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Okip  00:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Bill Vander Zalm translation to Dutch needed
I was surprised on a visit to this article today that there's no Dutch translation, although there's German, French and Finnish ones; Vander Zalm is perhaps the best-known of all Dutch Canadians; I've also posted this request at Dutch Wikipedia.....also, isn't there a village or town in the Rhine Delta called "Zalm" or "Zalm-am-Zee" or something similar? It's not in Dutch Wikipedia.....Skookum1 (talk) 17:04, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Image:NetherlandsEmpire2.png
FYI, Image:NetherlandsEmpire2.png has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.208.247 (talk) 12:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Revolutionary Anti-Racist Action (RaRa)
The lead states: "'The name "RaRa" is said to also mean "Guess who I am" in Dutch'". I absolutely fail to see how "RaRa" can be construed to mean "Guess who I am" in Dutch, or how anyone can get such a weird idea. What is going on there? 80.135.34.101 (talk) 03:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * In the 1950's, when I was a child and the family lived in South Africa, my father (who was Dutch) taught me a game in which the players chant "Ra ra ra wie heeft de ball?". I had never been taught the meaning of "Ra ra ra", but I always udnerstood the meaning of "wie heeft de ball?". Martinvl (talk) 05:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "Ra-" is the first part of the verb "raden". I have little doubt that that is where "ra" comes from. As for the first question, "RaRa" means "guess who I am" because the group's terrorist actions were a kind of a guessing game, a whodunit if you will. Hope this helps. Drmies (talk) 05:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The Afrikaans word for guess is raai. (Afrikaans is derived from the colloquial Dutch that was used in South Africa in the nineteenth and early twentieth century). Martinvl (talk) 07:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. Vernacular Dutch has "raaien." Drmies (talk) 14:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually we use the word "raden" in dutch. "Raden" means "Guess" Btw: a is pronounced as a. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.242.35.45 (talk) 19:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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Some Dutch Wikipedia articles with no English articles
I found some that don't have English articles: WhisperToMe (talk) 00:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * nl:Kees Stip
 * nl:Stip_(gerecht)
 * There is a project page for this purpose at WikiProject Intertranswiki/Dutch and I made a list of fy wiki articles with no English equivalent at WikiProject Intertranswiki/Frisian/no-enlink. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * On the flip side, Design 1047 battlecruiser has no corresponding nl article. :) — Ed   (talk  •  majestic titan)  04:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I just went ahead and added the two to the lists :) WhisperToMe (talk) 10:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Dutch people
A Request for Comments which may be of interest to this Wikiproject is waiting for your input at Talk:Dutch people. Fram (talk) 07:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Help looking for Dutch book
Perhaps this is the wrong place to ask for this kind of help - and I know this does not directly relate to the Netherlands WikiProject, but I was hoping someone might be able to access a book locally and help me with a citation for an article. I am looking for the book Albumdossier: 1969-2002 by Johan van Slooten, a book that does not appear to be in print anymore and is not available in the United States. I wish to know the page number of the book that has information about a U2 album called Achtung Baby, specifically a page that states what the album's charting peak was. I apologize if this request is misplaced, but I figured someone from the Netherlands might be involved in this project and be able to access the book at their local library. Thanks for your understanding. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 14:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Opinion needed
Was the Courante published in the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (The Netherlands)" or in the "Dutch Republic (The Netherlands)"? See Talk:List of newspapers by establishment date Gun Powder Ma (talk) 12:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The holy roman empire lost about all authority over the Netherlands in the 14th century, so a newspaper published in 1618 would fall outside of that political entity. See further comments on talk. Arnoutf (talk) 13:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Enka, North Carolina
I used a Dutch source to confirm that what was in Wikipedia was wrong. Wikipedia was only corroborated by itself and mirror sites. Other sources which I plan to add had a different version. Only the Dutch source confirms that Wikipedia's statement is a myth.

