Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/Archive 17

Looking for a name
Hello all,

I am going to create a new category on commons for these files:

How can I name it? The names of the files themselves don't lead me to a certain consistent term... Vcohen (talk) 15:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * These all appear to be photos of the strip maps or FIND systems in the newer subway cars. Naming them something relating to that might be helpful. Mysteryman557 (talk) 15:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I vaguely remember there being a category for these, but I keep forgetting what it was. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * A category for the NYCS or something more general? None of these files belong to such a category, and I think in the commons:Category:Train interiors of the New York City Subway system category there are no more files related to the subject. Vcohen (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Is this the category that you remember? Vcohen (talk) 18:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, that's not it. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What name would be the most correct? "FIND" refers to the newer models only. "Strip maps" may mean paper maps as well. Is there a more accurate name? Vcohen (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * How about New York City Subway car interior linear maps. That's what they're basically are, with the FIND being an electronic version of such. Roadrunner3000 (talk) 20:40, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. For me it's more than OK, but I'd like to wait for somebody else to support this name. Vcohen (talk) 21:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I support the name. I think it properly fits all of the photos. Mysteryman557 (talk) 22:44, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I support as well. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with it. I just wish I could remember what name I saw before. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

✅, thank you. Vcohen (talk) 12:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Are there any R62/R62A linear maps unaccounted for? Epicgenius (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Springfield Junction
Could someone more knowledgeable than I about the LIRR take a look at Special:Contributions/67.87.211.119? They've made some template-breaking edits of questionable value regarding Springfield Junction (Long Island Rail Road). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The anonymous IP was right about the fact that it really wasn't anything else but junction. I don't know what templates were broken, though. Can you show me some of them? -User:DanTD (talk) 21:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Thousands of new pictures
Hundreds of thousands of pictures arrived last week from HABS via Library of Congress via Wikimedia Great Britain. Thousands are now in Commons:Category:New York City, of which perhaps over a thousand have to do with stations and similar transport topics. I have trickled a few into subcategories and a very few into appropriate articles, but there's plenty more. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You're so right. There are so many of them, I added a TOC tag to it. In fact, it may be a good idea to make new ones, with the images that were uploaded. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * New tip; the historic Mott Avenue Control House finally has an image. I'm glad it's there, but I'm also kind of sad. The use of black and white in a photograph from the 1970's or 1980's is kind of pretentious, but since it is of an NRHP site, it's also appropriate. Plus I had that station on my list of images to grab. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Montague Street Tunnel reopening
It is official, the Montague Street Tunnels reopen in a matter of hours, which means dozens of articles need to be revised, including the obvious R (New York City Subway service) and N (New York City Subway service). The station layout diagrams for every station the R train serves need to edited too. Also needing revising are Template:NYCS Broadway south and Template:NYCS Fourth Montague. Any mentioning of the closure on the station articles between DeKalb Avenue and Canal Street should probably be removed since it did not affect the stations in any way. Hope someone can make all these edits soon. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Possible vandalism
Some anonymous IP (User:216.165.95.66) has been removing rolling stock from various subway line articles. Should these edits be accepted, or would it be okay to revert them? -User:DanTD (talk) 22:36, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The IP's edit summaries are correct: "stock is not assigned by physical line," because it is assigned by service. The stock parameter in the template is intended for other cities, where line means service. Vcohen (talk) 08:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct. So, I suggest adding two parameters – rolling stock and depot – to infobox NYCS service. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * For an example of how that may be used, see here. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's build in NYCS const something similar to what we already have for services in articles about cars, but in the reverse order. Vcohen (talk) 17:44, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * My first version is here. Vcohen (talk) 18:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:27, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

File:NYC subway late night map June2010.svg
There is an error in this map, in that the D train is shown as stopping at 14th Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line). Can someone fix it? – Epicgenius (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Spuyten Duyvil and Port Morris Railroad
I'm sure some of you have seen my article on the Spuyten Duyvil and Port Morris Railroad, and yes, I was late with the station list. So what am I missing? -User:DanTD (talk) 20:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

What station is this - May-September 2014
Comrades,

What station is this? I see an arrow pointing to the R, this makes me think it is the Fourth Avenue (IND Culver Line) station. However, in its article nothing is told about a temporary platform, but in the Smith–Ninth Streets (IND Culver Line) article only.

Thanks in advance. Vcohen (talk) 07:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Only place it could be is the Fourth Avenue / Ninth Street (New York City Subway) complex. The sign on the chain link fence does identify it as 4th avenue, and a G train is approaching. Seems pretty straightforward to me. oknazevad (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I had missed the sign. Vcohen (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Another one. I am not asking to identify the station (it's Canarsie - Rockaway Parkway), but it would be nice to identify the car model. Vcohen (talk) 20:52, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe that's actually a D-type Triplex (New York City Subway car). You have found quite the picture there. -User:DanTD (talk) 22:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The picture is from 2002, so it still isn't a regular trip. There is a whole set of pictures there, but most of them are copyrighted. Vcohen (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

And more. Are these R32s? Vcohen (talk) 19:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Judging by the fleet number of the one on the left, yes. -User:DanTD (talk) 00:52, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Vcohen (talk) 05:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I am confused by this image, serving as the main image for the Chambers Street – World Trade Center (IND Eighth Avenue Line) pair of stations. The station in the photo is titled Chambers Street, but its caption in the article says that the train is an E train. How can it be? Vcohen (talk) 17:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That is the E platform at the Chambers Street – World Trade Center complex, since the transfer signs in the photo show directions to the A, C, 2 and 3 services. Some of the signs on the E platform say Chambers Street as opposed to World Trade Center. Mysteryman557 (talk) 18:08, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I keep forgetting that station names in the NYC Subway are also used as signposts pointing to streets, not only as station names proper. Vcohen (talk) 19:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello all,

Is this 181st Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) or 181st Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line)? Vcohen (talk) 12:05, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * My guess would be 181st Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) because the 181st Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) station only has elevators from the mezzanine to the platform level. There is one set of emergency stairs at the 181st Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) station, but they are emergency stairs only, and I doubt they would look like the ones in the photo, since the stirs in the photo look like a typical station staircase. However, I am not completely sure due to the lack of detail in the photograph. Mysteryman557 (talk) 12:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You are right, now I see the same point in the last image here. Vcohen (talk) 12:37, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. Mysteryman557 (talk) 13:17, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello again,

Where is this? The photographer claims it's in NYC. Vcohen (talk) 08:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no reason to doubt that photographer's word. Unfortunately, I don't know where it is either. Anyone else know of a station with that kind of opening in the wall? -User:DanTD (talk) 16:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I have found something similar at 36th Street (BMT Fourth Avenue Line). The pattern above the opening is the same, but the shape of the tiles is different. Vcohen (talk) 18:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Bingo! It's Atlantic Avenue (BMT Fourth Avenue Line). Vcohen (talk) 18:40, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

This is the old City Hall station. What do I see through the skylight? It seems to be the station's roof and a kind of building behind it. Is it possible to see this place from outside? Vcohen (talk) 20:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is an answer: "The three station skylights corresponded to three gratings in City Hall Park, but they have been covered over in the past few years; a solid hatch door appears to mark one of them." Vcohen (talk) 09:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyright question
Is this map on the MTA's website copyrighted? Epicgenius (talk) 14:52, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * By default, all maps are copyrighted. Take a look: they deleted the file I had uploaded and two additional files I tried to use as examples of existing files, and all this only because the files included maps or something similar to maps. Vcohen (talk) 15:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Epicgenius (talk) 16:29, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * For some reason, the MTA released this June 2013 version on their flickr. But otherwise, yes, their maps are copyrighted. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:50, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it may have been for public relations or for illustration, though. For some reason, the same photostream also includes pictures of MTA bosses and a Second Avenue Subway map. Epicgenius (talk) 17:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The following section talks about very serious problems with some NYCT wikipedia pages. Problem #1 (problem level: quite severe) This problem has many sub problems but, let me talk about this problem. Abut 2 to 3 months ago I edited the R160 subway car page, telling that the R160 does run at very extremely low numbers on the R line. Within 1 to 4 hours someone removed my comment saying that what I said was untrue, when I myself take the R train everyday and I have seen many R160's that run on the R line. I tried many things from adding images to other stuff and added a source at one point. Every time some one removes my edit saying irrelevant, not true, or photo shopped or video shopped, when the the media s I took my self were not. I have a feeling that a bunch of over obsessiveness users have this page watch listed and are very judgmental about every single edit. This could prove very bad for the Wikipedia environment. There were users threat are part of this Wikipedia project that did agree to what I had to say and that what I said was totally true, when I put my edits on the R-line Wikipedia page, they said they removed it only because it would be hard to find supported references. I thank those people who stayed and supported the truth, and had a valid reason for removing my edit. Since i am not a admin i can't do anything about the over obsessive users so here is the list of over obsessive users:50.14.142.33, 173.3.76.147,  67.81.210.130.(I really don't want to point fingers at other people but, this is what happens when I am angry). You can see the very bad obsessiveness, by the same and a few other users, towards many different users or calling the names like the f vandal when that person was having a true problem, in the history page of R160 subway cars between dates 2014-04-14 to present day. I feel something must be done, if someone thinks i am wrong they can talk with me on my talk page. I don't care about the edits that I made but, I care about how others feel hen they are not invited editing a Wikipedia page if there edits don't match the ideas of other users who have the page watch listed. Sorry, for this huge paragraph but, this is how big I think this problem is since the page will go nowhere if no one is able to edit it. Also, is there any source where I can prove the r train thing true? Problem #2(problem level:not that high at all) Every time in the 60th street tunnel connection queens bound I see countless number of divergence of tunnels and track that are walled up or look like unused, I don't know the use so can some one who knows the use add it into the 60th street tunnel connection Wikipedia page. I can see this also via the signals that actually have different tower lengths throughout the connection at countless number of points in both directions. there are other problems but, ill post them up latter. If you have any concerns about this post please contact me via my talk page. Thank You very much, sincerely, Doorknob747 01:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

What construction os being done?
Does anybody know about the tracks that they are making on the other side of the platform where the downtown bound F train stops at Lexington avenue? Doorknob747 18:41, 12 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, we do. Vcohen (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Image Progress Update: November 2014
I'm taking a brief break from my vacation to reveal that I have images of railroad and subway stations prepared for uploading at the end of the month. And thankfully, they will include a replacement for Woodmere (LIRR station) this time. It will also include some Mount Kisco (Metro-North station) images as well. I'll finish the rest of the list some other time, especially after I get more of them, and drive home between Thursday and Friday. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:57, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: Does anybody remember what I said about the 167th Street station on the IRT Jerome Avenue Line would be best seen from Gerard Avenue?




 * I've loaded more images today, and I've got plenty of others to come. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * UPDATE #2: As I promised, I finally added the new version of Woodmere (LIRR station), along with a whole new gallery for the station. But I also got images of the Bellport (LIRR station), Mastic–Shirley (LIRR station), Seaford (LIRR station), Hempstead Gardens (LIRR station), and Lakeview (LIRR station), as well as former stations like Calverton (LIRR station), Canal Street (LIRR station) Center Moriches (LIRR station), East Moriches (LIRR station), and South Farmingdale (LIRR station). The Hempstead Gardens and Seaford Station images weren't what I was looking for, but at least the West Hempstead Branch is fully illustrated now. I actually tried to get Manorville (LIRR station), but instead I got a private house that has been mistaken for that station in the past on other railfan sites. I'm still disappointed that I haven't gotten images of Amagansett (LIRR station), Bridgehampton (LIRR station), Carle Place (LIRR station), Southold (LIRR station), and Mattituck (LIRR station)'s "produce storage" facility, along with former stations like Holtsville (LIRR station), Eastport (LIRR station), Quogue (LIRR station), Shinnecock Hills (LIRR station), Water Mill (LIRR station), Cutchogue (LIRR station), and Peconic (LIRR station).
 * Though I never got a chance to restore the New Rochelle (Metro-North station) that were previously deleted as WP:Copyvios, or expand the Philipse Manor (Metro-North station) gallery, I was able to expand galleries on the Harlem Line, specifically Mount Kisco (Metro-North station), which unfortunately didn't include the former New York and Harlem Railroad freight house north of the station. What's also disappointing was that I never got a chance to expand the Brewster (Metro-North station), Actually, if User:Usroadman's website images are any indication, there are some pretty decent images of stations to capture between Mount Kisco and Brewster, but Valhalla (Metro-North station) and Dover Plains (Metro-North station) look like they need some extra images. Much to my surprise, I was able to expand Woodlawn (Metro-North station) and Harlem-125th Street (Metro-North station).
 * Finally on the subways; Kingston Avenue (IRT Eastern Parkway Line) and Nevins Street (IRT Eastern Parkway Line) have more images, which means there are no longer any galleries for stations along the IRT Eastern Parkway Line that have single images. I also expanded Junius Street (IRT New Lots Line), and in The Bronx, I expanded 167th Street (IRT Jerome Avenue Line), Simpson Street (IRT White Plains Road Line), Pelham Parkway (IRT Dyre Avenue Line), and got the images I wanted last year from Eastchester - Dyre Avenue (IRT Dyre Avenue Line). All I need to do left is add more to the 149th Street – Grand Concourse (New York City Subway) (both the Jermome Avenue and White Plains Road line platforms.). I even got more images from Grand Central – 42nd Street (New York City Subway), but so far I've just done two from the IRT Flushing Line platforms. Sadly, nothing from New Jersey Transit this time, or New Jersey in general. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:04, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * UPDATE #3: Although I saw it a few weeks ago, User:Mitchazenia added some images from Amagansett (LIRR station) and Quogue (LIRR station). I was hoping to get one with the Amagansett station shelter and freight house in the same shot, but beggars can't really be choosers, can they? I'm wondering if the Bridgehampton (LIRR station) image he has is something he would deem worthy of that article, and I see that he also has some Forest Hills (LIRR station) images that could really enhance that gallery, if he decides to add them. In my case, I have to confess that this image is the highlight of my entire vacation. Not even the Mott Avenue Control House of 167th Street from Gerard Avenue or the replacement for Woodmere station comes close to this. Well, evidently, every station within the system that I took pictures of is up, so you'll all have to wait until next year before I get any others. And hopefully late next Spring or Summer, because my MetroCard expires on Halloween 2015! -User:DanTD (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Mysterious cubbyhole at Kingston Avenue
Who knows the reason for these cubbyholes at Kingston Avenue (IRT Eastern Parkway Line)? -User:DanTD (talk) 18:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Can't say this or isn't a refuge cutout. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:43, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not for homeless people. You can see similar things at Woodhaven Blvd. station on queens line and continuing after station when going Manhattan bound.  It is used during the construction of switching the platform layout of a station.  First this is built.  If this part reaches ceiling that means there will be a wall on the middle of platform.  The cubby hole could be a break in the wall so people could change direction.  After the construction of this part the station is definitely, shut down for a while and the former platforms are demolished and are replaced by track on demolished are and old tracks are removed.  In place of old tracks would be new platform.  The things in the middle will be covered with plaster and tiled.  That's how they switch the platform layotut. This is widely seen across the subway due to the large extension plans that evolved turning stations to express stations, and centered platformed station.  This was later abandoned so places where work was done to a small extent the work was abandoned as it can be seen on this station, and Woodhaven Blvd. and a few others.  Doorknob747 23:42, 16 December 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * By chance if you were talking about those two gaps at the far end at the other end of the tube, then my mistake for the post above, those I think are emergency exit("Quite awkward if located at a subway stop.  By chance I am not trying to say that you got the station image mixed up but is this station the south ferry loops, those two things might be the platform on the inner loop, because it is quite awkward for there to be a emergency exit at a station or a women's or men's dirty subway bathroom located where there is no platform.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

