Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City/Archive 5

E42
Any ideas what this is? Jim.henderson (talk) 05:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * There are three of them on that block (East 42nd between 1st Avenue and the FDR), and only the one you shot (the one closest to 1st Ave) has those two boxes attached to the middle of the upright. (see here) They look very much like toilet airvents you see on roof tops, with the funnel-shaped guard preventing rain or airborne stuff getting into what is presumably the hollow upright shaft.  Since the approaches to the Queens-Midtown Tunnel run underneath the street there, I wonder if they're in some way connected to them? Just a guess.  Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:34, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Some similar chimneys(?) were installed on W86th when Con Ed completed a months-long rebuilding project about a year ago. I assumed that they were related to either the gas distribution network or the steam network. Pburka (talk) 14:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks suspiciously like an alarm box or something similar. Epicgenius (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it is a ventilation shaft for the 7 train, I could be wrong. There are some weird ones on 14th street near 8th Ave too. &mdash; MusikAnimal talk 17:43, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep looks like it is a vent. This one is called The Dugong, and there are tons of different ones out there. This particular one also served as an air raid siren. Interesting stuff! &mdash; MusikAnimal talk 16:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

RfC: What is the best name for the article about the street called "Broadway" which originates in Manhattan?
Here. BMK, Grouchy Realist (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Idea: More articles in the Ethnic New York City series
In the Template:Ethnic New York City sidebar I notice there are some articles, but there could be more. Articles could be written about the Chinese or the Bangladeshis or the Indians/Pakistanis in New York. If anyone is interested in doing the research, please do what you can :) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:34, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I may be able to help, especially with neighborhoods in Queens, where there are large populations of different ethnic groups.Epicgenius (talk) 22:34, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I just started Japanese in New York City WhisperToMe (talk) 07:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Puerto Rican migration to New York and ethnicity series article
Doesn't the article Puerto Rican migration to New York only talk about New York City Puerto Rican migration? If so, should it be renamed?

Also would anyone mind expanding Italian Americans in New York City? I had done work on the one on Italian Americans in Philadelphia, and I think there could be more to add to the New York one. Other ethnicity series articles on groups like the Chinese, Koreans, etc would be welcome too! WhisperToMe (talk) 23:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I've moved Puerto Rican migration to New York to Puerto Rican migration to New York City, since it does seem to only talk about migration to NYC. Epicgenius (talk) 15:12, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

South Bronx politician
These are from right to left, US Representative Serrano, Boro Prez Diaz, and a third, probably a member of the NYS Legislature for the South Bronx. Identification? Jim.henderson (talk) 16:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe it's Marcos A. Crespo, Assembly District 85. Pics here. BMK (talk) 18:31, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Splendid; thanks. Now Marcos Crespo has a poor portrait, cut from that pic. Through the people I met that day, I could probably bring together some of his colleagues for a photo session, but my ambition doesn't run that way. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:19, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Patterson Boulevard
Another identification question. A few minutes Googling (and a bit less Binging) didn't find any online page that says such street exists for formerly existed in NYC. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The City's official GIS map doesn't show a "Patterson Boulevard" anywhere in the city, but according to this Flickr photostream, the image shows damage to the A line in the Rockaways. BMK (talk) 19:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * What confuses me is that other pictures in this series, which the MTA has labelled exactly the same as this one, show that the tracks are running parallel to a beach and the water is right there, and I can't see anywhere in the Rockaways where that's the case, only where the tracks hit the peninsula -- and also at Broad Channel to the north. But still no "Patterson Boulevard" in the city, on Long Island, or anywhere in New York that I can find.  I thought perhaps it might have been mislabeled and showed damage to one of the LIRR lines, or maybe the SIR, but I've come across nothing that would back up that supposition. BMK (talk)
 * Thanks; nice to know it isn't my own mental density. Rockaway, I suspect, has a simpler history of street names than Howard Beach or especially Broad Channel, which in turn makes me suspect it's a local informal designation of a street that has an official name or more likely number. I had hoped to pedal to Howard Beach with a biker gang this weekend and quit them after lunch to visit Broad Channel, but the boss (David's a terrific fellow) cancelled due to weather. I'll look for a chance to wander the streets asking for directions when more locals are likely to be out and about. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:50, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The A train doesn't look like it passes over a street named Patterson Boulevard in Broad Channel (or over any street, to be precise). Epicgenius (talk) 19:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Nor any street in Howard Beach, but that picture has to be near a shore. Some day the snow will go away and I can bike around asking questions. Get some pictures from the ferry, too, if that still runs. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

New York Times citation generator and userbox your members may like
-- Djembayz (talk) 16:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably would be better at the WikiProject Journalism. And it may be recommended to move it to User:UBX/NYT Wikipedia reference generator. Epicgenius (talk) 21:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Subproject flagging
I think the WPbanner WPNYC should add parameters to support flagging the public transport and public art task forces. Then would work
 * WikiProject Public Art/NYC
 * WP:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation

So how about it? -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. Epicgenius (talk) 04:13, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. While we are on the subject of subprojects, I wonder if we should have one for each of the five boroughs. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: It has been done by . Epicgenius (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Portal:New York City
FYI, I'm intending on nominating the project's portal for Featured Portal status in the near future. Yesterday I added DYKs (almost ten full sets of five now, each set with an image), selected articles and biographies, and tinkered with the layout and a few other minor things. It's pretty close FPO already. If anyone else wants to help, the more the merrier. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

As I mentioned yesterday, I have nominated the portal. Please engage in discussion at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:New York City. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Eyes requested
A two-editor discussion at Talk:Park Avenue could use more input. BMK (talk) 22:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

A Contract with God Featured Article Candidate
I've put the article for Will Eisner's 1978 graphic novel A Contract with God up as a Featured Article Candidate. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the review at Featured article candidates/A Contract with God/archive1. Thanks, Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

NYPL puts 20,000 new antique maps online
Openculture.com CC0 license for download. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:14, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

MTA dead links
There are a lot of dead links on MTA-related pages because MTA recently moved all its pages to new URLs.

For example, the URL http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_sub_annual.htm was moved to http://web.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_sub_annual.htm.