I was advised to ask a native speaker to confirm what an online translation suggested. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * O sorry, did n't realise you would take the ENKA case there; I thought you would post future requests here. My provided translation was done by myself not a machine. Don't worry, your interpretation of the Dutch source is correct. Arnoutf (talk) 10:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

race riots?
In the article on Culemborg there is talk of violent race riots. Since I live there and am also a member of the local fire brigade (so I guess I have some insight in the matter) I think the world 'riots' implicates much and much more than actually happened. Yes, there were tensions, yes, there were fights, yes, there were cars on fire. But if it is on a scale of 3 or 4 streets and an area that can be walked through in 2 minutes I feel the term 'riot' is a gross exaggeration. Especially compared to real riots like in Miami or Paris suburbs both some years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.213.47.11 (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Opera in the Netherlands
Hi all. I'm a member of WP:WikiProject Opera and I have noticed that our coverage of opera in the Netherlands is rather poor. We have an articles on De Nederlandse Opera and its theatre, Stopera, which was established after World War II. However, opera was performed in Amsterdam for several hundred years before that, and there are no articles on any opera houses/theatres from before the construction of the Stopera, which only opened in 1986. Also, we could use articles on other current opera companies in other cites, like the Nationale Reisopera in Enschede, the Stichting Opera Groningen, and Opera Zuid in Maastricht. Any help would be appriciated.4meter4 (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Moving of (politician) articles.
Is there some local guideline reason for these page moves from Joost van Citizen (politician) to Joost van Citizen (XYZ Party), which seem to now be against the WP:QUALIFIER naming convention? The-Pope (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for help on Dutch single charts
Maybe one or more of you good people could shed some lights onto the various singles charts in your country. Please see this discussion over at WP:CHARTS. Many thanks in advance. – Ib Leo (talk) 14:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Netherlands articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Is 2010 Dutch forummers hurricane season for real?
I readily admit I am no expert on the Netherlands, but somebody who is should take a long hard look at this article. It is entirely unsourced and mentions an area of the Netherlands that I cannot find any mention of anywhere on Wikipedia. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, but frankly I have never heard of hurricanes being so far north. Any help/input would be appreciated. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Speed Skating
I figure since the Netherlands performs well at Speed skating, that there might be editors here interested in a WikiProject for the sport. If there are any, I created a proposal where you can vote to support or oppose the creation of such a project! See it here: WikiProject Council/Proposals/Speed Skating. Forgive me if this is inappropriate! Cheers,  on camera (t)  04:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Weepul
Any input at Articles for deletion/Weepul would be useful. Thanks, &mdash; Scientizzle 01:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
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Frikandellen Link
Hello,

I have never suggested an edit before, so I am not sure how one goes about that, but I saw on the link for Frikadellen that it says it was invented in 1959:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frikandel

I just stumbled onto an old "Dr. Oetker's Schulkochbuch" that has a reference to Frikandellen (I think it is the 1920 edition) on page 64. It's in parenthesis after a reference to "Dämpfschnitte."

The copy I got is missing the copyright page, but it has 144 pages, and I saw that # of pages mentioned on a Library of Congress page for the 1920 edition. The later editions, such as the ones in the 1930s had more pages.

I know this cookbook predates 1959 because the cover is in Kurrentschrift and the text is in Fraktur, which was pretty much obliterated from the German script after World War II.

Anyway, I think it was invented much earlier than the article suggests.

Cheers, Sheryl Zettner


 * OK, you're mixing up the Netherlands (with their frikadel, respelled in 2005 to frikandel to better reflect common pronunciation)) and Germany (with their Frikadelle). These are different things. The German variant is a flattened meatball, the Dutch variant started out as a sausage-like meatball (invented in 1954 by Gerrit de Vries; in 1959 "perfected" by giving it a smooth surface by Jan Bekkers (now Jan Beckers)). Whaledad (talk) 19:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Foreign names can be tough to pronounce, could anyone record audio files of the names of these political leaders: Thank you, JamesBrownIsDead (talk) 11:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Job Cohen
 * Femke Halsema
 * Alexander Pechtold
 * Emile Roemer
 * André Rouvoet
 * Mark Rutte
 * Kees van der Staaij
 * Marianne Thieme
 * Maxime Verhagen
 * Geert Wilders