What was the name of this line or service that was run by MTA? Comment
Although it has been more than a year since I read about this but, I forgot about the name line of the service. I remember that I read that the service near one of its terminals merged with the seven line or the n line in queens( the elevated merge section of its tracks is still visible today. The rest of the line was demolished.  I think I read that it ran past perpendicular under queens boulevard, and had a stop there.  I think I also read it was a shuttle or trolley service which was discontinued and was replaced by a mta bus service that runs near its original route.  It was underground at some points, and above ground at other points.  I am not sure but I think it said that its other terminal end was near the metropolitan end of the m line in queens.  Does any body know the name of this service? Doorknob747 23:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Are they 2 separate elevated lines? IRT 2nd Avenue Line and BMT Myrtle Avenue Line. Epicgenius (talk) 15:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe Doorknob747 is talking about the spur from the IRT Second Avenue Line. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:16, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I am quite shure I was thinking about something that was not in Bronx, Manhattan, or Staten Island. I am quite sure it had a wikpedia page, that was seen on google earth once.  It had a stop at grand avenue.  Doorknob747 23:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That spur I'm talking about went into Queens, though (Queensboro Plaza (New York City Subway); Queensboro Bridge). -User:DanTD (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I realy want to add a section on the page New York City Subway Comment
The section would be named homeless. It wiill talk about homeless peopkle making it theire homes and making the stations full of garbage, and smeelly.m But, I fear opposition against, this since I thin some people might find it  "offensive". Also there are no sources. Please comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't remember what station this was in manhattan
This station was part of the 5,4, or six. The special thing about the plat form was that when the train stops,before the doors open a platform extends from the end of the platform and train. Ater they both connect the door opens. Doorknob747 23:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Is this it? Jim.henderson (talk) 15:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That looks like it. Doorknob747 20:22, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This is Union Square NB on the 4, 5, 6. Epicgenius (talk) 03:40, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Another question

 * This is sort of trivia question. At what subway station can you find a R1 linked with a R2 linked with a R3 linked with a R4 and so and so forth al the way to the modern day R173.  Hint:  The subway station is not used anymore, and you can only access it with real money no metro card.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you need it for editing wikipedia? Vcohen (talk) 21:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No why?Doorknob747 23:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * This page is intended for discussions about editing wikipedia, not just talking. If you have questions not related to wikipedia, there are many forums all over the web. Vcohen (talk) 07:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

34th Street – Hudson Yards (IRT Flushing Line)
According to this source, the station will open February 24, 2015. It is based, apparently, on this source, which confirms no such thing, but says that there is incentive to finish and open the station by that date. Is it an acceptable source, or are there any more sources confirming a February 24 opening? – Epicgenius (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Disregard the above, please. It is opening in April to July 2015. Epicgenius (talk) 03:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Fulton Street entrances
Could anybody review and update the list of Street View links here? Some of them obviously show that an entrance has been eliminated, but I want to be sure to eliminate the link. Vcohen (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. Removed 2 entrances. Also updated the links. Epicgenius (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Vcohen (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Just a moment... I have found two more entrances that disappear once I try to replace their view to a newer one. Here they are: Am I right we have to remove them as well? Vcohen (talk) 21:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * before -> after
 * before -> after
 * Let's switch to the new Google Maps (click here) and then compare views using the time machine feature (the clock with the arrow at top left in street view). But yes, these entrances may also be removed based on most recent Street View data. Epicgenius (talk) 04:02, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done. Vcohen (talk) 09:18, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

MTA
Could members of this project take note that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in New York is a state agency and not a city one, and also that the proper name for the agency is just plain "Metropolitan Transportation Authority" without any preceding "New York" -- although it's certainly OK to add "New York" if disambiguation is needed, as in "New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority" of "the Metropolitan Transportation Authority of New York". It looks to me like every NYC Subway station article has at least one example of "New York City Metropolitan Transportation Authority" in it. I've fixed a few, but it would be nice if members of this project could fix others when they're editing subway articles. Thanks. BMK (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * (Originally in its own, separate section) Please see here for a relevant discussion on the appendage of "New York"/"New York City" before "Metropolitan Transportation Authority" in ridership references in NYC Subway station articles. Thanks. Epicgenius (talk) 22:42, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Help needed
Somebody wants to delete the official map. Vcohen (talk) 12:06, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Mott Haven Junction Interlocking Tower
During my journeys on the Harlem Line last month, I noticed the abandoned interlocking tower built by New York Central Railroad at Mott Haven Junction. Would it have been unwise for me to take some pictures of that tower as the train went by, or would the conductors and MTA Police have even bothered with me? -User:DanTD (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I've taken photos from MNRR trains on several occasions and had no problems. The MTA rules of conduct state: "Photography, filming or video recording in any facility or conveyance is permitted except that ancillary equipment such as lights, reflectors or tripods may not be used. Members of the press holding valid identification issued by the New York City Police Department are hereby authorized to use necessary ancillary equipment. All photographic activity must be conducted in accordance with the provisions of this Part." That puts you on solid ground permissions-wise; additionally "I'm a railfan / doing historic documentation of railroads" is usually enough to establish you as not a threat if asked. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, well I thought the MTA might be a little more strict on control towers and such. I've used something similar to "I'm a railfan / doing historic documentation of railroads" when I'm approached by anyone in charge. I usually just keep printouts of what I'm trying to get pictures of. Back in the day when I grabbed some shots of Oyster Bay (LIRR station) and the nearby turntable, I just told an suspicious MTA employee at the Oyster Bay Yard that I was snapping pictures of stations for Wikipedia, and whipped out a printout of the article back when it had no picture. He also told me that they had to keep an eye out for people taking pictures for more sinister reasons, and I told him I understood his attitude. Then he drove me towards the back of Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Park, and let me snap some shots of the turntable behind the fence. On the way back he asked if I thought the old station house would reopen, which I had my doubts about, and then told me straight up it would as the proposed museum. I told the guy that something like this would be nice to see. -User:DanTD (talk) 22:39, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you know what I just realized yesterday? When I was at the 149th Street – Grand Concourse Subway Complex, I could've just walked a block and a half to the east, and taken a shot of it from the damn 149th Street Bridge over the junction itself! Somebody get me a facepalm smiley for this post! -User:DanTD (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Yards for cars
Hello all,

I created a new entry in the NYCS const template for yard assignments and called it in all articles about NYCS cars. My source is thejoekorner.com. The values that I replaced in infoboxes did not change in articles, with only one exception: the source does not mention the Lenox Yard and distributes all the R62's between two other yards, so I commented it out in the template. Feel free to uncomment it back. Vcohen (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Photo request category
Tonight I created the Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of LIRR stations, since I've seen similar categories for other stations in the country. Will it get more people to take those pictures? Don't ask me. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:03, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

"MPS" at 149th Street - Grand Concourse (New York City Subway)?
I vaguely remembered something about a specific mosaic at the 149th Street-Grand Concourse (New York City Subway) as I approached this mosaic during my recent trip to the New York City Tri-State Area, and it was a very specific mosaic with the acronym "MPS." Sadly, I forgot where I saw this before, let alone the meaning behind it. -User:DanTD (talk) 01:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

It probably is the initials of the artist that made the mosaic. M is the first letter of first name. P is the first letter of middle name. Lastly, S might be the first letter of the last name. Doorknob747 18:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * Looks to me as if it is well enough created to appear legitimate, however I think it is simply sharpie vandalism. 2604:2000:C6AC:D00:788F:6D19:2935:9C81 (talk) 16:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it's too good to be vandalism, and as I've said, I've seen articles on this before. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Googling MPS Graffiti has numerous results, and seems to me to be the most obvious answer. I could easily have made such a mark, as someone with no past graffiti experience and no particular artistic skill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.66 (talk) 20:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it doesn't look like a real mosaic. It looks like someone drew it with a marker. The tiles are not carved around the letters, as in a real mosaic; rather, it looks like the letters were applied after the tiles were. Further, the lines in the MPS "mosaic" are not solid lines, but have tiny gaps between them that show that it's probably a marker. The color consistency of the letters is also not constant, as in a real mosaic; some parts of the letter are darker than others. Epicgenius (talk) 17:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Increasing gallery sizes
Looking at the Subway station pictures that are needed, I've been considering which galleries to fill up on my next NYC trip. I'm already considering adding images for the 96th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) and Morrison Avenue – Soundview (IRT Pelham Line) galleries, but the limited number of pictures in an NRHP-listed station such as Elmhurst Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line), has perplexed me over what kinds of images I should pursue. For example does this sign still exist? Also to get this entrance at Briarwood – Van Wyck Boulevard (IND Queens Boulevard Line), it seems like you'd have to get it directly from the Van Wyck Expressway if you get it at this angle. The last time I was there, I wasn't in a traffic jam, but the construction on the Main Street & Queens Boulevard interchanges could put a damper on capturing it. If it could be captured another way, or at another angle, I'd like to find out how it could be done. Beyond that, I have no idea what images the rest of you will be seeking this year. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:05, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw this sign the other day; it still exists. Taking a picture of this entrance from this side wouldn't be good, because 1) you can't rely on the traffic being there and 2) you'd have to take a picture through a fence. It'd be better to take a picture of the opposite side, on the service road. Epicgenius (talk) 03:54, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The side and angle of the Street View link have been dictated by the existing imagery made by Google. That entrance has many other interesting sides and angles, such as this or this. Vcohen (talk) 13:51, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Template:NYCS stations navbox
I have worked on a new version of the new template NYCS stations navbox at Template:NYCS stations navbox/sandbox. It now shows next stops on other lines when one or two lines end at or near a certain station. Feedback is highly appreciated. Epicgenius (talk) 00:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I would change two things. 1. Instead of (← to Rockaway Boulevard, Fulton Street Line) write [← to Rockaway Boulevard (IND Fulton Street Line)] (with square brackets). 2. When you say "Queens Plaza (closed)," it looks like the station is closed, so we have to invent another sign to show unused rail connections. Vcohen (talk) 11:38, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * All right. I will do your first suggestion tomorrow. We can probably either add a superscript or format the text in another way (such as using a strikethrough). Epicgenius (talk) 04:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Using a strikethrough will be perfect. Vcohen (talk) 12:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've edited it just now. How does it look? Epicgenius (talk) 16:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Much better. Vcohen (talk) 17:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The following section talks about very serious problems with some NYCT wikipedia pages. Problem #1 (problem level: quite severe) This problem has many sub problems but, let me talk about this problem. Abut 2 to 3 months ago I edited the R160 subway car page, telling that the R160 does run at very extremely low numbers on the R line. Within 1 to 4 hours someone removed my comment saying that what I said was untrue, when I myself take the R train everyday and I have seen many R160's that run on the R line. I tried many things from adding images to other stuff and added a source at one point. Every time some one removes my edit saying irrelevant, not true, or photo shopped or video shopped, when the the media s I took my self were not. I have a feeling that a bunch of over obsessiveness users have this page watch listed and are very judgmental about every single edit. This could prove very bad for the Wikipedia environment. There were users threat are part of this Wikipedia project that did agree to what I had to say and that what I said was totally true, when I put my edits on the R-line Wikipedia page, they said they removed it only because it would be hard to find supported references. I thank those people who stayed and supported the truth, and had a valid reason for removing my edit. Since i am not a admin i can't do anything about the over obsessive users so here is the list of over obsessive users:50.14.142.33, 173.3.76.147,  67.81.210.130.(I really don't want to point fingers at other people but, this is what happens when I am angry). You can see the very bad obsessiveness, by the same and a few other users, towards many different users or calling the names like the f vandal when that person was having a true problem, in the history page of R160 subway cars between dates 2014-04-14 to present day. I feel something must be done, if someone thinks i am wrong they can talk with me on my talk page. I don't care about the edits that I made but, I care about how others feel hen they are not invited editing a Wikipedia page if there edits don't match the ideas of other users who have the page watch listed. Sorry, for this huge paragraph but, this is how big I think this problem is since the page will go nowhere if no one is able to edit it. Also, is there any source where I can prove the r train thing true? Problem #2(problem level:not that high at all) Every time in the 60th street tunnel connection queens bound I see countless number of divergence of tunnels and track that are walled up or look like unused, I don't know the use so can some one who knows the use add it into the 60th street tunnel connection Wikipedia page. I can see this also via the signals that actually have different tower lengths throughout the connection at countless number of points in both directions. there are other problems but, ill post them up latter. If you have any concerns about this post please contact me via my talk page. Thank You very much, sincerely, Doorknob747 01:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a forum, but let's solve these problems anyway. #1: The R160 is not on the R train's official roster. #2: The 60th St Tunnel branches off into the Connection and the Astoria Line at the connection's western end. At the eastern end, the Queens Boulevard Line's local tracks become the Crosstown Line and the Connection. I assure you there are no walled-off or unused spaces there; it's just the way the tunnel was built later than surrounding infrastructure. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi protectiong quick on NYCT
on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Transit_Authority wikipage yoou will see a female moron thinking this is some kind of pu or some *********, for her to do this vandalism some admin please put security on this page, i did roll back vandal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 06:34, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Any vandals can be reported to WP:AIV. Epic Genius (talk) 02:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposed move of articles about stations with spaced endash
See Talk:King Street – Old Town Station. wants to move Forest Hills – 71st Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line) to Forest Hills–71st Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line) per WP:NC-NYCS. I am saying that if one article is moved, then all articles should probably be moved. Epic Genius (talk) 20:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree with you. Not only all articles, but also all station names where an article is about a station complex and individual stations are described in sections. Vcohen (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