The URLs all have to be changed from http://www.mta.info/... to http://web.mta.info/... Can someone with AWB do this? (Update: See also .) --Epicgenius (talk) 18:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

1890s "Accident" on Broadway
Another location question. I am unable to identify the distinctive background dome on left or the probable elevated station on right. These cable cars operated on Broadway from Battery to 36th Street and I suspect it's one of the Avenues, north of the Houston Street power station. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It is possible that building in the drawing is long gone. There were only a finite number of locations where an elevated train met Broadway. For this reason I suspect we might be looking south from Herald Square (maybe this building), or at 66th and Broadway. &mdash; MusikAnimal talk 15:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's gotta be under one of the els. It is Herald Square, as mentioned below. Epicgenius (talk) 17:25, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, Greeley Square is my guess. At first I hoped it was the Herald building but no, that didn't have such a tower. Two plans occur to me. A few hours from now I'll walk from Times Square to McSorley's Old Ale House for a reunion, with eyes open for that tower. More tedious but more hopeful, look in Commons for hundred year old pictures of Broadway. As for Lincoln Square where the 9th Ave El crossed Broadway, cable cars apparently never went that far north. Jim.henderson (talk) 11:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * While this is a fun discussion, remember that none of the conclusions may be published in WP unless we have a reliable source to support the location. Our own guesses and detective work are obviously WP:OR. Pburka (talk) 12:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Sure. I should have been explicit. This is the guesswork stage of research, which may guide real original research, which if successful will lead to a definite location, which is only valid for an article if it leads to a reliable document such as a relevant and clearly identified photo of the place. Which, alas, is improbable but possible. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It was on the south side of Herald/Greeley Square. Look at this image in the NYPL's digital archive, labelled "Broadway and Sixth Avenue looking south from Greeley Square". BMK (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * According to the small print, the building was the Union Dime Savings Bank. BMK (talk) 15:57, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Here it is again in a hand tinted photograph. It was on 32nd Street. BMK (talk) 15:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know when the Union Dime building came down, but the current building on that site, a non-descript 6-story building was put up in 1929 - so Musik Animal was correct about the location. BMK (talk) 16:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * According to this, the Union Dime building went up in 1876, and the bank left in 1910, selling the building for a cool million ($250/sq ft). (Actually, $1.5 million according to this.  This says the building was demolished in 1956, but that conflicts with the information on the city's GIS map., which says the current building was put up in 1929.  To my eye, the current building looks more like a cheap 1929 building then it does a cheap 1956 building, but I'm no expert. BMK (talk) 16:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * This half-hearted attempt at decoration looks kinda deco-ish to me, so I'm sticking with 1929. (Not that any of this has anything to do with your question, Jim, you just got me on a roll and I can't stop.) BMK (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Great nerdy fun. Unfortunately I'm on my way to Northvale, NJ and won't have time to figure whether this has an impact on an article. Well, actually that visit is fun with friends, but anyway it would be nice if someone put the location template on the picture in question. And NYPL put those other pix on their site because they're PD, so maybe someone will want to set up a system for swallowing them en masse or just pick out some cherries (including these) for Commons. Jim.henderson (talk) 11:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Haitian speakers?
There are some articles about New York City that would be helpful over at the Haitian Creole Wikipedia. Do any NYC Wikipedians know Haitian speakers who can be recruited? Also if they want to start stubs on topics related to Miami that would be very helpful WhisperToMe (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Opinions requested...
...at Talk:Astor Opera House. It's pretty trivial, but it would be nice to settle the matter. BMK (talk) 16:06, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Anna Wintour Costume Center
When you get a chance, could you take a picture of this and add it to the page (I am a bit surprised I can't find anything at all to illustrate this article!) Jane (talk) 07:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

High Service Station, West 98th St
Any idea what this was for? My first guess was, something to do with Old Croton Aqueduct but I suspect that was already torn down by 1893. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:15, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh. on Google Books. Should search properly first, then ask. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:19, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:NYC boroughs
Wouldn't it look better if NYC boroughs were placed below the borough infobox in each of the boroughs' articles? As it is, it's in an awkward location and looks out of place. Esszet (talk) 02:35, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me, and it's taking up what would otherwise be unused whitespace next to the TOC. Efficient and close enough to the top of the article to be handy.  I don't see a problem. BMK (talk) 02:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The unused whitespace next to the TOC wouldn't be an issue; it's very common, and it doesn't look bad at all. If it were beneath the borough infobox, it wouldn't be in the awkward position between the TOC and the borough infobox where it doesn't line up with the latter (a major source of demographic information) and looks as though it was simply placed in the center of the article without concern for aesthetic appeal. Esszet (talk) 14:53, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you agree or disagree? Esszet (talk) 12:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree. BMK (talk) 14:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd show you what I mean, but I can't figure out how to get the NYC boroughs box to go below the borough infobox…do you know how to do that? Esszet (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Please do not disrupt Wikipedia to make a WP:POINT. I know what it would look like, I spend a lot of time on article layout, and I disagree with you, so there's no reason to "show me". BMK (talk) 02:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I wasn't going to disrupt Wikipedia; I was going to see if I could send you a link to the preview page, but since that won't work, I would've created a User sandbox page…anyway should we get other people's thoughts on the matter? Esszet (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The template's placement is a bit unusual among Wikipedia articles, but that placement serves its function well. As BMK pointed out, it normally occupies white space. Even if the ToC is collapsed, it still has the advantage of being in a fixed and early position in each of the boroughs' articles. The information it provides would be impractical in a typical navigation box at the bottom of the article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. Also, having the table in the top left of each article eliminates the need to scroll down to below the table of contents to see statistics, while the articles have even more white space than they have now. Having the table in a navbox would be totally useless, as it would be collapsed in the bottom of the page, with no useful links (the boroughs are already linked in other places, making the navbox useless). Epicgenius (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not what I'm saying; I'm saying we should put it below the borough infobox at the top right of the article. Esszet (talk) 18:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm confused; below the infobox is not the top right of the borough articles. OTOH, the placement in Demographics of New York City could be improved. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:10, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I was saying the borough infobox is at the top right-hand side of the article; what do you think of putting NYC boroughs beneath it? I'd like to put it there for the same reasons you'd like to move it in Demographics of New York City.  If you try to put it beneath the picture at the top right, however, it puts it next to the picture (or infobox).  I think that could be why it it's in such an awkward position in the first place. Esszet (talk) 18:56, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I confused myself when I said ...eliminates the need to scroll down to below the table of contents to see statistics.... In any case, the infobox should be at the very top of the page when possible. Epicgenius (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying we should move the infobox; i"m saying we should move NYC boroughs. Esszet (talk) 00:14, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's why I said the infobox should be at the very top of the page when possible. So the NYC boroughs doesn't get moved above the infobox. Epicgenius (talk) 01:14, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * @Esszet: Look, you came here to get opinions on your idea, and you've gotten them. That no one agrees with you is unfortunate, but that's the way it happens sometimes.  Beating this dead horse is not productive, so I suggest you drop it, and next time be prepared to get the answer "No" when you ask a question. BMK (talk) 01:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. I never suggested that it be put into a navbox, and when I said it should be placed below the borough infobox at the top right of the article, I meant that the borough infobox was at the top right-hand side of the article and that NYC boroughs should be placed beneath it, not above it.  Just to be entirely clear, I'm proposing that NYC boroughs be placed in the same position as the satellite picture here.  I know you disagree, BMK.  What do the rest of you think? Esszet (talk) 03:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand exactly what you suggested, and I do not think it would improve the article. Let it go. BMK (talk) 04:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You asked again, and like BMK, I did understand your objection and your request. I still think that the current arrangement works just fine. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There are three editors in opposition to the change. I don't think this argument is worthwhile. Epicgenius (talk) 12:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I thought I had been misunderstood. Esszet (talk) 13:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Please stop messing around, your edit to the template broke it. BMK (talk) 14:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I didn't think it would affect the template in the borough articles themselves. Esszet (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

