Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/Archive 10

Happy new year!
Happy new year to all at the project! Another year's work has paid off. Well done, men, well done! —User: (talk • contribs • email) 05:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have a question, though; When is anybody going to archive more of the old messages? DanTD (talk) 00:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I will do another archive within the hour. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 01:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm also working on refactoring our archives, which is something I've been meaning to do for a while. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 01:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Archived. :) Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 01:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Trulystand700's images
I'm reposting this, since the question is still open:

I have nominated Image:8 (New York City Subway service).gif, Image:IRT Third Avenue Line.jpg, and Image:Third Avenue El.gif for deletion; their deletion notices can be found.

In the same vein, what shall we do about the other MTA images Trulystand700 has uploaded? These include:
 * Image:Fulton Street Transit Center Project.jpg‎
 * Image:Image-Station Of The Second Aveune Subway.jpg‎
 * Image:Second Ave Subway CGI station.jpg
 * (did I miss any?)

Are we ever going to actually use these images in the corresponding articles? If not, I could probably delete them without going through the WP:IFD process. Orphaning is a legitimate reason for deletion. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 02:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain their copyright claim is bogus (as usual for this sock-drawer). The linked permission URL looks specific for news-release items, there's no evidence that other parts of the MTA hierarchy are intended for redistribution, and the other sections do have affirmative statements prohibitting such use (i.e., "Please note that, except solely for your own personal and non-commercial use, no part of these maps may be copied or used without the prior written permission of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority."). DMacks (talk) 06:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The "generic" MTA notice suggests that everything is copyrighted and all rights are reserved. The notice used by TS700 to claim free license does not in fact state as such, but merely emphasizes the need to attach the copyright notice.  The 2nd Ave. station is probably deletable: it's the inside of a subway station that looks very generic.  The Fulton Street station pic looks somewhat original, however, and may be fair use, just as copyrighted artists' impressions of the completed Freedom Tower and International Commerce Centre are acceptable.  The self-made images are too low quality for use here.
 * I want to point out, though, that despite all the trouble everyone has faced, the current situation is much more preferable than the previous two months of Whac-A-Mole, and it's clear that TS700 is actually trying to learn more about how exactly the copyright policies here work. That he would try to use that MTA page as justification is understandable given his eagerness to contribute to those articles and previous frustration, and I'm inclined to try to not bite off his head just yet.  Kelvinc (talk) 01:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * To be honest, the only things I see worth deleting are Image:8 (New York City Subway service).gif and Image:IRT Third Avenue Line.jpg. The rest seem fine to me. I say we have to give Trulystand700 some credit for his articles on abandoned LIRR stations, and some of the images he had there. Too bad I didn't get to see the one of Image:Image-Station Of The Second Aveune Subway.jpg‎, or at least I don't remember seeing it. DanTD (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It was a copy of one of these: . Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 00:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:MTA (New York) bus and subway fares
AEMoreira042281 has developed this new template, and transcluded it in all of the articles that mention transit fares (a total of 7 articles).

While I recognize this was intended as a good faith attempt to simplify and streamline the articles, I am not sure we should have gone this route. Generally, substantive content goes in the main namespace. Templates are used for "boilerplate" text, navigation, and formatting. As noted at WP:TMP:


 * Templates should not masquerade as article content in the main article namespace; instead, place the text directly into the article.

I think the correct way to handle it would be to put the desired content directly into the main article (New York City transit fares), and link to that article from all of the other relevant articles. Marc Shepherd (talk) 21:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to agree. In addition to the misuse of the Template namespace, I have aesthetic issues with the template—to put it bluntly, the table is a tremendous eyesore. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 01:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's actual content, and so deserves to be in some article/articles somewhere. But the content ranges from a little to waaaay too detailed for my taste for many of the articles where it's transcluded. The New York City transit fares article seems like a good place for this kind of specific and detailed info, and other articles can link that one, and mention any especially relevant parts of the fare structure. I spent a while trying to clean up the table, but the notes section still bothers me—it's actual content that could sometimes be expanded (inter-line stations could be listed,etc), not just a parenthetical comment about a table entry. DMacks (talk) 04:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Do we even need a table? This is Wikipedia, we can use as much space as we want to lucidly and clearly explain the fare structures. It's not as if we have to shove this all into a poster or something, destined to inform tourists from the walls of subway stations. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 07:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have reverted the use of the template in the articles where it was added. Within those articles, I created a link to the main article, New York City transit fares. Marc Shepherd (talk) 17:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is being revised for the 3/2/08 increase, for possible use on that date. Transfer notices and other restrictions are being moved to the talk page, with instructions on where to use. Also, if anyone knows how to put in parameters so that a distingushing can be put in for MTA Bus, LI Bus, etc., please do so. How it is intended is on the talk page for that template, or will be in short order. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 18:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Bus connections and shourt route information
this is what I started to add on subway stition description of NYC like here (talk) 00:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * GK tramrunner


