Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Jersey/Archive 2

Any Good High School Articles
Are there any exceptional high school articles that can be used as a base for other high schools. I have started the Shawnee High School article and it seems to be limiting information.

What is everyone's opinion on what should be included in high school articles? Here are some things that I think should definitely be included...


 * Introduction
 * School Infobox
 * History
 * Administatation
 * Athletics
 * Notable Alumni
 * External Links (link to school website)

Sharpdust 01:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * What would be in the Administration section? A list of the school's administrators wouldn't be particularly notable or useful.  A section on academics should appear, including advanced placement classes, the District Factor Group, the latest results from the NJDOE school report card  should be mentioned or at least linked to.  Also USDOE NCES  info may be useful.  I don't know of any school articles that include this all of this info, but maybe others do.  Hope this helps.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 03:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * See WikiProject Schools. AndyZ 23:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

ZIP Codes?
I've noticed that most (if not all) town articles do not include ZIP codes. Is there a specific reason against adding them, or is it something to consider adding to articles (or possibly something that could be added to "Infobox Template:Infobox Town NJ will be a vertical box on the top right of an article" (from WP:NJ) when it's been created)? MrD9 07:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Some towns/cities have many zip codes. Others share a zip code with other municipalities.  Zip codes don't always follow town borders.  I think doing this accurately and completely would be on the excessive side.  However, there is a place where this information is appropriate IMO: List of ZIP Codes in New Jersey.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Comma Comment
I've been looking through a lot of NJ pages over the past few days, and I've noticed that there appear to be recurring missing commas in the first sentences of many articles (and in other places in them). Obviously it's nothing to search pages trying to correct, nor am I trying to make a point out of it other than posting this for future reference for those who are interested: Again, I do not mean to criticize anyone or anything--in fact, I was amazed when I found WP:NJ and pages for much of the state a few weeks ago (and thank you to all of you for creating them)--especially because I am new, but I just thought I'd mention this. MrD9 08:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Towns and States: A comma is required after the state when used in a sentence. Trenton, New Jersey, <<< is the capital of New Jersey. Wildwood, NJ, <<< is in Cape May County.
 * Years: When writing out full dates in words with a month, day, and year, a comma must go after the year in most cases. ex: The new law passed on December 10, 2005, <<< made it illegal to.... Better example: January 9, 1960, <<< is Susan's birthday.
 * Commas with Quotes: Standard written American English (although Wikipedia is not limited to just the US, NJ is located there) provides for commas and periods to be placed inside closing quotes, while semi-colons go outside. Quesiton marks go inside if part of the quote or outside if not. ex: "I like New Jersey," Bob said, "more than any other state." (not ... Jersey", Bob... state".)
 * I disagree: In the first example you provided, by adding a comma "trenton, NJ" is no longer the subject of the sentence. It is correct without the comma after NJ. The second example is also incorrect; putting a comma after 2005 again is gramatically incorrect, since you're leaving the sentence without a subject. It is like saying: "The new law, made it illegal." instead of "The new law made it illegal." The third example you provided is correct; it was probably a typo by the user who typed it in. AndyZ 14:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey wait a minute, you are correct! (at least according to Comma (punctuation)). If that is the case, a lot of articles do need to be corrected... AndyZ 14:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Many people, don't follow this rule. Yoda, they would speak like. Time, let us not waste it. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Again, I was just pointing this out for awareness--I was not in any way trying to correct people or to force anyone to do anything. Howerver, this is not the same as using a comma after every subject. It is simply that years, states, countires, ... technically should be set off by commas. New Jersey has many people, but Teterboro, New Jersey, does not. MrD9 18:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project
Recently, one of the other projects I'm a member of received a message from a member of the Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. They recently began assessing using these criteria, and are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. I already put History of New Jersey on the list. But I figured I'd mention it here anycase anyone else can recommend any suitable articles? Check it out here. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 18:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, the only articles listed on the Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/WPPlaces page are under WP:NJ! New Jersey in the Twentieth Century was named as a good article, and I think New Jersey during the American Revolution is getting there also. AndyZ 23:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! No one from our project has contacted you for a while. Have there been any other articles that meet the criteria in the last month? Tito xd (?!? - help us) 06:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Move of three Passaic County municipalities
Please comment on Talk:Little Falls Township, New Jersey about the following requested moves: Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Little Falls Township, New Jersey to Little Falls, New Jersey,
 * West Milford Township, New Jersey to West Milford, New Jersey, and
 * Wayne Township, New Jersey to Wayne, New Jersey