34th Street (IRT Flushing Line) entrance


I have a mediocre picture of the main station entrance to the 34th Street (IRT Flushing Line) station: File:7 subway extension 34th Street main entrance 1.JPG. If anyone has a better picture of the station entrance, it would be appreciated. Epicgenius (talk) 12:02, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Hudson Park and Boulevard
By chance, does anyone happen to have a map of the Hudson Park and Boulevard handy? I would like to add it to the article, but no map of the boulevard exists on Commons now; any map is appreciated. Thanks, Epicgenius (talk) 01:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Met Gala exhibit/fashion themes
I may have to remove the list of Met Gala themes unless someone can find a source for it. The list was added by what is almost a WP:SPA with minimal other activity on WP. If you can help, please come by or comment at Talk:Met_Gala.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:06, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Met Gala event day chairs
Given the success of my request above, I am asking if people would also be willing to help fill in Met_Gala. Leave comments at Talk:Met_Gala.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:14, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Met Gala Benefit Chair vs. Event Day Chair
Does anyone understand what the difference is between the Met Gala chair of the benefit and the (honorary) chair of the event day (e.g., http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/09/nyregion/chronicle-299595.html)? Should we include both? Please comment at Talk:Met_Gala.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 03/06
Draft:20 Times Square. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:50, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in the Americas may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:02, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

85th Street (Manhattan)
Yesterday I redirected the 85th Street (Manhattan) article.

A couple of hours later  the merge, saying "".

It is redundant to a section in the List of numbered streets in Manhattan article, so I redirected it. However, I'd like others to comment first about whether to merg the article or delete the redundant section in List of numbered streets in Manhattan. Epicgenius (talk) 11:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see sources establishing anything about 85th Street. 86th is the major crossstreet, why do we need an article on 85th? – Muboshgu (talk) 12:12, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and it was kept at AfD six years ago. Consensus can change. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Replacing article text with a REDIRECT to a list entry is equivalent to article deletion by stealth. The AfD in 2008 was clear in its decision to keep. If a deletion is desired now, a new AfD has to be opened. The duplication of the article with the list entry is easily fixed, analogous to, for example, List of numbered streets in Manhattan and many otheres there. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not asking for the article to be deleted, that's why I'm not taking it to AfD yet. I am saying that it's redundant to a section inside a larger article, which actually has more content about the street than the 85th Street article does. BTW, the Articles for deletion/79th Street (Manhattan) nomination in 2008 wanted to take about 20 articles to deletion, many of which were, in fact, articles about major streets (and was probably in bad faith, judging from the Articles for deletion/Astoria Boulevard nomination). Epicgenius (talk) 18:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Please see Articles for deletion/85th Street (Manhattan). Epicgenius (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * This is now sourced. The redundant input on the list of numbered streets was unsourced, and tagged for that malady, and has been removed per the tag and wp:v. And I agree with Michael B's comment above. Epeefleche (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've made an additional comment: "[Although] it's sourced, ... now it's more of a list of landmarks along the street than a description of the street itself; it still may not be notable for that reason." Epicgenius (talk) 20:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the comments at the AfD you started are instructive on this point. Epeefleche (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Should Nikola Tesla's birthplace be changed?
An RfC Should Tesla's birthplace be changed? has been created. Comments are welcome.- MrX 15:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject New York City At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

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• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

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• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

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For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 15:16, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

One if by Land, Two if by Sea Restaurant
In reading an article from the nyc blog, the Bowery Boys, the building housing, One if by Land, Two if by Sea restaurant was originally a carriage house that was part of the Richmond Hill Estate. The Estate, among others, housed George Washington and served as it's headquarters during the Revolutionary War and were owned both by Vice President John Adams and subsequently, Vice President Aaron Burr. Shortly after the duel with Hamilton July 10, 1804, Burr sold the 26-acre estate to John Jacob Astor. Aside from sectioning off most of the land into many smaller parcels to be sold, Astor moved the main mansion to roughly the current intersection of Varrick and Charlton streets. The carriage house was moved further north and was re-purposed, ultimately landing where it now houses One if by Land, Two if by Sea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.114.213.77 (talk) 01:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you'll find this information already in the article Richmond Hill (Manhattan). BMK (talk) 02:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