 * Didn't we have this sort of information before? Wasn't it all removed? Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 00:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It had something to do with templates or something. They're still here, though. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 23:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Terminals in service infoboxes
At pages like F (New York City Subway service), the infobox contains the terminal names, along with the bullets for services at each terminal. Somehow, the service bullets strike me as very annoying. I feel that they are visually noisy and draw attention away from the main bullet, while failing to add any information to the article. (Transfer info is already in the table of stations at the end of the article.) In this case, they certainly do not add information about the F. What is important here is that Coney Island is a terminal for the F; thus, it is listed in the infobox. The fact that the D, N, and Q terminate there also is not of particular important for the F, but rather for the station itself; this is why that information is contained in the table of stations and in the Coney Island article. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 00:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I already reverted the changes for different reasons: I went to E and it had not been changed to match the redo of template:infobox NYCS service; less than half had, and the rest were missing all but the top line. I also agree with your reasoning. --NE2 21:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with LarryV and NE2. Marc Shepherd (talk) 14:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Rolling stock used by New York City Subway services
User:The Legendary Ranger has updated most of the NYCS service articles to indicate the type of rolling stock used. Recently, NE2 removed these statements, since there was no source for the information, but User:The Legendary Ranger restored them.

While User:The Legendary Ranger's statements about rolling stock appear to be correct (based on my own experience), I am not aware of any verifiable source for this information. Unless there is a source, I agree with User:NE2 that the information needs to be removed. Marc Shepherd (talk) 14:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As per Marc and NE2, I think that the rolling stock should be removed as per Verifiability. Even though it seems to be truth, it has to be verified, and I haven't found anything that is reliable enough for the rolling stock info to be added. Of course, we can always put the info in and add fact afterwards so we can come back to it later. But we don't wan't to make a habit of that. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 22:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to note, there might be a few sources here and there (mostly newspaper articles), but they may become dated, since car assignments can change rapidly. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 23:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Flushing Line construction
If you've haven't heard, the Flushing Line will be undergoing major construction for about two months. Maybe this should be included somehow, since it is all over the media. Then again, I'm not sure, since it is a temporary change, even if it lasts a good while. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 23:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that we should add the information, especially since it has gained media attention and has a big impact to Flushing line riders. Information that has been spread through the media is of utmost importance, and should go here. Other information that has gained media attention is South Ferry, Fulton Street, the Flushing Line Extension and the G train's weekend cutback to LIC. So I think the change should be added. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 00:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It is only a 7-week diversion. We typically do not modify the article unless the diversion is considerably longer-lasting than that. It might make sense if there were some real-world context behind it, but at present there isn't. Without that, we're just making ourselves a timetable, something we're really not equipped to do well. Marc Shepherd (talk) 02:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Long Beach Branch
I'm having tons of trouble starting up a template for the Long Beach Branch of the Long Island Rail Road. I've tried to use the guide to making new ones, but I don't think it's going to work for me. DanTD (talk) 01:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * FYI, I've removed the red link. That doesn't seem to help me either. DanTD (talk) 01:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you show us what you've done so far? Marc Shepherd (talk) 14:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. So far I've tried, failed, and thus cancelled everything. I scanned the template, but it didn't get me what I wanted. DanTD (talk) 05:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ticket Vending Machine distinctions
I've been considering covering the three different variety of Ticket Vending Machines used primarily on the Long Island Rail Road. Should I leave out descriptions such as "Daily Machines" and "Credit/Debit Machines" when I add them to station infoboxes? DanTD (talk) 22:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I have proposed merging the article Buses in New York City into the articles of New York City Transit buses and MTA Bus Company...with the major reason being that these are the two bus operators for franchised public transportation within the City of New York (with two exceptions: the N24 of MTA Long Island Bus in Queens being open-door from 225 Street to Little Neck Parkway/Tulip Avenue, and the 60/1/2 of the Bee-Line System being open-door along Boston Road for their entire length in New York City).