UPDATE: Moves complete. Passaic county municipalities correctly named. //MrD9 06:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

George Gill Green
Please help save the biography of New Jersey native George Gill Green. He has been tagged for deletion because he is not considered notable. Is it possible that another New Jersey person will deleted from history? Again people are doing a Google search and basing their vote on whether he has been written about by others. With this attitude no new information will be transfered from print to electronic media. Arise! --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

What makes a cemetery notable?
Bloomfield Cemetery, Bloomfield has been proposed for deletion. It contains a Governor on New Jersey. Do you think that a cemetery should only be listed if it has at least two notable burials? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Jr. and Sr. - comma or no comma?
I wanted to mention (half of you probably saw it already via your watchlists to some extent) that I sort of went on a rampage just now changing as many NJ-related names with "Jr." or "Sr." in them to not have commas. Therefore, Thomas Kean, Jr. became Thomas Kean Jr.. I did this for two main reasons: I hope this isn't a big deal, but it just seems more fitting, and I think it looks better. One other thing to keep in mind is that when doing it in reverse name order, use the comma. Kean, Thomas, Jr., not Kean Jr., Thomas. //MrD9 04:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The comma is falling out of disfavor, and logic, Chicago proof, and Strunk/White (Elements of Style) all support not having the comma.
 * Half of the articles said stuff like "Thomas Kean, Jr. is involved in politics." The comma freak that I am, this is wrong (look at my Chicago proof link above), as there should be a comma after Jr., too, in this case, becuase it's being used as nonrestrictive. Rather than correc this, I figured I'd just get rid of them (and, like I said, logic suggests that the Jr. is restrictive (aka no commas) because Jr. and Sr. are two different people.)


 * I'd suggest this be brought up at Manual of Style (biographies) and Naming conventions (names and titles). I'm not sure there is a policy on this yet, and if you feel strongly about it, perhaps it should become policy.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I had also tried to go through the Wikipedia Manual of Style, and I was quite surprised to find no clear policy on how to handle suffixes (Jr., Sr. III, etc.) in names in general and particularly in the titles of articles. Among some notables who meet this criteria are Martin Luther King, Jr. and Albert Gore, Sr., where in both cases the article title does include the comma. (Al Gore is a junior, but chooses not to go by his full name, a la Bill Clinton and Thomas Kean, so that doesn't provide any evidence either way). I have always leant towards use of the comma as a separator (including a comma after the nonrestrictive Jr. when preceded by a comma), but I recognize that the Chicago Manual of Style and Strunk & White are strong arguments for the alternative. I would suggest that this issue be raised as a Manual of Style issue and that any existing pages remain as is until we have more definiitive Wikipedia consensus for elimination of the comma. Alansohn 13:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I have seen it both ways on Wikipedia, and ironically, William Strunk Jr. has no comma (well, maybe it's not that ironic... I will, however, submit it to MOS (prob. tomorrow). I simply thought removing them would be much easier than trying to go thrhough them adding commas, and if anyone's strongly opposed, I'll go back and revert/remove/add-in-commas. //MrD9 23:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I ended up having time today, so the proposal. //MrD9 00:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Closure? The MOS page is Naming conventions (people). (A hard page to find. I did not find it via Wikipedia search or browse.  I did not find it via Google search directly.)  It currently prescribes adding ", Jr." (and ", Sr."), even though ordinals do NOT get commas. I found no discussion of this question over there, so I copied this topic (everything above this paragraph) to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people) ([Please don't comment further on this subject on this page; continue the discussion over there.) --Whiner01 02:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Matavan beach
Does anyone know where Matavan beach is and if it the same as Matawan, New Jersey? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 20:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The USGS GNIS database returns no hits.  I've never heard of it.  Could it be a typo?  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 23:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The photos are from 1915-1918. There is a town Matawan, New Jersey but they don't have a beach. The person who took the photos lived in Keansburg, New Jersey.