 * Are these still needed? I can help. Whaledad (talk) 19:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Hardingsveld FC
My father went on a football tour in 1968 with an English amateur club called Didcot Town and played a club called Hardingsveld, I am looking for some information on this club so that we can contact them. If you can help that would be really appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.212.75.70 (talk) 11:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you still need this (one year later), but here goes: V.V. Hardinxveld, Sportcomplex Sluisweg, Postbus 139, 3370 AC Hardinxveld-Giessendam; info(at)vvhardinxveld.nl. Whaledad (talk) 00:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Article reference
Hello. Is this web page from "De Tijd", "De Tijd (Netherlands)" or "HP/De Tijd"? Axl ¤  [Talk]  09:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It is nl:De Tijd (België)/De Tijd (it would be good to rename the EN-Wiki article to "De Tijd (Belgium)" to avoid this confusion), a Belgian daily newspaper. Whaledad (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The web page is in Dutch, right? Axl  ¤  [Talk]  09:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It might be Flemmish rather than Dutch, depending on how you define the differences between the two. In practice however there is very little difference between them, rather like UK and US English. Martinvl (talk) 11:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Axl  ¤  [Talk]  10:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Importance Scale
Why does WikiProject Netherlands have not Importance Scale? It seems like it would really help a lot.-- RayqayzaDialgaWeird2210 Please respond on my talkpage, i will respond on your talkpage.    13:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Lodewijk van den Berg
The article on Lodewijk van den Berg says that he "was a naturalized American and no longer a Dutch citizen" at the time he went to space (1985). The accompanying reference (with a dead link) states that "according to Dutch regulations a person automatically loses the Dutch nationality if he voluntarily accepted another nationality before April 1, 2003". But can that retroactively apply to Van den Berg's 1985 flight? Had he really lost his Dutch citizenship at the time he took up American citizenship? Or did he only lose his Dutch citizenship when the current law came into force, which afaik was after the space flight? 83.84.195.88 (talk) 14:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, the text is incomplete. He lost his citizenship based on the Dutch Nationality Act of January 1, 1985. That act was amended in 2003, to create some exceptions. Whaledad (talk) 14:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Help required from Dutch speakers
While updating the article on Lipke Holthuis, I came across a link to a photo of him, which I would like to include in that article. Could a Dutch speaker please confirm that "Het beeldmateriaal is rechtenvrij en in hoge resolutie te downloaden" does indeed mean that the images are available under a free license (presumably PD-author), and offer an opinion as to whether that applies to the photo of Prof. Holthuis, or merely to the images on the linked page. Thanks. --Stemonitis (talk) 08:15, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "Het beeldmateriaal is rechtenvrij en in hoge resolutie te downloaden" does mean that the images are available under a free license, I assume that you can use their pictures. 15:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Minor note: it actually mean the images/video's are licence free and downloadable in high resolution --Pereant antiburchius (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Maarten Maartens
Just a question. Why isn't the article about Maarten Maartens within the scope of the WikiProject Netherlands? Since I wrote it, in 2009, I have always wondered why the WikiProject Netherlands has ignored it. He was Dutch and he was world famous in his time. The Netherlands should be proud of him! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sijtze Reurich (talk • contribs) 11:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Bloeme Evers-Emden
I have just put up a page on Bloeme Evers-Emden using the English-language sources available to me. I invite your editors to improve the article with Dutch-language sources as well. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 16:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

What happened to them ?
I am looking for an information about a former Netherlands construction companty named Koninklijke Nederlandsche Maatschappij Voor Havenwerken which was an important international company of 1950s and 1960s. But the name of the company doesn't appear on web pages. I have a vague idea that the company may have merged to a Spanish company. But other than that, I have  no idea of the company. Any information or even a hint appreciated. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Werkgroepen Wikimedia Nederland
Hallo, mag ik even storen? Wikimedia Nederland gaat van start met nieuwe werkgroepen. Willen jullie misschien kijken op nl.wikimedia.org? Graag bedankt, --Ziko (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Opinion needed
Featured sound candidates/United States Navy Band - Het Wilhelmus - Could a member of this WikiProject give insight into which instruments the anthem is generally played by? — James (Talk • Contribs) • 3:12pm • 05:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Reimerswaal
Yesterday I proposed that the Reimerswaal article should be split into an article about the historic city and an article about the current municipality. I've just thought that I should note it here too, for example I don't know what (if any) naming conventions exist for articles about Dutch places. Thryduulf (talk) 16:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've now carried out this split and disambiguated almost every incoming link. There are a couple of templates that need updating though, Template:Single-column table row (and it's /doc page) and Template:Data Reimerswaal. I don't know how to fix these without breaking them though, sorry! Thryduulf (talk) 08:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I suspect I have fixed the template. adding the article parameter to the data template fixed the others. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Article improvement project for Koninginnedag
Hi, I've been working to improve this article, which is presently a good article nominee, and I hope down the road to nominate for FA. I'd be grateful for reviewers, random comments, I'm not picky!--Wehwalt (talk) 13:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it says it is GA now. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:57, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It is. It's now a Featured Article Candidate (for nomination, click here).  Reviews and commenters would be very welcome.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Split Cabinet Crisis 2006 into new article?
Hi, I recommended this split after reading the Second Balkenende Cabinet article. I thought the topic has enough complexity, context leading up to the cabinet dispute, and consequences to warrant the creation of a new article. This would make it easier for the reader to access the information from all sides - the cabinet perspective and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's perspective - without having to go through multiple pages. What do you guys think? Rabiddog51sb (talk) 00:56, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Rutger Hauer missing
Sorry, I don't know how to fix this, but I noticed that Rutger Hauer is missing from the Dutch actors category page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dutch_actors — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.240.122 (talk) 23:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He is in which is a subcategory of  . SpeakFree (talk)  16:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Walraven van Hall
If anyone is interested, Walraven van Hall needs lots of work. Devcogneuro (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Request
I know this might sound odd, but is there anyone here who can translate a newspaper article for me (from the Haagsche Courant) that I might be able to use as sourcing?  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  14:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Renaming discussion regarding article Het Wilhelmus
The proposed renaming being discussed at Talk:Het Wilhelmus may be of interest to members of WikiProject Netherlands. Favonian (talk) 08:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