I can't see a reason why the articles shouldn't be merged. I have placed proposals on all three pages. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 04:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really know if they should or shouldn't be merged, as they are all different entities. The Buses in New York City articles talks about all different types of buses that run in the city, whether public transit or charter services. I don't really know about the other two. And I've been questioning myself why the New York City Transit buses article is named such, when it should probably be named New York City Bus or something like that. But that's a different argument.
 * It should be changed to the DBA name, IMO, which is MTA New York City Bus, but I will propose that name. (The legal name is NYC Transit Department of Buses.) --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 02:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * All in all, in my opinion, I think the articles should stay separated due to the fact that they don't really describe the same thing. I'd suggest a second opinion, but this is the way I see it. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 18:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge: The content in the page has nothing about it that needs to stand alone. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 21:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Another similar argument would be merging Transportation in New York City into New York City Subway. I'm just bringing this up since they are similar. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 00:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily, however, because Transportation in New York City covers various modes of transit. Buses in New York City could easily be covered by two articles. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep: The Buses in New York City article tends to cover buses in general, not just one or two particular bus agencies that are affiliated with the MTA, plus it mentions MTA Long Island Bus. Frankly, I can't imagine how the information within the article can be split between New York City Transit buses and MTA Bus Company, or others. Although merging it into Transportation in New York City might be a more attractive option, that article is big enough as it is by itself. DanTD (talk) 03:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC) :Typo Corrected DanTD (talk) 05:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

If anything the merge would be the other way, from the specific to the general. But that's probably not necessary. --NE2 05:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

LIRR Branch Infoboxes
If I were to add some infoboxes for the Port Jefferson Branch and Hempstead Branch of the Long Island Rail Road, should I include the stations along the Main Line among the number of stations? DanTD (talk) 14:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't. I've tried that before with a number of branches, and the situation got somewhat confusing. For instance, the West Hempstead Branch seems to physically begin east of Valley Stream, at Valley Interlocking. Well then:


 * Do I count only stations east of the interlocking? If so, what is the western "terminal"? Westwood? Hardly.
 * Do I include Valley Stream, then? But what stops me from going right out west to Jamaica?


 * What I ended up doing was counting only the stations on the accepted physical line (in your case, those east of Hicksville and Queens Village, respectively) and leaving out the terminals altogether. The Main Line is the only exception I can think of, since it pretty unambiguously runs from Long Island City straight out to Greenport. Larry V (talk &#124; e-mail) 15:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So in the case of the West Hempstead Branch, Saint Albans would stitctly be for Montauk. I get it. DanTD (talk) 15:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Just out of curiosity, Larry. Can we be 100% sure that all branches are gauge lines? DanTD (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Since they're all connected, every current branch is standard gauge. I don't remember coming across any mention of reguaging during the history, so I believe all branches were always standard gauge. --NE2 07:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * All of the MTA's rolling stock, whether they be subway cars, work trains or railroad cars, use standard gauge specifications and are set to run on standard gauge track. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 18:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I added it them. The only one I didn't do was Babylon, and that was because I never created an infobox for that one. DanTD (talk) 21:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox for Staten Island Railway
What's new with using the infobox on SIR articles? Originally, plans were being made to update the infobox to be used with SIR railway articles but nothing has rose to the surface as of yet because discussions died down. I'm here to revive it and to see what can be done. Now, I don't think it's a good idea to use the NYCS infobox for SIR articles because it is for use for NYCS articles. I think it would be better to give Staten Island Railway articles their own infobox, probably under the name of "Infobox SIR" or something like that. Any thoughts? I'm hoping that we can move forward on Staten Island now since we have wrote the station articles,therefore, we can add more detail by adding an infobox. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 22:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Those SIR station articles need routeboxes first. I tried to make one by swiping one from a Long Island Railroad station article, but it didn't help. DanTD (talk) 19:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by routeboxes? You mean those red lines with the stations, like at IRT Lexington Avenue Line? If that is what you mean, I can help. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 20:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'm talking about those boxes where you can switch over to either the previous station or the next station. Like this:

This is the name we gave similar ones on WikiProjectRoads, where you can find the previous route number and next route number. DanTD (talk) 22:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this can be done for the subways as well, but I'll bring that up later. One thing we need to do is find the color hex code for the SIR route, just like the subway routes have them. I remember a guy called Flamurai who did just this, but I haven't heard from him. I'll see what he's up to and I'll ask him to find the hex code. —User: (talk • contribs • email) 01:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Left bank of lower Harlem River
Sunday while trying to get a picture of 145th Street Bridge I got this of a single track railroad along the Bronx shore of the Harlem River and Bronx Kill. What is this line? I'd like to put it in the correct article. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My father just told me it was an old New York Central line, "which goes upstate and then out west." Those are his words, not mine, and I suspect he was talking about the 20th Century Limited. I don't know how true that is, but judging by the brief mention of that section of the line as "the water level route" this may be it. More research would be a good idea. DanTD (talk) 23:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Odd that the Project's nominal scope is so limited; when I photographed this place from the saddle of my bicycle, theoretically neither my transport nor my subject was "New York City Public Transportation". Anyway no, I think the Commodore's "Water Level Route" was along the modern Hudson Line, which runs inland to Mott Haven Junction and then turns west for a mile or two to join our mystery freight line some half mile south of Yankee Stadium, or two miles north of where I sat on my bike taking the picture.  Nowadays the freight line runs under Park Avenue Bridge without a connection on its way to a freight yard and the Amtrak junction in Port Morris.  And it's only a single track line, and the concrete looks less than a year old rather than a century and a half.  So, thanks but I don't know what it is.  Darn, I notice that these Bronx neighborhood articles say nothing of the freight railroads running through them.  Much to do, once I've got the information. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's understandable. The concrete may be a year old, but what was beneanth the rails before this? Maybe the New York and Atlantic Railway is in charge of this now. Perhaps you can contact them. It might've even been part of the New York Cross Harbor Railroad or a similar system. DanTD (talk) 14:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