State Parks
Anyone who wants to help write stubs for the State Parks please join in. Don't forget to add the template to each entry: Template:New Jersey Parks. Just click on the template to see which ones are still red. Cheers. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC) (Link correction //MrD9 02:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC))

Lists
Borrowing the idea from U.S. Wikipedians' notice board, perhaps it would be a good idea to "assign" members of this wikiproject a non-existant article to complete each week as an optional thing? That way, we could probably make our way through the lists covered by WP:NJ. Willing participants could perhaps take a red link from, say List of Governors of New Jersey, and create an article for the red link. Just a suggestion for those willing to do so, AndyZ 23:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been doing that already with school districts, high schools, governors and County routes. But a more organize New Jersey Collaboartive Effort of the Week might be more organized and productive. AndyZ, you've made the suggestion, why don't you put up a to do list that we can use as a sign-up sheet. let's see who can get the most done the fastest. Alansohn 19:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I tried to jump start a New Jersey collaboration of the week, based largely on WP:USCOTW. Hopefully this will provide a systematic way to create/improve NJ-related articles. AndyZ 13:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll start adding to the user talk pages of the participants of WP:NJ; that should give NJCOTW a boost. Perhaps the topic should be changed to Templates for New Jersey counties, falling right in hand with the Template Project below on this page?
 * Thanks for participating in Wikiproject New Jersey. In an attempt to create articles for some of the non-existing pages related to New Jersey, NJCOTW was recently created to bring members of WP:NJ together to work collaboratively on a certain selected topic, which this week is List of Governors of New Jersey. Please help by nominating/voting/commenting on articles on WP:NJCOTW, or by helping to improve articles in the scope of the topic for the NJCOTW.
 * AndyZ 23:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

GSP / Blue NJ road image
[blue NJ hourglass-like image. I was on the Parkway a few months ago (or in the summer?), and I saw this blue hourglass-like NJ image a few times on a few signs in about the 140-150 range, I think... I forgot about it, but I just ran across it on this website, and remembered I didn't know what it was. What is it for? I've never noticed it before whenever I saw it sometime since last summer. At first I thought it was some new Turnpike image, but I do not think it is? //[[User:MrD9|MrD9]] 06:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's the logo for the Meadowlands. Darkcore 07:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's the old Meadowlands logo. &mdash;chair lunch dinner&trade; (talk) 19:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Attorneys General
I see NY has a list -- List of New York State Attorneys General -- should NJ get one? -- Sholom 20:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Why not? //MrD9 02:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

County Template Project
Help complete the county templates. Just sign your name with four tildes ( ~ ) to reserve a county for yourself: --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Atlantic County, New Jersey Alansohn 03:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Bergen County, New Jersey - Alansohn 17:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Burlington County, New Jersey
 * Template:Camden County, New Jersey
 * Template:Cape May County, New Jersey
 * Template:Cumberland County, New Jersey
 * Template:Essex County, New Jersey
 * Template:Gloucester County, New Jersey
 * Template:Hudson County, New Jersey - Alansohn 17:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Hunterdon County, New Jersey --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Mercer County, New Jersey
 * Template:Middlesex County, New Jersey --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Monmouth County, New Jersey
 * Template:Morris County, New Jersey Alansohn 03:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Ocean County, New Jersey
 * Template:Passaic County, New Jersey - Alansohn 17:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Salem County, New Jersey
 * Template:Somerset County, New Jersey --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Sussex County, New Jersey - Alansohn 17:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Union County, New Jersey
 * Template:Warren County, New Jersey

Please view/make further related comments at /template's talk page's section for county templates. Remember to put anything that becomes "policy" on the /templates page under "Usage notes."


 * FYI, there is a discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Jersey/templates about the use of county seals in the templates. They have been removed from several of the templates already. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 03:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Templates
I spent a few (actually, a lot more than that) hours over the past few days overhauling the templates section of the WP:NJ page. I liked Alansohn's listing of the templates out to verify that they were all there (which is also useful also for comparing "parallel templates" [ones that are about different things but fit the same category, such as the different county templates]). Therefore, because it is useful but becuase the main WP:NJ page was becoming a long mess of simply names of NJ legislators, I created the subpage WikiProject New Jersey/templates to be a complete enumeration of all of the NJ templates along with a display of each of them. Becuase it's not always handy to look at the main template subpage with all of the templates also displayed, I also created WikiProject New Jersey/templatelist to be a bare-bones listing of the templates. It should be in the same order as the templates on the main /templates subpage.

This bare-bones listing is going to be (as of now, obviously if you guys hate any of my changes we'll/you'll/I'll/whoever'll get rid of them) shown in the templates section of the main WP:NJ page. However, all comments/debates/questions/whatever regarding templates should be put on the /templates page (again, if I'm being too intrusive or you hate this idea, it's a quick revert). Basically, I liked the way the Manual of Style pages give each subtopic that's large its own page, and I thought this was the best way to deal with the utter mess of a templates section we had. The new /templates main template subpage will also allow for templates (such as the county ones) to be compared, or for things like legislative/congressional/senatorial templatse to be easily verified/updated.

