Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Netherlands/Archive 4

Article for improvement
I suggest that we start selecting an article for improvement. While considering our previous discussion, I think we should not limit ourselves to vital articles. An 'article for improvement' could be selected from all articles within the scope of WP:NL. I think the criteria for selection should be: I would like to hear your thoughts on this. – Editør (talk) 09:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) two or more users are willing to collaborate on the article
 * 2) the article is likely to be improved considerably
 * I agree that we start such a collaboration, we might need to peek at other Wikiprojects to see how they approach it and what format would work best (fixed time frame/target quality). I do agree we should not necessarily limit ourselves to the vital articles, but it is probably desirable to pick articles that are highly relevant and have a relative high amount of page views.  CRwikiCA  talk 14:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could collaborate on Netherlands at the 2014 Winter Olympics? – Editør (talk) 11:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems like a good article to start with yes. The following manual of style might be of interest WikiProject_Olympics/Manual_of_Style_%28Games_summary_%E2%80%93_Nations%29. CRwikiCA  talk 14:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

We could collaborate on this article: Dutch municipal elections, 2014. – Editør (talk) 11:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be a good candidate indeed. CRwikiCA  talk 13:35, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should differentiate between articles about current/recent events within the scope of this project, which are a specific category, and all other articles within the scope of the project. – Editør (talk) 20:04, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, do you suggest to improve current events collaboratively? CRwikiCA  talk 20:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That could be a task of this project, alongside a periodically selected article for improvement. – Editør (talk) 09:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems like a good idea, with the notion that the current events are not targeted for GA/FA per se, but are meant to keep information about The Netherlands up-to-date. CRwikiCA  talk 13:14, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've attempted a description about the AfI and current/recent events. – Editør (talk) 15:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Nominations

 * Theo Heemskerk – Goal: – Editør (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Zeeland – Goal: – Editør (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Drenthe – Goal: – Editør (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hutspot – Goal: – Editør (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I think the provinces are easiest to improve, so we might want to start with those. CRwikiCA  talk 18:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I suggest we select the article Drenthe as the Article for Improvement in April. – Editør (talk) 23:37, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's do it. CRwikiCA  talk 23:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * We could notify some previous contributors of the article and active members of this project to this month's Article for Improvement. – Editør (talk) 08:58, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be good to get some additional people on this as well yes and start with notifying the members on the list. CRwikiCA  talk 13:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've notified the members that were listed in 2013 or 2014. – Editør (talk) 10:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Nominations for May 2014

 * Huis Doorn – Goal: – Editør (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Rottumeroog – Goal: – Editør (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Let's nominate articles for next month's Article for Improvement. – Editør (talk) 16:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We might want to choose one of the three left from the previous list. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 19:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * To make this collaboration work, we need more people that are actively involved. – Editør (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, I unfortunately am limited with time, but I will try to add where I can. Having a couple more editors would be helpful. Rottumeroog seems a good candidate indeed. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 18:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I suggest we select Rottumeroog as this month's article. Do you think the goal is feasible? – Editør (talk) 01:31, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The goal is quite ambitious and might only be feasible if we get some more collaborators in. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 13:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have notified the other projects (Frisia, Islands, Protected areas). – Editør (talk) 14:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've also posted links to some useful (Dutch language) documents on the article's talk page. – Editør (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

20,000+ pages
Over 20,000 pages are now associated with this project! More details on WikiProject Netherlands/Assessment. – Editør (talk) 22:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Title of States-Provincial
A discussion is taking place on the title of this article at Talk:States-Provincial. All input welcome. Thank you. <sup style="color:green;">walk <i style="color:green;">victor falk</i><i style="color:green;">talk</i> 01:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move notification
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Dutch solar bicycle paths
There's some Dutch-language sourced content needs developing at Smart highway, and some older related discussion at US Company Talk:Solar Roadways. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:53, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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FPC Delftsevaart in Rotterdam
You can now vote for Featured picture candidates/Delftsevaart in Rotterdam. – Editør (talk) 10:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we need a few more votes. There are far too few featured pictures from Rotterdam, so this would be a great addition. – Editør (talk) 08:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The image was promoted! – Editør (talk) 12:20, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