New York City topless law

 * Brooks, Railan. "A Woman Sues New York City After She Was Arrested for Going Topless in a Brooklyn Park" (Archive). Village Voice. Wednesday October 9, 2013.
 * In fact in NYC it is legal for a woman to be topless in areas where a man may be topless. Where may this information be posted?WhisperToMe (talk) 22:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe that your statement is accurate, but you're going to need a reliable source to back it up. BMK (talk) 22:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The Village Voice counts as a reliable source. However I should be able to find more sources about this. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * One more:
 * Sanghani, Radhika. "Free The Nipple: why on earth do women want to walk around topless in public?" The Telegraph. June 6, 2014. "Lina Esco, a filmmaker who began the Free The Nipple movement, explains that “according to statute 245.01 per the Appeals Court of The State/City of New York, it is completely legal for a woman or a man to opt not to wear a shirt (or bra) in public”."WhisperToMe (talk) 00:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This is probably a better Voice article, and this from the NYTimes is probably the best of the lot. BMK (talk) 00:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is specifically relevant to NYC. As the articles Toplessness and Topfreedom point out, there are many places with similar considerations. The movement GoTopless claims it's widespread even in the US: http://gotopless.org/topless-laws. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * See this article (Village Voice). Yes, it's perfectly legal for women to be topless in NYC if it's not in a sexual nature (which also applies to topless men). What does this have to do with the NYC project? Epicgenius (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's legal. Yes, it's not the only place. Yes, it relates to New York inasmuch as there was litigation against NYC on this point, which was covered in RSs. Yes, there are multiple RSs that have substantive coverage of this. And yes, I've seen people availing themselves of the latitude of the court decision on the streets in the concrete canyons of Manhattan. Epeefleche (talk) 03:26, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sometimes multiple young women operate as topless buskers in Times Square. They are not a main target of current agitation for regulation, which agitation focuses on buskers who wear rather too much. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:10, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Merge discussion at Talk:West End Avenue
A merge discussion has come up at the articles West End Avenue and 11th Avenue (Manhattan); outside feedback is appreciated. Epicgenius (talk) 00:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Sculptures of Horace Greeley
If anyone has the time and interest, it might be good to have someone else review the two sculptures of Horace Greeley in NYC. I created Horace Greeley (sculpture) to disambiguate Horace Greeley (Doyle) and Horace Greeley (Ward), after I realized there were two sculptures of the same guy within Manhattan. However, I have seen many different years for the cast and dedication dates. If someone has time to expand these articles and confirm the creation dates and categorize appropriately, that would be great. I think they are disambiguated and linked within the encyclopedia appropriately, but again, any help with confirming would be helpful. Thanks for your consideration. Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Discrepancy in the date of the Paramount Theater closing.
In the article, there are two different dates for the closing of the theater. The first date that appears is the year 1964. The second date is February 1966. I saw the Beatles in person there on September 20, 1964 at their last concert of their first US Tour in 1964. Part of the theater was then being renovated or being prepared for demolition--I don't know which. However, the second date includes the last movie shown there--James Bond's "Thunderball." I imagine that can be fact-checked to come up with the correct date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.226.63 (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2014‎ (UTC)
 * Paramount Theatre – the one located at 1501 Broadway – did close in 1964. It is in the source, . Epicgenius (talk) 20:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Pabst Hotel
I'd appreciate a look at this new article. Vzeebjtf (talk) 13:46, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone else take over, please. This user is exhausting my patience by claiming retaliation and vandalism. Epicgenius (talk) 23:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This is his usual pattern of behavior. I gave up trying to work with him some time ago -- although I will say that he's an excellent researcher.  I'm really surprised that he asked here for someone to take a look, since he doesn't appear to know how to collaborate. (Delve into the history of his talk page, and you'll see what I mean.) Perhaps someone with a boatload of patience and absolutely no ego at all might give it a try. BMK (talk) 01:45, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I can see why you're surprised. Perhaps he really doesn't want help, either. Epicgenius (talk) 02:34, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Phase 3 of High Line...
...just opened 2 days ago, and I've got some poor, amateurish-looking shots there. Can other members of WPNYC (probably or ) take better pictures? Any better pictures of that new section are appreciated. Thanks in advance. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:39, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

File:NYC subway late night map June2010.svg
There is an error in this map, in that the D train is shown as stopping at 14th Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line). Can someone fix it? – Epicgenius (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Portal:New York City
FYI, Portal:New York City passed FPOC. -  NickGibson3900 Talk 09:28, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That was six months ago... – Epicgenius (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No it was officially promoted last week. See the nom's history -  NickGibson3900 Talk 02:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I was confusing the promotion date with the nomination date. Carry on... – Epicgenius (talk) 02:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:New York City articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 03:34, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Move of Port Authority Trans-Hudson
I nominated to move the article Port Authority Trans-Hudson to PATH (rapid transit) at Talk:Port Authority Trans-Hudson. I believe there is consensus that PATH is the common name for the system, but there are disagreements as to how PATH should be disambiguated. Any comment from members of this project would be helpful. Thank you. Tinlinkin (talk) 19:50, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Drama Desk Award winners
Category:Drama Desk Award winners, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

Join Us! Wikipedia Edit-a-thon: Greenwich Village in the 60s on November 2nd
Join the Jefferson Market Library, Wikimedia NYC, and the Metropolitan New York Library Council for an all-day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon on Saturday, November 2nd at the Jefferson Market Library in Greenwich Village.

The Edit-a-Thon will help complete Wikipedia articles about the history of Greenwich Village, as well as the public art, community gardens, and library branches in the area. Editors will have the opportunity to utilize rare items from the Greenwich Village Collection, which holds over 150 books on the history of New York City.

Wikipedians will be on site to provide basic and advanced training on editing articles and working with images. Questions regarding the use of Wikipedia in classrooms, libraries, archives, and museums all over the world are welcome.

No special Wiki knowledge is required to participate. Just bring your enthusiasm and a love of Greenwich Village!

Event Details
 * Event Page on Wikipedia
 * METRO announcement]

Location: New York Public Library, Jefferson Market Library in the East Village Address: 425 6th Ave, New York, NY 10011 Date: Saturday, November 2nd

Italian Americans in New York City
I think that the article Italian Americans in New York City should be expanded a bit more. It's an ethnic group with a big history in the Big Apple. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added a bit. BMK (talk) 21:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Neighborhoods in NRHP listings
Who else has been correcting the neighborhoods in the various National Register of Historic Places listings articles, besides me? I might've got a few of them wrong, so I'd like to know if anybody else has been fixing them. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Battery Park City image
Would someone please go to User talk:WPPilot and tell him that this:



is not a picture of Battery Park City, that it's a picture of Lower Manhattan including Battery Park and the World Financial Center (or whatever it's called now) and a tiny smidgen of BPC? He doesn't believe me. You might also check to see if he's put it back into the article again. BMK (talk) 07:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * please note that it is next to this photo:

talk→  WPPilot   07:10, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, and that photo does not include Battery Park or the general skyline of the tip of the island. BMK (talk) 07:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Once again we know what BMK's insightful objective is, what is requested here is feedback from OTHER EDITORS, not BMK again, but none biased editors that are willing to chime in. Thank you! talk→   WPPilot   07:16, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * How can I be "biased" about what is and isn't Battery Park City? Or where Battery Park is?  (Which is not, incidentally, part of Battery Park City). BMK (talk) 07:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_Park_City#mediaviewer/File:Nycmap-batteryparkcity.jpg
 * you always have to force your perspective in everything. You may have noticed I try to not taint the waters, it does not matter who like what, let others decide and provide a perspective without your guidance for once, ok! talk→   WPPilot   07:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I know where Battery Park City is, I've been there. BMK (talk) 07:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