List of dutch people, what qualifies as famous and notable?
I noticed in the movies section that dutch oscar winner Michael Dudok de Wit was missing so i added him to the list. I also added animator Paul Driessen and Marten Toonder but i put him in visual arts (since he is foremost a comic creator) But i also noticed no less then four porn actresses, maybe some of them could be called famous or notable, but i had never heard of them.

I would think the goal is a balanced list with people that are relevant in their field on a global scale. Looking at it like this, the four actresses might qualify, but how do you judge this? Peter wassink (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * One way to judge the notability of the subject is to see how many hits the article gets and how many other articles link to it. If they get hardly any hits and have hardly any other links, they are clearly not notable and should be deleted. Martinvl (talk) 21:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Pageview stats
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Netherlands to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at WikiProject Netherlands/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 21:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't bother this project is as dead as the dodo (which you may notice was killed off by Dutch sailors). SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 02:44, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Cross-wiki vandalism at Hoenzadriel
I removed most obvious hoaxing from 92.65.235.195, the article needs a thorough check. NVO (talk) 02:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Template:Dutch Railway station up for deletion
Dutch Railway station has been nominated for deletion as being unused. This is a boilerplate template used to create a Dutch railway station article. It is either supposed to be substituted or used as a preload when creating a new article.

Does you project have an article wizard that loads this as a preload? Or do you have instructions on how to create an article with a substitution boilerplate for creating such articles?

65.94.77.11 (talk) 04:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Computing
Anything else here: Supercomputing_in_Europe? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 17:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

FA Nomination
1740 Batavia massacre, within this project's scope, has been nominated for featured article status at Featured article candidates/1740 Batavia massacre/archive1. Any feedback would be welcome. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Coordinates in Google Earth
Sometimes, no not sometimes anymore bur quite regularly, when I want to see where the object of the article is in Google Earth I get something else instead. Just now I was looking for the "1e Parkhavenbrug, Rotterdam, Nederland" and I ended on the first Parkhaven bridge also in Rotterdam. With the Canal of Drusus, SW of Arnhem in the Netherlands, I think it is somewhere there, because I ended on the Rijndijk near Westervoort in the Netherlands. This happens to me regularly not only here but all over Wikipedia, it might be possible that the canal of Drusus is next to the Rijndijk. But a dijk is a big long stretched heap of, normally clay with sometimes a stone covert base, and a canal is the opposite, it is what is leftover if you build two parallel dikes and you dig in between, or a long narrow hole in the ground with water in it, enough for a ship to float in. So please if you create a link to the position of the object of an article, CREATE one, and not borrow one from something else in the neighbourhood. that creates only confusion, and an encyclopedia is there to create clarity and enlighten people. Please stop turning this into a quiz.