FPC Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers
You can now vote on Featured picture candidates/Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers. – Editør (talk) 14:20, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

FPC Investiture of Willem-Alexander
You can now vote on Featured picture candidates/Investiture of Willem-Alexander. – Editør (talk) 19:30, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This candidate has two support votes, and probably needs one or two more positive votes to be promoted. – Editør (talk) 12:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The image was not promoted. – Editør (talk) 09:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Sources needed
Please help add sources to Hollanditis. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 03:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for reassessment
Requesting a reassessment of OV-chipkaart, which has been substantially rewritten and expanded. Many thanks. BluLex (talk) 06:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The article has much improved. I've reassessed it as C-class. I will also make some suggestions on the article's talk page for further improvements. – Editør (talk) 10:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Delta Works and Zuiderzee Works, or Flood control
There is a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Expanded about adding Delta Works and Zuiderzee Works, or Flood control in the Netherlands as vital articles. – Editør (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Flood control in the Netherlands is now a vital article. – Editør (talk) 11:08, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Rijksmuseum and Van Gogh Museum
There is also a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Expanded about adding Rijksmuseum and Van Gogh Museum. – Editør (talk) 23:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The nomination of the Rijksmuseum needs a few more votes. – Editør (talk) 17:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Johannes Diderik van der Waals
You can vote on the nomination of Johannes Diderik van der Waals at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Expanded. – Editør (talk) 11:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for reassessment
Requesting reassessment of Transport in the Netherlands, which I have substantially rewritten and expanded in the last month. Thanks in advance. --84.106.90.249 (talk) 09:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks good, however, going from C to B is a rather big deal. As it is now I have serious problems with the sections:


 * "Merchant marine" -- No sources / no readable prose. This needs expansion. (or alternative needs to be removed altogether). Also unclear whether this includes river trade a major Dutch transport sectors.


 * "Pipelines" -- Again no source and no prose. Either expand. The dense gas pipelines to almost every home is interesting e.g. Alternatively remove.


 * "Government" again no sources. Additionally, this is not completely true as provincial wegen are under provices and local street under municipality. So this sections needs considerable expansion.


 * "Economics" somewhat cryptic. Is this about truck transport or also about train goods transport, shipping and air cargo? Or does it also include the economics of passengers traffic. This needs serious expansion and clarification.


 * With these sections this problematic I am afraid I cannot yet promote to B level. Arnoutf (talk) 11:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick and thorough response. Would the new pages Road transport in the Netherlands and Roads in the Netherlands fall within the scope of WikiProject Netherlands ? --84.106.90.249 (talk) 11:51, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * They would. But honestly looking at them I would have probably rated those C as well, in particular because sourcing in large sections is not ok. (See here for an idea what articles have to have for each level WikiProject_Netherlands/Assessment) Arnoutf (talk) 12:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * So you've decided not to include them, because they're not at least B class ? --84.106.90.249 (talk) 12:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Just not did it immediately - added them now. By the way feel free to tag relevant articles yourself/become member of project Netherlands. It is probably a good idea to make a username in that case as IP addresses are not very stable. Arnoutf (talk) 12:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Miss Nederland
Miss Nederland says that Reshma Roopram was Miss Nederland in 2001, but the new article Irena Pantelic says that Ms. Pantelic was, and seems to have sources. Can someone who speaks the language please figure out which claim is correct? --Cerebellum (talk) 22:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * To make life complicated, there are 2 miss Nederlands. One goes to the (international) miss universe pageant (Reshma Roopram) the other to the miss world pageant (Irena Pantelic). The Miss Nederland page lists miss world nominees only back to 2005 hence ms Pantelic is missing in that list. If someone wants to fix it, please go ahead. Arnoutf (talk) 08:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses
Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 04:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Did the race things - not that CBS distinguishes those. Languages I left open for now, someone else? Arnoutf (talk) 08:57, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * thanx!--Kaiyr (talk) 09:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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"Netherland Dwarf"
FYI, the usage of "Netherland Dwarf" is up for discussion, see Talk:Flemish Giant -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 06:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