request withdrawn, BMK makes me sick and I do not want anything to do with this at all. talk→  WPPilot   09:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC) I would like to reach out to other editors in regard to the question regarding the photo above. It was placed on the page by another user some time ago and a new editor (above) says it does not depict the area it depicts properly. Photo 1, above is the aerial photo, photo 2 is taken from the water. please chime in. Thank you talk→   WPPilot   07:32, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You're trying to make this about the second image, but, as I pointed out on the thread you started on Talk:Battery Park City, there was never an issue with it. It was never removed from the article, and I never commented on it except my brief mention abouve that, compared to yours, it was focused on Battery Park City. BMK (talk) 07:40, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * your claim is that the first image does not belong on the site, yet the other image was left on the site and it depicts a portion of with the first pic shows. Lets try this, lets see what the other people/editors here think without your forcing a POV into the issue. I know it will be hard for you but lets just try it this once and see what others think without your "preparation" of softening them up. Let then use there own minds to make the choice, ok. talk→   WPPilot   07:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Please don't misstate my views. My claim is that the first image does not belong on Battery Park City because its subject in not Battery Park City, but the tip of Lower Manhattan, with Battery Park in the foreground. I made no claim about the suitability of the other image, which is a complete red herring introduced into the discussion by you. BMK (talk) 08:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You removed the aerial photo and did not touch the other photo. one that shows a lot less of the same area the aerial photo covers. You are relentless in driving home your POV and are willing to do so not matter what, ha BMK. talk→   WPPilot   08:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * In point of fact, I did not generally edit the article for images, so, no, I did not remove that other image, nor any of the others in the article. Are you really saying that my not removing any of those images means I in some way approve of them?  In point of fact, the other photo shows more of BPC than yours does, but if I ever did a general edit of the article, I would probably try to find a better one.  Please drop this red herring, it's ridiculous and has no bearing on whether your image should be in the article or not.  (In fact, if editors think the second image shouldn't be there either, they should remove it, I could care less.) BMK (talk) 08:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm quite certain Wikipedia editors can make up their own minds, so there's no particular reason for me to stay away from any of the multiple discussion you've started. Is there any particular reason that when you set up those RfCs you haven't clearly identified one of the disputed images as being yours? BMK (talk) 08:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I want a unbiased review. It does not matter who took a picture if we are truly looking for the best photo, right? Do you feel that telling people I took one will dissuade the choice? I thought this was about the best photo, not who took it, but your showing a deep rooted need to inform people that I took one of them, that is really strange to me. talk→   WPPilot   08:10, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I think that you should have told people in order to be perfectly transparent about everything. You say something like: "There's a dispute about which of these two images is best for the article.  Editor X prefers photo 1, which was the lede image until I replaced it with photo 2, which happens to be one of my own.  Regardless of that, I think photo 2 is superior for reason 1, reason 2 and reason 3, while photo 1 is not as good for reason 4, reason 5 and reason 6.  Please comment on which image you think is better for the article." That puts all the cards on the table and allows people to comment knowing precisely what the situation is, instead of denying them the fact that you have a conflict of interest in regard to one of the images. BMK (talk) 08:19, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You really do make me feel sick. In every since of the word and it has been this way since the first story you dominated a year ago, you make me sick. It is not worth subjecting myself to your dominating personality. I am done here. You just keep on dominating, someday BMK you can be the leader of the whole world if you keep telling yourself that. talk→   WPPilot   08:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Members of the project might also want to check out the dispute over a lede image (again, one of them is WPPilot's) at Talk:Manhattan. BMK (talk) 08:40, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If you go to the Manhattan discussion, make sure you check to see if the thread has been restored from the damage WPP wrought on it, otherwise you won't get all the discussion or see both the images. BMK (talk) 09:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Don't waste your time, BMK is dead set on making sure my photos do not get used, please forget I live and take a long walk on a short pier. talk→   WPPilot   08:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "Damage" never misses a chance to poke his stick at someone. I tried to disengage with BMK but he is so prolific that he demands I continue to be exposed to his redirect. talk→   WPPilot   09:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree with BMK. That's a good photo of Battery Park (although we discourage WP:WATERMARKs), but Battery Park City is around the bend of the Hudson and isn't the subject of that photo. Pburka (talk) 17:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Project tagging for WikiProject New York City
I've requested project tagging help from User:Yobot. Currently, WP:NYC encompasses 13,478 articles. According to a recursive search of Category:History of New York City on AWB, the category and its subcategories include 22,363 articles. Category:Geography of New York City contains 57,564 articles. I started using AWB to tag the talk pages, but it's too long and cumbersome to do this through AWB, especially since a bot can automatically give the article its rating from existing project templates. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

St. John's Park
Input needed here. BMK (talk) 22:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Still very much needed. There's a talk page consensus, which one editor refuses to follow. BMK (talk) 02:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

MTA (New York)
Could members of this project take note that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in New York is a state agency and not a city one, and also that the proper name for the agency is just plain "Metropolitan Transportation Authority" without any preceding "New York" -- although it's certainly OK to add "New York" if disambiguation is needed, as in "New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority" of "the Metropolitan Transportation Authority of New York". It looks to me like every NYC Subway station article has at least one example of "New York City Metropolitan Transportation Authority" in it. I've fixed a few, but it would be nice if members of this project could fix others when they're editing subway articles. Thanks. BMK (talk) 21:28, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, while I'm here: Is there a reason that articles on NYC subway stations are only tagged for WikiProject Trains and not for this project as well? BMK (talk) 21:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a separate sub-project, WikiProject New York City Public Transportation, which is included in the TWP banner. You might want to drop a line there as well. Best, Mackensen (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I;ll do that. BMK (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC):
 * ✔️. I also added a little more detail to that request. It pertains mostly to ridership references. Epicgenius (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC) (edit conflict on that page; removed) Epicgenius (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Technically, WP:NYCPT is a subproject of NYC as well. However, instead of the wikicode WikiProject New York City Public Transportation, the wikicode is used rather than the standalone NYCPT banner on the majority of pages. I may be able to fix the NYCPT banners and the MTA references, though, when I'm feeling better. Epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * See here for a list of articles to start with. Epicgenius (talk) 23:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a problem I've been having with this issue. While the MTA is a state agency, it's an agency meant to deal with mass transit in and around New York City. It's not meant for Albany and the Capital District, or Buffalo and Niagara Falls or Binghampton, or Syracuse, or Rochester, or the Utica-Rome region, or the Adirondacks, etcetera. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The MTA services 12 counties in New York, which encompass more than half of the state's population. There are 62 counties in the state, so by that measure, the MTA services a fifth.  Transportation in other areas of the state is handled by other state agencies, such as the Capital District Transportation Authority, which serves the 4 counties in the Capital District. The Buffalo area is served by another state agency, the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority. So what's your problem with the MTA? And regardless of your objections to the agency "New York City" is not any part of its name. BMK (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, you said it yourself. The MTA services 12 counties in New York, and those counties include the Five Boroughs, which it centers around. Having said that, if you decide to change them all to "New York" rather than "New York City," I won't object. But if you see a link that says "New York City MTA," you should just redirect it there and keep the redirects that way. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, "New York" is just as incorrect as "New York City", since the name of the agency is just plain "Metropolitan Transportation Agency". Saying "New York City's Metropolitan Transprotation Agency" implies either that it is a city agency or that it only serves NYC, which is not the case (NYC accounts for only 5 or the 12 counties served by the MTA).  There are already redirects from "New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority" and "New York City Metropolitan Transportation Authority" to the "Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York)" article, and that's fine for people who put in the wrong thing, to send them to the right article, but when identifying the agency in articles, adding either "New York" or "New York City" to the agency's name in just plain incorrect, like adding "Buffalo" to "Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority" or "Albany" to "Capitol District Transportation Authority".  It's counterfactual, and that's not what we're about. In short, I really don't understand your objection. BMK (talk) 21:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That point is correct. It can easily also be "Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York metropolitan area)" since Metro-North serves Connecticut, too. The only other agency with the "MTA" acronym (correction: with that acronym and also named "Metropolitan Transportation Authority") is the Metropolitan Transportation Authority of Boston, which we know now as the MBTA (Massachusetts Bay etc.). I think that "Metropolitan Transportation Authority" will suffice, because New York's MTA is the only MTA that actively uses the name "Metropolitan Transportation Authority". Epicgenius (talk) 23:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, there's also MTA Maryland, but that's neither here nor there. I understand that it's not a city agency, and that it doesn't just cover transit in the city. I was just concerned that it might be misinterpreted as being for the whole state. But if that's not the case, fine. As for the redirects, I'm glad they're there. -User:DanTD (talk) 01:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I fixed my comment above. Wasn't what I intended... Epicgenius (talk) 01:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm starting on it right now. Epicgenius (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅. Fixed using WP:AWB. Epicgenius (talk) 03:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks. BMK (talk) 03:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Some articles to create?
Project members may be interested in creating articles for some of the following topics, which I encountered during my last trip to NYC but realized they did not have specific Wikipedia articles:


