Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Hampshire/Archive 2

Sawyer_River_Railroad
There is a stub at (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawyer_River_Railroad) that may interest someone in your group. i think that there is some improvement work there for someone from the area. I hope so and hope it adds to your state project. (Stormbay 04:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

Unincorporated townships
A few notes on unincorporated townships (a personal hobby):

which townships are unincorporated
Dixville is unincorporated; it's listed incorrectly under "towns". As for Hart's Location, I'm intrigued: my impression was that technically it has never been incorporated -- if it were, there would be an act by the state legislature from 2001, which I'm not aware of but maybe I missed it. (I wrote the town clerk in 2002 or 2003 asking whether or not it was incorporated, & she didn't mention anything formal) The town may be organized (it even has a town hall now, courtesy of some hand-me-down buildings from AMC; before that, town meetings were in a resident's basement) but I'd like to see the source for claiming it was incorporated in 2001.
 * Hart's Location was incorporated in 1772 (see: []. I do recall a change in administration of one of the "locations" (either Hale's or Hart's) around 2001.  My recollection was that some budgetary matters shifted from one of the counties to the locality at that time, but I can't find the details in my head at the moment.   FrostHeaves 04:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * sigh. the NHES profile you cited doesn't list sources either. A primary source, or a source citing a primary source for this is really the only way to go; in this case a primary source would be either a copy of an act by the Royal Governor, prior to the Revolution, or an act of the State Legislature. Both would be in the State Archives, which is an interesting place to visit. Secondary sources would be either the compiled Acts of the Legislature (the State Archives has a copy, I think most of the large libraries in NH do also), or the State Papers of the late 1800's & early 1900's, see []. I apologize if I'm being anal-retentive, but I've done a lot of research on this topic & and have seen incorrect information show up frequently (including in the Manual for the General Court!), that it's just not something you can trust without a reference to a primary source. (apologies for the delay, I haven't had any time to pursue this lately) Re: Hart's/Hale's location -- you're talking about Hale's Location. Coos County has been managing the finances of the unincorporated townships, since it includes all of them except Livermore (Grafton) and Hale's Location (Carroll). At some point there were enough people in the Hale's Location golf club community that the Coos County Commissioners noticed all the services Hale's Location was using, and asked Carroll County if they could shoulder the burden themselves. I'm not sure how this ended up, I haven't been following it lately.Arghman 21:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

spelling
Cutts' Grant is named after Thomas Cutts and is not "Cutt's Grant". Most of the grants, at least on the USGS topo maps, do not include apostrophes. (See http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.266&lon=-71.303&size=l and http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.247&lon=-71.180&size=l for example.)
 * There's woeful inconsistency in this matter, even in official NH documents and statutes. But for municipal names, I wouldn't necessarily trust even USGS (or the US Board on Geographic Names).  FrostHeaves 04:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

census populations
The census populations for many of the unincorporated townships are estimates. Alas, the US Census is the main authority when it comes to population. I can say with almost absolute certainty that the only unincorporated townships with any serious permanent populations are Cambridge, Millsfield, Dixville, Hale's Location, and Wentworth's Location. I'm unsure of Success Twp. The leases around Success Pond are leases, so technically someone could be living there year-round, I suppose, though I don't believe they plow the road to get there, which makes me suspicious it's got any permanent population. You might also be able to argue Sargent's Purchase has a permanent (but transient) population since that's where the Mt Washington Observatory is. Beans Grant and Crawfords Purchase may have populations... I can't remember whether the condos managed by Breton Woods are all in the town of Carroll or whether they spill over into these two grants. The rest are all either part of the White Mtn National Forest, or private timber parcels.
 * I don't believe it's true that the census counts of unincorporated areas are estimates (I'm checking on that from an official source). You can find a complete listing of population data for NH localities here [], including those for unincorporated places.  Sargent's Grant doesn't show up, and I suspect that the "residents" of the Obs actually claim their permanent domicile elsewhere, as they're really temporarily there and on rotation.  Success seems to have a population of 2.  You can find a complete list of NH municipalities and unincorporated places here [].  I have an old document that cataloged all of the NH place names from one of the earlier iterations of the USGS maps, which I'll soon either scan or transcribe and post to the project site (it's around here somewhere). FrostHeaves 05:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: From the official source, NH's Census affiliate at the NH Office of Energy and Planning, the Census counts for unincorporated areas are real counts, not estimates. There are intercensal estimates that are done by the Offices of the County Commissioners, but that's a different thing.  FrostHeaves 14:15, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * ??? Ok, I want to find out who the four people are who live(d) in Beans Purchase. Arghman 17:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's top secret information (and probably anyone living there wouldn't want to be identified, for various reasons!). FrostHeaves 03:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