BMT Fulton Street opening and closing dates
I've already posted this on the Fulton Street Line (elevated) talk page and got no response yet;

For a long time, I've found the opening and closing dates of the stations listed in that article very difficult to believe. The main issue has been various stations between Nostrand Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue. The 1912 BRT Map and 1924 BMT map indicate Troy Avenue replaced the Albany and Sumner Avenue stations, and Hinsdale Street replaced the Eastern Parkway station. Those BRT and BMT maps also don't show any evidence of Troy Avenue station before the 1924 map, but I found some Brooklyn Daily Eagle articles showing a Troy Avenue station going as far back as at least 1889, and the only other Troy Avenue Station I know of is an old LIRR Atlantic Branch/Atlantic Avenue Rapid Transit station, which closed in 1878. I also realize that the Dual Contracts added that third track during the 1910s, which evidently had an impact on some of the stations mentioned. The only question here is, when was that project completed? Then, there's the issue of Clark and Tillary Street stations; As mentioned in the Western Electric reference, BRT was asking the New York Public Service Commission to let them close these and four other stations, but only ended up closing these two. Again the question is of when. Did they close them in 1901, when the BRT filed that request, or was it next year, or the year after that? None of the usual sources are telling me anything. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyright
Comrades, is this picture permitted to be uploaded? It shows another picture exposed in a museum. Vcohen (talk) 15:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * What museum is this? (MTA downtown Brooklyn? 9/11?) Who owns the museum and what is their typical copyright policy? What article is it for and did you want to upload to commons or locally with an FUR?
 * re the photograph: Flickr currently says CC BY 2.0. Is there any reason to believe or disbelieve it was taken by that Flickr user? --Jeremyb (talk) 15:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The museum is the National September 11 Memorial & Museum. The article is Survivors' Staircase. I am going to upload it to commons, but should like to be sure it is permitted. Vcohen (talk) 16:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is permitted. CC-BY-2.0 is compatible with Commons. I'm assuming the image of the people within that picture is already free use. This is the 9/11 Museum, but I'm not sure about their copyright policy. Epic Genius (talk) 18:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. I will try to upload it. Vcohen (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. Could you help me with my broken English? Vcohen (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've got another copyright question myself; Back in November I snapped some pics of the 167th Street (IRT Jerome Avenue Line) station, but there were two pictures there that I didn't add. One was a poster for the LIM College, which I saw at other stations, and was obviously not worth bothering with, and another was a poster by the NYS Tourist Info's "Path Through History" for the Grand Concourse Historic District. Would something like this be okay? -User:DanTD (talk) 19:29, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, as long as you took it yourself and release it under the correct license. We should have a Commons equivalent of this page for copyright requests. Epic Genius (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Wait, how is everyone getting their information. There is a photo, presumably under typical copyright, in a private museum which also applies typical copyright. Who has evidence that this photo has a free license? Someone on Flickr took a photo of this non-free photo then put a CC license on their image, but that still does not avoid the copyright on the main photo. Everything associated with this photo should be deleted unless someone has proof that the original has a free license.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  20:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point. However, a license reviewer already verified the license on Commons already. It should be somehow unverified. Epic Genius (talk) 20:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the license reviewer is a bot that verifies the Flickr license only, not the whole story of the depicted content. That's why I asked this question here. Vcohen (talk) 20:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ohhh. I get it now. Epic Genius (talk) 21:05, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyway, this photo is by Shannon Stapleton of Reuters, and was given by the PANYNJ to the 9/11 Museum as a courtesy. Her website's copyright states "Images © Shannon Stapleton and Reuters 2014." However, I am not sure of the current copyright status because it is now an image under the 9/11 Museum's purview. But if we are unaware of the copyright status of the other picture, we can assume that this work is probably not freely licensed or legally in the public domain. I'm still not sure, though. I don't see any copyrights in the picture shown in the Commons image. Epic Genius (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is Privacy Policy http://www.911memorial.org/privacy-policy for 9/11 memorial website. I think same copyright apply to all photographs. Martin Morin (talk) 21:36, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That is for the website. I'm not sure it applies to printed photographs as well. Epic Genius (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It almost never happens that museums collect the copyright of the photos they display. Owning and displaying a print is unrelated to acquiring the copyright. Unless someone has proof that this museum did something extremely unusual, then the photo is non-free. I am tagging it for deletion now.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  23:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Another one. The formal license is OK. But still, is anything wrong? Vcohen (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see any other problems with this image. Epic Genius (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Many of that Flickr user (myrtle_avenue_brooklyn)'s images (including that one) are copyvios, apparently taken from forgotten-ny.com. The obviously false date is a tipoff. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 14:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't recognize this at first. Definitely something not to upload (unless someone can contact Kevin Walsh about the use of his images on Wikimedia Commons). Epic Genius (talk) 15:49, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Pi.1415926535. I knew you would know the answer. Vcohen (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Here is a new attempt. This time it's the staircase only, without copyrighted photographs. Are museum exhibits permitted to be republished? The National September 11 Museum category does not contain images from the museum itself, I don't know why. Vcohen (talk) 18:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Weird old train
I saw a weird old train on the one line today showing the roll sign 20. The bullet was a gradient texture color with blue on the outer edges of the bullet and as you go to center the color became white. The 20 was in the back color. The train only consisted of five cars only. Boy did the train smell bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 2 March 2015‎ (UTC)
 * Now I'm confused. Epic Genius (talk) 01:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Do not worry the train terminals it said was south ferry outer loop and the other terminal was, City Hall that is all I remember about that train. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I almost thought you might've spotted something like this. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I know what was the intended purpose of the 20 line and why it does not exist today. It probably served a similar purpose of the bowling green shuttle which was to let south ferry station have a subway ser if that also goes on the eastern side of Manhattan.  Also, I think around the time where the MTA stopped using double letters and double numbers I think that is when the bowling green shuttle service replaced the 20 line, and the reason why the bowling green shuttle service is no more can be seen on its Wikipedia page.  Although it still counts as an unusual subway line service logo.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * So it was a white 20 in a circular blue bullet. Huh. Never saw that before. Although, I have never seen the 11 train either. (Also, 20 was never used on the IRT, and IRT rolling stock has no actual bullets over 13, but I think the BMT used up to 16.) Epic Genius (talk) 18:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you probably know that every now and then, the MTA will experiment with unconventional numbers, like adding an 8 train to a 7 train on the IRT Flushing Line. I keep thinking this might've been the same deal. -User:DanTD (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * But the 8 was in the middle of the train. It is not uncommon to see the wrong route number on the rollsigns at the ends of the ends cars that are placed in the middle of the train. I think the MTA wanted to add a 8, a 10, and a 12 train to the IRT Lexington Avenue Line sometime in the past few decades. Epic Genius (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Who knows they might have the train sent to the south ferry outer loop, every one gets out, set the tack switch to inner loop sending the train to bowling green. Who knows maybe after the new south ferry station gets fixed from sandy damage, they probably do not want the old station to just stand there and catch dust, so probably they are just testing if this new service is a good service.-Doorknob747 00:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at this video you will not believe how many lines can this train go on, it can go on any line in the system almost  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN4NY_6qMpU     .  Lol I did not know that the Q train was orange at one time.  Also, I did not know that there was a orange s train and a yellow S train.  Watch the video to see how long it takes to just show the not in service bullet.  Doorknob747 00:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * You may want to read our article Manhattan Bridge Reconstruction for a history of all that. The Q was orange from 1988 to 2001, when it ran on the 6th Ave Line with the B, D, and F, before the 63rd Street Line was completed. Also, the R68 can only use BMT and IND trackage, so it can't "go any line in the system almost"... Epic Genius (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Then what was the purpose for the yellow S service? Doorknob747 14:39, 4 March 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * Temporary shuttle for the 63 St Line. Epic Genius (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw the train again today, I looked for the name plate at the ends at the ends of the car. There were actually two or three plates, one said the original manufacturer with the manufacturer name scratched of,  it said the train was a R40B prototype.  Then there was another name plate I think that said framework reconstruction and it said R40B prototype converted to R48A proto type.It said the refurbishing was done by Morrison-Knudsen, and the framework reconstruction done by Alcoa inc.  The date of the overhaul was scratched off.  Doorknob747 02:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * Carry a camera phone. It can be worth thousands of words. Or a real camera. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

AirTrain LGA
An article seems to exist about the proposed AirTrain LGA. More sources and expansion may be needed. Epic Genius (talk) 02:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * This is real? I remember reading that Andrew Cuomo wants to make it happen, but I had no idea there were any serious plans to actually build the line. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:15, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's early in the process, but Cuomo does seem to want, pardon the pun, fast track it. As noted at one of the articles in the source, it would go right along an existing highway, with no private property needed to be taken at all. so it's probably not the hardest thing to build. But I agree with Epic that the article will likely need expansion over time. The current stub, however, pretty much says everything there is to say about it.
 * Now comes my only question: the article title. While people do know the airport code "LGA" for LaGuardia, it's not commonly used as shorthand for the airport like "JFK" is for Kennedy. I mention that, because while the AirTrain JFK is so named, the other system is AirTrain Newark, not "AirTrain EWR". In short, I think the "AirTrain LGA" name is made up and incorrect. Notably, while all sources use the AirTrain name, none use the exact article title to name it. oknazevad (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. What will be an appropriate name for the article about this plan? Epic Genius (talk) 13:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, "AirTrain LaGuardia", in line with "AirTrain Newark". I've been looking to see if there's any sort of official name for this, and so far the answer is no. But either way, it seems that the use of LGA was chosen without regard to the lack of use as a common shorthand for the airport outside aviation fan circles. oknazevad (talk) 15:25, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅; I have moved the page accordingly. Epic Genius (talk) 17:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Former MSBA terminals
I'm debating whether I should add places like the Mineola Intermodal Center and Rosa Parks Hempstead Transit Center to a new section on former MSBA/Long Island Bus transit center hubs to the Template:MTA RBO. Yay or Nay? -User:DanTD (talk) 20:37, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say Yay for that idea. These terminals used to be run as part of LI Bus until they came under NICE operation. Epic Genius (talk) 02:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay I did it. But now I'm considering adding three shopping malls in Nassau County that have been used as former Long Island Bus hubs, considering that we already have the Staten Island Mall there. -User:DanTD (talk) 17:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If the SI Mall is in the navbox, then the shopping malls in Nassau County can probably also go there. Epic Genius (talk) 18:21, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

LIRR East Side Access S-Line
I'm planning a new S-Line template for the LIRR City Terminal Zone leading to Grand Central Terminal, despite the fact that it's at least 5 years away from being completed. Should I call it Template:S-line/LIRR left/City East Side or Template:S-line/LIRR left/City Grand Central, or something else? -User:DanTD (talk) 20:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * How about Template:S-line/LIRR left/City Grand Central? Template:S-line/LIRR left/City Main, Template:S-line/LIRR left/City Montauk, and Template:S-line/LIRR left/City Atlantic are for the branches of the City Terminal Zone leading to Penn, LI City, and Atlantic Terminal stations, respectively. Epic Genius (talk) 15:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I tried it, and guess what; It's not working. -User:DanTD (talk) 20:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed the problem. The S-line/[System] [direction]/[station] templates take from the [System] stations template. Epic Genius (talk) 23:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The colors are still wrong, the name of the line is still a redlink, and the opposite direction still shows up as broken. I expected it to be the same as all other City Terminal lines. I'll see if I can fix the latter problem myself, but I'm not holding my breath. -User:DanTD (talk) 23:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope. I still can't do anything with it. -User:DanTD (talk) 23:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Honestly, Dan, I really wouldn't rip my hair out over it. It's doesn't need to be done now, because, as you note, the line won't open for years, and frankly we may be using an entirely different template by then. I know you'd like to add it to the Grand Central article as a future service, but I don't think it should be, just as it's not included at the City Terminal Zone article. It's just too soon. It's not really a crystal ball situation because this has been under construction for years, and will at some point open, but between further schedule slips and not knowing what the future service patterns will be, it's just premature to worry about the s-line templates. oknazevad (talk) 00:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed the entire thing. You should try it now. If not, don't worry; ESA will not open in circa 8 years. Epic Genius (talk) 00:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Buzzing sound
What is the buzzing sound coming from the conductors cabin I sometimes hear when I am in the last car of the train? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I honestly have no idea. Ask someone at NYC Transit Forums; they will probably know more about that. Epic Genius (talk) 15:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Subway fares
Can someone update the articles about New York City transit fares and MetroCard (New York City)? Fare increases to $2.75 go into effect tomorrow, but I don't have much time to edit nowadays. Epic Genius (talk) 23:06, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Misidentified train
I just found out that somebody posted a train at Grand Central Terminal, which he misidentified as an M8. From what little I can see of the fleet number, it seems more like an M2. On another topic, can we start to gather more images of M6's and create a commons gallery for it? -User:DanTD (talk) 13:03, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a little trivia that train looks like as if it was based of the design of the R46. Doorknob747 00:28, 18 March 2015 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs)
 * That is certainly an M2    216.165.95.66 (talk) 18:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Today at Columbus circle subway station
What happened here des any one know what happened here that the polikce had to come and what it looks like iss that they shut down the entrancees to the columbus circle subway station, I thnik they took care about it by now but does anyone know what happended?