 * 5 in 1
 * Chester Alan Arthur (sculpture)
 * Columbus Monument (New York City)
 * Dr. Sun Yat-sen (Chun-Hsiung and Kang)
 * Father Demo Square
 * Father Duffy (sculpture)
 * Fiorello H. La Guardia (Estern)
 * Folly (Feinstein)
 * George M. Cohan (sculpture)
 * John Watts (sculpture)
 * Madison Square Fountain
 * Roscoe Conkling (sculpture)
 * The Family (sculpture)
 * Triumph of the Human Spirit Memorial
 * Winston Churchill Square

Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Photo requests in New York City suburbs in Connecticut and New Jersey: Japanese schools
Hi, guys! I don't know how many of you regularly go to Greenwich, Connecticut; Harrison, New York; or Oakland, New Jersey. If you do, please try to get photos of the entrance signs and/or buildings of the following: I'm trying to get photos for the article "nihonjin gakko" and having photos of Japanese schools in the US will be very helpful! Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 05:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * New Jersey Japanese School (elementary and junior high) - 117 Franklin Ave, Oakland, NJ 07436 - See map
 * New York Japanese School (elementary and junior high) - 270 Lake Avenue, Greenwich, CT 06831 (15 The Ridgeway is the official address but 270 Lake Avenue is the real address) - See map - I would like a photo of the entrance sign (if you can get photos of the buildings too that would also be nice!)
 * Keio Academy of New York (high school) - 3 College Road, Purchase, NY 10577 USA

Incorrect piers


Speaking of incorrect descriptions of Lower Manhattan, I corrected some image a while back that was incorrectly described as City Pier A, when it was in fact the Whitehall Terminal and Battery Maritime Building. The only thing I didn't correct was the coordinates. -User:DanTD (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I had a go at it. BMK (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a heap. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Somewhere on the Cross Bronx Expressway


There's an image that's categorized as being an unidentified location in the city, but I'm convinced it's somewhere along the Cross Bronx Expressway judging by the Exit number. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure about that. I've just used Street View on Google Maps along the Cross Bronx and its service road in both directions around exit 5A and I found no building like that with a sign on it - although I certainly could have missed it.  The only McDonalds listed near 5A is at Castle Hill Avenue and Waterbury Avenue, which is not very convenient to 5A, which merges into the service road a few blocks farther on, at Olmstead Avenue, with the traffic moving away from Castle Hill Avenue.  People who got off there looking for a MacDonald's would have to be directed to it, and I can't see any visible signs point to where it is. BMK (talk) 19:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * That is because that sign no longer exists. Use the Time Machine feature on Google Maps Street View, though, and you will see it. Epic Genius (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah! Very good sleuthing! BMK (talk) 21:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad you found it. I hope to do more unidentified locations in the future. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Small, interesting tidbits from New York City history
As a lifelong resident of the city I've always maintained a fair amount of interest in the city, and I love discovering humorous and interesting little tidbits of history, like Moving Day (New York City). The last such page, Jacob Little, I liked enough that I brought it up to GAN, and I want to add this page to the to-do list, too, now! Anyone know of any other articles that, in their judgement, are interesting and unknown, like these two? Res Mar 04:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * As the author of Moving Day (New York City), I hope that you were planning to involve me. BMK (talk) 04:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Not to worry, it's hardly a threat to get any work done right now&mdash;I have, for instance, intended to finish Shield volcano since late 2012 at least. Still I would put myself down as an interested party. I've intended to dive through some paper NYPL resources for a while now and I think this would be a fun research activity to occupy my time with. Would you consider doing a collaboration on this article?
 * As an aside, your name is purple-linked on my screen and I recall clicking on it in sometime in the last 30 minutes, as I recall the username, but I don't remember when or in what context. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#333333; font-size:small;">Res</b> Mar 04:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, I have no problem with collaborating, I'd just like to be involved in some way. I don't know what you might have linked on, I get around quite a bit. You could take a look at my contribs and see if anything there sparks your memory. BMK (talk) 05:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * How about the History of New York City series? History of New York City (1898–1945) has seen a lot of improvement in recent days, for example. Epic Genius (talk) 15:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Such articles are too large for me to be able to work with them comfortably&mdash;they graduate from "side project" to "research project", and from "fun" to "work". I don't trust myself to finish such large articles either anymore. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#333333; font-size:small;">Res</b> Mar 16:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, so that's too big. (I was planning on doing that and a couple of other articles just as long, like the Second Avenue Subway.) We can do Flatiron Building, which, having many references and a substantial history section, doesn't need that much work. Epic Genius (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, it really doesn't need much of anything at all. BMK (talk) 23:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Besides some references for the unreferenced paragraphs, I mean. For example, paragraph 2 of the section entitled "The site" is unreferenced, and so is the last sentence of the third paragraph of "Design and construction". But you are right, it doesn't need much at all, and it is easy to GA nom that article. Epic Genius (talk) 23:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Para 2 of "The Site" is sourced. I either forgot to put in the ref, or the ref got separated from the graf - it all comes from the Alexiou book.  I've fixed that. BMK (talk) 23:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The last sentence of the 3rd graf of "Design and construction", the one about the angle, is not mine, but I've sourced it and added a ref. BMK (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, the article looks totally referenced now. It is a good candidate for GAN. Epic Genius (talk) 13:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

