13:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Once you start I'm sure others would chip in. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to help out wherever I can, specially with Western Conference rivalries. -- $user log (Talk) @ 05:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by $user log (talk • contribs)

Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game
I think this article can potentially be a good article. It just needs some polishing. Anyone want to help?—<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 00:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As one of the main editors, I will try to help. Just know that I am currently quite busy in RL. Onomatopoeia (talk) 20:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Shortlist of things to be changed: expand lead; use cite templates; eliminate the numerous hoophall.com dead links; avoid Bork as a reference; get fair use pic of Wilt holding the scribbled "100"; use more online refs which cover the reaction of Attles, Luckenbill, Meschery etc better... Onomatopoeia (talk) 21:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that the hoophall links are replaced using http://www.archive.org/web/web.php —<font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">Chris! ct 22:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Templates
The player templates is in need of a upgrade: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_NBA_Player/doc .. other pro-leagues have much better looking templates.

MLB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_MLB_player NFL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_NFLactive Football(Soccer): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Football_official —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeJohnson2 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Any suggestions on what can be added to make it up to the standard of the MLB and NFL? The soccer one is basically the same as the NBA. The other two have additional stats on the player, i dont know what can be added.  Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I also don't know what can be added. I recently added the player's salary, but I am out of ideas now. Maybe a new layout would help? ● <font face="broadway" size="3"> 8 ~  Hype  @ 07:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Anything but the current one would be an improvement. Personally I would love to see it have custom team colors like this for every team, player.. Also it wouldn't hurt adding current team uniforms in the template like this, you can get all uniforms from this site: http://sportslogos.net/team.php?id=217. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 12:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Andrés Nocioni under GA review
Hello there, the article Andrés Nocioni which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think one of the main editors for this article is no longer active so the rest of us should pop by and try to salvage it... Chensiyuan (talk) 03:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Depth charts and original research?
FYI: I started a thread here to get others' opinions on the depth charts: WP:No original research/noticeboard. — X96lee15 (talk) 13:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Old depth charts
I nominated all the old depth charts for deletion here: Templates for deletion/Log/2008 October 30. — X96lee15 (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)