Doorknob747 (talk) 17:33, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope, and it's not that important. Epic Genius (talk) 14:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Doorknob, these sorts of questions would be better asked at a forum, not at a Wikipedia talk page, which are for coordinating improvements to the articles, not general discussion. See WP:NOTAFORUM. Feel free to ask about articles, or to make suggestions, but generally asking for real time answers to current events is not a good use of these pages. As for the actual events, smoke conditions on tracks due to litter happen all the time. It's why the MTA has vacuum trains, garbage trains, garbage cans and stiff fines for littering. In other words, it was Thursday. Not a big deal. oknazevad (talk) 18:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Missing stuff in the archive
Hey, I just noticed today that some discussion threads from around a year ago seem to have been lost, appearing neither in the archives for this page nor the archives for the unidentified locations subpage. Seems like the method of creating the subpage (moving the main project talk page to the subpage location and then copying over the more general threads replace the redirect) might have screwed up the archiving bot temporarily. It also makes edit history searches near impossible, unless someone realizes that the edit history for this page is now the edit history for the subpage. I was able to find the thread I had in mind here, but that's not the only thread missing from the archives, and the edit history of the page is all sorts of screwed up. Guess what I'm saying is the method created a need for a histmerge. Any admins watching here that can see about that and maybe do some archive fixing? oknazevad (talk) 18:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not an administrator, but I hope you don't mind if I move these messages in the proper archive page. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Mileage dispute at Mount Kisco Metro-North station
The article for Mount Kisco (Metro-North station) says that it's 36.5 miles from Grand Central Terminal, and the MTA's website says the same thing. However, as I and many other photographers have shown, an old New York Central Railroad sign claims the distance is 36.7 miles to Grand Central. So, was there some improvement project since the NYC period that cut down on that extra 0.2 miles or is/was there an error on the part of the MTA or NYC? ---User:DanTD (talk) 22:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Or maybe the MTA measured the distance to the beginning of the platforms while NYC measured it to 42nd Street, past the end of the platforms but at a station entrance. Epic Genius (talk) 13:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I did not think of that. While we're at it, isn't there a specific category for such signs in the commons? ---User:DanTD (talk) 20:33, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Is there? I don't spend too much time there. Epic Genius (talk) 00:08, 11 April 2015 (UTC)



what article should this be added too?
see full description of video of what it is about!Doorknob747 (talk) 03:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Wi-fi connected stations
According to this page, over 100 underground NYC Subway stations now have wi-fi. A list is available here, but it is too tedious to look through because it's a service-by-service listing. It would be appreciated if the corresponding articles could be updated accordingly. Epic Genius (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the list as is, without sorting and grouping. It includes less than 100 stations.


 * Vcohen (talk) 06:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This is an attempt of grouping. The total number is 47.


 * Vcohen (talk) 06:43, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This source seems to cover Manhattan only... Vcohen (talk) 06:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I saw that, and sadly it's true. Does this mean no stations in the outer boroughs have Wi-Fi? And why don't the stations near Penn Station have them? -User:DanTD (talk) 13:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We know that there are more than 100 stations with wi-fi, it means that this list is not complete. I hope they will fix it. Vcohen (talk) 13:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for compiling the list. It seems that they are doing outer borough stations right now. In fact, Graybar was supposed to install cell service in 29 Queens stations by the end of 2014. Epic Genius (talk) 14:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Wow! The answer is nearer than we thought it to be. The MTA site says: "The first two phases included stations in Midtown Manhattan and all underground stations in Queens with the exception of the 7 Main St terminal." How many underground stations are there in Queens? Vcohen (talk) 20:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you've got the three on the Archer Avenue Line, three others on the IRT Flushing Line, including Main Street, 21st Street – Queensbridge (IND 63rd Street Line), which makes seven, Long Island City – Court Square, and 21st Street on the IND Crosstown Line, that's nine, and 21 on the IND Queens Boulevard Line, so 30. -User:DanTD (talk) 02:12, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, this leaves the obvious question; when are they going to give the Brooklyn subway stations Wi-Fi? -User:DanTD (talk) 03:42, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe next year? Epic Genius (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a full list of Phase I and II stations. Epic Genius (talk) 16:14, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Right now, we are in phase 3. Brooklyn stations won't get Wi-Fi installed until phase 5, next year. Source Epic Genius (talk) 19:07, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a good idea to put links directly in articles. This way, if a link changes, we have to edit all these articles again. The template exists to support link updates by one edit. Vcohen (talk) 16:27, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, then we could put the refs within a #switch: function in Infobox NYCS, then fix the | wifi_custom_ref parameter in the individual articles to have an input like "ref 1", "ref 1,2", etc. Anyway, the new refs that are directly in the articles are for the installation of wi-fi. Epic Genius (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, "ref 1,2" etc. is approximately what I meant. I will try to change the template and articles. Vcohen (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * ...canceled. I see your new edits, you have caught it before me. Vcohen (talk) 19:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * HEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where is 67th AVENUE in queens? it has wifi!
 * Psst, right here. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, so anyway, the infoboxes of the 29 stations in Queens and 36 stations in Manhattan that have Wi-Fi are now marked with a |wifi=yes parameter. Epic Genius (talk) 15:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Problem discovered, 67Avenue has both Wifi and the station also added Verizon Wireless cellphone service. Same with columbus circle station.  separate parameter requested for wireless and wifi, terms are intermingling.  Doorknob747 (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Help with talk page redirect needed.
Can someone hear teach me how to redirect a talk page of a article to another articles talk page. I want to redirect Talk: NYCT subway to the talk page of the article that NYCT subway redirects to. Doorknob747 (talk) 03:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It is invoked using, but this is totally unnecessary. Epic Genius (talk) 12:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Wasn't the R46 armrest image notable?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken&oldid=656948986
 * I have to agree with BMK this time. Many trains have armrests. It would be more meaningful to take a picture of the whole car. Epic Genius (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * :D how about a video of a R160 R train that is entering and leaving the station? Also the audio clip of it announcing the stops?  I have it on my phone but did not upload it yet?  Should I or should I not?  Also, about that without edit, a admin approved it a few seconds after I created, and another admin wants to delete it?  Am I jinxed or are admins fooling around with me?Doorknob747 (talk) 20:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Was that on Wikimedia Commons? It has a different policy than Wikipedia does. Epic Genius (talk) 20:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * What on wikicomons? the redirect was in Wikipedia, and I have not uploaded audio or videos yet?Doorknob747 (talk) 20:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You know, you can use that picture as a reference link. It doesn't necessarily have to be posted. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Help in putting these images where they belong.
I do not know where to place these images that I uploaded. Also, I need help in adding categories to those images. More images and even a few videos to come! I do not mind if you guys rename image!

Those images are also uncategorized. Doorknob747 (talk) 05:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Just a question, is there a article on the new help point machines that the MTA is now installing on every station?
Is there a article on the new help point machines that the MTA is now installing on every station? Doorknob747 (talk) 04:56, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Video that Epicgenius told me was ok to upload on wikicommons
I was wondering if this video should or should not go on the R160 article or the R train article?Doorknob747 (talk) 04:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not a reliable source, so it can go in neither. However, you can place this video on Commons. Epic Genius (talk) 00:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Can it be placed on R160 as a R160 leaving a station in general terms (nothing to do with the R train?)? Doorknob747 (talk) 02:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * In the gallery, yes, but be advised against putting too many images in the gallery. Epic Genius (talk) 22:20, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

2014 ridership
To anyone who is interested, 2014 ridership is now online here. Epic Genius (talk) 12:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Fulton Center
Hello all. I have found and added two Street View spheres to the Fulton Center article. I'd like to give them different titles. As far as I see, they represent two different floors/levels of the Center, but I don't know their correct names. Vcohen (talk) 10:25, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Pic 1 is the second basement level, Pic 2 is the first level directly under the ground. Epic Genius (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is it possible to shorten these names? Vcohen (talk) 16:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of, no. The MTA doesn't give any official level numbers for these floors.Epic Genius (talk) 12:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. I hope my edit is correct. Vcohen (talk) 13:29, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is correct. Epic Genius (talk) 13:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

One more. Is it the same as one of the previous two? Vcohen (talk) 13:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

WTC PATH station
Ladies and gentlemen, what does this image mean? Is the new Newark-bound platform of the WTC PATH station already in use? Vcohen (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is. This is what the first new PATH station platform looks like. This is probably an existing platform, and it seems to be so, since I recognize it from when I rode the PATH a couple years ago. Epic Genius (talk) 13:49, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Your link shows the new Hoboken-bound platform, we have no images of it. Do you want to say I have brought an image of the old station, same as here? Vcohen (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I mean. This image, File:WTC PATH Newark platform vc.jpg, is the old platform. Epic Genius (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If I show you the whole set, is that still true? Vcohen (talk) 17:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are demolishing part of the temporary station right now, so these walls are put up. Epic Genius (talk) 18:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand, thank you. Vcohen (talk) 18:47, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

There should be a box for to-do list like other projects have.
I do not see one here on this talk page. Also, a to do list is a good way of seeing where and what this wikiproject members are mostly working on. Doorknob747 (talk) 13:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * A good example of the box. :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga   Doorknob747 (talk) 13:46, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I'm thinking about improving Second Avenue Subway, Fulton Center, and East Side Access. However, this is a pretty small wikiproject, Maybe WP:NYC will be more receptive to this. Epic Genius (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I can think of some tasks we can add for the To-Do list. If it's made, shouldn't we add the photo request sub-pages to it? -User:DanTD (talk) 04:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, photo requests should be added. Epic Genius (talk) 00:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Weird? All stations and some tunnels have wifi?
Actually I discovered that almost ant station I go to has WiFi and some of the tunnels have wifi too. The only thing is it, comes up on the phone as protected with password. The wifi names are usually: (something)TransitSurveyWifi. I think that this was put in place before the public WiFi initiative was put in place because, 67Ave when it did not have public wifi, did show the the private wifi. I think that this wifi is for transit workers. Doorknob747 (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Because Transit Wireless started installing the Wi-Fi years ago, and it's now in a third of all underground stations. Epic Genius (talk) 20:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Cortlandt Street (1)
A source claims that "The construction of the station, which is to cost about $101 million, is expected to begin in mid-May." Till today the station has not been under construction? Vcohen (talk) 09:44, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it has, but just the tunnel structure and the platforms. As of today, the platform is only a crude work space because of all the other WTC construction above the station's location. The actual station finishes, including tiles, bathrooms, turnstiles, stairs, elevators, etc. are to be built starting in mid-May. Epic Genius (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Vcohen (talk) 15:20, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Bus route lists for former companies
All the bus route lists for former bus companies that were acquired by MTA need to be wikified. And the articles that don't have bus route lists (like the New York City Omnibus Corporation) need them. Is there anyone here willing to work on these? -User:DanTD (talk) 17:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Chambers Street - WTC (ACE)


Help me please. This map shows the station as two separate platforms, with two tracks each. So, where have these videos been filmed from? Here at about 1:27 I see two platforms and four tracks, and here at about 0:40 I see three tracks together visible from one platform. What is the real layout of the station? Vcohen (talk) 19:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * What the videos don't show is that the E train platform ends much farther south than the A and C train platform. It is a very unusual layout. Right at the south end of the A and C train platform is the north end of the E train platform. The A and C train tracks descend within two car lengths of track. There is about another two car lengths of track before a six-car long mezzanine ramps down to the E train platform level on the west side. That mezzanine is fenced off, but at the south end of the island platform, the platform-level mezzanine connects to the island platform outside of fare control. I hope this helps. Epic Genius (talk) 21:17, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * To clarify, your second linked video shows the uptown side of the A and C train platform. The E train tracks are in front of the camera here. Your first linked video shows the southern end of the A and C train platform, next to the northern end of the E train platform. The platforms are greatly staggered, as in 42nd Street-PABT. Epic Genius (talk) 02:02, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Is my diagram correct? (The middle part is meant to be much shorter than the other two, but my templates do not allow me to show that.) Vcohen (talk) 11:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. Epic Genius (talk) 18:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Another question: which platforms are staggered in 42nd Street - PABT? Vcohen (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2015 (UTC)




 * It's staggered the other way. (See diagram at left.) That station also contains a very short section where the two platforms are adjacent, but for the most part, most of the station has one platform and four tracks. Epic Genius (talk) 23:47, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. So, are all the tracks visible from both platforms all the way? Vcohen (talk) 18:19, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Both northbound tracks are visible from the southbound platform, but only the southbound express track is visible from the northbound platform. This is because of the track to the now-demolished lower level. Epic Genius (talk) 23:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * How can a track conceal another track? Are there walls between the tracks? Vcohen (talk) 07:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, the track to the lower level is surrounded by walls. See the bottom of the page here. Epic Genius (talk) 13:02, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But in the second photo from the bottom I clearly see three tracks... Vcohen (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That is the view from the southbound platform. The photo at the bottom was taken from the northbound platform. Epic Genius (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops... At the bottom I see two. But I think when a train passes on the third track, it is visible as well, at least the upper half of it. Vcohen (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The walls around the former southbound lower level track create partial barriers between the southbound local and southbound express tracks. From experience, I can say that when a train passes on the southbound local track, you can barely make out the top of the train. This is a very interesting track layout, indeed. Epic Genius (talk) 19:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Does anyone see a subway entrance?