NYC Space/Time Directory
Looks like fun and like someone at the library has been studying the collaborative model. Official launch site Jim.henderson (talk) 22:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Lede image disputes
Two disputes between editors about the better lede image for two NYC-based article can be found:


 * here,
 * and here

Opinions requested. BMK (talk) 03:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Q17 during Hurricane Irene


I spotted another picture listed as an unidentified location, but despite the fact that it's blurry, it's obviously of the Q17 (New York City bus). So wherever this is, it has to be in eastern Queens. -User:DanTD (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * More specific - Eastern Queens? Epic Genius (talk) 03:19, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, maybe not that far east, but we've got a lot of places between Flushing and Jamaica to choose from. -User:DanTD (talk) 04:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

IP address edits from the NYPD
Many edits by IP addresses registered to the NYPD have edited English Wikipedia articles. Some of these edits contain POV problems. See here for a list, compiled by Capital New York (details on extent of POV at the CNY article). Epic Genius (talk) 03:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * See ANI thread. Epic Genius (talk) 11:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Statue of Liberty in popular culture vandalism
Hello NYC Wikipedians -- Somebody has vanalised the article, Statue of Liberty in popular culture. According to the article, quote: In 1892, George Washington designed the Empire State Building which led to how he designed the Statue of Liberty. George Washington never designed the Empire State Building, nor was it built in 1892. He never designed the Statue of Liberty neither. I am requesting that a NYC Wikipedian fix it with correct information. Thank you!  CookieMonster755  (talk)   23:28, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ BMK (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * In the future, you can revert it yourself by clicking the "diff' button, clicking "edit" next to the correct diff, and then saving the page. Or just remove the vandalism directly. Epic Genius (talk) 01:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I will. The reason why I did not on this edit was because I did not know a very approperite beginging sentance or information to introduce the article.  CookieMonster755  (talk)   03:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Newly created articles
These new articles may be of interest to expand to an elevated article ranking (both are start class and are over 10 kB):
 * Statue of Edward Snowden
 * 2015 East Village gas explosion

– Epic Genius (talk) 23:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments requested....
...at Talk:Mount Morris Bank Building and Talk:Mount Morris Bank Building BMK (talk) 20:56, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject New York Theatre
WikiProject New York Theatre is inactive, it should be converted to a taskforce of WPNYC, see WT:WikiProject New York Theatre for the discussion -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Templates for deletion
Please see Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_8 for a discussion of templates for deletion. The discussion is about the BS-map used for the C, D, and 4 trains of the NYC subway. Epic Genius (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Grosvenor Avenue, Bronx
A question came up on my talk page which someone here may be able to answer better than I was. Anyone with extensive knowledge of Bronx neighborhood names and boundaries is encouraged to take a look at User talk:Beyond My Ken. BMK (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say Fieldston. I went to that neighborhood fairly recently, and I recognize the street name. Why do you ask? Epic Genius (talk) 00:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Regarding your comment [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&diff=prev&oldid=661254930 here], the loop is almost definitely in north Fieldston, while the rest of the street is in Fieldston. However, since neighborhood boundaries are blurry for the most part, I'd say "Riverdale" is your best bet. Epic Genius (talk) 14:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Only if you're using the largest possible definition of "Riverdale". I'd fabor "North Fieldston" or just plain "Fieldston". I don't think "North Riverdale" is right, because the ridge mentioned starts at 250th & Iselin and goes west towards the river.  Grosvenor loops either because of the terrain or because of the HH parkway. BMK (talk) 15:21, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The northern part of Grosvenor is relatively new. It didn't exist in this 1996 aerial map, but it's under construction 10 years later.  So it's a development of sorts, and the reason it loos is that it's hemmed in by Fieldson Avenue on the east, and the Henry Hudson Parkway on the borth and west -- there's basically no place for it do go, so, like a typical suburban develeopmen, it just looks around. If we could find out if the development has a name, that would help. BMK (talk) 15:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, here's your answer. As you can see on this Google street image, the stone markers at the intersection of Grosvenor and 250th label the development to the north as Villanova Heights, so that's the name of that area. BMK (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Two NY Times articles on Villanova Heights:
 * "Smile When You Call Them McMansions" (June 5, 2009)
 * "In Riverdale, More ‘For Sale’ Signs Than Sales" {December 5, 2011)
 * BMK (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Good detective work BMK. That's the area in question, alright. I'm surprised first that it is so new and second at the slow pace of its development (not including governmental delays getting started). The "Villanova Heights" appellation appears to have been created as part of its development, displacing "Chapel Farms" according to the first of those Times articles you cited.

So the question remains, what neighborhood claims "Villanova Heights"? And while we're at it, the same for Christ Church immediately to the west (but inside the HHP) and the Riverdale Country School due east on Fieldston Road.

This passage from the North Riverdale page clearly places the Villanova Heights loop of Grosvenor starting at Iselin Avenue in the north and returning at 250th on the south in that neighborhood, according to the Federal Writers' Project of 1939: "One of the geographic characteristics which gives all of Riverdale its suburban quality is that it lies on a high ridge which separates it from the rest of the city. ''The highest part of the ridge, at 284.5 feet above sea level, lies in North Riverdale, near Iselin Avenue and 250th Street." '' (italics mine)

Considering the Project was published post-construction of the Henry Hudson Parkway (1934-37) it does not indicate its construction relegated that part of Grosvenor and its surrounds outside of North Riverdale, regardless that neighborhood elsewise is generally regarded today as beginning north of the Parkway at 254th Street.