Regards Rudolf O. Roffel

Gesina11 (talk) 21:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Netherlands will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Netherlands's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 22:11, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This project is quite inactive so there's not much chance you will get a response. But good luck with it anyways. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 10:35, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the update. You never know who might get inspired. Thanks for letting me know SpeakFree! SarahStierch (talk) 00:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Citing Monumentenregister
Prompted by another editor's request, I created Cite Monumentenregister which can be used to easily create either full citations or inline links to the Monumentenregister database. I hope someone finds it useful. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 09:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

History of the Netherlands (1939–1945)
Somebody might want to take a look at recent edits to the article, , there appears to be some weirdness going on. Volunteer Marek 18:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Reverted and protected. That kind of information needs multiple reliable sources to confirm it – otherwise it sounds like a single very odd historian's thesis. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

New article: Rural parliament
I have started a new article which deals with the Dutch rural parliament, among others. Please review, contribute and expand. Additional quality refs highly welcome.Mais oui! (talk) 04:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

New article: Bernard Loder
Hello. Normally I don't add the banner of a wikiproject that I don't participate in to an article's talk page, but your scope indicates generally any article related to the Netherlands is within the scope. Bernard Loder was a justice on the country's supreme court for over a decade, represented the Netherlands at multiple maritime conferences, and served as a delegate to the 1919 Paris Peace Conference. I came across him while looking for missing article related to international law, in this case, judges in the list Judges of the Permanent Court of International Justice that did not yet have articles on the English Wikipedia. Nearly all of what you see now was taken by translating the German Wikipedia article on Loder, with changes made for grammer/meaning. Please take a look and see if you can provide any improvement. IMHO (talk) 01:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge: Stoemp and Stamppot
hi everyone. I have proposed the merge of these two pages, acoording to the redirect that already exists on nl.wiki, and similar comments/evidences on the internet and also on a discussion page on fr.wiki. The merge has been proposed in parallel also on fr.wiki, it.wiki and es.wiki. the proposed main title would be stamppot (sorry Belgium :) )--Alexmar983 (talk) 12:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Sorry, I just realized I didn't even have this page on my watchlist. Looking at the articles, I vote to keep both. Euh, no offense to the Dutch, but given my choice, I would go for the Stoemp over the Stamppot in any restaurant any day. This is because in general I find Belgian cooking better. Ahum, that said, let me remind you that this is the ENGLISH Wikipedia, and we like to take care of the poor Belgians who are one of the rare European countries without a separate Wikipedia and as I type, no Wikimedia chapter. They tend to get hammered a lot at the Dutch Wikipedia, and this looks like a prime example. Even though Stamppot was started (supposedly) at the end of the siege of Leiden, I think merging this with the Belgian dish is downright wrong. When a country takes a culinary idea and brings it to new heights, this should be rewarded with a culinary Wikipedia page! Jane (talk) 05:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Hooglandse Kerk
I propose changing the foto of the Hooglandse Kerk. The current foto seems overexposed.

Foto's
Any preferences or concerns about making this change? PeteBobb (talk) 17:43, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Go ahead, I trust your judgement! In future, please add comments and questions to the bottom, not the top of the page. Also, for a specific question like this, you should put your question on the talk page of the object in question, and if you don't get a response within a few weeks or so, just be bold and change it. Jane (talk) 20:17, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Word origin question
I'm wondering if anybody that speaks Dutch could comment on the origin of the name of a local creek called the Poesten Kill. Kill is obviously old Dutch for creek, but I have conflicting evidence regarding the first part of the name. One of the sources states that Poesten means "frothy", "foamy", or "bubbly" in old Dutch. (The other source says it comes from the name of a local farmer, which is probably more likely.) Can anyone comment on whether or not they're familiar with the word poesten meaning frothy (or anything else, for that matter) in Dutch?  upstate NYer  23:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Kill is indeed a old word, it isn't used anymore in the Dutch language and I don't know what Poesten means, I actually have never heard about it before, because there is no such word (in modern Dutch). 15:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply!  upstate NYer  00:44, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Kil is still used in some geographic names e.g. Sluiskil and Dordtsche Kil. SpeakFree (talk) 16:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * My 'thick Van Dale' dictionary says that 'Poesten' means 'blazen' or 'hijgen', which translate to the English 'blow' or 'panting'.
 * But, please note that I had to look in the dictionary to find this definition.
 * Trying to free associate, a panting horse could be foaming at the mouth, leading to a meaning of 'frothy' or 'foamy'...
 * I hope that this helps...
 * PeteBobb (talk) 21:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