I just uploaded this image from Flickr to Commons. I know this location exactly, and I think there's a subway entrance on the left, but in the lack of a Commons NYC Public Transportation wikiproject, I can't be sure if it should be categorized in Commons:Category:New York City Subway entrances in Brooklyn. Epic Genius (talk) 13:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the edge of the stairs is just off to the left of the picture. -User:DanTD (talk) 13:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Since the entrance is there, I have added the category. Epic Genius (talk) 14:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Good for you, and you probably know this already, but for those who don't, here's the station that entrance is for. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Templates for deletion
Please see Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_8 for a relebant discussion of templates for deletion. The discussion is about the BS-map for the C, D, and 4 trains. Epic Genius (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move
Talk:DeKalb Avenue (BMT Fourth Avenue Line). Vcohen (talk) 08:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

TfM for Template:NYCS-bull-small
Just a note to anyone here interested that NYCS-bull-small has been nominated for merging with Rail-interchange; the merge discussion is here. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 08:07, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

New mural at 191 Street
Ladies and gentlemen, what does it mean? Is New York not a rollercoaster anymore? Vcohen (talk) 12:32, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Here is an explanation: 1 2. But where is the previous artwork (apart from the fact that it's painted over)? Vcohen (talk) 19:44, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by where is the previous artwork (apart from the fact that it's painted over)? When it was painted over, the original painting was destroyed. Epic Genius (talk) ± 02:00, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The sources I could find don't even mention the old artwork, as if it did not exist at all. What happened to it? Did anybody decide to destroy it? Vcohen (talk) 09:34, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It was vandalized with graffiti. Eventually, it was painted over. Your second source mentions this original artwork. Epic Genius (talk) ± 12:52, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. Sorry for my inattention. Vcohen (talk) 13:39, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Big error on NYCSubway
I found a blatantly obvious incorrect location on NYCSubway.org, which I already addressed to them. There's a 1968 image that claims to be at the 57th Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line) station, but is clearly elevated. I just thought I'd give everybody here the heads up on this, and see if they can identify the real location. BTW, is there any chance this message would've been better suited for the Unidentified Locations talk page? -User:DanTD (talk) 14:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Assuming it is a station of the West End Line, it might be one of these (and I don't think we have enough data to choose one of them):


 * Vcohen (talk) 16:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Notice the telegraph wires at the top right corner of this photo. Are there any clues to where that is? I have no idea myself. Epic Genius (talk) 02:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Those are TV antennas. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:09, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, so that can be a clue. Epic Genius (talk) 18:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project
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Metro-North Harlem and Hudson Line templates
What the hell is up with the line templates for the Harlem Line and Hudson Line? --Somebody seems to have replaced all the icons and broke them to pieces, messing up the infoboxes in the process. My efforts to revert the previous fixes (all of which were AGF) made things even worse! -User:DanTD (talk) 20:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * UPDATE - Looks like I have to include the New Haven Line too. -User:DanTD (talk) 20:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * UPDATE #2 - And now it's the LIRR too. Check out the Port Washington Branch. Maybe we should take this to WPTrains. -User:DanTD (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * An edit to BSrow by, which has now undone, broke the whole layout (made some css visible). Doesn't fix icons though. I see Jc86035 has been active on a bunch of related templates recently, possibly a related change also broke that issue. DMacks (talk) 21:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the icons? I'm not seeing it. Alakzi (talk) 21:20, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, DanTD mentioned something about icons, and I didn't see any icons on Harlem Line despite a major layout mess becoming not-a-mess, so I assumed something was still broken:) is something still broken?. DMacks (talk) 21:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, Dan, when you see templates break but no changes having been made to them recently, it helps to check related changes; there's a link on the sidebar. Alakzi (talk) 21:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I see you fixed them anyhow, and I was going to send you a thanks message after I informed some other users that you had done so. But now that you're here, I'm going to thank you for them on this board. -User:DanTD (talk) 22:01, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * SMirC-facepalm.svg Sorry about that, guys! Good thing it's fixed now. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 03:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted. As mad as I was about it, I still WP:AGF all along. -User:DanTD (talk) 01:38, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

South Ferry loops
(Posting here in case no one has watchlisted the article talk page.) The South Ferry – Whitehall Street (New York City Subway) article, in § Inner platform and the station layout table, suggests that the inner loop track is still used by terminating trains on weekends, but the article's infobox and Vcohen's diagram in List of New York City Subway terminals § IRT suggest that the inner track is closed. Is the track open or has it been closed? Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 14:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding my error. I have corrected it here. Vcohen (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Comrades, check my edit please. Vcohen (talk) 09:27, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That seems about right. Thank you for your correction, Vcohen. Epic Genius (talk) 12:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

New Rochelle (Metro-North station)
The New Rochelle (Metro-North station) has frequently been getting some decent images, but they're often deleted on the grounds of copyright violations. Even if they're all true, somebody has to add free ones that have been similar to those that were deleted. -User:DanTD (talk) 04:14, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Route diagrams task force
I was thinking about starting a task force for maintaining the BS-map route diagrams that fall under the category New York City Subway line templates. could also be expanded with more service route maps. Epic Genius (talk) 20:44, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Back to identifying cars
Please tell me I'm right about this car being an R46. -User:DanTD (talk) 04:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a R46. R68/A doesn't look like that, and to my knowledge, neither does R44. Epic Genius (talk) 14:39, 5 August 2015 (UTC)



Diagrams on List of New York City Subway terminals
(Pinging Vcohen, Epicgenius, Useddenim and Lost on Belmont.) If anyone here is interested and has time, could you please help with converting the SL diagram templates from List of New York City Subway terminals into BSicon diagrams (I'm working on it currently at User:Jc86035/sandbox)? Thanks, Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 14:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

(Also, should the diagrams use the overlaid fades or just regular arrows ? Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 15:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC))
 * General practice is to use regular arrows for continuation and the others for track direction. I think in most cases you've outlined, regular arrows are appropriate. Lost on Belmont 3200N1000W (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, arrows should be used for continuations. Fades  should only be used if there's an interruption on the map, but the tracks with the fades are connected. Epic Genius (talk) 03:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

A strange page
Comrades, is this an article or a disambiguation page? We already have articles about both stations. Why are all these descriptions and explanations on the page? Vcohen (talk) 18:59, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried to tag it as a disambiguation page. ArnoldReinhold disagrees, saying that since the AirTrain LaGuardia is almost definitely going to be built, the explanations of all stations in the area, whether proposed or existing, should be on one page. Right now, it's a stub. Epic Genius (talk) 03:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but the AirTrain LaGuardia has its own article too. What is the entity that requires an additional article? Vcohen (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I had mentioned this isn't how things are done here because subway stations are considered separate from other railroad stations. I should've cited a false effort to merge 34th Street - Penn Station (IRT Broadway - Seventh Avenue Line) and 34th Street - Penn Station (IND Eighth Avenue Line) into Pennsylvania Station (New York City) from a few years ago. -User:DanTD (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * According to the Andrew Cuomo announcemet of $450M plan to build AirTrain connecting LaGuardia Airport to the subway, the train is going to the Mets – Willets Point subway station from where you could connect to the Mets – Willets Point (LIRR station). This seems very clear to me. No need to merge. Secondarywaltz (talk) 14:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Even if the AirTrain was built, mention of the station could be on the respective article for the subway and LIRR stations. The AirTrain station would fail WP:STATION. Epic Genius (talk) 00:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Per our guideline WP:Broad-concept article: "A term with many related meanings should be presented as an article on the broadest understanding of the term, rather than as a disambiguation page merely listing variations on that meaning." How are our readers better served with a disambiguation page than with a short article describing the future complex of three stations with links to more detailed articles on each? Also here is a quote from the governor's recent announcement of the Laguardia Airport rebuild: "As part of his 2015 Opportunity Agenda, Governor Cuomo proposed creating an AirTrain option that directly connects LaGuardia to the New York City subway and Long Island Rail Road at Mets-Willets Point Station." Clearly planners at least are envisioning the complex as eventually functioning as a unified station.--agr (talk) 03:37, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a weird case, but the complex could be described with just two articles. For example, in Jamaica (LIRR station) and Sutphin Boulevard – Archer Avenue – JFK Airport (Archer Avenue Lines), in which the former describes the AirTrain JFK's station as well. Epic Genius (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * In the case of Jamaica, the LIRR station is clearly the primary topic, a major hub. Indeed I would argue that the article name should be changed to Jamaica Station, since it covers more than the LIRR facility, similar to Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station (New York), both of which have separate articles for their subway stations. In the case of Mets – Willets Point, it's not so clear which is primary. I suppose you could argue that the subway station is primary, since the LIRR station is only open for events. But there is a well sourced plan to use both stations as the terminus for a major new service. Covering that in the subway station article seems awkward since the configuration of the two stations (800 feet apart) is important.  I think the short article I suggested would be better. Maybe it should not have been labeled a stub as it does not need to be expanded until there is more sourced material on the combined station available. But rolling all that into the subway article would still be better than a disambiguation page, which violates our guidelines and doesn't serve our readers well at all.--agr (talk) 13:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that an article should be created about the hub, but only when the plans become official. However, as the hub is not official yet, and plans for AirTrain LGA haven't even been finalized, it should not have its own article yet, per WP:CRYSTAL. I say that instead, we add a mention of AirTrain LGA into both the existing subway and LIRR articles. Epic Genius (talk) 14:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm no sure what you mean by "becomes official." Two announcements by the Governor of the state are not enough? In any case, the criteria on Wikipedia (WP:Notability, WP:STATION, WP:CRYSTAL) is coverage in reliable secondary sources and this proposal has that. And, of course, two of the three stations that would make up the hub already exist. We cover major transportation proposals at the formal proposal stage. We even have a Category:Cancelled highway projects in the United States with many entries. I would note that it is at the proposal stage when public interest in a project often peaks, since then there is still time for public input that could alter, improve or even halt a project. In this particular case, I think no one questions the need for a rail link to LGA, but the controversy around the current proposal in large measure hinges on the practicality of the Mets – Willets Point terminus. While Wikipedia should not offer opinions, covering the known facts about the proposed terminus is helpful to our readers in understanding the debate. Burying the information in two articles with a disambiguation page is not helpful and goes against our guidelines.--agr (talk) 14:41, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Red globe lamps
Comrades, do we have a more actual shot of red globe lamps for the New York City Subway article? The present one is too much outdated, it shows red lamps that are currently green, and a brown M bullet that is currently orange. Vcohen (talk) 10:37, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I forget where I read this, but I thought the red lamps were supposed to be for exits. -User:DanTD (talk) 12:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Green means entrance that is open 24/7. Red means all the other options: part-time entrance or exit-only. Vcohen (talk) 13:10, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a red lamp entrance at Times Square and 43rd Street. Maybe next time I go there, I'll take a shot. Epic Genius (talk) 03:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:New York City Public Transportation articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 18:15, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't wait. I've got a few articles I tagged as needing expert attention that I'd like to see show up on that list. -User:DanTD (talk) 19:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Substation images
Not knowing where to address the issue, I learned through Google Street View that the former IRT Substation 14 still exists along West 96th Street between Broadway and West End Avenue. If I don't capture it this mid-September (which is becoming more than likely the month I'm going to be in the NYC-Tri State Area), would anybody else be willing to capture it, and maybe a few others? There are a few 1907-published diagrams of that old station, but I'd like something contemporary I can add to a future category. -User:DanTD (talk) 19:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can post this at WT:NYC, as maybe $3/4$ of the active users in this WikiProject can't easily take pictures of substations in NYC. Epic Genius (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

200 images of Smith-9th Streets station!!!
Well, the day has finally come. I just found out that in spite of our efforts to split off image categories for Smith–Ninth Streets (IND Culver Line), there are now 200 images in that commons gallery alone. I mentioned in the unidentified images talk page that I wanted to split off a category for the bridge, and now I realize I have to do it now, before I take my road trip to NYC next weekend. I have no intentions of giving that category a generic name like "Ninth Street Bridge," so before I go, should I call the new category "Ninth Street Gowanus Canal Bridge," or "Ninth Street Bridge (Gowanus Canal)?" -User:DanTD (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "Ninth Street Bridge (Brooklyn)"? Vcohen (talk) 17:17, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting choice. Let me take that one into consideration too. -User:DanTD (talk) 02:07, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Many are excellent but not very useful official MTA photos about a reopening day ceremony. They, too could go in a subcat. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:32, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that and the reconstruction, but I've already created one for the bridge. I just thought I could add a "Road-rail bridges" category to it, or something similar. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:35, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

BMT predecessor cat
Has anybody here seen my Category:Predecessors of the Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit Corporation yet? I'm still considering a future navbox anyhow, though. -User:DanTD (talk) 06:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a lot of pages. Also, that's cool. Are you also planning to make an article about IRT predecessors? Epic Genius (talk) 03:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If I find enough of them, maybe. I saw so many that were in the regular BMT cat, I had to sort them out. What I'd still like to see as far as the IRT goes is an article on the Long Island Consolidated Electrical Companies, that joint LIRR/IRT holding company for trolleys. -User:DanTD (talk) 05:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you could create a IRT predecessor category, it would be much appreciated as well. Epic Genius (talk) 20:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly, there are very few that have articles. I could combine predecessors and subsidiaries in one category if you'd like. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:07, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be good. Epic Genius (talk) 02:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Ventilation
Hello all,

This is a sentence from the 34th Street – Hudson Yards (IRT Flushing Line) article: "The installation of air-cooling systems means that the station will have ventilation towers instead of the sidewalk grates seen in most New York City subway stations." However, the system has other deep stations, such as 190th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) or Clark Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line). How are they ventilated? Vcohen (talk) 18:15, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There are multiple buildings along the site that circulate air from the tunnels to street level and vice versa. See 7 Subway Extension. As for the air cooling stations, I think there are probably air conditioners installed on the station ceilings. Epic Genius (talk) 02:02, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. So, the current comparison of new deep stations and old stations with sidewalk grates is not correct. It would be more appropriate to compare new deep stations and old deep stations. Vcohen (talk) 13:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That is correct, but I don't know very well how older deep stations are ventilated. Epic Genius (talk) 15:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. It's a pity. Vcohen (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I suppose it must be like [[Media:York_tower_Rutgers_tunnel_jeh.JPG|this]]. There are ventilation towers, but unfortunately no air conditioning, in the deeper stations. Epic Genius (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * So, "the installation of air-cooling systems" does not mean "that the station will have ventilation towers," but the station's depth itself does. Vcohen (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the station's depth is a major factor. However, since the air conditioning emits lots of heat, vent towers help ciculate the air better. Epic Genius (talk) 01:25, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyway, sidewalk grates should not be mentioned here, because this station is of another type. Vcohen (talk) 07:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've removed that part just now. Epic Genius (talk) 14:43, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank You!.jpg Vcohen (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