history / grant date
I've got research for all 259 towns' incorporation and/or grant dates (including references to source material, most of it's from the NH state papers), I'll add that when I have time (may be a few wks). Arghman 14:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation
Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Tito xd (?!? - help us) 18:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Hugh J. Gallen's successor
According to Wikipedia, Vesta M. Roy succeeded Hugh, but according to this website, these other people succeeded him. Which is true? Icelandic Hurricane #12 13:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello? íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 23:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, in response to your initial question, I made an inquiry with the NH Secretary of State's office which (finally, after three attempts) gave this reply last week: "I am submitting the information that is printed in the Manual for the General Court (Red Book) regarding Gallen to Roy. Hugh J. Gallen was confined in a Boston hospital from November 30, 1982 until his death on December 29, 1982.  Senate President Robert B. Monier was acting governor until November 30, 1982 when the legislature dissolved at midnight.  Secretary of State William M. Gardner was acting governor on December 1, 1982 until the members of the new senate and house of representatives were sworn in and the senate elected its new president Vesta M. Roy.  She immediately became acting governor and served in that capacity until January 6, 1983 when John H. Sununu was sworn into office."  So that's the official word. FrostHeaves 01:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Governor
Good job so far guys, just wanted to suggest an actual page on the Governor of New Hampshire as opposed to the current redirect to a list of people who have held the office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.200.96 (talk • contribs) 00:13, April 20, 2006 (UTC)
 * I have begun the article; will look to other comparable states in crafting the New Hampshire version. --Assawyer 13:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in New Hampshire
Many articles covered by this WikiProject lack photographs. As part of a subcategorization of the requested photos category, there is now a category for New Hampshire articles needing photos - to use it, just add to the article's talk page. I have only added a few articles to the category so far, but it would be an easy way to make an extensive list New Hampshire-related articles lacking photos. I hope you find it useful! TheGrappler 06:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Manchester
I've categorized anything and everything related to Manchester. Maybe someday I'll visit :) Paul 03:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

citations (or lack thereof)
not to be too academic about it, but I hope people can cite sources of info when possible, there's a lot of misinfo creeping into things. just as an example, the article on Beans Purchase cites a paragraph including an incorporation date of 1812. No sources given; the text nearly matches that which was in the "Wolfeboro Online" website (no longer available directly but see http://web.archive.org/web/20050305193424/http://www.wolfeboroonline.com/towninfo/statistics/nhtowns.html), which didn't list its sources, though I suspect they got it from scanning in the NH Manual of the General Court ("Red Book") with OCR software that mangled a couple of the dates (you will note the fact that both the Wolfeboro Online and wikipedia article say James Willey was appointed in 1851 but somehow he managed to sell the land to Alpheus Bean in 1812, thirty-nine years earlier! The correct dates are 1831 and 1832, respectively. The "3" in the Red Book uses kind of an odd typeface & probably didn't scan well.) The Red Book did not cite its sources either. There's an obscure document in the NH State Archives from around 1913 (a study by the legislature, motivated by taxation!!!) which lists this kind of information, and it does cite sources, namely certain pages in the county registries of deeds for most of the unincorporated townships. Anyway it's a bit frustrating to see wrong info spread like some kind of virus. When I get a chance (at this rate I might have some time in 2007 or 2008 :( unfortunately) I might try to fix some of it. Arghman 17:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

