Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Netherlands/Archive 5

Pickwick (brand) notability
Hello! Could Dutch speakers help here, please? The notability of the Pickwick brand was questioned. English sources are scarce, true, but I have found news articles in Google News in Dutch, however, I don't speak the language and cannot determine if any are suitable to prove notability. If you could help with a few sources, it would be great. I'm sure there must be something in Dutch of a market leader local brand...? Thank you in advance. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  08:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Pickwick is presumably the best-known tea brand in the Netherlands. – Editør (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I know that, but I need some sources... Teemeah 편지 (letter)  09:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * According to Trouw in 1998, Pickwick had a market share of 73%. . According to de Volkskrant in 2006, Pickwick initiated several tea revolutions. Does this help? – Editør (talk) 10:31, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Requested move discussion at Rotterdam Blitz
Additional opinions would be appreciated. The discussion can found here: K.e.coffman (talk) 23:29, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Talk:Rotterdam_Blitz

Nomination of Thomas Regout International for deletion
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Discussion related to Ranomi Kromowidjojo at Simone Manuel
Hello! There is currently a dispute at Simone Manuel regarding the statement that Manuel is the first black woman to win a swimming gold in an individual event and whether or not Ranomi Kromowidjojo's racial background renders this statement incorrect for Manuel. Since this discussion is related to Kromowidjojo, an article under this WikiProject's scope, I am notifying this WikiProject as well. Other editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Simone Manuel ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  22:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Women in Red's new initiative: #1day1woman

 * wouldn't it be more interesting to have an initiative to create such an article on every day instead of any day? By the way, I've created Sisca Folkertsma after seeing your message. – Editør (talk) 08:54, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Ideally it should indeed be one woman each and every day but we thought that would be asking too much of most of our participants. But if you would like to take up the challenge, let us know when you've managed to add one article each day for a week or perhaps even a month. Glad to see you are helping us along.--Ipigott (talk) 13:45, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * collectively they surely should be able to create one article a day? By the way, I've created Jannette Beuving after seeing your reply. – Editør (talk) 18:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

19th-century Dutch surnames
There are two Dutch entomologists with similar names who were alive at roughly the same time. One is Samuel Constantinus Snellen van Vollenhoven (1816–1880) and the other is Pieter Cornelius Tobias Snellen (1832–1911). In species descriptions, the describer of a species is generally listed with his or her surname and the year of publication in the form "Snellen, 1875". Would Samuel Constantinus's surname be considered Snellen? Thanks, SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   21:52, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "van Vollenhoven" looks to be the surname not just Snellen. To be sure, there will be two relevent documents, a birth certificate registered with the municipality will indicate the given name. The name of the father will also appear there. Also in 1811 all surnames had to be registered, so then you can determine whether "van Vollenhoven" or "Snellen van Vollenhoven" is correct. Our article says Sellen, which is probably wrong. Also Vollenhove is the name of a town that would be the origin of the name. This is not the place it says he was born, so it is not just a descriptive suffix. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * However this website indicates the surname is "Snellen van Vollenhoven", based on parents and sisters names: . The extra long family name appears to have originated when Francois van Vollenhoven married Margarita Cornelia Snellen in 28 april 1782 in Rotterdam. (all these sources need to be checked as they are potentially unreliable) Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:59, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. I had hoped there was an easy way to distinguish between the two, but I'd seen both referred to as only as Snellen. That may be an error or it may not. Keep up the good work. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   22:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest
Hi. In November The Women in Red World Contest is being held to try to produce new articles for as many countries worldwide and occupations as possible. There will be over $4000 in prizes to win, including Amazon vouchers and paid subscriptions. If this would appeal to you and you think you'd be interested in contributing new articles on Dutch women during this month please sign up in the participants section. If you're not interested in prize money yourself but are willing to participate and raise money to buy books about women for others to use, this is also fine. Help would also be appreciated in drawing up the lists of missing articles. If you think of any missing articles for your project please add them to the appropriate sub list Missing articles. Thankyou, and if taking part, good luck!♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

List of honors?
I have run across several women through the years whose biographies say they were recognized for their contributions by the Dutch Queen/King. Is there a list or searchable gazette like the British Birthday Honours where one can find this information? Since most of these women are in the Caribbean, it is really tough to find other newspaper sources that would provide information about it. SusunW (talk) 00:34, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Netherlands

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 17:38, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Assessment Request Menno van Coehoorn
This article has been extensively expanded, so I'd like to request an Assessment if possible. And suggestions for improvements :).