It seems that the Fieldston's page's lede passage indicating it ends at 250th Street to the North is inconsistent with the Grosvenor "loop" being in Fieldston. I'm unaware of any "North Fieldston" neighborhood designation for the area north of 250th and south of the HH. As it stands, the FWP claim that the intersection of Iselin Avenue and 250th St. lies in North Riverside is all that's cited in the encylopedia. Those who know more please jump in. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 16:34, 7 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, I see BMK is right. I've never heard of "Villanova Heights" before, being younger than a lot of editors on this site, but it looks like they have their own website. Plus, on the North Riverdale article, it says "The highest part of the ridge, at 284.5 feet above sea level, lies in North Riverdale, near Iselin Avenue and 250th Street" but not at the intersection, and numbered streets can disappear very easily in Riverdale. Maybe Villanova Heights is itself a Riverdale subsection, being not part of Fieldston or North Riverdale. Epic Genius (talk) 18:09, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * So far we've ascertained that Villanova Heights is the name of the neighborhood in the Grosvenor "loop" in question, but the jury's still out on what neighborhood that is in. The Federal Writer's Project claims it as North Riverdale.  Christ Church is mute at its Wikipedia page (and its About Us links to its History are broken at its webpage ), but claimed by Fieldston at its here; as BMK points out the Horace Mann School is coyly mute about its Middle/Upper/Division at its webpage (but claimed here by Fieldston), and Riverdale Country School is mute about its "Hill Campus" neighborhood affiliation at both.
 * Anybody got a line on the boundaries of the Fieldston Property Owners' Association? Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 15:35, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it's 250th Street. BMK (talk) 19:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not part of that association, so I can't say for sure, but if the association says that the boundary is 250th Street, then it must be true, riiiight? Epic Genius (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll go with that; they should know, if anybody. That puts the area above 250th but inside the HHP up for grabs...which the FWP claimed as North Riverside back in 1939 (post-HHP construction, which is key). It seems less than coincidental that all those entities within that area stand mute, preferring (it appears) to be associated (rather naturally) with Fieldston rather than claiming allegiance to the less prestigious North Riverside. Which is good biz. Who wouldn't?

I haven't a dog in the fight, was just curious what entity what we now know as Villanova Heights fell into considering the enormous swaths of construction evident there from high in the air. Check it out (it helps to close the wide Explore bar at the base of the display):. Rather boggling, as one cannot identify a single other construction site from that altitude, nor could I flying over. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 23:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You really can't go by the FWP guide, published in 1939, there was no neighborhood there to name at the time - take a look at the links for the aerial photos above, or this one from 1924 and this one from 1951. You can;t name a neighborhood if there's no neighborhood there to name. The Henry Hudson physically separates Fieldston from Riverdale proper, therefore "North Riverdale" would logically be west of the parkway, not east of it.


 * On this New York Times real estate map, the "Fieldston" neighborhood encompasses everything inside the lopp of the Parkway
 * This real estate site lists a "North Fieldston" neighborhood in Riverdale, as well as a "Fieldston" and "North Riverdale", but I believe you have to sign in to get anything more than that.


 * Otherwise, there's not much support for "North Fieldston" as a neighborhood.


 * We could just call it terra nullius and leave it at that. Besides, what use is the name to us? We can't add it to articles without a source to support it, and there really aren't any. BMK (talk) 02:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find a better source. So, it would be in "North Fieldston" (if it existed), but North Fieldston doesn't exist, so... Epic Genius (talk) 15:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * ...So North Riverdale it is by prior claim, though you can see why it would be lumped to advantage in with the geographically delimited Fieldston neighborhood. "Fieldston adjacent" is the usual euphemistic form for such informal attachments in the real estate trade.  "North Fieldston" would make good sense, except that it isn't North Fieldston; you know the Fieldston property owners association would have something to say about that if the claim were made.  Hence the muteness of all the above noted entities about their location just north of the legal end of the Fieldston boundary, No Man's Land that begins above 250th and south and east of the HHP.  One can see why the FHP lumped it with North Riverside, if only be default (as we know nothing at this point of contemporary custom and use in 1939).


 * As for "Villanova Heights", I'd have left it "Chapel Farms". That sounds perfectly lovely so close to - actually still within - New York City.  Not enouch cachet, I suppose, as Fitzpatrick chose to emphasize elevation over history.  Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 12:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I still think "North Riverdale" is excluded by the division of the ares by the parkway. BMK (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to agree, but Fieldston is a legal entity (owned by the FPOA) and there isn't a "North Fieldston" as a result. The area above 250th existed post-construction of the HHP and was designated as North Riverside in a contemporary history completed two years after the Parkway was, not before. I'm just happy with all the work you did teasing out Villanova Heights (though only the original (undated) historic aerial photo ever displayed at the maps.nyc.gov website for me. The one you indicated as 1996.). Thanks! Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Names can't be owned, although they can be trademarked, and you are surely correct that the FPOA would try to stop it from being used. The real problem is that even with Villanova Heights, there just isn't much there to make up a neighborhood, so it's never hit "critical mass" in which the realtors would make up a neighborhood name which might (or might not) catch on.  If it ever does happen, I think "Chapel Hill" is a good neighborhood name too.  In the meantime, I think there's no choice but to describe it geographical (eg. "north of Fieldston") as opposed to by a name. BMK (talk) 16:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I meant Fieldston as a neighborhood is a legal entity owned by the FPOA, which indeed is unusual within a large stable metropolis like NYC as compared to private fairway and retirement communities exploding in affluent Sunbelt areas, for example. "SoHo", "Hell's Kitchen", "Greenwich Village", "North Riverdale", et al, evolved and consensus names for informally bounded "public" neighborhoods, being of course the norm.


 * Indeed, Villanova Heights has never hit critical mass, curiously so. Stunted by the 2008 real estate implosion/general recession, but slow both before and after as well.  There's more going on (why juicy McMansions on choice lots in such an incredibly convenient area) are not moving faster/being retained than meets the eye as seen from our distant, oblique perspective.  It almost makes me curious enough to dig further.  Almost.  Alot's been spaded over here that those who may have a more personal knowledge or interest in the area's neighborhoods can use to fine tune and correct affected articles.  Good work, everyone.  Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 14:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Taxi at some intersection near 10th Avenue
I just started searching through some streets in the commons category "Streets in New York City," and after zooming in on this intersection I found out it was in Manhattan on Tenth Avenue. The only question is the street approaching it. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:34, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It's West 26th Street at 10th Avenue, looking east. The low-rise Hudson Guild pre-school is on the north-east (far left) corner, hidden behind the trees, and the red brick buildings on the right and left past the avenue are the NYCHA's Elliott Houses. (I worked nearby for 3 years).  The building on the right foreground is not part of the housing project. It has at least one art gallery in it, and "Avenues: The World School" - I believe it used to be a warehouse when I was there. BMK (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and while we're discussing this, look what I found. -User:DanTD (talk) 22:00, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's pretty amazing. BMK (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe I recognize this. Actually, the Avenues school takes up the whole building on the right. Source? I know people who go there... Epic Genius (talk) ± 20:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

oldnyc.org
Nice collection of old NYPL pictures, geotagged by object and mapped. site Jim.henderson (talk) 01:55, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jim, looks good. BMK (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, now the question is, can we upload these to Commons if possible? Epic Genius (talk) ± 20:37, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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