School Stub template added to the list
After a bit of hunting for the appropriate template, I noticed that there is a NH school stub template in existence, and added it into the list of established stub templates. Incidentally, I was using it to tag the Berlin High School article, which I stumbled upon today. It needs a LOT of information. Any alumni out there? ;-) - Nhprman 18:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of NH categories from NH-related articles
I just thought I'd make brief mention here that User:PaulHanson has removed some categories from articles and I hope it's not a trend. Category:People from New Hampshire was removed from Joseph Carter Abbott (a NH "carpetbagger" in NC after the Civil War) and Category:Manchester, New Hampshire was removed from List of mayors of Manchester, New Hampshire, where it simply seems useful. I reverted both, pending a discussion, which I initiated on his talk page. Both categories are WELL POPULATED with articles and are entirely legitimate and useful, IMO. Yet, he has called them "redundant" in his edit summaries, and I'm a bit concerned that all of the articles in these categories will be deleted without further discussion. If anyone can explain why these indeed are redundant, or what I'm missing, that would be helpful. Thanks, - Nhprman 21:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Merge Infobox City NH with Infobox City?
Please see the discussion here. harpchad 15:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

History buff needed
Please check out List of current and former capital cities in the United States and make sure that Alaska's capital cities are listed accurately. A word of warning: the page does contain quite a bit of complicated wiki formatting, so if you're not comfortable editing it, just post your changes on the talk page and someone more experienced will apply them to the article. JEK   19:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Nominate articles for Portal:United States
I've worked for the past month to update Portal:United States and keep it better maintained. Though, I think the Portal:United States would be even better with broader participation. One way to do that is instead of choosing the "selected article" myself each week, if others would nominate articles and help make decisions. (same goes for pictures, though these are stocked up through July 29) If there is anything related to New Hampshire (or anything else related to the U.S. - culture, music, literature, geography, history, politics, ...), please nominate. I'd also like people to weigh in on the nominations and help select what should be featured. Thanks. --Aude ( talk contribs ) 23:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