"Dutch Landrace"
FYI, the usage of "Dutch Landrace" is up for discussion, see Talk:Dutch Landrace -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 06:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Requesting assessment
Today 1 September was the birthday of Willem Frederik Hermans, and on this date the Start Class article Beyond Sleep (Nooit meer slapen) has been expanded with sourced material only, so that now there is very little unsourced material in the article.MackyBeth (talk) 17:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree is better now. I promoted it to C. Language needs thorough copyedit by native speaker for higher rating as it reads somewhat awkwardly. Arnoutf (talk) 18:24, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Vital article nomination of Michiel de Ruyter
You can now vote on the level-4 vital article nomination of Michiel de Ruyter at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Expanded. – Editør (talk) 11:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The nomination of Michiel de Ruyter needs additional votes. – Editør (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It needs one more vote in support. – Editør (talk) 10:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Utrecht
Suggest to improve Utrecht. Currently B class; target GA. Most texts appear more or less complete but sourcing lacks in places. Also some more high quality pictures could help. Arnoutf (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * All previous nominations were geography-related articles, so I would prefer something different for the next article for improvement. – Editør (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Which is the correct spelling???
Guusje Van Mourik or Guus van Mourik which is the correct spelling for this Dutch female? Dwanyewest (talk) 05:23, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * For Wikipedia, considering the sources, I would go for Guusje although that is may not be the name in her passport. (Guusje is the diminutive of Guus in Dutch; which is sometimes added to chilrden' s names (and it may stick after that), also to feminize an ambivalent name like Guus). Arnoutf (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * See also van (Dutch). – Editør (talk) 20:37, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Requesting assessment
Hi all. On Marietje Schaake, an MEP, her political assistant has been editing the article. I'm not sure it's all for the better. Regards, Sander1453 (talk) 06:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've placed maintenance banners at the top of the article and a notification about two connected contributors on the article's talk page. – Editør (talk) 09:47, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And taking into account all its issues, I've assessed the article as Start class. – Editør (talk) 10:03, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

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FPC William III of the Netherlands
You can now vote on a portrait of William III of the Netherlands as featured picture candidate on Featured picture candidates/William III of the Netherlands. – Editør (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Engelse Wikipedia artikel
Beste lezers,

Voor het engels artikel over het Centraal Planbureau heb ik een grote aanpassing geplaats op het talk gebied.

Op langer termijn zou ik deze ook naar het nederlands willen brengen, maar daarvoor wil ik eerst het huidige artikel inhoudelijk correct hebben en taal technisch.

Als er mensen zijn die erop zouden willen reageren zou dat zeer welkom zijn.

onderstaand de link naar de engels talk pagina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bureau_for_Economic_Policy_Analysis

Met vriendelijke groet, Quirienraat (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Generally a major improvement compared to what there was before. It needs some copyedits though, mainly to improve English style. I had a quick go but as I am no native speaker my English is far from perfect. Arnoutf (talk) 19:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

AfD Natalie La Rose
The article Natalie La Rose is being considered for deletion at Articles for deletion/Natalie La Rose. – Editør (talk) 18:10, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

FPC Flowers in a Terracotta Vase
The still life painting Flowers in a Terracotta Vase of Dutch painters Brandt and Eelkema is a featured picture candidate on Featured picture candidates/Flowers in a Terracotta Vase, but it needs additional votes to pass. – Editør (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The second nomination for this painting is likely to be promoted: Featured picture candidates/Blooms in a Terracotta Vase. – Editør (talk) 12:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