Menno van Coehoorn

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Hendrik Pieter Nicolaas Muller
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De Hegeman windmill
I have just added a short article on the De Hegeman windmill in Rijssen-Holten, Overijssel, based on the Dutch Wikipedia article De Hegeman. Would appreciate any corrections improvements to my rough translation effort, or any other improvements. --papageno (talk) 00:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Tile wisdom
Input is sought at this deletion discussion. I do not speak Dutch, so I could not identify reliable sources about the tradition of hanging aphorisms on tiles on the wall. If anyone can locate reliable sources (or confirm that they do not exist), that would be appreciated. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Review of Draft:June Energy
Looking for help if anyone can read through the references on this draft and assess it for notability. I can use Google Translate but that only tells me what the references say. Not sure if they would be considered reliable or not. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:35, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Train crash Oss on English Wikipedia
Today the Dutch city of Oss was struck by the severe train accident with a stint bicylce, which killed four children (4,4,6,8) and two more people very badly wounded in the hospital. Can someone explain me why this tragic events had turned into an article on Wikipedia? Oss_train_crash

It is very rude and irrelevant to do this. Can this page be removed?

--Bigknor (talk) 19:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You have made similar requests on other pages, such as and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. This goes against WP:MULTI, and various people (including myself) have left more detailed replies at the WikiProject Trains thread. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 08:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , please use Talk:Oss rail accident so that everything is kept together in a single location. —Sladen (talk) 10:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format
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Daniella van Graas WP:AFD
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1969 Curaçao uprising
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Notability of statistical regions
Someone has mass-created permanent stubs about the COROP statistical regions, for example South West Friesland. Does anyone who know more about the Netherlands than I think these are individually notable? I think a merge/redirect of them to COROP would be appropriate. Reywas92Talk 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion for Beyond Words (1997 film)
Articles for deletion/Beyond Words (1997 film) (2nd nomination) - Randy Kryn (talk) 11:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
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Dutch names starting with an apostrophe
Contributions would be welcome at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters. Thanks. Opera hat (talk) 15:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Is "dorp" just a translation of village or is it more?
Please see Articles for deletion/Dorp (town). We could use input from more people familiar with the use of this word outside English. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Georgina Lara Booth
If anyone has time and inclination to look at Georgina Lara Booth, British-Dutch journalist and other things, that would be great. It reads promotional to me, but without knowing the sources and a bit more of the content, I'm not sure how to improve it. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 17:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. It looks like it is written by the same public relations team that wrote her bio on https://nl.mashable.com/u/georgina-booth and other social media. Nevertheless, quite an admirable youngster. I would suggest to request the main author to use a more appropriate and neutral Encyclopedia toneRuud Buitelaar (talk) 00:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Netherlandish
Hi there! I am just starting to contribute to Wikipedia. First I wrote a couple of articles on the Dutch site, which I translated to the English Wikipedia. Amazing place. Absolutely fascinating. I joined this WPNL project a few days ago and I am doing a walk around town. I feel like a martian who just arrived on earth. I see a lot of beautiful buildings and places, some needing a fresh paint. I see also a lot of garbage and corpses lying around. I have not met many actual living people. So, what is the Netherlands WP about? The showcase FA class and GA class articles are gems in themselves but the full list looks like a rather random collection of topics. I guess that comes with the territory. There I came across that strange term: Netherlandish. Surely that is of interest for the WPNL? Early Netherlandish painting is one of our FA class articles. But most Netherlandish painters are not on our list: no Jan van Eyck, Rogier van der Weyden. Dieric Bouts, yes he is on our list. And the Limbourg brothers? No. Other famous Netherlandish people include our Hertog Jan, about whom I sang at primary school, John I, Duke of Brabant. He is not on our list. Ouch. Now we reach the part of Netherlandish literature. There is a canon of dutch literature list. Are the early Netherlandish authors on our list? Heinrich von Veldeke, yes. Jacob van Maerlant, no. Thomas a Kempis, no? What? another of my primary school famous names not on the list. What about Dutch music? The souterliedekens? No. Antwerp songbook? yes. I am pretty lost now. Erasmus? Fortunately, yes. Hey, there is Philips of Marnix, Lord of Saint-Aldegonde, author of our national anthem. What? No? Not on the list? Please, can anyone explain? I mean, seriously, what do you guys think about what does and what does not interest us as WPNL? Or should I just use my own judgement and place topics on our list? Or take some off the list? Thanks for your guidance. Nice to meet you.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:43, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Bit of (older) Dutch translation needed.
Hi, any chance of adding translations of the legends of this image to the Commons file? I'd be very grateful. Johnbod (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! This is a very tricky one to translate. It requires good knowledge of 16th-century Dutch. The image is full with symbolic references for which you have to be familiar with the time and the context. I wouldn´t dare to try. The author is Rijksmuseum. I suggest you ask the museum. Try info@rijksmuseum.nl.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