I hope you guys like this. I think it'll work well and be productive/helpful in the long run. //MrD9 04:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Much needed, thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * One suggestion, lets change the comments sections to usage notes and move discussion to the /templates talk page. Thoughts?  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Fine with me... I just wanted to make sure that there was a clear "Templates" part that listed the templates—the old templates section was a mess with mixed comments and templates and stuff that I wanted to avoid that problem—so that's what I had thought of at the time. But either change it, wait for more people to comment first, or I'll change it in a few days when I have time. //MrD9 00:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Templates located at /templates. Template general discussion located at talk:/templates.

block of User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )
All,, a WP:NJ member, has been blocked and then subsequently resigned from Wikipedia. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Help needed with image uploads from one user. This is apparently over a problem with image copyrights. I find this highly irregular and outside of the usual process. Many of the images uploaded are from before 1923, so I don't understand why they are being removed in bulk. Please check all NJ-related articles for images removed by and re-evaluate their copyright status and source information. If the information appears valid (e.g. image from before 1923, therefore PD-US), then please re-add the image to the article(s) it was removed from. Please be sure any image tagged with publicity has a verifiable source and has a fair use rationale if you re-add it to an article. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Corrections:
 * This user has made spurious license claims on images to which he clearly does not hold the copyright. See e.g. HeLa.jpg, or also VanWickle.jpg, to take just two. Ripping images off from other web sites and claiming they were under a free license is a very bad form of copyright violation, because it incites innocent third parties to re-use the image without even realising that they then also violate someone's copyright.
 * As a stop-gap measure, OrphanBot has removed all his images from articles. We'll now have to go through his more than 500 uploads, check and verify the licensing, search for on-line sources outside WP, and the like. It's a mess.
 * The user had initially been blocked indefinitely; that block was later reduced to five days. (Neither by me, I should add. I have from the beginning advocated an indef block only if he continued to upload and mistag images, which he didn't after he was warned. But since this user cannot be trusted to correctly tag an image, his not being around to help cleaning up is no great loss.)
 * Created before 1923 is not the same as published before 1923. Only works published before 1923 are PD in the U.S. See WP:PD.
 * All images must have a source, including PD ones! For paintings: Painter incl. birth and death dates, and as much info on the image that is available. If applicable, also URL or ISBN of book, if scanned. For photographs, one would ideally like to know the photographer, esp. if one isn't sure whether the work was published pre-1923. For things taken from other web sites, at least a URL to a page where one can get info on the image. (A link to the plain jpg source is nice, but even better is a link to the web page where the jpg is used.)
 * Lupo 14:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Lupo, I don't dispute that what Richard did was wrong, but to block him over it appears to be excessive. Yes, each image must be re-examined.  Blocking him doesn't change that.  Now we won't have any input from him to assist in the process (perhaps I'm overly optimistic that he would have been able to help there).  This could have been handled much better (yes, I know it wasn't you who gave the initial blocks).  There is an existing process for copyright violations.  I don't think it should have been subverted just because of the volume.  I am aware of the 1923 creation/publication distinction.  This message was to notify others in WP:NJ more than re-hash the issues of the block.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 17:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yup. I think, en-masse removal from the articles was maybe justified as per my point 1 above: move them to a holding pen, so that innocent bystanders don't get misled. That's all OrphanBot did, other tagging as or  is or will be done by human Wikipedians. I somehow felt it necessary to explain it because of your statement that you found that highly irregular. But no offense taken, and I hope I haven't given any. If I did, I hope you accept my sincere apologies. The rest of my explanations (points 4 and 5) was just to clear up subtle misunderstandings about that "pre-1923" cut-off date and the sourcing of images. Lupo 19:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Lupo, sure, no problem on my end. I do find that going outside of the usual procedures is irregular, and was surprised to find it used in this case.  I hope my wariness didn't come off as taking offense (or cause you to take offense), you have been straightforward about everything involved.  Thanks.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 20:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Answers