AfD Historici.nl
The article Historici.nl is being considered for deletion at Articles for deletion/Historici.nl. – Editør (talk) 08:28, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Article about Duisenberg School of Finance
Dear all, I have come across this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duisenberg_School_of_Finance and made several structural changes. Although I still believe that the article could be significantly improved. Therefore, I ask for help from fellow wikipedians to assist with editing. Please help expand the content, realign the references and the accuracy of the article. Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbal.noun (talk • contribs) 16:54, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Earthquakes
I noticed that there isn't a general article about earthquakes in the Netherlands. The only related earthquake article is 1992 Roermond earthquake. A broader article could also cover the earthquakes that are occurring in Groningen since the 1980s, whose magnitudes (up to 3.6) might not merit individual articles but are interesting enough as a phenomenon collectively. – Editør (talk) 11:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've created the article. – Editør (talk) 11:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Jørgen Christensen-Dalsgaard
The article for the Danish astrophysicist Jørgen Christensen-Dalsgaard has been marked as start class by WikiProject Netherlands. However, he doesn't, as far as I know, have any strong association with the Netherlands. Is this possibly a misclassfication? Warrickball (talk) 11:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you are right. His online CV says he was born in Kolding, Denmark. I've changed the project. – Editør (talk) 11:48, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Sjaak Rijke
It is proposed that the article Sjaak Rijke is merged into the article Timbuktu three. See Talk:Timbuktu three for the discussion. – Editør (talk) 19:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Sloterdijk train collision
A section of the article has been tagged as needing more references. I'm pretty sure that the OVV report is the source (ref #13), but my Dutch isn't as good as I'd like it to be. Can a Dutch-speaking editor confirm my suspicions please. Mjroots (talk) 07:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Amber (performer) listed at Requested moves
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Language topic under Dutch whaling is over the top: Fering
"Dutch culture and language were also exported by whalers from abroad who hired on Dutch vessels. E.g. the North Frisian dialect Fering adopted a number of popular Dutch and West Frisian personal name forms,[18] and many loanwords from the Dutch language to Fering are still in use today. It has been observed that apart from Afrikaans, no other language outside the Netherlands proper has been influenced as much by the Dutch language as the North Frisian insular dialects." I really cannot see a role for this linguistic stub in the context of Whaling in the Netherlands. Without an additional argument, it should be left out. A statement may be true, but is it relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.87.242.222 (talk) 05:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Help finding sources?
Hey, I was wondering if anyone had heard of the Joris Jofel series. It looks like it was released in the US under the title of Leo Leggins (Leo Leggins book series), but I found sources that makes it look like it was originally a Dutch series. I'll see what I can find, but I anticipate a pretty large language barrier here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Does this help? Jane (talk) 08:46, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Not really- I can find where this has been published but I can't really find where there's been a lot of coverage for this series. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * On a side note, the English language covers are pretty awful. Have you seen them? If not for the titles and the one source that shows that they're the same, I'd have thought that they were a ripoff or a completely separate series. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thousands of cityscape and other images of the Netherlands may be deleted from Commons
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Dutch East Indies
Do all articles related to the Dutch East Indies fall within the scope of this project? Some articles to consider and which currently have a WikiProject Netherlands banner are (1) Java War (1741–43), (2) Lie Kim Hok, (3) Sierk Coolsma, (4) Pah Wongso, (5) Nugroho Notosusanto, and (6) Union Films. – Editør (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Rotterdam relationship to a Zevenhuizen help needed
In the Government of Rotterdam article is an ambiguous link to a "Zevenhuizen"; this is one of the longest-lasting dablinks in Wikipedia; it's in a problem category of dablinks Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation from June 2011. In the article:"* 1978 won and lost territory to the municipality Capelle aan den IJssel and territory from the municipality of Zevenhuizen"