De Akkers metro station crash
It has been proposed that the De Akkers metro station crash article is merged into the De Akkers metro station article. Discussion at talk:De Akkers metro station. Please feel free to contribute. Mjroots (talk) 06:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Something else entirely??? Who, what?
Preface – I've added this preface as it was not obvious to me that this discussion was about The Ten Million Club Foundation. --papageno (talk) 19:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

This article may have problems of neutrality. It paints the activities of the foundation in a consistently positive light, repeats its viewpoints as fact, and presents a list of readings that are sympathetic to, or supportive of, its stated aims. The article also incorporates language derived from public statements made by the foundation. There is no in-text acknowledgement of these external sources, and no footnotes identifying them.

The article makes no mention of the controversial nature of the foundation in Dutch society. I find no citation of the many articles and websites that have voiced criticism of its stated aims. Their authors maintain, rightly or wrongly, that this is a right-wing foundation, engaged in the propagation of populist and potentially racist views under an intellectualist guise. The authors note, for example, that the foundation professes to raise public awareness about global overpopulation, but links it with the alleged overpopulation of the Netherlands. It calls for a 41% reduction of the Dutch population, from the current 17 million to 10 million. Whence its name. They also that the only effective measures to accomplish this aim -- setting aside the premature death of 2 out of 5 people living in Holland -- would involve a sharp reduction of immigration, if not a complete halt, and possibly the deportation of people who can be claimed, from certain viewpoints, not to belong in the Netherlands.

Judging from its website, the foundation does indeed hint at such measures, if only by reporting controversial viewpoints which it does nothing to contradict. Yet the measures have to do with Dutch national politics, rather than global overpopulation. Logic alone suggests that moving people elsewhere, or not letting them in to begin with, does nothing to reduce the world population. It is also a matter of logic that measures like these cannot solve a Dutch problem without creating one for other nations.

Observers have also noted that the foundation website mentions controversial public figures but makes no effort to distance itself from their chief nessage. These are the politicians Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders, and Thierry Baudet -- all of whom are widely perceived to engage, or to have engaged, in radical-right populism. On the contrary, the foundation appears to align itself with their viewpoints on population and migration.

I should also note that the article was created, and has been edited for the most part, by one and the same contributor who goes by the username "Janvanweeren". The only contributions to Wikipedia that this individual has made are to this particular article, "The Ten Million Club Foundation," nothing else. Tthe same is true of the Dutch Wikipedia article "Club van Tien Miljoen," where the same "Janvanweeren" accounts for the vast majority of edits. On the history page of the Dutch article, contributor "Janvanweeren" self-identifies (truthfully or not) as the Secretary of the foundation, who is indeed called Jan van Weeren. Let me emphasize that the personal identity of contributors to Wikipedia is nobody's business except their own. Yet it is fair to comment on a possibility raised by "Janvanweeren" himself, which if true would explain the problem in both the Dutch and English versions of the article, and would constitute a violation of Wikipedia's standards of integrity.

It is worth asking whether Wikipedia even needs an article on this particular foundation. It does not claim to have accomplished anything concrete, and seems interested mostly in gaining publicity -- for which purpose it apparently exploits Wikipedia as a platform.