 * 2 disputed images out of 500, thats not a bad ratio. HeLa I had attributed to Johns Hopkins University which as pointed out may have been incorrect, I had solicited 6 images from researchers and may have misattributed the one I uploaded. The VanWickle.jpg image and its three sister images came from the Meadows Foundation and were used with permission as was stated in the image entry. All the images from the Meadows Foundation were taken by myself or other volunteers at the Meadows Foundation. I am still blocked at Wikicommons over this dispute. Collectively punishing all my images over a few disputed images was excessive and would violate the Geneva Convention covering Edit Wars, if such a document actually existed. All my images were orphaned, and once an image is orphaned it is automatically tagged for deletion, and auto deleted in 7-days. This was bad enough, but then blocking me from Wikipedia for life while my 500 images were being deleted was "redundant overkill". Once an image is deleted its gone for good, which punishes me and the people that took the time to scan and send me images. Please also note that none of the disputed images were listed under a free license, all were listed under the "cc-by-2.5" license with copyholder listed as "Meadows Foundation". All of which could have been cleared up with leaving me a message or asking to see an authorization letter from the Foundation.

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation
Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Tito xd (?!? - help us) 18:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Request for review...
I've filed for peer review of the New Jersey Supreme Court @ Peer review/New Jersey Supreme Court/archive2. I would request people who lurk around here to check it out and review it, etc, etc... comment... Thanx everyone. 68.39.174.238 03:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
These are being voted on for deletion. I input the data, I think they are as valid as any other list of geographical entries. They aren't encyclopedic, they are almanacical as are all the lists in Wikipedia. My original plan was to write geographical entries for each cemetery. Please vote to save or delete. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * List of cemeteries in Somerset County, New Jersey
 * List of cemeteries in Middlesex County, New Jersey
 * List of cemeteries in Bergen County, New Jersey


 * Wow! How did we lose the vote for lists of cemeteries? I guess the list of Pokemon characters left no room for geography.
 * Agreed. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 13:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I was also quite disappointed to see the cemeteries gone. I hadn't realized that these articles existsed before the AfD's, and I have been creating cemetery articles, where justified. There's no valid reason that these articles should have been deleted. There is a huge pool of deletionists who will vote to delet anything that they ar unfamiliar with; all you need to do is append "-cruft" to whatever the subject is and that's enough to justify deleting a perfectly legitimate article, a la "Delete: Cemeterycruft." We need to work better together to craft more deletion-proof articles, keep an eye out for AfD's and show our aupport for decent articles that have been targeted by the rabid forces of deletionism. Alansohn 16:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps someone should open a deletion review for these articles. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 17:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The geographical lists are very useful, because they allow you to standardize the names before the articles are created. It also lets the writers see what articles still need to be written. The deleters argued that the information was already covered by a category, but categories only cover existing material. Geographical entries should always be allowed, we don't delete towns because they are not notable. Anyway the lists stated that enties with descriptions needed to have at least one person with a biography in Wikipedia. Did anyone get to see what the final vote tally was? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Moved to protected namespace
You can still contribute to a good project in NJ geography. Remember to always backup your data somewhere! WikiProject New Jersey/Cemeterys

NJ Transit station articles - templates to use
I would like to point everyone's attention to a template I created specifically for use on NJT rail station articles. The template is NJT rail line and its purpose is to replace the currently-used rail line. Please see the template talk for detailed instructions on how to use it; it is a LOT simpler than the current rail line and eliminates the need for piped links. Here's a sample edit which shows the changes necessary to make when doing the conversion. Thanks! lensovet 20:29, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

History buff needed
Please check out List of current and former capital cities in the United States and make sure that New Jersey's capital cities are listed accurately. A word of warning: the page does contain quite a bit of complicated wiki formatting, so if you're not comfortable editing it, just post your changes on the talk page and someone more experienced will apply them to the article. JEK   19:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Nominate articles for Portal:United States
I've worked for the past month to update Portal:United States and keep it better maintained. Though, I think the Portal:United States would be even better with broader participation. One way to do that is instead of choosing the "selected article" myself each week, if others would nominate articles and help make decisions. (same goes for pictures, though these are stocked up through July 29) If there is anything related to New Jersey (or anything else related to the U.S. - culture, music, literature, geography, history, politics, ...), please nominate. I'd also like people to weigh in on the nominations and help select what should be featured. Thanks. --Aude ( talk contribs ) 23:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

New "People from [city]" Categories
Hello, everybody. I am the bozo who just recently created the new subcategories in the "People from New Jersey" category. I thought that some of you might want to know why they were created, and why they often have so few pages in them.