I see on the Zevenhuizen dab page there is a hamlet Zevenhuizen, Kaag en Braassem in South Holland and also there is a village Zevenhuizen, Zuidplas in South Holland, but neither of these seem to be adjacent to Rotterdam. Elsewhere in the world sometimes a city annexes non-adjacent property of a faraway water reservoir or of other key service to the city, so the Zevenhuizen meant could be one of these, perhaps? Any help would be appreciated, alsjeblieft. :) -- do ncr  am  12:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Aah, the joy of merging and renaming municipalities. This is about Zevenhuizen-Moerkapelle (which is the 1991 merger of Zevenhuizen with Moerkapelle). Without Dutch Wikipedia and some Googling in Dutch I would not have found it either. I will fix it on the Rotterdam page. Arnoutf (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

orenkomp.ru
___123___Editing Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Netherlands (new section) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia___123___ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.215.173.75 (talk) 11:47, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Swalm river
Input at Talk:Swalm (Maas), now twice relisted, would be appreciated. TIA.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewa (talk • contribs) 19:47, 9 August 2015‎

What is ZAF in the List of place names of Dutch origin?
This Wikipedia doesn't explain.Xx236 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Xx236, I think it means Zuid AFrika (the Dutch name for South Africa). I do not know this abbreviation. Imho it can be replaced by something else, for instance the codes from ISO 3166-2, which would lead to ZA. Ellywa (talk) 15:47, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Category:Organizations based in the Netherlands
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Category:History of the Batavian Republic
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Automatic alerts
Where can we find the automatic alerts for this project? (Similar to e.g. WikiProject_European_history) - Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * These can be found at WikiProject Netherlands/Article alerts. – Editør (talk) 22:24, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * See Category:Project-Class Netherlands articles for all project pages. – Editør (talk) 07:00, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Royal houses of the States of the Seventeen Provinces
Category:Royal houses of the States of the Seventeen Provinces, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deleting. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission
See Draft:Windmill at Wijk bij Duurstede. Best, FoCuS contribs ;  talk to me!  23:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of Maastricht
Can someone have a look at this article? In my opinion it should be either rewritten entirely or deleted. As it stands now, it is a list of misinformation - the last thing we want in Wikipedia. About half of the dates are wrong in this article, many of the other dates are badly chosen. See my comments on Talk:Timeline of Maastricht. Kleon3 (talk) 08:55, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

House of Orange-Nassau
Can an editor take a look at this. I believe it is essentially done, but may need some improvement. JMvanDijk (talk) 19:36, 26 October 2015‎ (Timestamp added by Editør (talk) 11:26, 2 November 2015 (UTC))

Notability of GeenPeil
Can someone comment on notability of this? Should it be merged to GeenStijl? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 15:25, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Air Force Demo Team
The article Solo Display Team about the Demo Teams of the Royal Netherlands Air Forces is nominated for deletion. – Editør (talk) 13:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Miss Nederland
The articles Miss Nederland 2013 and Miss Nederland 2016 are both nominated for deletion. – Editør (talk) 14:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Dalfsen train crash
Assistance in expanding the Dalfsen train crash article (and its equivalent on nl-Wiki) is sought. Mjroots (talk) 14:16, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Rolling well
Please see Talk:Joint (cannabis). Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Local Dreamers
Hello Netherlands experts. This old draft has a lot of references, but I can't tell if they are independent and reliable. Is this a notable topic?&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Good article nominations
The article 2016 Amstel Gold Race has been a good article nominee since 19 April 2016, and the article Daniel Sprong since 2 May 2016. You can review them according to the good article criteria. See their talk pages for a link to start the review. – Editør (talk) 10:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Continuation article for improvement
Should the section Article for improvement be continued or removed from the project page? I think it would already work with three or four active participants. – Editør (talk) 08:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


