Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City/Archive 2

Marcy Houses
Should Marcy be "the Marcy Houses" or "Marcy Houses"? I've only heard it called "Marcy" or "the Marcy projects". The sign says "Marcy Houses". mynameinc-Review me 00:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The name should be written Marcy Houses, ignore question. mynameinc-Review me 16:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Photo request - Polhemus Memorial Clinic, Brooklyn
It's on the corner of Henry and Amity, across the main Long Island College Hospital building. The hospital sold the building in July 2008 - what's going on there now? NVO (talk) 07:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Peer review for Gillender Building continues
Peer review/Gillender Building/archive1 Your opinions are always welcome! thanks in advance, NVO (talk) 07:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

List of New York City Designated Landmarks
This article stinks. First it's too big and second it's badly organized. So, I've put in a split flag and will split into five boro articles later this month or next unless someone else does it first. Manhattan should also be subdivided. Basically what I want to end up with is similar to the List of Registered Historic Places in New York City articles, whose subjects very much overlap with the NYCDL subjects. Except I don't want photos for most of them. Only ones that aren't in the NHRP articles or their own articles. With the majority of the subjects unillustrated, the remainder can have their pix running vertically down the right margin of the article in the correct sequence, instead of inside the table. Also each subject should have little flags denoting their presence in the National Landmark list, NRHP list, or absence. And the national articles should also flag those subjects that are NYCDL. The first part, putting the already separate tables into separate articles, will be easy. Second part, splitting up Manhattan's tables, harder since I know little of tables but maybe someone else can do that. The rest is a long slog of annotating and cross referencing, no step of which is difficult; it's just that there's a lot of little things to do. Or am I failing to see better methods or a better organizing principle? Jim.henderson (talk) 22:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Some splitting done already. Discussion on further splitting Manhattan and other matters continues at Talk:List of New York City Designated Landmarks. Some more participation there would be appreciated! doncram (talk) 03:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Photo request - Bahamas House (Consulate, UN mission)
Try getting 231 E 46th St - It's the Bahamas House. It has the New York consulate and the UN mission WhisperToMe (talk) 00:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For which page exactly? --Adam Di Carlo (talk) 17:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

New stub-templates
It has come to my attention that back in October a consensus was reached to make stub-templates based only on counties in New York. There is now a push to replace all other stubtemplates be replaced with their county ones. I have tried to explain that NYC should be an exception, but I do believe we'll see, if we havent already, the removal and replacement of the NYC stub template with ones on the individual counties/boroughs. Can we have a discussion here and come to a consensus by the members of this project on whether this is good/bad and if this wikiproject should "fight" this proposal/action?Camelbinky (talk) 22:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Source for New York City landmarks
http://books.google.com/books?id=l-8GZpC8LIYC This book about NYC landmarks - Guide to New York City Landmarks by Andrew Dolkart and Matthew A. Postal - is on Google books. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Photo request - Luxembourg facility
The Luxembourg Facility at 17 Beekman Place, New York, NY 10022 has the consulate in New York and the mission to the UN WhisperToMe (talk) 15:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Great Fire of New York (1845) ?
I was searching for information about the Great Fire of New York (July 19, 1845) with explosion of Crocker & Warren in Broad Street. Affected area (number of destroyed houses): New Street (47 houses), Broad Street (69 houses), Exchange Place (25 houses), Beaver Street (48 houses), Broadway (eastside: 28 houses, westside: 6 houses), Marketfield Street (16 houses), Stone Street (7 houses), South William Street (18 houses), Whitehall Street (2 houses). Can somebody write an article or at least a paragraph in History of New York City (1784–1854)? -- 85.177.183.211 (talk) 11:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Art museum photo weekend
Join us the evenings of Friday February 6 and Saturday February 7 around Wikipedia Loves Art! museum photography events at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Brooklyn Museum.