The majority of the states have "People from [state]" categories which have at least 200 entries, sometimes over 1,000. This is clearly an unworkably large number for anyone wishing to use the category for research purposes. In 8th grade in Rapid City, South Dakota, the social studies class asked us to write, over the course of the year, reports on two or three people who were or had been residents of the city. Because of that, I have reason to believe that they could be used and probably are used for research purposes. To make such research easier, I looked at the list of metropolitan statistical areas and basically entered in one new category for each metropolitan statistical area.

I know that many of these categories might well be, in the eyes of you who know more about the cities in question much better than I do, misnamed or otherwise faulty. I apologize for any mistakes I may have made along those lines, and I would welcome any corrections, including deletion, that any of the rest of you might choose to make. With that in mind, I have also generally populated the categories with only one or two names, to ease in the process of deletion or renaming.

I thought you all should know why these categories were created, and felt some degree of responsibility for letting your know. I wish you all the greatest good fortune in making the coverage of your state in Wikipedia of the greatest scope and quality possible, and I hope that I haven't annoyed too many of you by my recent actions. Badbilltucker 13:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

New WikiProject
State and county highways now have their own WikiProject at WikiProject New Jersey State and County Routes. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 00:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

New Jersey Portal
I was surprised to see that we didn't have a portal, so I just created it at Portal:New Jersey. It just started out so please add any suggestions either on the talk page, tell them to me on my talk page, or just be bold and add what you think would be good to the portal yourself.--Jersey Devil 23:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

NJT station links
Hello, we now have a new template for linking to stations, njt-sta! It means that now there is absolutely no need to type piped links into station articles! Check out its talk page for instructions. lensovet 22:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you aware of the pipe trick? --SPUI (T - C) 16:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Raritan River bridges
I've added stubs for the Albany Street Bridge, the Donald and Morris Goodkind Bridges, and the Basilone Bridge. The bridge immediately upstream from Albany Street is an Amtrak/NJT railroad bridge, and I don't know its name (if it has one). So, I just called it "Northeast Corridor". Please feel free to double-check, expand, and keep moving upstream. Wl219 02:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Also added the John Lynch Bridge. Wl219 04:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The North Jersey Coast Line R.R. bridge is, according to Google Maps, the last bridge to cross the Raritan before it empties into the ocean. It's currently listed as "Raritan River Bridge" although I don't know if that's accurate. Wl219 08:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Article about New Jersey in pop culture?
Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, but I'm trying to find information concerning New Jersey being at the butt end of jokes for no apparent reason, especially when told from the perspective of New York City.

One specific example I can think of is in the first episode of the show Futurama, in which Fry is frozen at New Year's Day 2000 in New York City and is unthawed in 3000 in what has become New New York City. He's looking for a place to live and is having little luck. He does find the perfect apartment, but the real estate agent tells him that there's one catch: It's technically in New Jersey. This makes the apartment thoroughly undesirable to Fry.

If someone directed me to an article, or if one were created, it would be greatly appreciated. Äþelwulf See my contributions. 18:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Goverment Shutdown article
The 2006 New Jersey State Government shutdown is coming along nicely, but could use the help of more members of this wikiproject. Anyone have any information that they would like to contribute, please feel free to help out. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 14:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Stub deletion notification
This message is to inform the WikiProject that NewJersey-stub and are being considered for deletion at WP:SFD. The category is currently undersized, meaning it has less than 35 articles. Please populate this within 6 days (July 27th) or the stub template and category will be deleted. If you have a question, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or on the SFD page. Thanks you and happy editing. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  17:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Rutgers
If anyone's interested, I'd like to lead off a major renovation of the Rutgers-related articles (Rutgers-Newark/Camden especially). A lot need to be expanded, etc. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 20:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

A Complaint in the week of August 3rd
As a New Jerseyan, member of this WikiProject, I can say, truly, that I am the only one that has worked on this week collaboration. To be honest, I am quite dissapointed at the rest of the team. Also, I need some peoples to work with me to enhance the Sandy Hook article, and the Long Branch, NJ article. If you don't know about Long Branch, it is a political hotspot regarding eminent domain. I'd like to head the reconstruction of these articles. --Evan 00:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD's for Atlantic County Freeholders
There is a group of AfD's for articles relating to the Atlantic County Board of Chosen Freeholders (see Articles for deletion/Atlantic County Board of Chosen Freeholders and Articles for deletion/Joe Kelly (Freeholder). As indicated on the Freeholder AfD, I believe that the Freeholder article should be merged into the Atlantic County, New Jersey article (to become a redirect), but that the articles for the individual Freeholders should stay, as there is ample material to expand these articles to meet the level of the several dozen other New Jersey Freeholder articles. While I hope that you will support my suggestion, I would like to encourage other WP:NJ participants to express their opinion on the issue. Alansohn 15:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