I registered under a username last year and made some contributions as apprentice editor. But that is a long time ago, I cannot find the username I normally choose anywhere in Wikipedia. Until it comes back to me, I'm afraid the ISP address must suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C380:49F0:B03E:FD05:32B2:C5E6 (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. I would support placing a COI or a POV message box on the page.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 01:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added the connected contributor template to the talk page of the English article, The Ten Million Club Foundation. The other issues that are raised by the IP address user should be added to the article too if there are quality sources that can be used as references. I'm not familiar enough with Dutch politics to be the person to seek out those sources, but I'd be glad to monitor the article to help with the editing process. --papageno (talk) 20:17, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Island council and electoral college elections
I'd like to draw your attention to a discussion going on at WikiProject Elections and Referendums concerning a proposed re-organization of articles about the island council and electoral college elections in the Caribbean Netherlands and, formerly, the Netherlands Antilles. Feel free to contribute » here « &#8213; Ætoms  [talk] 18:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Education in the Netherlands
Please can you tell me where I can find out about education in the Netherlands? Thank you, Krok6kola (talk) 19:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What about Education in the Netherlands? Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 01:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I looked at Outline of the Netherlands and did not realize it was way at the bottom! Sorry I missed it there. Thank you for showing me. Krok6kola (talk) 02:53, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Names of sports governing bodies of the Netherlands in English Wikipedia
Hi all, Is there a recognised convention (policy, guidance or broad consensus) for titles of articles about sports governing bodies ot the Netherlands in English Wikipedia? If there is please link me to it. Please ping with reply. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 15:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Anyone? &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 07:13, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Help identify these men
thumb|Groepsfoto van de heren Jan van L., dr. Wu Lien Teh, en professor De Langen, Tandjong Priok, Batavia.

is one of the men Cornelis de Langen? and who is "Jan van L."?--RZuo (talk) 09:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that Jan van L. is Jan Jacobus van Lonkhuijzen. See also J.J. van Lonkhuyzen on Commons. He was Head of the Health Service in Dutch East Indies. And yes, it seems likely that professor De Langen refers to Cornelis Douwe de Langen.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! given their biographies and unique names, it's them, but i'll leave it to readers and other editors to see which is which then. i think the title matches their positions in the photo.--RZuo (talk) 22:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! I think you are right: the picture shows, from left to right on the screen, Jan van Lonkhuijzen, Wu Lien Teh and Cornelis de Langen.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red Europe contest
After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from the Netherlands.--Ipigott (talk) 06:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Living former cabinet members of the Netherlands
Somebody is adding a large number of dead people to this list. Some extra eyes from knowledgeable editors are needed. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 17:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with an article?
Hi! I was trying to find sourcing for the song Zing, vecht, huil, bid, lach, werk en bewonder. It looks like it was a huge hit in the Netherlands and is one of Ramses Shaffy's most well known songs, but it lacks an article. Can anyone help me find sourcing to establish that it meets WP:NMUSIC? I can use Google translate on the news sources that pop up, but I have a feeling that there are going to be sources that won't show up for me since I'm in the US or will be in places I can't use GT. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  17:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, the song meets notability criteria. Not so much because it was a huge hit, which it really wasn´t (it never topped the charts) but it has become a classic, especially in the fight against cancer. For Het Parool newspaper it was the most beautiful dutch-language song of the 20th century. I would start by translating the very poorly sourced dutch-language Wikipedia article about the song and take it from there. The dutch-language article has some useful pointers. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll translate that and check back in! ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  16:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

VDL Nedcar
Help would be appreciated with finding sources to cite for recent additions by another editor at VDL Nedcar regarding factory expansion, as well as an updated figure for company revenue. Thanks Meticulo (talk) 04:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I would like to direct this question to to add sources to his recent additions to the VDL Nedcar article, both in the English and Dutch language. This editor seems to have in-house information about VDL Nedcar but should be able to add independent external and verifiable sources. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 20:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

RDW
Hi, I recently created RDW (disambiguation) with the entry: When searching wikipedia for disambiguation RDW I found in various articles the mentioned authority is translated in different ways. I put everywhere the term above, but I leave it to you guys to create the article with the proper title (and to update the clums disambig entry). Lembit Staan (talk) 18:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * RDW, stands for Rijksdienst voor het Wegverkeer; the term is obsolete, but the abbreviation is in common use for  Netherlands Road Traffic Department