There will also be a special business meeting on Saturday dedicated to discussing Wikimedia New York City issues with guests from the Wikimedia Foundation. You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Meetup/NYC/Invite list. To keep up-to-date on local events, you can also join our mailing list.--Pharos (talk) 01:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Attributing and contextualizing minority 9/11 theories
Review of Talk:September_11_attacks would be appreciated. The debate here is not about whether the existence of non-mainstream "conspiracy" theories should be mentioned at all, but rather about whether they should be put in context. By "context," I mean the fact that "conspiracy" approaches have been both rejected and accepted by notable entities. In other words, I mean that which is being removed here and restored here. My position is that the National Institute of Standards and Technology and "the community of civil engineers" (both of which have opposed non-mainstream theories) and a third of the American public (which supports these theories), as reported by Time magazine (which even goes so far as to call them "mainstream," but not so far as to voice its own support of them) are all notable enough to mention. My position is that this balance is fully in accord with the spirit of WP:NPOV, and especially in accord with its WP:DUE section, which states that "If a viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents" and therefore, as far as I can tell, encourages the attribution of the minority perspective, regardless of how true or false that perspective may ultimately turn out to be. Indeed, in this debate I have cited WP:V, which states that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Those who oppose the contextualization of these theories have also pointed to WP:DUE, but in a way that I view to be mistaken--namely, by suggesting that reliable sources should back a theory, while WP:DUE emphasizes the extent to which theories are held, regardless of their veracity, rather than "backed" by any particular types of evidence. Thanks, Cosmic Latte (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC) Note: For those who do not share my position (although the spirit of it also applies to those who do), I've made what I feel to be a basic--yet an important--suggestion in this diff on the 9/11 talk page. Cosmic Latte (talk) 03:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

www.in-arch.net
Last weekend an anonymous editor inserted dozens of links to this Web site, and most were reverted as linkspam. Looking at the links, I don't think they should be reverted. The site is not overtly commercial nor does it otherwise look like it violates WP:EL. The only thing wrong was the massive and anonymous insertion of the links. Someone worked hard to link them all to the correct page on the in-arch site (without, somehow, finding out about the benefits of having a Wikipedia account) and I think all those links ought to be restored, as briefly discussed at Talk:3 Park Avenue. Jim.henderson (talk) 04:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
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proposed merge of North River (New York-New Jersey) to Hudson River
The proposed merger of North River (New York-New Jersey) to Hudson River has become surprisingly contentious. Can anyone from this project bring some perspective to the discussion at Talk:Hudson River? Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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First Roumanian-American congregation nominated for FA status
First Roumanian-American congregation, a WikiProject New York City article, is currently being assessed for FA status. Comments welcome here. Jayjg (talk) 01:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

New York City ethnic enclaves
New York City ethnic enclaves - I plan to make each section into article form, and then condense small sections. Any help is welcome. Thanks, mynameinc 00:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It got approved for DYK, now I need someone to evaluate it (Start, C, B). Thanks, mynameinc 19:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * for those enclaves that have their own wiki articles, i say put in a template:further or a template:main . Lucky dog (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Article at AfD
Articles for deletion/List of streets in Brooklyn is at afd. Raises some interesting questions. DGG (talk) 17:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Photo request: JetBlue headquarters in Forest Hills, Queens
Someone ought to take a photo of the JetBlue headquarters in Forest Hills, Queens WhisperToMe (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Pan American World Airways, a featured article, needs more refs
Pan American World Airways was promoted as a featured article in 2005. Now, it needs more references. Otherwise it could lose its FA status. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Pan American World Airways FAR
nominated Pan American World Airways for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Belizean Grove
Just a heads up - Here's a new stub I've tagged with your project.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  16:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