1860 NYC area railroad map
Interesting source for this wiki coming your way. Has anyone else seen this? -User:DanTD (talk) 23:34, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting indeed. Where do you want to add this, ? Epic Genius (talk) 02:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmnn, so many to choose from. You've got the two Hunters Point stations that could be used for Long Island City station, Hunterspoint Avenue, the LIRR Main Line, the Flushing and North Side, and perhaps the SSRLI. You've got a whole bunch of stations that could be used for the New York and Harlem Railroad. If the Hudson River Railroad wasn't a redirect to NYC, you could use it there. This also gives us some consideration to rewrite East New York (LIRR station). There's good stuff for Northern New Jersey (, you may find this useful), and I even see the evidence of the former northern terminus of the Staten Island Railway on this map. -User:DanTD (talk) 02:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess the map could also be placed on an article like List of New York railroads or Railroad terminals serving New York City. The latter also has a map of NYC railroads in 1900, so even better. Epic Genius (talk) 17:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, speaking of Railroad terminals serving New York City, is there any evidence that 155th Street (IRT Ninth Avenue Line) might've had dual use as an Old Put station, the way Sedgwick Avenue (IRT Ninth Avenue Line) was? I also thought of another use for this; the Lists of Ferries along the Hudson River, East River and if available, the Harlem River. -User:DanTD (talk) 20:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Another good use would be at the Long Island Rail Road article. I see some ancient LIRR lines here. Epic Genius (talk) 20:35, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps articles need merging
I propose that The Flushing Line and 7 (New York City Subway) articles be merged, with the superior detailed map in one be used along with the simpler geographic map in the other. Otherwise, the effort to improve the overall knowledge about the IRT line becomes more difficult(deciding which article gets what)Raryel (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I respectfully oppose this proposal. The service and trackage have vastly different histories despite being concurrent. The Flushing Line article describes the tracks' service history and construction history, while the 7 train article describes its own service history and rolling stock history. It's like BMT Canarsie Line and L (New York City Subway service), or BMT Franklin Avenue Line and Franklin Avenue Shuttle. Epic Genius (talk) 22:17, 13 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Agree with Epic on this. While presently the Flushing Line only carries the 7 train and the 7 train uses no other line than the Flushing Line, that has not always been the case, as the Flushing Line has had other services on it over the years, such as the connection to the Second Avenue Elevated via the Queensborough Bridge. The two are not fully synonymous. oknazevad (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Timetables
I've begun adding timetables of the first and last trains to part-time services (e.g. B, C, 42nd St Shuttle). Epic Genius (talk) 00:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Doesn't that violate WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:NOTTIMETABLE? Doesn't the schedules change frequently? Are we going to keep updating even if the scheduled departure/arrival times are changed by just one minute? Do we mention the scheduled arrival times for every single station in the system? How about when the first Q trains that run express in Manhattan leave their terminal or something like that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.77.73 (talk) 00:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * No, it doesn't really violate WP:NTT because it's not a full timetable, just a listing of first and last trains. I know Wikipedia isn't a travel guide, but anyway, people may want to know this information if they're interested. If the times change by a minute, we could update them, or we can leave them as it unless the service change is significant.Anyway, it's just a test, so let's see what others think first. Epic Genius (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I see one problem. Every time the MTA updates its timetables, we have to check and update our articles accordingly. Does anybody remember in which articles and what exactly we are quoting from the timetables? Vcohen (talk) 09:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Too difficult to maintain, as it's too likely to change frequently, and the information is more easily and accurately available from a primary source (the MTA website). That combination is exactly what WP:NTT is intended to prevent. Even a partial timetable is still a timetable. Sorry, Epic, but it does violate NTT and should be removed. oknazevad (talk) 10:49, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I see now. I hadn't noticed that every service's article already has a link to the timetable at the bottom. Epic Genius (talk) 12:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion
A move discussion is taking place at Talk:South_Ferry_–_Whitehall_Street_(New_York_City_Subway). Epic Genius (talk) 19:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

7 Subway Extension
Here are two similar threads, so I've grouped them similarly. Epic Genius (talk) 03:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Someone needs to fix File:NYCS map 7.svg
I appreciate AahdTahar's work in updating this map. However, there's an unsightly white rectangle that doesn't appear in any other map (like File:NYCS map 6.svg). Is someone able to fix it? Epic Genius (talk) 03:01, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed the rectangle. DMacks (talk) 15:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. However, is it possible to remove the text "Times Square" as well? It looks unusual there, just floating like that. There is also a [[Media:NYCS map blank.svg|blank template]] available. Epic Genius (talk) 16:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, the square had been covering it. So now I removed the text as well. DMacks (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for these revisions. I really appreciate it. Epic Genius (talk) 20:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that's the type of glitch I got when I was first updating the map. Removing Times Square was a pain since it was directly over the river so I had to redraw the whole entire thing, and no matter how much I tried, It would always come out like that. Aahd Tahar
 * Fixed a refactored comment. 100.12.75.65 (talk) 04:54, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

The File:NYCS map M.svg image needs updating too, as Essex Street is now a terminal since around last summer. Roadrunner3000 (talk) 20:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I mentioned it above, but apparently that thread has gone stale. Epic Genius (talk) 22:02, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Also, someone with graphic design experience and not too much homework should probably update File:NYC subway-4D.svg as well. (Pinging the map's creator, @.) Epic Genius (talk) 00:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, already done by @CountZ. Man, was that quick! Epic Genius (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Pre-emptive article updates
Also, I preemptively updated IRT Flushing Line and 7 (New York City Subway service). Epic Genius (talk) 03:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * One question; Once the station does open, will all the images in the gallery be moved to construction galleries? -User:DanTD (talk) 17:44, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. Do you want to move the December 21, 2013, images to a "ceremony" gallery as well? Epic Genius (talk) 18:23, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I won't be able to do anything. I'm going to spend the whole weekend driving up to NYC. -User:DanTD (talk) 19:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool. I just drove up here after a vacation in Florida, so maybe I could reorganize the galleries myself if I have time. Epic Genius (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Incline elevators
While talking about the opening of the new station, incline elevators were actively mentioned as a feature causing to delays. Now, when the station is open, where can I see them? Among all these photos (this gallery has already been partially uploaded to commons, this one has not yet) is there at least one image of an incline elevator? Vcohen (talk) 12:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow. There's another photo album? (FWIW, I'm pretty sure I added the [entirety of the first gallery.) I'm probably drop by on Wednesday or something, since it's near where I need to go that day, anyway. [[User:Epicgenius|Epic Genius]] (talk) 22:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know why, but there are some images that are present on flickr and absent on commons, for example this one. Also, there is another flickr user that has uploaded images with a suitable license, although without grouping them in an album. Vcohen (talk) 09:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't upload them right now because my browser is blocking tools.wmflabs.com, which is apparently unsafe to visit at this time. Epic Genius (talk) 13:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC) Actually, now I can upload them by using another browser. Apparently, the HTTPS certificate expired. Epic Genius (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ There is now a picture of the incline elevators in the station. Epic Genius (talk) 22:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Excuse me, where is this object located? Is it above ground? Vcohen (talk) 12:20, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it is in the upper mezzanine. Epic Genius (talk) 12:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Article draft
I have created a new article draft for the Program for Action article. Any help is appreciated. Epic Genius (talk) 17:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That draft is now in mainspace. Does anyone have any proposed improvements to it? Epic Genius (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

New category
Category:Pages using New York City Subway service templates is now in use, for templates that use any NYCS service templates. Epic Genius (talk) 00:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Categories for renaming discussion
Please see here. I'm proposing to rename Category:New York City Subway stations in Queens, New York. Epic Genius (talk) 12:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Maps in need of updating
File:NYCS map J.svg needs updating. It no longer ends at Chambers Street. File:NYCS map M.svg now also ends at Essex Street. The current official map reflects this. Epic Genius (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd love to read that, but my STUPID F%@#!ING COMPUTER took away my ability to load new PDF files!! -User:DanTD (talk)  19:43, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you able to download Adobe Acrobat? Epic Genius (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I am now. I had to put this POS on System Restore. Let's hope all the other things that I lost the ability to do this weekend have returned. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly, it has no impact on other irrelevant programs. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My condolences to you for your computer's troubles. I think I should ask WikiProject Maps to fix this. Epic Genius (talk) 01:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have posted to WT:MAPS now. Epic Genius (talk) 01:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've taken liberty of updating the M map for you. If you can post this updated map onto the page, it would be appreciated.72.80.198.89 (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * @72.80.198.89: The link doesn't seem to work. Could you kindly post it again? Thanks. Epic Genius (talk) 14:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg

Image progress report; September 2015
I'm taking a break from my vacation to let everybody know that before this month is over, no station articles on the BMT Canarsie Line or BMT Sea Beach Line will be without a gallery. And those that have galleries will be expanded. In the Bronx, three more galleries will be expanded; Morrison Avenue - Soundview (IRT Pelham Line), Pelham Parkway (IRT Dyre Avenue Line) and Baychester Avenue (IRT Dyre Avenue Line) will be expanded. In Queens, I've got new images for Elmhurst Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line), although not necessarily the ones I was looking for, and I've got some new stuff for New Rochelle (Metro-North station) as well as some non-railroad related sites in New Rochelle. I also have an old synagogue in Soundview, Bronx that's on the National Register of Historic Places which is now a church. Jim Henderson should know which one I'm talking about. All I need to do is work from a computer that doesn't prevent me from sorting out images in groups. -User:DanTD (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatley, due to a family member who believed that reformatting SD cards was the solution to cameras that suddenly decide not to read them, I'm afraid many of the images I was promising (and then some) will not be added this fall. -User:DanTD (talk) 02:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks to some tips on the WP:NRHP talk page, I got the chance to restore much of what I lost. It's not perfect, but I got some really good stuff. And most of what I'm going to post after this will be LIRR stations, but I may not be able to add everything for another month and a half due to upcoming surgery on my hand. -User:DanTD (talk)  23:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Dead nycsubway.org links
There are many links on nycsubway.org that are going dead, as the website is merging all its content onto pages about the lines (e.g. this page for Van Cortlandt Park – 242nd Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) is deleted, but you can still find the station description here). What should we do about the nycsubway.org links? Epic Genius (talk) 23:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * They have some that were probably moved. There's a section that contains links to more images, we could search for the replacement in one of those. ---User:DanTD (talk) 23:58, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If the stations' articles were moved, I couldn't find them other than on the main article about the lines. Anyway, I've fixed six of the links. Let's wait and see what happens. Epic Genius (talk) 00:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * nycsubway.org seems to be almost completed in merging the stations' articles with the lines' articles. They did it unscrupulously, too, so now the Franklin Avenue Shuttle pages are merged with the Brighton Line page. epic genius (talk) 18:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of New York City transit fares for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article New York City transit fares is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/New York City transit fares until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. epic genius (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Cortlandt Street (IRT) on youtube
Here are several updates from the Cortlandt Street (IRT) construction: 9.10.15, 9.18.15, 10.16.15. Maybe somebody could use them in the article. Vcohen (talk) 19:01, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I put them in the "external media" box. epic genius (talk) 12:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Delancey Street – Essex Street (New York City Subway) external links
I am thinking of moving the trolley links in "External links" section to the dedicated article about the terminal, at Lowline (park). What do other editors think of this? epic genius (talk) 16:30, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that the link to the BBC site describes the future park and therefore is more appropriate in the Lowline article, while the other two links may remain in both articles. Vcohen (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I've removed the BBC site link. And actually, of the two remaining links, both of them were the same Abandoned Station link, so I removed one. epic genius (talk) 20:53, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Trying to have the Staten Island Railway become an A class article
I have helped make the Staten Island Railway article into a good article. Could someone help assess the article to help it become A class status. From my talk page

The article Staten Island Railway you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Staten Island Railway for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Epic Genius (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for helping! I appreciate it. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, what would it take to have the article become A class? --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:27, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * According to this, For WikiProjects without a formal A-Class review process, the proposal to promote to A-Class should be made on the article's talk page. To be granted, the proposal should be supported by two uninvolved editors, with no significant opposes. The review should also be noted on the project's discussion page. So open up a discussion at Talk:Staten Island Railway and then ask for consensus. You may also want to notify WP:NYCPT.(Also, in case you're wondering, it may need a little more work to promote to FA-class. By "little" I mean a little more than a little.) Epic Genius (talk) 19:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: Formatted the above request a little, to clarify where these comments originally came from. epic genius (talk) 13:44, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Staten Island Trolleys
Is anybody going to work on any Staten Island-related trolley articles? Aside from the List of streetcar lines in Staten Island and the proposed Staten Island light rail, I don't see too much of anything there. -User:DanTD (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Abandoned South Bronx railway line
Apparently there's an abandoned South Bronx railway line running from Melrose Avenue/163rd Street to Southern Boulevard/141st Street. . Anyone know what the name of this spur is? epic genius (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * That's the Port Morris Branch of the Spuyten Duyvil and Port Morris Railroad. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 15:23, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, Pi.1415926535. I will add the info to the article. epic genius (talk) 15:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * In younger years I thought of going down into the trackbed for better pictures but fencing has improved and my agility has declined since then. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:45, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, Jim, I think your few pictures of the tracks are good enough for now. Later, though, the line may be turned into a park or a subway line. So, for any other prospective explorers, time is running out... epic genius (talk) 23:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Penn Station Access, and other recent edits
A new user named Michael0Latham has just started adding some new details to many Metro-North stations, but one in particular is supposed to be for the proposed Penn Station Access project at New Rochelle (Metro-North station), which currently has the western terminus at Grand Central, just like the existing New Haven Line. Perhaps we should add a new S-Line for that project and a better name. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Most of his edits are unproductive at best, and outright false at worst. Penn Station Access is years off, with service patterns totally unknown, and does not belong in infoboxes yet. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Neither Penn Station Access nor West Side Access are planned for the near future, until East Side Access is complete. epic genius (talk) 15:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

New York City transit fares
Based on how the AfD is going, it does not look like the article will be deleted, so after it closes, would anyone object to me removing the entire Current fares section? It seems that is the biggest reason why the articled was nominated as it totally violates WP:NOTGUIDE and even without it, the article would still be good. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to lie to you, I don't like the idea. If we do that, we could just as easily eliminate the tolls on the bridges. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

September 2015 Image Progress follow-up
My wrist is still broken, but I'm going to give you people some details about my activities during the September 2015 photographic rampage, specifically on the Long Island Rail Road. The day after the WikiWednesday, I got a pic of the former Corona (LIRR station), although I almost lost the chance to get it, then I tried to get some extra pics of Valley Stream (LIRR station) and eventually got the former Hagerman (LIRR station), although I mistakenly took one of the grade crossing west of there. The next day, I snapped all pics of the stations on the North Fork, and some others nearby. The day of my east end rampage, I got the second freight house at the former Calverton (LIRR station), then snapped some additional Railroad Museum of Long Island pics near Riverhead (LIRR station). I later got not one but three former produce storage facilities at Mattituck (LIRR station) and expanded Greenport (LIRR station) On the way back from the Orient Pont ferry port (no, I didn't take a ferry), I was able to build a massive gallery for Southold (LIRR station), but then I worked my way west through the sites of more former stations such as Peconic (LIRR station), barely captured Cutchogue (LIRR station) (I actually thought a nearby restaurant might've been part of it, for some reason), luckily snagged Laurel (LIRR station), which I almost thought was an error of my attempt to seek Jamesport (LIRR station), and finally grabbed the site of Aquebogue (LIRR station). The same day, I drove around to the South Fork, and was lucky enough to get Water Mill (LIRR station) and finally made a gallery for Bridgehampton (LIRR station) along with the site of the former junction with the Sag Harbor Branch. I know User:Mitchazenia took one of Bridgehampton around the same time he took some of Quogue (LIRR station), Amagansett (LIRR station) and others, but he never posted it here. The commons gallery is open to you, Adam. The day after this, I snagged some pics of the vicinity of the former Eastport (LIRR station) but never got one of the station house. I was able to get an extra one of the Speonk Trackside Café, though. The next day, I got a few from the former Holbrook (LIRR station), Holtsville (LIRR station) as well as Manorville (LIRR station) after finding one pic of what I thought was Manorville Station turned out to be a long-standing private home. I even got the chance to expand Stony Brook (LIRR station). The day I finally took a bunch of pictures of Carle Place (LIRR station), thus officially rendering all active LIRR stations fully illustrated. What I also wanted to do was take a train from Garden City Station and get some pics of Stewart Manor (LIRR station) for it's pedestrian tunnel, then walk back to Nassau Boulevard (LIRR station) for it's brick parking lot, then take the train to Jamaica, and catch a J train to Richmond Hill where I could catch some ground-level views of the former station, as well as the RKO Keith's Theater. Unfortunately, Garden City station is where I ended up breaking my wrist... all because my damn ticket fell out of my pocket!!! Needless to say, those images of Nassau Boulevard, Stewart Manor, and Richmond Hill stations are still needed, not to mention former stations like Mill Neck (LIRR station) and Shinnecock Hills (LIRR station). I don't know if anybody here can capture them, but I know I won't be able to for at least several months. But hey, at least I was able to fully illustrate all the active LIRR stations. -User:DanTD (talk) 04:51, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

No open gangway cars in the R211 order.
Yesterday I removed a few statements which made the claim that 10 open gangway cars are part of the R-211 order on the R-211 order page. It has been reverted twice, once without explanation, once by somebody else, stating "It is in the source" I have seen no source which claims that the Open gangway cars are part of the R-211 order. The cited source makes no such claim.