New "People from [city]" Categories
Hello, everybody. I am the bozo who just recently created the new subcategories in the "People from New Hampshire" category. I thought that some of you might want to know why they were created, and why they often have so few pages in them. The majority of the states have "People from [state]" categories which have at least 200 entries, sometimes over 1,000. This is clearly an unworkably large number for anyone wishing to use the category for research purposes. In 8th grade in Rapid City, South Dakota, the social studies class asked us to write, over the course of the year, reports on two or three people who were or had been residents of the city. Because of that, I have reason to believe that they could be used and probably are used for research purposes. To make such research easier, I looked at the list of metropolitan statistical areas and basically entered in one new category for each metropolitan statistical area. I know that many of these categories might well be, in the eyes of you who know more about the cities in question much better than I do, misnamed or otherwise faulty. I apologize for any mistakes I may have made along those lines, and I would welcome any corrections, including deletion, that any of the rest of you might choose to make. With that in mind, I have also generally populated the categories with only one or two names, to ease in the process of deletion or renaming. I thought you all should know why these categories were created, and felt some degree of responsibility for letting your know. I wish you all the greatest good fortune in making the coverage of your state in Wikipedia of the greatest scope and quality possible, and I hope that I haven't annoyed too many of you by my recent actions. Badbilltucker 13:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As long as everyone from New Hampshire doesn't suddenly become "People from Boston, Massachusetts" we'll probably survive it. Otherwise... you need to understand that we are NOT Boston. - Nhprman List  14:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I was in no way indicating that it should be, or that, even if I were to put all the residents of the metropolitan area in as "Bostonians", that it would be for long. I notice that several of these categories have already been broken down into smaller subcategories already, and I have no doubt that if the "Boston people" category became too large, it would be broken down in that way as well.  One of the obvious subdivisions would be into people from the various states included in the metropolitan area, so the people from Rockingham County and Stafford County would probably be broken into at least one subcategory for themselves. Badbilltucker 12:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that there was a break-down by city in the days following the category's creation, and that the potential problem I alluded to hasn't become a problem. - Nhprman List  17:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Well, as feared, apparently, everyone from two NH counties are going to be categorized as Category:People from Boston. This is not acceptable, and frankly, does not make the encyclopedia better, or more accurate. Consider Joseph Carter Abbott. While the article mentions he edited the Boston Atlas and Bee for two years (there is no WP entry to show this is in Boston, MA, but I'll assume this) there is no proof he lived in Boston, nor is that where he's from. But this is academic, because the category itself notes that it will include ALL people from several MA counties as well as Rockingham and Strafford Counties, NH. I would suggest the aforementioned subcategories be created now, rather than when this category is more heavily populated sometime in the future.
 * I would also urge whoever dreamed this category up to limit "from Boston" to those who were 1) born there or 2) spent most of their lives there or 3) made an impact there in some fashion - for more than two years. It would also have made more sense to call it "People from Boston MSA" for the Metrop. Statistical Area, so it wouldn't be so misleading. - Nhprman List  21:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Invite
Wanted to let you know that WP:BIOGRAPHY has added a "work group" called Politics and government, and so wanted to invite you to participate on any biography-type articles. The section for NH is here and if there's interest, we can beef it up to look like the newly-created Virginia one plange 05:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Infobox City Done!
I've just completed adding the Infobox City template to all NH cities and towns. They are all populated with a map, lat & long coords, county, date of incorporation, geographical characteristics, and demographic information. I've added the town seal, form of local government, members of local government (Board of Selectmen, usually), and website for those where that information was available. I've also updated the checklist for articles regarding municipalities in New Hampshire where needed. I'm going to make another (quick) pass through all the towns and cities to standardize things like the map size, "County" intsead of "Counties", and section titles. As usual, if I've made a mistake or if information needs to be updated (selectmen especially), be bold! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Cities and towns with stubs
I'm looking for some input from some more experienced Wikipedia people. Since Do you think it's okay to remove the from them all? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) All NH cities and towns have infoboxes (though un-incorporated places still need help, and
 * 2) All NH cities and towns (and I think even un-incorporated places) all have "Geography" and "Demographics" sections at the very least

Historical Markers
Does it seem like the alphabetical list of NH historical markers (referred to on the To Do list) is done? There are 188 markers listed on the alpha list and 188 in the numerical list. All that I can see that might need to be done is un-capitalize the alpha list? Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

on Categories?
I'm updating some New Hampshire related articles to have the notice on them. Do Category talk pages get the notice as well? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Live Free or Die!
That is allZzz345zzz

New Articles
We need to look over new articles and stubs. Recently added were: Pinkham Notch, Great Gulf and Huntington Ravine -- Sturgeonman 00:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hebron
I'm not clear on the protocol for removing articles from the list of ones being improved, but I think Hebron, New Hampshire has been sufficiently attended to, by removing the material that had been lifted from another website. GMcGath 16:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to new WikiProject
A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. -Ebyabe 19:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Climate section
The article New Hampshire lacks a climate section. Jcam 21:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

- keep?
Before bringing this up on a TFD, I thought I'd check here. Does anyone see a reason to keep the template ? It seems redundant when we have ... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Massholes
There is no reason for this article to be under New Hampshire project. Caf3623 00:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the article should be removed from WP:NH because the article doesn't assert why or how "Massholes" affect New Hampshire more than any other state in New England. --EvaGears 15:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)