St. John's University (New York)
A content dispute at St. John's University (New York) between an IP editor and a registered editor with a potential conflict of interest has gotten a bit out of hand and devolved into personal attacks, outing, and general nastiness. A 24-hour page protection has been imposed, but I'm requesting that other editors intervene to develop a consensus on the dispute while the protection is in place. Madcoverboy (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems they have calmed down, or maybe one side has won and the other is sulking. Yesterday I bicycled through and took some pictures before being warned off politely by overzealous security guards.  Jim.henderson (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Boroughs of New York City and Counties of New York State are related, but distinct; editing required to clarify this fact
For example, currently 'Bronx County' redirects to 'The Bronx' which describes the Borough of the Bronx. An article for Bronx County, New York is required, distinct from the article for the Borough of The Bronx. The state court system of New York State is organized by county; for example, the 12th Judicial District covers Bronx County; it's employees work for the county or the state, not the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaydlewis (talk • contribs) 04:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless someone has a reliable authoritative source to show me I'm pretty sure NO ONE works for Bronx County, even the Bronx County DA is a state employee not a county one. As for the 12th Judicial District, yea it might cover the borough/county but that doesnt mean the county and the borough are separate entities, the 12th Judicial District is something completely different than either the borough or the county. There doesnt seem to be any reason for the borough and the county to have separate articles, at least not in the case of the Bronx, perhaps for Queens County since that county included the present-day Nassau County up until the consolidation of the 5 counties into the City in 1898, therefore making a Queens County article unique and have a separate history from that of the borough which has only existed since 1898. The Bronx on the other hand existed as a borough first, in 1898, and later as a county (1912 or 1914 something like that) and therefore I dont know what new information you could possibly have that would merit a separate article and would be out of place in the current borough-based article.Camelbinky (talk) 02:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm, The Bronx also sprang from the loins of a split. Until 1898 it was part of Weschester County, then part of New York County until about 1925, so indeed county and boro have separate histories (boro is older) even though they are only one place.  Jim.henderson (talk) 04:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Bronx County (which is not The Bronx, The Bronx is the borough's name, Bronx is the county's name) was split between Westchester and New York counties, it was not all in Westchester, then when the consolidation happened in 1898 the whole became part of New York county, with the Bronx as a borough, then in 1910's (not 1920s) Bronx County was formed, so I'm sorry your history was a bit off but in broad strokes basically correct in its assumptions, but I see nothing in it that contradicts what I wrote in my first post, I already knew the history of the Bronx thanks and didnt think that extra info about Westchester was really necessary to my point, but in the future I'll make sure I put all my knowledge on a subject out there for your benefit so you dont think you are somehow making it seem like I dont know my history, but thats going to make my postings quite large. Yes they have slightly different histories but the histories prior to creation would already be covered in the articles on Westchester and New York counties, since in the case of the Bronx the borough being older is actually an argument AGAINST a separate county article since the borough article can successfully incorporate the history of the borough and the county together. There is no need for multiplying the places to find the same info. Today none of the boroughs has anything unique about them that makes them different from the county that is coterminous with the borough. Convince me of your opinion by showing me info on one of the five counties that would not be able to be successfully incorporated into a borough article without looking out of place. If you cant find enough of that kind of info for an article of sufficient length then this is a moot argument and a waste of time. Your argument of a separate Bronx County article on the basis that prior to creation of the county it was part of different counties is not a logical or acceptable argument since you are basically wanting a county article to cover aspects and history prior to the topic county's creation, that would make the article content off the topic of the article title you are proposing.Camelbinky (talk) 14:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Argument for splitting the article? I can only say, with Leo Bloom, "Scheme?  I propounded no scheme."  The question of which came first, far as I know, is not generally used to decide whether for example the coterminous City and County of San Francisco should be two articles or one.  However, I am interested to learn that Da Bronx now includes territory that was never part of Westchester County, which illustrates that even being misunderstood can lead to new understandings.  Jim.henderson (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just waiting for anyone to come up with any notable encyclopedic information regarding the county Bronx that would not fit properly in the borough The Bronx article and therefore needs its own article. Without sufficient information for a separate article there can not be a separate article. There can not be a duplicate article with duplicate information under a different name for only the sake of having an article under the name of the county.Camelbinky (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Manhattan GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Manhattan for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 19:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Building ID help
Template:POTD/2009-06-30 could use some building identification help from anyone familiar with Manhattan. Thanks!  howcheng  {chat} 23:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Featured article candidate: First Roumanian-American congregation
First Roumanian-American congregation is a Featured Article Candidate. Comments welcome here. Jayjg (talk) 21:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Help out crowdsourcing wiki started by local public radio station WNYC
Join me at the 30 Issues in 30 Days Wiki!

They can use a hand, and they've been great friends of the New York area Wikipedians, with Brian Lehrer presenting at Meetup/NYC/Wiki-Conference 2009--Pharos (talk) 02:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Archives of Central Park Media official website
After discussing whether the web.archive.org archives of the former Central Park Media (a New York City-based company) official website should be included in the article talk page, I have started a discussion on whether to include the archive link to the official website of Central Park Media, a defunct company, in its external links section and infobox. Its discussion page is here: Talk:Central_Park_Media WhisperToMe (talk) 12:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Commons Category Manhattan
I have proposed to make a bunch of new Commons geographic categories for pictures of Manhattan at commons:Category talk:Manhattan, New York City and would appreciate comments. Jim.henderson (talk) 22:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Gavin Cato merge to Crown Heights Riot
Seeking input on my proposed merge of Gavin Cato to Crown Heights Riot. It seems like a pretty obvious move to me, but I didn't want to do it without at least some discussion for a consensus...

Pearl Street
Pearl Street is suffering under the (mis?)conception that Pearl street eas shoreline, it never was as long as Europeans lived there. The street name was De Peral, not parel. Peral is spansish for peartree, so the name was either named after the peartrees that might have been there, remember that the Dutch had been under spanish rule, and som still were in the 1630s. The most plausible is though,- that it is named after a person with the surname De Peral who lived there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.191.145.125 (talk) 20:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

"Rivington School"
We're told that the Rivington School was/is a group of artists, but no reliable sources are adduced. It looks dodgy to me, but I'm very far from NYC. Can somebody here take a look? -- Hoary (talk) 15:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD on Punchball
FYI, there is an deletion discussion (AfD) now on the sport of punchball here.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)