 * Hi Lembit Staan, thanks! You´re right, in 1994 the name Rijksdienst voor Wegverkeer was changed to Dienst Wegverkeer. Still, the abbreviation RDW was maintained. It is still the official abbreviation. The english translation used by the Department is Netherlands Vehicle Authority. I edited the entry on the disambiguation page. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Help for Dutch article - hope this is right place?
Hey - so I have a COI and I've been trying to request restructuring for a Dutch company, but it's taking a while :{. Any chance someone might be interested in perusing the changes on their own time? JeanetteM2 (talk) 00:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, not me. Sorry. But I´ve added the article to the WikiProject Netherlands. Hope it helps Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Links between English and Frisian peoples and languages
Editors here may wish to join the discussion at Talk:English people about the links (or not) between the English and Frisian peoples and languages which has arisen in the wake of multiple deletions and, in some cases, reversions and re-reversions of links between these topics, so a consensus would be helpful. Other articles affected include: Frisians, Saterland Frisians and Faroe Islanders. There may be more. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 13:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Any opinion ?
Articles for deletion/Ada of Holland. Thanks VocalIndia (talk) 15:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Oliver Daemen
Alerting of a deletion nom. Oliver, we hardly knew ye. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Oorijzer draft
Hello, I created a draft for Oorijzer, a traditional woman’s headdress. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 07:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Elsevier or EW
I just made some edits to the page Elsevier (magazine) and it looks to me like the periodical's name has changed, but, not speaking Dutch I'm not sure. Before I got to the article, it linked to http://www.elsevierweekblad.nl, which today is a dead link. I found https://www.ewmagazine.nl/ which uses the branding EW with what seems to be historical mention of "Elsevier". Should the title be changed to EW (Dutch magazine)? And would a Dutch speaker please give the article a look over in light of the apparent name change? Thank you, SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨ 23:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes you are right, the name has changed. In 2017, after RELX sold a majority stake in the weekly magazine Elsevier to ONE Business, RELX imposed a name change. The magazine called Elsevier was renamed Elsevier Weekblad, to avoid confusion with Elsevier, the publishing company, owned by RELX, which continues to publish scientific journals. The weekly magazine´s name is now Elsevier Weekblad and it uses the abbreviation EW. The title of the page should be Elsevier Weekblad, which as a redirect already exists. Elsevier (magazine) should be a redirect to Elsevier Weekblad, not the other way around, as is the case now. Hope this helps and thanks! Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 01:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about wikipedia "Articles for deletion/November 2021 riots in the Netherlands"
You are invited to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/November 2021 riots in the Netherlands, which is about a wikipedia that is within the scope of this WikiProject. &#8213; Ætoms  [talk] 14:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC) &#8213;  Ætoms  [talk] 14:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Rembrandt Research Project - link outdated
The article on the Rembrandt Research Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rembrandt_Research_Project) gives a link to that project. However, the link seems to be outdated. I'm not an editor, but I suggest that you remove it.

As you state in the article, the RRP ended in 2011. It seems that after that, the ownership of the domain name relapsed, and subsequently was picked up by a porn company. The current RRP site was created six years after the end of the RRP, (https://uk.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?checkAvail=1&domain=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rembrandtresearchproject.org) and is now used to link to a couple of porn sites. If you scroll down to 'Rembrandt's Influences on the Art' you'll find those links. Moreover, you find no information about the project anymore, just a couple of pages with some generic information about the painter.

Since the website is not the homepage of the project anymore, and doesn't give any information about the Rembrandt Research Project, it seems inappropriate for this wiki article to link to that site. I think that you should remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:983:4ECA:1:F1EE:116F:20CA:8BBA (talk) 14:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Excellent observation. I deleted the obsolete link and changed some phrases from present to past tense. I added a link to the Rembrandt Database. The article needs more work. I´ll look into it.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion about article "West Low German"
An editor has requested for West Low German to be moved to another page. Since you had some involvement with West Low German, you might want to participate in |the move discussion (if you have not already done so). --Heanor (talk) 14:30, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Gijs van Hall
Goedemorgen,

I just edited a large portion of the page on Gijs van Hall. I think it may be more than a mere stub now. Anyone want to have a second look at it? T-Nod (talk) 11:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Goedenavond,
 * Thanks for your edits of Gijs van Hall. I agree that the article now is at least a Start and I changed the classification accordingly. I made some minor edits, in particular of the opening line, according to the Manual of Style. My feeling is that the article as it is now leans too heavily on the Huygens ING biography cited in reference 1. More work is needed to obtain a more balanced article. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, a Wikipedia is never done... ;) Dankjewel Ruud, start-class works for now! T-Nod (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Guus van Ditzhuyzen at AfD
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Piet Mondrian
I was hoping to list Piet Mondrian on OTD on 7 March (150th anniv of birth), but the article is ineligible due to vast swathes of unreferenced material. If this can be fixed quickly, he can appear. If not, he won't. Mjroots (talk) 18:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