Applicable quotes from the source: " New York City Transit proposes to invest $2.956 billion for 940 new 60-foot R-211 railcars and 10 new open-gangway prototype cars that will replace the R-46 class on the B division" "The proposed 2015-2019 Capital Program includes the purchase of 940 R-211 railcars, 10 open-gangway prototype cars and 1,391 buses" If we were to take this sentence as meaning the R-211 order includes open gangway prototype cars, that also would mean it includes 1,391 buses! In reality, it means neither. The 940 60-foot cars are the R-211 order, while the 10 open gangway cars and 1,391 buses are both other independent orders. They have different budget lines later on in the cited source too.

I have removed the source as it contradicts the claim, and have added a "cite source" tag to statements making the claim that these have anything to do with the R-211.

I want to be clear about what I am saying: I am NOT making the claim that the MTA does not intend to order 10 open gangway cars for the B division. I am making the claim that they are not connected to the R-211 order at all. I have seen not a single source which contradicts my understanding here.

Unless people protest, I will re-remove the statement in a few days if no source (which actually states these open gangway cars are R-211s) is added. 216.165.95.67 (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

StationReporter.net appears to be deleted
Almost every NYC subway station article I come across has an external link (some of them have several) to a page on the Station Reporter website. It appears that that site has been deleted because it is no longer at stationreporter.net. Right now I'm marking them with dead link. If the site moved to a new location (which I don't see in a couple of quick searches), the links need to be updated, otherwise, they should be deleted. Slambo (Speak) 18:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * An archive copy still exists. Vcohen (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tried to revive as many of them as I can. I'll start looking at all your tags and see if I can add archived versions of those links. -User:DanTD (talk) 02:31, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * On a side note, this isn't the only dead link. Most of the nycsubway.org links now redirect to the pages on the lines rather than to the pages on the stations, which are now actually dead links. But it does seem that Station Reporter is a more serious dead-linking case. epic genius (talk) 15:40, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Freedom Ticket
I found a website about a proposed "Freedom Ticket" here. It looks like it belongs in the New York City transit fares, Long Island Rail Road, or Metro-North Railroad articles, but I am not sure exactly which, if any article, is this reference appropriate for. epicgenius (talk) 22:06, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

NJT Rolling Stock IDs
Okay, who can identify any of these passenger cars from New Jersey Transit? I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're all GE Arrows, but I need some real proof either way. -User:DanTD (talk) 13:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Per the Arrow (railcar) article, they're both Arrow IIIs. oknazevad (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, those are all Arrow III EMUs. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 15:59, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suspected as much. Does anybody want to try for the one below? -User:DanTD (talk) 20:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That looks like 5718 or a similar number, which would make it a Comet I. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Totally. The fixed brown 3&2 seats with the short headrest at the aisle on the three-wide side coupled with the lack of middle doors mamma this clearly a Comet I. oknazevad (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, does anyone want to try the last one here? -User:DanTD (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The one partly exposed on the left is a Comet V, the next one is a Comet II (no middle door, wide stripe). The others are either CIIs or CIVs, but are too obscured by the catenary to really tell. The hoppers are Amtak maintenance. oknazevad (talk) 02:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)



Manhattan Bridge Three Cent Line
I've got a sandbox for the "Manhattan Bridge Three Cent Line" trolley. Does anybody have any extra info they can add for it? -User:DanTD (talk) 06:32, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a possible source about a lawsuit relating to the line, which is here. Generally, though, we should look for more references to your sandbox article. epicgenius (talk) 16:30, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Possible WP:ACCESS issue on Select Bus Service
Hello, any particular reason why color is being used to color the stylized title of +selectbusservice on the Select Bus Service article? I assume it is an attempt to include a stylized rendition of their logo. However, especially with the silver-colored "service", it is more difficult to read. I think these were some of the WP:ACCESS issues we were trying to avoid when consensus was made on Manual of Style/Accessibility and Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting: not to color prose text like that. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The statement is "marked on the buses as..." Currently it is correct and sometimes unreadable. If we change it, it will become readable, but senseless and wrong. What do you prefer? Vcohen (talk) 11:41, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Full shutdown of some subway stations for refurbishment
The MTA plans to fully close 30 subway stations for 6 to 12 months for renovation in the near future. (Source) Should this info be added to the articles about the affected stations now, or when they are closed? epicgenius (talk) 00:32, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That's not in the source you gave. It's just a map highlighting some stations. Could be that there just the ones they plan on working on the next 6-12 months? Need the full source. Can't find it on the governor's website where the image is hosted. oknazevad (talk) 01:24, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The original source is here. epicgenius (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hm. Well, as of now it's a proposal, not a sure thing. Maybe a brief mention that can be expanded upon if and when more firm plans are made. oknazevad (talk) 20:28, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 174th–175th Streets (IND Concourse Line) is one of the stations with galleries I wanted to expand on my next trip to NYC, whenever that is. If it's closed, that's going to get in the way of any effort to take any additional pictures. On the other hand, maybe it'll lead to the reopening of the entrance on 175th Street. -User:DanTD (talk) 04:57, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * At least one of the articles I have read states that some will not close due to capacity reasons. Until we know the firm plans, we surely should not add anything stating they will close.216.165.95.67 (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess we shouldn't add it, then. When the station does close, we can update it. epicgenius (talk) 02:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Once firm information is available - even if it's well before the closure - then it's worth updating. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Definitely of some note, but this information is far from solidified yet. At the very least I'd wait for an official announcement from the MTA themselves as to a set date range for each station. Otherwise it's just speculation not worthy of an encyclopedia entry. -- rellmerr (talk page • contribs) 20:33, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

CTA Mets Pizza Bet Delivery
Aw, man! How do we categorize this? Somebody from MTA took a bunch of pictures from Corona with the title "CTA Mets Pizza Bet Delivery," involving the Chicago Transit Authority delivering Chicago Pizzas to a homeless shelter there. Judging from the geotags of those pics, the place is on 112th Street northeast of 111th Street (IRT Flushing Line), but has nothing to do with anything related to that station, or anything else involving the MTA. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:06, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Not as part of the subway stations, that's for sure. I'm not sure if we should even upload these... epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I already put categories for Corona on them. I've also got a link from Chicago's WLS indicating that the bet was between CTA and MTA over the 2015 NL Pennant, but this still looks like it should be uploaded elsewhere. I was almost ready to consider adding a CTA cat if the situation called for it. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I moved these to another category for the Corona Family Residence pizza party, not that it matters much. epicgenius (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine. I'll add more to it, and get rid of the MTA cat. -User:DanTD (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Metro-North Railroad article
The article is in really bad shape, and I don't know where to start to improve it. If possible could someone help me fix it up. Thanks. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, what's wrong with it? It'd help us to know what to fix to know what needs fixing. oknazevad (talk) 04:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Several sections including fares, and the lines sections have barely any info and no sources. That should be fixed somehow.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * cleanup can be appended to the tops of the sections that need clean up. In the meantime, I will go and find sources. epicgenius (talk) 13:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

thanks!--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:26, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I'd just quickly comment hat the lines section is intentionally brief as each of the lines has its own article, so only a short overview (per WP:SUMMARY) is in the main article. I'd also note that "Metro-North" is a hyphen, not a dash. oknazevad (talk) 17:13, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Categorization of images
These images are categorized in the commons:Category:Parsons Boulevard (IND Queens Boulevard Line) category.

I don't see the station in them. Does anybody see it? Vcohen (talk) 13:05, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't say that I do. But I do know that they're a block south of the station entrances. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * A block south - is it close enough to categorize them this way? Vcohen (talk) 18:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think, this category was used instead of the missing commons:Category:Parsons Boulevard category. Vcohen (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

167th Street (IRT Jerome Avenue Line) images revisited
For years I've bragged about the Google Street View of 167th Street (IRT Jerome Avenue Line) from Gerard Avenue, and finally got my chance to get a picture from there in November 2014, despite the fact that it didn't live up to my expectations. However shortly after taking and uploading this picture, I thought of another possible view of the station, specifically one block west from Jerome Avenue itself. I was thinking a good ideas would've been to take it from the corner of Edward L. Grant Highway, and you wouldn't have to stand in the middle of traffic for this one either. Two other shots I have considered were at Walton Avenue, and above the western portal of the 167th Street tunnel under Grand Concourse, however those seem a little too distant to me. In the meantime, I still have an interior shot of a "Path Through History" poster at the station, that I've been keeping unposted out of WP:Copyvio fears. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:MNRR stations navbox
Holy hell. Aside of the fact that this is too large, none of the NYCRR stations or Erie stations should even be in there. Most of these never saw Metro-North, such as Arden Erie, stuff north of Poughkeepsie, north of Wassaic, etc. Mitch 32 (I can have oodles of charm when I want to.) 20:14, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Agreed - this should be collapsed by default, and there needs to be a date set as the borderline. The changeover to MNRR (1983?) is probably best; was that when public subsidy of the service started? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:19, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I thought there were a few stations on that list that served Metro-North in the beginning, but cutting some of them out would be a good idea. BTW Castleton (Amtrak station) showed up on the list and it's completely irrelevant to Metro-North and New York Central. -User:DanTD (talk) 20:24, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Monroe, Chester Goshen, old Middletown are only Erie stations. Woodbine was never even a station on the Erie. Mitch 32 (I can have oodles of charm when I want to.) 23:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Anyway, I and an IP have gone ahead and cleaned out the non-MNRR clutter. Mitch 32 (I can have oodles of charm when I want to.) 23:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for cleaning up the template. It seems I got a little carried away with the addition of stations... epicgenius (talk) 01:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Pelham Bay Park (IRT Pelham Line)
This station has one platform in use and two not in use. I suppose the platform in use is on the right in the photo. Why do I see somebody's hand on the left platform? Vcohen (talk) 12:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

It looks like a maintenance worker's glove to me, but I can't really make it out. epicgenius (talk) 16:13, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Suggested page rename: Automation of the New York City Subway to Signals of the New York City Subway
I suggest this for the following reasons:

1. The page includes a substantial amount of information about the old wayside block signalling system in place throughout most of the system.

2. The rest of this page is about CBTC, and CBTC is not simply automation- it is a new signalling system which enables partial automation. CBTC in the MTA's current and planned installations still requires operating personnel onboard the trains.

3. There is no page for NYCS Signals, which is certainly a broader and more notable subject than an "automation", especially one which is not really happening.

To briefly summarize, Signalling as a whole is the topic that this page is currently describing, despite its title. This has been renamed before and reverted for no reason that I see.