 * It has been over a month without any response, so I think it is fair to say I can remove it. – Editør (talk) 07:35, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Zaate Herremenie
Hey all! I stumbled across the page Zaate Herremenie, which has been an orphan for 7 years (sad story, right?). The article claims that Zaate Herremenie is a carnival in Maastricht, however the ref and the external link are both dead links. A Google search brought up this eccentric-looking page but I have no idea what it says. Can anyone verify that this carnival does exist, and maybe even find a reference for it. You win an extra prize if you can even de-orphan it, but any help is much appreciated. Thanks and happy editing! Ajpolino (talk) 05:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as I can actually read it, it seems to be a band or a type of band: nl:Dweilorkest. Hopefully someone from Limburg will be able to read the website and be able to tell us for certain. Jarkeld (talk) 06:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems to be similar to Guggenmusik as well. – Editør (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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Monique de Vries - editing help!
I'm running an editathon with the aim of trying to raise the profile of Women that have had an impact on Antarctic Research. A Dutch politician who has had an impact on the Netherland Antarctic program by the name of Monique de Vries was nominated and I made a page about her but it was not accepted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Monique_de_Vries

I was hoping that the Netherlands project might help me improve it a little or give me some guidance. I've tried Google translate, but it doesn't seem to work all that well for the information I need.

Any advice most welcome. I'm new to Wikipedia editing and am just learning. Janstrugnell (talk) 07:27, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Assessment request
Hello, I would like to put forward a request for a first assessment of the Piet Oudolf page. - Thank you! --Dnllnd (talk) 23:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Good work! I've assessed the article as Start class for now. – Editør (talk) 09:16, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Suggest using article icon
Could we consider using article icon on WikiProject Netherlands/Current and recent events instead of icon? --MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (please reply using &#x7B;&#x7B;ping&#x7D;&#x7D;) 11:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If you think that is an improvement and not just more work typing, go ahead. – Editør (talk) 06:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