AfDs
Hi. Please see the following discussions: one, two. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Women in Red translation contest: April to June 2022
At the beginning of April, WikiProject Women in Red is launching a three-month translation contest focused on increasing our coverage of women's biographies. As the Dtuch version of Wikipedia is one of the most popular sources for translation, members of WikiProject Netherlands may be interested in participating.--Ipigott (talk) 10:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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AfDs
Linde Nijland and Ygdrassil (musical group) have been AfD´d. Can someone improve these articles? Thanks Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Photo request
Hello all. I'm just over from the Cricket Project to see if anyone could possibly get some pictures of these cricket grounds. They have all held men's and women's international cricket. Of particular recent interest is the VRA Cricket Ground in Amstelveen, which is due to host England and the West Indies in the next few weeks. Any pictures of the playing area and additional facilities of any of these grounds would be much appreciated :) Cheers, StickyWicket (talk) 17:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Peer review Hugo Krabbe
Hello, a fellow user who is peer-reviewing an article on the Dutch international lawyer and legal theorist Hugo Krabbe (1857-1936) asked for some help in checking the sources, which are mostly in Dutch and accessible online. As main editor of the article I'd be very grateful if someone could help us to improve the quality of the article. The discussion is here. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 22:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Dutch names and categories
Hello I'm here to alert you guys to a discussion going on about Dutch names and categories. Some of you might be interested in participating. You can find everything here Dutchy45 (talk) 17:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Eerde (Ommen)
I landed here on a Random Article click and noticed during my review that the article seems to be more about the Castle (now a boarding school) rather than the hamlet. I can do my best to overhaul the article and make a stub for the castle/school, but wanted to let everyone know beforehand. Lindsey40186 (talk) 16:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Assess Portrait of a Man in a Wide-Brimmed Hat, please?
Hello Would you like, please, to assess and rate Portrait of a Man in a Wide-Brimmed Hat? Thank you. Frans Fowler (talk) 13:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Frans, congratulations on the article. Well written, interesting, well sourced. I am using the Rater application and it indicates B or higher. Consequently, I rated the article as B for the wp:nl project, without affecting the C ratings that the article has received in other projects. I suggest you nominate the article for GA status. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ruud. That was quick! -- Frans Fowler (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:NETHERLANDS" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Wikipedia:NETHERLANDS and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 24 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:45, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

wp:WikiProject Dutch municipalities
I've suggested that be merged into this wikiproject as a taskforce. For the discussion, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dutch municipalities -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 11:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: The merger proposal gained consensus. Thus, it is now merged under this WikiProject as WikiProject Netherlands/Dutch municipalities task force .All related janitorial tasks have also been completed. Thank you. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 10:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Rijnsburg article corruption
Wikipedia Rijnsburg article: the edits of August and October 2022 add obviously erroneous information to the article. I am not qualified to determine if there are other inaccuracies, but this mischief needs to be removed. I wish I knew how to help. TanneC (talk) 12:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