That's the Oak Point Link. --NE2 18:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad we've got that cleared up. DanTD (talk) 19:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Splendid. Thank you all, guys, for turning my simple picture into a well connected illustration.  Maybe next month I'll pedal uptown again and photograph the northwest and southeast ends of that line and the small freight yards along the way.  And, to my eye, the photo suggests a rail line along the US Pierhead Line, which would not have been built in the middle 20th century or earlier, so probably this is a line moved westward from a previous inland version of the line.  And this weekend I ought to put links in the bridges, in Bronx Kill, and in other articles that ought to link, unless someone kindly beats me to it.
 * Ah. Fresh new construction in the 1990s; not a move at all.  I ought to read before writing.  Without an authority on how the rails were laid along the Pierhead Line I won't say so in the encyclopedia, but that's probably what happened.  Jim.henderson (talk) 20:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Move in project that may be controversial
I have proposed moving the Buses used by New Jersey Transit article to Buses owned by New Jersey Transit, but believe that it may be a bit contested. As such, please discuss it here. Thanks. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Secaucus Junction
Should Secaucus Junction be added to the NYC Terminals template? I don't know if the issue has been brought up before, but this was something I just started thinking about today. DanTD (talk) 21:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Is it a terminal? I was under the impression that the vast majority of usage is train-train or train-bus transfers. --NE2 19:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't think that template was strictly for terminals. There are plenty of lines that don't termiante at Jamaica (LIRR station), and that one is listed there. DanTD (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, might as well add it. --NE2 20:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Manhattan Bridge and Manhattan Bridge subway tracks
Why did we split those articles in the first place? They both short enough to be merged again and the tracks are part of the bridge, it should be part of article itself. What do you think? The Manhattan Bridge is not the only bridge with subway tracks on it. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't even know there was such an article; the link to it being subtle and the article not being included in bridge cats. Anyway the industrious and precise USER:NE2 split it on March 18, 2007 without an explanation that my quick glance revealed.  I can think of a few arguments for the split, at the time.  It's the only big New York bridge that was originally almost entirely for railroads (hmm eight hours ago I took pictures of Hell Gate Bridge and the continuously open Bronx Kill which I must review and upload) all right, the only one that changed from such an orientation to approximately as much a road bridge as rail.  The rail section at split time dominated the article, and had no illustrations.  And, its editing in the previous months looks kind of contentious to my casual inspection today.  Anyway, yes, I think these arguments inadequate or obsolete, and the rail section ought to return to the parent article unless someone offers better reasons for the split.  Jim.henderson (talk) 02:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The subway tracks article seems to be only referenced from the template. I would support a merger of the two articles. Alansohn (talk) 03:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It would probably make sense to make a section under the Manhattan Bridge page specifically for the tracks. I'm up for remerging; it seems redundant now anyway. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 04:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Rockaway Park Shuttle extension?
I noticed that the article says the shuttle is extended to Euclid Avenue on summer weekends. I do know that the shuttle uses eight cars instead of its usual four during that time and we have proof on that with photos on various transit websites and videos on YouTube. However, I cannot find any sources that confirm that the shuttle is extended to Euclid Avenue, not even a photo or video. If you find any source proving this, please add them to the articles. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Staten Island Railway infobox, continued
Hey guys. Listen, I really need to know what is the status of the SIR infobox. I believe that this has been delayed too many times and I think that we really need to get this done. I will be available next week since I have no school so I can make more frequent edits than usual but I can't do it alone since I don't know much about infoboxes. I will contact Larry about this since he knows about infoboxes. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 14:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not hard to do... just find a similar railway, like the Long Island Rail Road, and copy the code. --NE2 23:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't there just more to do than to just copy coding from other infoboxes? I'll see what I can do, but I can't do it now; I'm editing with an iTouch; it can't do much like my computer can, which will be available hopefully by tomorrow or Monday, so I'll get to this as soon as I can, okay? More has to be done to create an ideal infobox for the SIR stations, like a particular syntax and hex code for the SIR, since I'm also working on the logo. (Do you know it? If so, let me know.) —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 02:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, you mean the stations? Find a rail station that uses template:infobox station and copy the code from that article. --NE2 03:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do. Those seem complex to me. BTW, can you happen to find the hex code for the SIR bullet? I'd do it myself, but like I said previously, I'm using an iTouch. Thanks. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 04:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you're talking about. Take an article like Chinatown (LACMTA station), hit edit, and copy the infobox code. --NE2 04:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I can't do it now; I'm not using a computer. But I'll work on it, and I'll ask Larry for assistance. He knows about infoboxes way more than I do. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 12:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Subway Infobox Issues
I just found out that the bullet images on the IND Eighth Avenue Line was deleted. What was supposed to be wrong with it? Also, why have I been having so much trouble adding an "S" bullet to the 42nd Street Shuttle infobox? DanTD (talk) 02:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I fixed it; someone added an extra "s" at the end of the image link. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 21:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, it worked for the 8th Avenue line. Thanks. The 42nd Street Shuttle is still having problems, though. DanTD (talk) 21:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem; I'll see to that one. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 06:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

We've got a bigger problem now
I just found out that all the infoboxes, at least on article about stations along the IRT Flushing Line are all out of whack! They're shifting to the left and leaving huge white spaces on the right! DanTD (talk) 18:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was wrong. It's not just the 7 Train articles. It's every goddamn subway station article that's getting all screwed up!!! DanTD (talk) 13:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Rename of New York City Transit buses article
I have proposed a rename of the article to MTA New York City Bus, the DBA name of the NYCTA bus division. Discuss here. I have also posted it on Requested moves. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 06:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Lingering reassessments for LIRR stations
I know this really should be on the main WikiProject Trains page, but I've requested reassessments for a number of Long Island Rail Road station articles that are currently being overlooked. Bayside (LIRR station), Babylon (LIRR station), Cedarhurst (LIRR station), Hicksville (LIRR station), Mineola (LIRR station), and Valley Stream (LIRR station) have all been expanded considerably. I didn't make any requests for Cedarhurst or Hicksville, but I should have. Are there really that many articles in the way? DanTD (talk) 12:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