More dissapointment!
Honestly- COME ON! Let's get some serious work done. If you have done any real large-scale work for the last month, please excuse yourself below, as this comment is undeserved to you, and must be targeted at the lazy ones. I suggest we clear anyone off of the WikiProject who isn't willing to work. Comment below please. Sincerly yours, -[[User:Esoltas|Esoltas] 01:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC).
 * getting work done is one thing. kicking people off is a completly different thing. maybe something happened in real life that has kept them from editing. for instance in my case, i kinda just moved and started grad school.  therefore, editing for me is at a low.  but when i can spare time here and there, i'll glance over articles for correction. -- ZeWrestler   Talk 01:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Getting work done, massively re-editing the Rutgers University article (when it's not protected from the fem-nazis and their p.c. agenda) and related topics, edited Joyce Kilmer, added a new article about his wife, Aline Murray Kilmer. Three great NJ topics.  All whilst moving, landing a cool job, and enjoying myself (yeah, Jack Daniel's!) Some people have lives, Esoltas. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 02:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Invite
Wanted to let you know that WP:BIOGRAPHY has added a "work group" called Politics and government, and so wanted to invite you to participate on any biography-type articles. The section for NJ is here and if there's interest, we can beef it up to look like the newly-created Virginia one plange 05:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Geography of New Jersey
I started up the article for Geography of New Jersey as per the collaboration of the week. i set up some basic structure based on the landform regions of nj, but it needs a lot more help. so please add on to it guys. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 17:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Project participants may be interested in knowing that Geography of New Jersey is up for voting for collaboration of the week again at Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. Wl219 02:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in New Jersey
There is a discussion taking place regarding whether the List of shopping malls in New Jersey article should be deleted. Accurizer 21:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't find that article terribly compelling. Can anyone give a few sentences as to the distinct contribution of the mall to NJ?  That would strengthen the case for keeping the article (esp. if the sentences were added to the article...).  I'm at a loss for any such reasons myself.  --ishu 22:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Categories for NJ points of interest
I first finished the first draft of Speedwell Ironworks and am struggling with how to categorize it. It seems to me we should create a structure of categories for points of interest in New Jersey, but I'm unclear what the right hierarchy should be - maybe there should be several. For example, this particular place could be categorized as: What do others think? --Leifern 12:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Point of interest in Morris County
 * Historical reconstructions in New Jersey
 * National Historical Landmarks in New Jersey


 * There is an entry for Speedwell Village-The Factory in List of Registered Historic Places in New Jersey. If this is the same place, then Category:Registered Historic Places in New Jersey, which is under Category:Landmarks in New Jersey.  You can certainly add it under Category:Morris County, New Jersey too. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hudson County Vital Records
I'm writing this here, rather than the Hudson County talk page so it gets a bit more exposure, but I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to add the "recent" problem with vital records from this county, that is, all birth certificates were declared invalid back in 2004.

A safer America: The document problem

Is anyone more familiar with this? Mborrelli 11:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to new WikiProject
A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. -Ebyabe 19:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Warren County articles in category for Lehigh Valley?
All, recently municipal articles for Warren County, New Jersey were added to Category:Lehigh Valley even though these locations are outside of the geographical definition of the valley. This also puts the articles underneath the Category:Pennsylvania heirarchy, and I think it will be a source of confusion. There is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania. Please comment there. Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 04:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