New Portal: Portal:Amsterdam
Hello! I started Portal:Amsterdam. Would anyone be interested in adding content? WhisperToMe (talk) 03:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Aegir-03s.jpg
file:Aegir-03s.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.225 (talk) 05:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Dutch Mauritius
Is Talk:Dutch Mauritius and Talk:Governor of Dutch Mauritius a top-importance article to your project? As a minor colony, it seems strange to me that it's rated as such. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 08:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, all locations surrounded by water are considered top importance. I would go further to state that locations formerly surrounded by water, such as Urk, should also have top importance. Jane (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So, should I mark New Amsterdam (due to the canal that cut the fortified town off from the rest of the island) and Dutch East Indies and Netherlands Antilles as top-importance articles for WPNETHERLANDS? (And any other articles I may find in my travels on WikiPedia) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 12:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not? Personally I would judge those articles to be top-importance to this project, as they comprise actual land areas that belong to the Netherlands core corpus of history. In many cases, I would also judge certain Belgian towns (like Antwerp) to be of top importance to this project as well. There is no agreed policy on the importance grading system, BTW. Jane (talk) 16:57, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. That's more generous than most WikiProjects out there, so that's why I asked. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 21:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Belgian Dutch
The name of Belgian Dutch dialects is up for discussion, see talk:Belgian Dutch dialects -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 05:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Aruban people, Curaçao people, Sint Maarten people
It's proposed to rename, and  - see the discussion here. Le Deluge (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Dutch monarchs move discussion
Please join in: Talk:Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands DBD 15:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

"Flanders topics" section
Hi - this section at the bottom on Belgian geography and government is misleading.

Zeelandic Flanders is part of the Netherlands, not Belgium (it's geographically in Flanders, but politically in the Netherlands). So linking it to the other Dutch provinces would be more meaningful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.203.75 (talk) 07:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to the link to Zeelandic Flanders in the Template:Flanders topics, then it clearly states that it is a "Neighbouring and historical region", which is correct, so I don't see the problem. If you click on the link, it also states correctly that it is a region of the Netherlands. Are you objecting to the use of this template on that page? Or the lack of a similar Dutch template to place above it? The problem there is that the land mass does not match up with the Dutch provinces template, because Zeeland is much bigger. Jane (talk) 08:14, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Dutch boy bands
in the category Dutch boy bands there are only six mentioned. I have found reference to a 7th but don't know to link it:

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.E.D.&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwelles%2Bwelles%2Bverliefd%2Bgeweest%26biw%3D1095%26bih%3D658

87.112.98.46 (talk) 17:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC) Andrew

Dutch boy bands
in the category Dutch boy bands there are only six mentioned. I have found reference to a 7th but don't know to link it:

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.E.D.&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwelles%2Bwelles%2Bverliefd%2Bgeweest%26biw%3D1095%26bih%3D658

87.112.98.46 (talk) 17:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC) Andrew

Dutch Language Union
has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Lof Der Zotheid 500jr Munt 2011.png
image:Lof Der Zotheid 500jr Munt 2011.png has been nominated for deletion and NFCC review, see Possibly_unfree_files/2013_September_10 and WP:NFCR -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 05:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Eleanor of Guelders.jpg
image:Eleanor of Guelders.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 11:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Singer or actor?
Sorry to ask, but is Ron Link (entertainer) notable as a Dutch singer, or Dutch actor, or perhaps as a "television personality"? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no idea and I don't recognize him by face or name at all. Try posting your query in English on the Village pump on the Dutch Wikipedia ("De Kroeg"). Jane (talk) 13:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Stedelijk Museum, Amsterdam Project - please help!
Hi Wikipedians,

I'm a member of a Cornell University student project aimed at improving the quality of the Stedelijk Museum Amsterdam page, currently classified as a C-Class Article. Over the next week or so, myself and two others (Wdevriescornell and eas295) will be researching and updating the page, and we'd like your help. We would love it if you guys critiqued our edits and discuss them with us on this talk page if you disagree or think we can improve somehow. Because we're still learning and we will be graded on our work, please don't just delete or redact our changes without giving us an explanation why you did on the museum's talk page. If you're interested in helping us out, please add the Stedelijk Museum Amsterdam page to your Watchlist and feel free to post there or in my own personal talk page. We would really appreciate any help you can give!

IchiniSanti (talk) 01:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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The usage of and  and  is under discussion, see talk:Veterans Day (United States).