The 10,000 Challenge
Hi. The WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge ‎ has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland The 10,000 Challenge and WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. If anybody here would like to contribute to a European one or would rather contribute to a sub one specifically for Netherlands like The 1000 Challenge (Netherlands) based on The 1000 Challenge (Nordic), sign your name under the section for Netherlands and I'll start it if there is enough support. For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Dutch and European content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon. If you would like to see this happening for Dutch and European nations, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Europe, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant!♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:28, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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Reliability of GossipGay?
Hello everyone! During the GAN review for the article Gagged (Violet Chachki EP), the reviewer advised me to verify the reliability and appropriateness of the following source that was cited in the article: (http://gossipgay.nl/interview-with-violet-chachki/). The website "gossipgay.nl" has not been discussed on here previously. I cited this source as it was an interview with primary subject of the article (Violet Chachki). I primarily used the source for Chachki's responses about questions relating the EP and album. I was wondering if someone could verify whether or not this source is reliable or not. I completely understand if it is not deemed appropriate for use on Wikipedia (as the reviewer pointed out the website does not show an editorial board, nor do they explain their journalism policy). I am posting my message on this WikProject as the site in question is a News/Media Website from the Netherlands, and I was encouraged to ask users familiar with the Netherlands about its reputation by a discussion on WP:RSN. I have added the part of the interview being cited in my article below: Speaking of ‘refreshing’ and ‘fun’: you also launched an EP called ‘Gagged’. Tell us something about that! I love drag because you get the opportunity to have a full creative experience. Creating your own music to go with your own visuals is part of that. It’s kind of what RuPaul has done: she created her own music as a way to be a full package. For me that was the intention of what creating music was about… To be really well rounded. If required, I could substitute this source with others that contain the same or very similar information. Thank you for any help! I am still relatively new to Wikipedia, so I greatly appreciate any feedback or support so that I can be better on here. Aoba47 (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * On the page Over ons (About us), the editors are not identified and call themselves simply "Team Gossipgay". They explain that their goal is to make the LGBT world more transparent by means of entertainment, information, and news. I have no reason to believe the interview is fake, so I don't think there would be a problem quoting from it. If you or others have doubts about the authenticity, then perhaps you should use a different source. – Editør (talk) 15:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I agree and believe that there is no reason to believe the interview is fake or misrepresented. I will relay your contribution to the RSN. Thank you again, I greatly appreciate your input. Aoba47 (talk) 17:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Spelling conventions for the digraph IJ
Not sure where to report this, so I'm putting it here. To avoid continued edit warring, I'd like other editors' opinions on the issue of how to handle the capitalization of the digraph ij/IJ. One editor seems to think (discussion 1, discussion 2) that it should be capitalized as Ij instead of IJ, or that it somehow is an acronym instead of a digraph -- I don't even know. I reverted their edits and page moves, because as far as I know the convention is to capitalize it as IJ, but currently the discussions aren't really going anywhere and it's starting to look like an edit war and honestly I don't feel like spending any more time and energy trying to combat this. The main article in question is IJsbrand, but IJ (Amsterdam) and IJmuiden have also been affected. — Kleio (t · c) 01:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The digraph ij should be capitalized as IJ: source 1 source 2 source 3. – Editør (talk) 19:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Dutch involvement in the Syrian Civil War
Any one interested in expanding the Article of the Dutch involvement in the Syrian Civil War. Thanks.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Cross for the Four Day Marches has been nominated for discussion
Category:Recipients of the Cross for the Four Day Marches, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Glass negatives by early photographer Jan Goedeljee now on Commons
Jan Goedeljee (1824-1905) was a Dutch photographer working in his hometown Leiden and its surroundings. Erfgoed Leiden en Omstreken, the Leiden municipal archive, holds a large collection of his glass negatives, which have been digitised and made available for re-use on Wikimedia Commons. The collection includes photos of many well-known places in Leiden, such as the Academy Building and the Hortus Botanicus, and of buildings that have since disappeared, such as the old post office, several city-gates and the old railway station. The upload was done by Erik Zachte, using Pattypan and a custom script for the conversion of the metadata. Access the collection here. Regards, --AWossink (talk) 13:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