R142S (New York City Subway car) and R142A (New York City Subway car)
I think the articles should be merged because the R142S article has literally no information other than the car specifications. It is basically the same car as the R142A. Do you think they should be merged or not? The Legendary Ranger (talk) 22:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge: It's the same car. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 02:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge: The R142S cars appear to be considered R142As by the MTA. In other word, they don't make the distinction, so why should Wikipedia? Acps110 (talk) 01:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge, but don't forget to list the different specifications. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 22:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Like what? Brighter lights? They're in the 7800's? That's all I could think of. Pacific Coast Highway {Spring • ahead!} 23:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They were also ordered later; that's why they are a supplemental order. That definitely should be listed, as well as other things about them and what not. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 19:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Request R8A (New York City Subway car) for deletion?
I.P. Address 72.68.37.89 requested that we deleted the R8A article because it is not a revenue service car. I totally disagree with that user because that is still a subway car and I think we should add other non-revenue cars to the template like the R127s and R134s like he requested. On top of that, this I.P. does not seem to be very friendly. I wouldn't consider him a vandal, but the edits that he make are totally unnecessary. Should we keep or delete that R8A article? The Legendary Ranger (talk) 12:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Metro-North Harlem Line Infobox Screw-Ups
First it's the Subways, now infoboxes for stations along the Metro-North Harlem Line are getting screwed-up. For some reason, all the blue trim has been eliminated, except for the rail color bars and the routeboxes. Why have things like this been happening? DanTD (talk) 21:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think someone edited the infobox and removed it. I'll check the infobox history and see if that's the case. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 19:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Murjax mentioned that he already did it on the TWP talk page. DanTD (talk) 23:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've noticed; they've started using infobox station insted of our custom-made infoboxes. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 14:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Participants page
I have created a participants page for this project, similar to WP:USRD's list. I will be adding lists of users that have been editing New York City Trnsit-related articles within the past 30 days, however, it is up to you to add a description of what you mainy work on. You can update your status at any time (whether you're active, semi-active or inactive), as well as the projects within your focus, like New York City Transit, Long Island Rail Road, etc. and a description of what you work on, like I've aready stated. Please go to WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/Participants. Thanks. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 14:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you forgot to remove the "projects" column. --NE2 16:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess it's not needed, since I got this off of WP:USRD, so that column's not needed. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 20:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it could stay, for purposes of letting others know their main focus in the project. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 21:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Remove the (c) 2004 MTA pics under conditional use from the New York City Subway rolling stock article?
There are pictures from the 2004 Subway Centennial posted as being allowable so long as the copyright notice is included in the article. However, I have taken pictures of both trains in December 2007 (R1-9 train) and yesterday, April 8 (Train of Many Colors). Should I remove the MTA taken pictures in favor of the ones I took? Input is appreciated. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 04:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Before you decide to get rid of any of them, where was this one taken? Because this looks like a real keeper. DanTD (talk) 04:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That is undoubtedly Avenue H, due south, on the Brighton. I will not make any moves until or unless a consensus is reached. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 13:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that Avenue H already has some images, so there's no need to add it to the infobox. Having said that, I still like it and it may be okay for a gallery on that page. I don't know how long the MTA is going to use it on their website. DanTD (talk) 14:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Templates:Trying Again
Once again, I'm trying to make Templates for the Long Beach Branch and Port Jefferson Branch, and I may start one on the Hempstead Branch soon as well. I admit I'm having trouble with it so here's one of them(User:DanTD/Sandbox/Template:Long Beach Branch), let me know what needs to be fixed. DanTD (talk) 23:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OT; Does anybody plan to archive this page soon? DanTD (talk) 23:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, I'll do it. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 05:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)