Indirectly, this concerns also. -- 签名 sig  at  08:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Please create Quarles van Ufford
Hi. Can someone who speaks Dutch please translate this page into English? I've tried to do Google Translate, but it's really bad, here's the result: "The lineage begins with the coming of Norfolk William Quarles whose son John is listed as 1524 and that was in 1570, ships of the lake copper guild in London. A direct descendant, William ( 1688), born in England, was in the service of the VOC , settled in the Netherlands and was in 1670 ships Schieland : he was the father of the Dutch branches : a grandson , William ( 1717 - 1781 ) , was the ancestor of the branch Baronale the Quarles Quarles , another grandson , Louis ( 1719-1781 ) , was the ancestor of the untitled noble branch Quarles van Ufford.

William Quarles the Quarles (1717-1781) was on October 14, 1751 elevated to Baron des HRRijks. On September 16, 1815 elevation followed in the Dutch nobility for various descendants of William ( 1688), according to the first nobility list was Pieter Willem Louis Quarles the Quarles ( 1758-1826 ) granting the title of baron at all ( while on the branch Quarles van Ufford deserve only the predicate ).

Since 1992 belongs Alexandre Quarles van Ufford (1956 ) and his descendants to the Belgian nobility, he was a son of the Dutch ambassador Bryan Quarles van Ufford ( 1920-1975 ) who was married to the Belgian jkvr. Marie - Emilie van der Linden d ' Hooghvorst ( 1918-1991 ) ."

This sounds like gibberish to me--could you PLEASE retranslate it and create the page? Thank you. Please write on my talkpage if you can help.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:44, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Anybody? Please?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Blind Leading the Blind (Bruegel) Peer Review
Hello. Soliciting feedback and other help with the article for Pieter Bruegel the Elder's painting The Blind Leading the Blind. Any and all comments would be appreciated. I'm aiming this at FA, so feel free to split hairs. The review is here.Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:26, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Query re volcano
The article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuidwal_volcano states that the 'extinct' volcano Zuidwal was discovered because of temperature differences at 2km depth, namely 130 deg where 100 was expected. I did geology at college a long time ago (47 years) so I may be wrong but the inference here is that magma is causing the temperature difference. At that depth I believe this should be more correctly designated 'dormant' if that is the case.

Reddogbarking (talk) 10:13, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In this case the volcano is last active in the Jurassic. So it is well and truly dormant with no magma.  However temperature differences could be due to differences in heat conduction in different kinds of rocks.  Perhaps the sedimentary rock is more insulating and the volcanic rock more conductive, drawing up heat from below. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:37, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

English exonyms for place names
English_exonyms. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Which ones in particular do need to be checked? CRwikiCA  talk 14:31, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

"Dutch Singers-songwriters" category
In the category "Dutch Singers-Songwriters" Ana Popovic is listed there too although she is Serbian and not Dutch. The category is not named "Dutch Bands" - if that was the case placing her there would possibly make sense since she formed a band in the Netherlands some years ago (she now lives in the US). I don't know, I just thought it's a bit odd really, any thoughts appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by VasVel (talk • contribs) 19:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe you can approach this in the following way. If Ana Popović didn't have the Dutch nationality, she should not be listed in any Dutch categories as a person. If her band was based in the Netherlands, an article about her band should be listed in Dutch categories. – Editør (talk) 09:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

The Gerbrandy Tower
The Gerbrandy Tower (Dutch: Gerbrandytoren) is a tower in IJsselstein, the Netherlands. It was built in 1961.

Should this say in IJsselstein, the Netherlands or IJsselstein, Netherlands? What do people think? I've seen it written both ways. Robert4565 (talk) 05:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * In this case, I would choose the longer form of "in IJsselstein in the Netherlands", but I think your two options are fine too and you can pick any one you like. – Editør (talk) 09:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Archiving
I've enabled automatic archiving for this talk page. Posts will be archived after they are inactive for 31 days. Is this period too short? – Editør (talk) 11:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The time seems fine, I included a minimum of 5 threads left, so the talk page wouldn't seem to empty. CRwikiCA  talk 14:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thread minimum. I saw that WT:GER uses a period of three months, I think this is a better time, so I'll change it for now. – Editør (talk) 16:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Vital articles
I've made a list of vital articles within the scope of this project: WikiProject Netherlands/Vital articles. – Editør (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It is an interesting list, if the project were more active, we could try to start a collaborative effort to improve some of these articles. CRwikiCA  talk 19:36, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You are probably right, although we could try and ask for help from other projects related to a selected article. – Editør (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * A logical start would be the 3 level-3 articles. Even though my time to spend on it is relatively limited. If we have a few editors working together it might help it along more smoothly. CRwikiCA  talk 14:22, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I seems logical, but it will also be hard, because there is so much literature about Rembrandt or Van Gogh. Perhaps it is easier to begin at the articles with the lowest class, currently Start class, and try to improve those five articles to the next class, in this case to C class. – Editør (talk) 16:35, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That seems to be another logical approach, to sweep up. Possibly bringing everything to B-class first and then only later on carefully improve articles to GA an FA status, which would be a lot more work. I think B-class is a good aim, because it could even be argued that most of the current Start-class are actually at the C-class level already. CRwikiCA  talk 17:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, B class is preferred if that guarantees quality improvement. – Editør (talk) 09:52, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, now it's a matter of seeing whether we can find some people and to determine what order we would want to start doing this. CRwikiCA  talk 17:38, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Een beetje or 'n Beetje?
Please weigh in at Talk:Een beetje. —  AjaxSmack  02:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox government cabinet
Template:Infobox government cabinet has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox cabinet. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update
As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at ~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man ) 05:18, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