New article Cannabis in the Netherlands needs work
We have a "Cannabis in..." article for I think around 89 countries now, so it was high time to add one for the Netherlands. It can probably be spruced up with some existing content from other articles, notifying the project here in case anyone wants to help improve it. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 00:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I've also created Cannabis in Suriname, which could use help from a Dutch speaker, and/or would be useful translated for Dutch Wikipedia. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I could particularly use help from Dutch speakers to find sources which verify the years in which cannabis became prohibited in the Netherlands, and in Suriname (and any other Dutch colonies) if anyone here would enjoy a historical scavenger-hunt! Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * There are enough nl.wiki articles to populate this category, but what would the correct category term be in Dutch for "cannabis edibles" or "cannabis foods" as a corollary category to Cannabis foods? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:16, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Names of Dutch windmills
Copied from user talk:Yngvadottir ''Hi, re your recent moves of articles about Dutch windmills; in Dutch, the mills do take the definite article as part of their name (De Kat, Het Pink etc). This is shown by their listing on such sites as the Molendatabase. Also over at WP:MILLS, we generally house article as title in the style (mill name, location) for named mills, or (location windmill) for unnamed mills. Mjroots (talk) 06:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ''After I moved the two articles and made the changes to the template so that they would show in black on their own pages, I noticed that. But that's not how it's done on the Dutch Wikipedia—I checked both before moving them, in case there was such a convention, or a need for the placename for disambiguation—and we don't add/retain the foreign-language definite article for other classes of objects that I know of, except where it's enclitic (as it is in Ouddeelsmolen, for example). It seems like a romantic convention, but if it isn't even being followed by the Dutch, what justification is there for such complicated titles in an English-language general reference work? Yngvadottir (talk) 06:59, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ''In many cases, disambiguation by place name will be needed (Witte Molen, Oude Molen etc), possibly not in the case of De Lytse Geal. I'm totally against translating the names of the mills at the article title as there will be virtually zero sources that do that. Thus De Grote Molen, Broeksterwoude instead of The Great Mill, Broeksterwoude. A look at nl:Lijst van windmolens in Friesland shows that the naming convention with the definite article is used at nl-wiki, but not always. Mjroots (talk) 09:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree (and not for example "The Elephant") unless by chance windmill scholars writing in English know one of the mills by an English name. It's possible that usage differs regionally in the Netherlands; I only happened to be looking at what linked to Huizum and to find two mills in the same Frisian location. It's also possible that it has changed. Please talk about it at WP:MILLS if you haven't already; I won't make further trouble, but I did not self-revert because I cannot see adequate justification. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:53, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Throwing this out for wider discussion. This concerns the move of De Lytse Geast, Tytsjerk to Lytse Geast and the move of De Himriksmole, Tytsjerk to Himriksmole. WP:MILLS does not have many members, and there are likely to be many Dutch members here. Are Dutch windmill article better housed at the the style (mill name, location) where the mill has a name, or would they be better at just (mill name) with no indication as to whether the mill is a windmill or something else? My preference is for the former. Mjroots (talk) 19:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As long as the place name is not needed for disambiguation then it may even be a good idea to leave it out of the article name. Many drainage mills are way out into the countryside, located far from the village they belong to and may even be closer to other places, so adding the place name may cause confusion. In these specific cases, Lytse Geast is the name of the nearby hamlet, Tytsjerk is about 6 km away so stating it is "in" Tytsjerk is a bit of a stretch. The mill is most commonly called "Ouddeelsmolen" so I suggest moving it to that name. The Himriksmole windmill itself has been moved twice and the municipal boundary has moved as well. It is now located in and owned by the municipally Leeuwarden though situated closer to Tytsjerk. It should now be called Himriksmûne according the local variant of frisian but someone many years ago stuck a sign on the mill spelling Himriksmole and it has entered the windmill databases under that name so I think its better to stick to that or use the dutch name 'Hemriksmolen'. Beware that many windmills in the Netherlands do not have official or fixed names so they may be contentious and tend to change over time. Reboelje (talk) 15:58, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Requesting an assessment
User:BasBr1 requested the assessment of an article, moved from WikiProject Netherlands/Assessment:


 * European Parliament election, 2014 (Netherlands) --BasBr1 (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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Bernardo Guillermo
The article about Bernardo Guillermo, son of Princess Christina of the Netherlands, was nominated for deletion. – Editør (talk) 09:52, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Some editors seem to be campaigning for this article's deletion, because a second nomination was posted after the first one failed to reach consensus. Please share your opinion in this case. – Editør (talk) 13:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Description of two maps
I am trying to find appropriate maps during the period of Mataram Sultanate, an Indonesian monarchy which was closely related to the Dutch East India Company in 17th and 18th century. I suspect these two maps are relevant:. Those maps have descriptions in Dutch, which I unfortunately don't read. I tried to use Google translate, but didn't seem to work - probably because of misspelling or shorthand spelling. May I know what the descriptions of those two maps say? HaEr48 (talk) 08:26, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Attempt at kidnapping Juliana of the Netherlands
The article Attempt at kidnapping Juliana of the Netherlands needs attention. Probably a merge, and also improvement of the machine translation. If it's kept, it needs a title change, imho. This article is listed at WP:PNT. Mathglot (talk) 10:28, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Capitals of the Netherlands and similar redirects
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Dutch East India Company
Since January 2017 this article has been extended by User:Zingvin in many dozens of edits, such that the current article text is theirs almost exclusively. It may be wise to have a thorough check on all of this. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 3 June 2017 (UTC)