New Jersey article
So I happened to just look at the NJ article and realized it's 99 kb long which is huge for an article on Wikipedia. It needs some major attention. In addition, no U.S. state has reached featured article status. We have the History of New Jersey as a featured article and List of New Jersey hurricanes was a featured list, so we probably have the ability to make the New Jersey article featured. I'd be willing to pitch in as I can with clean-up and formatting but I wouldn't be the best choice of writers/researchers. Anyone have thoughts about this? Metros232 21:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Skimming the article briefly, i think the first thing that needs to be done is have information cut from the article, and placed into suporinting articles. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 23:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Paulins Kill
I invite all of you to take a look at Paulins Kill, an article I've been working on for a while, regarding a river in Northwestern New Jersey (USA). I should be almost finished with tonight. I wanted your comments, etc. on it before I submitted it for peer review and possibly as a featured article candidate. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 22:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Before listing it for FA, I'd suggest adding a map.  has been producing high-quality maps including geographic features for some time, so perhaps he could help out here.  Also consider getting some feedback at Good articles.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 23:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Article Assessment
I started a page, categories, etc. for assessing articles, so now that the WikiProject New Jersey template has rankings for article quality and article importance...over the next few weeks, we should start ranking them. If any Pennsylvania's creep in there, I largely stole it lock stock and barrel from WikiProject Pennsylvania. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 22:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC) See here: WikiProject New Jersey/Assessment

Upcoming NYC Meetup
You wanted to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it. Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 22:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The Cooper River
I took the stub that existed and greatly expanded the article on this South Jersey river in Camden County, the Cooper River. Although it's not of high importance, I'd appreciate if any fellow South Jersians could take a look at this. Aufs klo 22:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:NJ, meet WIkiProject: Protected areas
I just noticed last night, when I finally created the Watchung Reservation article, that not only was there no category for protected areas in New Jersey, it seemed a whole bunch of eligible articles had been created with little or no attempt to include them in WikiProject Protected Areas.

I have remedied some of this, by creating and populating the appropriate category and putting PA project boxes on the talk pages of all the state forest articles. But the state parks still need to be addressed. There's an infobox that can go in all of them, too.

But this is way behind other state projects. There are at least five states where there's a similar category. Be aware of it when you create any more park articles.

Also, would someone consider (If I don't do it), reworking the parks template along the lines of Protected Areas of Pennsylvania so that it at least separates state parks and state forests. Yes, I know that in NJ, unlike NY (and PA too? I'm not sure), the state parks and state forests are run by the same agency. But they're different types of PAs, and should properly be treated separately (Whose idea was it to put all the NJ state forests in the NJ state parks cat, too, FTM?) Daniel Case 18:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems clear that Category:New Jersey state parks should be under Category:Parks in New Jersey, but what about Category:New Jersey state forests? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 01:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Bergen County article - requesting review
Hello, before I list the Bergen County article for good article status, I'd like to get some review by WP:NJ members. Please comment at Talk:Bergen County, New Jersey. Thank you. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 05:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article Candidate: Paulins Kill
The Paulins Kill, a river in Northwestern New Jersey, is now a Featured Article Candidate. Please feel free to comment, throw your support, or trash the article here: Featured_article_candidates/Paulins_Kill. Thanks. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 17:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Paulins Kill is still a Featured Article candidate, suggestions have been made and the article has been edited to address all concerns raised...but very few people have given their SUPPORT (The only OPPOSE/OBJECT vote was retracted). Please show up at Featured_article_candidates/Paulins_Kill and give your SUPPORT.  Your support and feedback is needed and appreciated. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 02:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article Candidate: New Jersey State Constitution

 * Similarly, New Jersey State Constitution is up on WP:FAC - Featured article candidates/New Jersey State Constitution, thanks to heavy work by Esoltas. Unfortunately, it still needs some more work to reach FA status (esp. due to grammatical errors in the prose). AZ t 21:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Cemeteries, Churches, etc. in New Jersey
I think it's about time we create a naming convention for cemeteries, churches, and other notable places in New Jersey. I've named some of the articles I've started and on which I am currently working as follows:


 * Stillwater Cemetery (Stillwater, New Jersey)
 * Stillwater Presbyterian Church (Stillwater, New Jersey)
 * Harmony Hill Methodist Church (Stillwater, New Jersey)

I've noticed other cemeteries, churches and places are listed as Name, Town. Some with Town and State. I think we need to organize the name with Town and State. I recently renamed two cemeteries in New Brunswick as First Reformed Church Cemetery (New Brunswick, New Jersey) because their previous name First Reformed Church Cemetery, New Brunswick could have raised confusion with New Brunswick in Canada or other NBs in the U.S. I placed the name New Brunswick, New Jersey in parenthesis for balance and aesthetics. To me, just separating it from the name of the cemetery by a comma is unsightly and unbalanced.

Since there's a level of variation and inconsistency on this issue, I think we need to set out a naming convention for these and other New Jersey articles. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 18:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * IMO, either way is fine, as long as there are redirects for the others methods. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 22:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)