FPC Goliath windmill
The members of this project might be interested in Featured picture candidates/Goliath windmill. – Editør (talk) 10:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 19/03
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Vrijzinnige Geloofsgemeenschap NPB. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 03/03
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Papaverhof. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It got rejected for some reason so I created a stub. Jane (talk) 13:37, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for going through the trouble. This should never have been rejected. Would it be possible to include some of the content in that submission to expand this stub? Perhaps we should contact the original creator, if he or she's still around. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:59, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The original article was resurrected fortunately, though the way that happened is pretty strange: the article apparently was not "rejected" but "declined", and somehow both me and the original creator were supposed to understand that nuance. Anyway, the fix entailed a merge of both articles, but I just discovered that my stub got lost in the merge process. I am sorry, but this experience just reinforces my belief that *any* time I spend on the AfC process, its would-be articles, or any of the terminology used in its complicated queues and so forth, are just a waste of my editting time. Jane (talk) 09:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

AfD
The Barendrecht train accident article has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

FPC Mudflat hikers
The members of this project might be interested in Featured picture candidates/Mudflat hikers. – Editør (talk) 10:37, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

FPC A Polish Nobleman
The members of this project might be interested in: Featured picture candidates/A Polish Nobleman. – Editør (talk) 10:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study
Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 02:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC).

AfC submission - 20/04
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dorst. It needs some references, but looks acceptable. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 12:37, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

FPC The Milkmaid
The members of this project might be interested in: Featured picture candidates/The Milkmaid. – Editør (talk) 09:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Find sources?
Hi! I was wondering if any of you could help me find sources for the article Achtste Groepers Huilen Niet. I created this after seeing it in mention to another film based on the same book (Kule Kidz Gråter Ikke, if any of you are fluent in Norwegian and want to help look for sources), but I'm running into sourcing issues. I've established notability via the awards but I'd really like to have more information on the film in general. Can anyone help find sources? I don't speak any other language than English when it comes down to it, so I'm hampered by Google Translate. Any help I could get would be absolutely wonderful. I'm going to try to make an article for the book as well, so if anyone does speak Norwegian or can help find articles about the book in any other language, that would be great as well! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I could also use help on the article for the author, Jacques Vriens. I've pulled some information from the Dutch WP, but I'm running into the same issue with translation and finding sources. Google just doesn't seem to like pulling up Dutch sources, but that's a common problem with searching in most non-English languages, I've found. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:41, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll make a translation of the section "Levensloop" for you to see what we can use from that for the Jacques Vriens article. Redalert2fan (talk) 10:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Done, it might be a bit rough and have some spelling mistakes but here you go: User:Redalert2fan/Jacques Vriens - Redalert2fan (talk) 10:54, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm going to try to take a look at it later on today. I have to say, sometimes stuff like this reminds me of how English-centric the English Wikipedia is at times, as this guy looks to be the Beverly Cleary/Judy Blume of the Netherlands as far as popularity goes and there wasn't really much out there about him on this WP. Not that everyone should necessarily know every author in every country, but it reminds me of how far we have to go before we're really covering everything there is to cover out there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   13:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 05/05
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ammersoyen Castle. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Amsterdam Banking Crisis of 1763. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

FPC Girl in a White Kimono
The members of this project might be interested in: Featured picture candidates/Girl in a White Kimono. – Editør (talk) 18:00, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Due to a lack of votes, the candidate was not promoted. – Editør (talk) 13:10, 13 May 2014 (UTC)