DRU / Druware
This article was accepted into article space today, with a helpful recommendation to ask here if anyone may have more information on DRU, the Druware cookware brand, or access to the book listed in Further Reading: Thanks! Kerri9494 (talk) 21:45, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Article: Het verjaagde water
Hi there, I put a new article on the book Het verjaagde water up and was wondering if anyone would like to assess it for me? Thanks in advance. D McParland (talk) 16:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Sources for Scope (1970s jazz rock band)
The draft https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Scope_(dutch_band) has been rejected due to a lack of notable sources. I wasn't able to find any offline material from the 70s related to the band or any other "direct" sources that would get the article accepted. Does anyone know of any sources, online or offline, that could be suitable for the article? 190.194.153.176 (talk) 17:58, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * or, more generally, any 1970s Dutch music magazines which might be accessible either online or at a public library? DS (talk) 18:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at WikiProject Politics/Political parties about Dutch party flags
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics/Political parties, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. — Ætoms  [talk] 23:36, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Tulip mania at FAR
I have nominated Tulip mania for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 16:00, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Mary I (disambiguation). Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Help needed at Netherlands
I've made a start addressing the many issues that plague our top article of the Wikiproject, but my expertise is limited. The article contains 78 cn tags, many of which can be found in the overly-long history section. I was wondering if people are interested in bringing the article to B class? Tagging a few participants who indicated interest in history: @Sottiwotti, @Rjensen, @NatriumGedrogt. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:19, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure. Count me in. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Python (programming language)
Python (programming language) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Waard dab page is at AfD
See Articles for deletion/Waard. Is this a useful disambiguation page? Pam D  18:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The Dutch word 'waard' stands for a type of flat and fertile land that has been formed by a river, but that is meanwhile protected by dikes, so that it can be used for agriculture (or other purposes) without having the risk of flooding. This as distinct from the Dutch word 'uiterwaard' (river foreland, d:Q333379), being a piece of land that is NOT protected by a dike, and so will flood periodically.
 * The difference between a 'waard' and a 'polder' is that a polder is completely surrounded by dikes, while a waard has only a dike along the river; the other sides are not protected by dikes because the land is (very) gradually sloping upwards, away from the river.
 * I don't know if there is an English word for a 'waard'. If not, then it could be useful to keep this page, not as a disambiguation page but instead as a page that can explain the meaning of this Dutch word. Then, (former) Grote Hollandse Waard and Hoeksche Waard, Alblasserwaard, Bommelerwaard, Lopikerwaard (and many others) can be given as examples. Erik Wannee (talk) 14:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We dont need an English word to have articles about terms specific to particular cultures. Can you write up a stub for the term, with references? YOU may also consider an alternative to have a section "Vaard" in "Polder" . By the way, there is Alblasserwaard ans others in the Netherlands section of "Polder", so this can me a good place for clarification. The "Vaard" is good as rediret to this secction. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you mean with 'Vaard'? That's not an existing Dutch word. Erik Wannee (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Digital Trust Center
Can I get assistance to assess the notability of this page? It came up while reviewing a related topic at AfC but the majority of references I find here are in Dutch (which unfortunately I cannot read). CNMall41 (talk) 08:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Uhm... I'd like to help you, but there are no references in the article. Which references do you want to have reviewed? Erik Wannee (talk) 16:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Well... I guess it would've helped if I included the link. My brain is aging quicker than I would like. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The web site of the DTC is digitaltrustcenter.nl. Most information on the article Digital Trust Center must have been derived from that web site. Some paragraphs are more or less a translation of that web site. I added two references that refer to that web site. Because the DTC and its web site are part of the Dutch government, the information on it is very reliable. Erik Wannee (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I guess what I am asking is if any of the references can be used to show that it meets WP:NCORP. Do any of the references meet the criteria of WP:ORGCRIT? I wanted to do my due diligence prior to recommending it for deletion. Despite there being no English references meeting the criteria, I did not want to send it to AfD if there were Non-English references that did. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Frisian villages
22 articles, including Mitselwier, have been moved by Magna Frisia from a Dutch name to a Frisian name, following a change in their official names on 1 January 2023. Is the Frisian name likely to be the WP:COMMONNAME? TSventon (talk) 22:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In Friesland, Dutch and Frisian are both official languages. About the official names of settlements in Friesland: according to the Dutch law 'Wet basisregistratie adressen en gebouwen' (article 1n), every settlement can have only one official name. Every municipality has the right to determine which name will be the official one. In 2021, the municipal council of the municipality Noardeast-Fryslân has determined that the Frisian names of all 22 settlements will be the official ones from 1-1-2023 on. Erik Wannee (talk) 08:30, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

2023 Voorschoten train crash
Is there anyone in the Voorschoten area that can get some photographs of the 2023 Voorschoten train crash for use in the article please. Mjroots (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * They can be found at c:Category:Voorschoten rail accident on 4 April 2023. Erik Wannee (talk) 08:33, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Archdiocese of Utrecht (695–1580)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Archdiocese of Utrecht (695–1580) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 05:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

President/Speaker of the House of Representatives
Right now, after a requested move, we use Speaker of the House of Representatives consistently across Wikipedia, because that was most common at that time. However, as noted in this review, President of the House of Representatives has gained popularity in official sources. I thus believe we should change this (on Speaker of the House of Representatives (Netherlands) but probably on a lot of other places as well). How do other participants of this project feel about that? Dajasj (talk) 11:35, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * My opinion on any official government titles, is that they should always be included with their native labels (even if that appears to be offensive to people who can'stand non latin script appearing in their Wikipedia snippets) along withh native audio. I say this as someone who has added quite a few Dutch historical terms against mild pushback over the years. Whatever the anglicized choice then becomes, it doesn't matter for local readers. Jane (talk) 07:37, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft that I might need some help with
If you feel called to help me with this draft I would appreciate it very much Draft:Dutch Raid on North America DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 15:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)