(I have previously posted this on the Automation talk page, but it does not appear as if anybody goes there.) 2604:2000:C689:9700:A892:491F:B6AD:305F (talk) 03:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with the idea. I'll support you there. oknazevad (talk) 03:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Automation_of_the_New_York_City_Subway#Requested move 22 January 2016
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Automation_of_the_New_York_City_Subway. Thanks. epicgenius (talk) 04:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Main_Line_(NJ_Transit)#Requested_move_23_January_2016
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Main_Line_(NJ_Transit). Thanks. epicgenius (talk) 02:50, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

BMT navbox
I'm sure some of you know I've been working on a navbox for the Brooklyn–Manhattan Transit Corporation for a good year and a half. Does anybody feel like adding it to the main page, and editing the thing whenever necessary, as the rest of you suggested about the Template:NYC streetcar transit a while back? -User:DanTD (talk) 18:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess. Do you want to move it to mainspace? epicgenius (talk) 02:50, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm very close to doing just that. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * So what should I name the thing? Template:BMT companies, or Template:BMT branches, or something like that? Of course, whatever I call it, I'm going to put it in the "General navboxes" section. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd probably go with BMT companies. epicgenius (talk) 20:38, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Done, but I suspect I should remove it from WP:LI. -User:DanTD (talk) 21:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Lingering single image galleries
Once the snow is cleared from the streets, highways and rails, is anybody going to expand the galleries of the Brooklyn Six? By that I mean Chauncey Street (BMT Jamaica Line)‎, Cleveland Street (BMT Jamaica Line), President Street (IRT Nostrand Avenue Line), Winthrop Street (IRT Nostrand Avenue Line), Rockaway Avenue (IRT New Lots Line), and Van Siclen Avenue (IRT New Lots Line). Also, in the Bronx, you've got Longwood Avenue (IRT Pelham Line), Middletown Road (IRT Pelham Line), and 174th–175th Streets (IND Concourse Line). Unless I snag these on my next NYC vacation (whenever that is), these stations should be put on the next Wikipedia Takes the Subways event, if another one is organized. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:34, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Brooklyn–Queens Connector
There's now an article on this proposed streetcar line. Would anyone like to expand the article? epicgenius ( talk ) 14:58, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Good Article Review on the New York City Subway article
Someone else has initiated a review on the New York City Subway article, and I could use some help on meeting the reviewers requests. Thanks. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

NYCT Sign Shops location
The MTA's Flickr page claims that the New York City Transit Sign Shops are in Prospect Heights, however the geotag places the site at Nassau Brewing Company in Crown Heights. Something's not right here, and FYI, I was looking for evidence of the sign shop during my Brooklyn pic spree in September 2015. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I did find [hxxp://underground-signs.com/ this company] in Brooklyn Navy Yard; that company makes subway signs. I don't know if they are real signs or replicas. epicgenius ( talk ) 22:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC) (Removed link because of malware report. epicgenius ( talk ) 02:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * They say, Custom & Replica. Anyway, not real. Vcohen (talk) 23:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Besides, geolocation on Flickr is often wrong. I'll take the coordinates with a grain of salt. It's likely that these signs were produced at Linden Shops. epicgenius ( talk ) 23:34, 6 February 2016 (UTC) Actually, it's Bergen Sign Shop in Brooklyn. epicgenius ( talk ) 23:36, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, but that link doesn't tell you where the Bergen Sign Shop is. However this one claims it's in Crown Heights in "a non-descript shed near Utica Avenue." So, I guess we can look a bit east from Franklin Avenue. -User:DanTD (talk) 05:41, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a Transit Authority facility on Troy Avenue and Bergen Street. I've always presumed that to be the sign shop. Pacific Coast Highway (talk) 04:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I found that. But Google Maps misspelled it as "Bergan," and calls it a "Woodworking Supply Store." Their fault, of course, but it still looks like a potential photography target for the rest of us. :) -User:DanTD (talk) 14:45, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

New Jersey Transit
I've started a discussion regarding this article's title. Input is requested and welcome. oknazevad (talk) 01:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Redding (Metro-North station)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Redding (Amtrak station). epicgenius ( talk ) 18:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC) epicgenius ( talk ) 18:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

W Train Brought Back
I have added the information about the change in N, Q and W service to many pages, but more pages many need the information. Thanks. Here is the link. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The link only says that a public hearing may be heard. Also, on an unrelated note, why is the MTA so hopeful that the Second Avenue Subway is going to open later this year? epicgenius ( talk ) 18:36, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It says that it will be brought back.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The MTA says that it's likely but not certain: Adding the W Subway Line to the system will provide more choices to Queens and Manhattan customers who use the Broadway N SubwayQ SubwayR Subway Lines, as well as allow New York City Transit to prepare for a seamless transition and connection of service between those lines and the Second Avenue Subway. New York City Transit is proposing to hold a public hearing on this service proposal in spring, in order to implement it by fall. epicgenius ( talk ) 18:56, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * So, which one will be considered the Broadway Local now? Or will this name apply to both the N and W trains? -User:DanTD (talk) 21:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The N and Q will be the Broadway expresses, and the R and W will be the Broadway Locals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kew Gardens 613 (talk • contribs)

East Side Access commons images
For a while, we've had more images in the commons category for the East Side Access project, than the MTA commons category. Who knows of a way that it can be diffused? I'd prefer a category that's Queens-specific, but I'd be okay with another one on the Manhattan side too. -User:DanTD (talk) 05:45, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * commons:Category:East Side Access, for those interested in looking. DMacks (talk) 05:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking at this cat, I'm struck by how many of the images have fairly non-useful descriptions. DMacks (talk) 06:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Like which ones? -User:DanTD (talk) 06:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The first four I clicked on because they looked interesting and diverse...
 * File:EAS 7455 (6812793085).jpg
 * File:EAS 7495 (6812794045).jpg
 * File:EAS 7617 (6812800779).jpg
 * File:EAS 7201 (6812784169).jpg
 * They all have a generic description "The MTA's East Side Access project is connecting the Long Island Rail Road to a newly built concourse underneath the existing lower level of Grand Central Terminal. These photos show the progress on the project as of January 25, 2012." I can figure out the first is someone welding or cutting metal. The second is tanks of...something that somehow relates to...drilling, or sump-pumping, or...? The third is air filters or cement molds or vibration dampers or some sort of expansion chamber. The fourth is looking down, I think, into an...access tunnel (eventual stair/escalator), from somewhere to somewhere, or maybe a future rail tunnel, or a ventillation shaft.
 * Typing that out, it sounds really sarcastic, that's not how I mean it. It's just that we spend so much time playing "can you identify this photo?" from old and obscure things. So I was surprised that we have such a modern collection from a known general subject and still don't have labels as to what they really illustrate related to that subject. DMacks (talk) 06:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we should separate the images into main categories first. I suggest "Cavern", "Tunnels", "Infrastructure", "Ceremonies", and "Above-ground work", to start off. epicgenius (talk) 14:26, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The floor breaking ceremony at Grand Central looks like it might be good for it's own category, but I still think there should also be some for Queens. In the meantime, I think there might still be a few 55th Street vent images I can move there. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I moved the 55th Street Vent images. Only 582 more to go... epicgenius (talk) 17:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * And I made one for the floor demolition ceremony, but it ended up being for the floor demolition in general. That one should probably be renamed. In the meantime I've got to think of one for the Sunnyside Yard area. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Patrick Cashin is an excellent photographer and it's hard to imagine that better descriptions were not written. Question is, if so, what happened to them? Perhaps online somewhere besides the site where we got the picture? Jim.henderson (talk) 02:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Beats me. Maybe the MTA told him to name the images a specific way. When we started getting this onslaught of MTA Flickr images, I saw images for Jackson Avenue (IRT White Plains Road Line) that were actually described as being in BROOKLYN! In the meantime, I just created a category for ESA images from Sunnyside Yard. I thought about doing another for Queens Plaza, but since the tunnel is north of that I scrapped that idea. In the meantime the coordinates for this bridge over 48th Street are mislocated at 43rd Street and Queens Boulevard. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

The Good Article Review on the New York City Subway article is completed and it is now a good article
--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:13, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps. epicgenius (talk) 16:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

More Metro-North train IDs
You people know I'm still on the quest for M6 (railcar) images, so I'll have to resume asking about non-specific Metro-North EMU's.

There are certainly some others, but I can't decide whether I should post them or not. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:43, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Possible new article, Technology of the New York City Subway
I don't know what would exactly go inside of it, but information involving the subway cars, track layouts, features of the subway including new on the go kiosks, and various other technological features of the subway. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * AC/DC conversion, cut & cover vs tunnel, wood vs steel vs stainless bodies, wheel grinding, ventilation, etc. for a start. Yes, technical topics are many.  You might want to start it as a section and when it's big enough and good enough to fly alone, split it off.  Jim.henderson (talk) 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * How about Infrastructure of the New York City Subway? I am also thinking that Safety in the New York City Subway/Security in the New York City Subway (a single article) would also be a topic that we can cover adequately after a split. epicgenius @ 16:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC) (talk) 16:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * After looking at the article, I am inclined to expect greater improvement by moving some material to existing detail articles. For example, tokens are a lovely piece of history, and the system of announcements in 21st century rolling stock get much detail. Such matters should be much more briefly summarized and the details moved. Another layer of detail article, between those and the master NYC Subway article, is a less hopeful idea. Jim.henderson (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Location of the Grand Street, 2nd Avenue, and Bowery stations
This was originally posted at User talk:Epicgenius:

Not debating the Chinatown location of Grand St subway station, however, do you really believe it's not in the neighborhood of the Bowery as well? Wikipedia's own entry on the Bowery lists the neighborhood's borders as, "East 4th Street and the East Village to the north; Canal Street and Chinatown to the south; Allen Street and the Lower East Side to the east; and Little Italy to the west." Grand St subway station is on Grand and Chrystie which falls within the borders of the Bowery neighborhood as defined in the article. Additionally, if you look at the borders of the Bowery neighborhood on Google Maps, you can see that Bowery station, Grand St station and 2nd Ave station are all within the neighborhood. Not arguing that these wouldn't crisscross with other neighborhoods, but if we're going to use our own and other commonly accepted definitions of the neighborhood's borders, I don't see how one could say they don't fall within the confines of the Bowery. caz &#124; speak 20:53, 4 April 2016 (UTC) I'll hold off on editing Grand St and 2nd Ave subway pages until we reach consensus, but my view is that they should both mention that the stations fall within the neighborhood of the Bowery in addition to the other neighborhoods we currently mention. caz &#124; speak 20:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I would like to have feedback on whether Grand Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line), Bowery (BMT Nassau Street Line), or 2nd Avenue (IND Sixth Avenue Line) should be listed in the Bowery neighborhood. I think only the Bowery station should get such a listing, but I'm not really sure. epicgenius @ 21:05, 4 April 2016 (UTC) (talk) 21:05, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking for further input so others beyond us two can weigh in and we can reach consensus. I think there's a case to be made that the Bowery isn't a cohesive neighborhood within the borders Wikipedia & Google give, which is why you feel it may not be appropriate to include the latter two stations as within the confines of the Bowery. However, I don't think we can say that while also leaving the stated borders of the Bowery neighborhood in the Bowery article untouched without the pages contradicting each other. caz | speak 05:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Blurry car at Brooklyn Bridge - City Hall station
I almost put this thread in the unidentified locations talk page, but since I already know the location is Brooklyn Bridge - City Hall (IRT Lexington Avenue Line), I though I'd post my question about this blurry 6 train (at least according to the article) in the gallery. -User:DanTD (talk) 20:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)



R142s and R188s don't run on the 6 line. Only R142As. This should solve your problem.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Good enough for me. Fixed. -User:DanTD (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Westport_station_(Connecticut)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Westport_station_(Connecticut). epicgenius, presented by reddit.com/r/funny (talk) 00:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Artificial reefs
Hello all. I am going to create a category on commons for these images that show creating artificial reefs of old subway cars.

There is an article about such a reef, but that reef is made of Redbirds, while the images clearly show other models, this makes me think that the Redbird Reef is not the only one of the kind. In short, I need a name for the category. Vcohen (talk) 06:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * How about "New York City Subway car reefs"? That seems to be what the images are generally about epicgenius, presented by reddit.com/r/funny (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Vcohen (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

How do you call it?
Comrades, how is this information board called in English? Vcohen (talk) 18:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The MTA doesn't really have a name for it. It is a marquee, technically. It also gives the current time, the destination, "The Next Stop Is", and the next stop while the train is in motion. When the train is approaching a station, the board rapidly alternates between "This is" and the name of the station. epicgenius (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Bus route reformatting
Has anybody seen my reformatted list of bus routes in the Jamaica Buses article? I'd like to encourage more reformatting of these lists. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I like the new table format. I've added some links. epicgenius (talk) 00:41, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Great. I've been trying to get more of them reformatted. I just haven't decide which ones I'm going to do next, and after that. -User:DanTD (talk) 02:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * UPDATE - I decided my next task was going to be New York Bus Service. The list of bus routes they had before being acquired by the MTA is short enough. I still have some questions; Does anybody have an idea of which streets the Bx70 and Bx71 took (other than Baychester Avenue in the case of the latter)? -User:DanTD (talk) 01:31, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Public ferry
I am developing a draft about a proposed New York City public ferry system at User:Epicgenius/sandbox/2. Anyone is free to add sources as needed. Infinitely Awesome Epic Genius (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Good Article nominations for this wikiproject
I have nominated the following NYPT articles for good article status:
 * 34th Street – Hudson Yards (IRT Flushing Line)
 * Flushing – Main Street (IRT Flushing Line)
 * High Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line)
 * Kew Gardens – Union Turnpike (IND Queens Boulevard Line)
 * Norwood – 205th Street (IND Concourse Line)

epicgenius (talk) 00:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC) (Amended. epicgenius (talk) 01:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC))


 * Overall these look very good but they do need some work for GA status. I may be able to do some reviews but until then, some general comments:
 * Per WP:NOTTRAVEL, "nearby destinations" sections are not appropriate for transit station articles. If a destination is extremely important to the station or vice versa (particularly sports venues) then it may be worth mentioning in the lede. The location for a list of landmarks in Norwood, Bronx is in the place article, not the station article.
 * Similarly, the list of buses in the Flushing - Main Street article is far too detailed. A better style would be partially in prose: "The following buses stop at Roosevelt Avenue (west of Main Street): Q19 (Astoria-Flushing local), Q48...."
 * Citations for files which are on Wikimedia Commons should link to the file information page on Commons, not directly to the file nor to the enwiki file page. Those citations should also be complete, rather than just the title and link.
 * Several other citations are just a bare url, or a url and title with no other information. These should be expanded into complete citations. A number of other citations aren't well formatted; these should be converted to citation templates.
 * These are lengthy articles with plenty of prose to match images to. There's no need for galleries to shoehorn extra images in.
 * When available, historical images would be great for the history section. Many photographs from the subway construction era are now PD.
 * If available, daily ridership numbers are much more intuitive to the lay reader than annual counts. 19 million people over 365 days is difficult to conceptualize; 20,000 people a day is much easier.
 * Standardize on 30em columns (which adapt better to multiple screen widths) rather than a fixed number of columns in reflists.
 * There is no need to abbreviate the state and include the ZIP code in infoboxes. These are street addresses for location purposes, not mailing addresses.
 * The West 30th street heliport is over 2,000 feet away by walking; that's too far to list as a connection unless you also intend to list Penn Station and the 39th Street ferry terminal which are about the same distance. I also thought the heliport was closed to commercial traffic?
 * Several of the further reading and external links may work better as inline citations.
 * Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll probably work on these issues individually. (Maybe the ZIP codes should be discussed further, as they are located on other station articles as well. Otherwise, I'll try to get to work on everything else.) epicgenius (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The ZIP codes may need a general discussion at WP:Trains; they were added early on in article's histories before there was much thought about formatting. I've been removing them when I edit station articles, but I certainly wouldn't fail a GA on that point alone. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:41, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that this needs discussion at WT:TRAINS, as zip codes are also placed on other systems' station articles, resulting in thousands of such articles having zip codes.
 * To everyone in general – here are the status of the points Pi raised:
 * Per WP:NOTTRAVEL, I will integrate only the very important "nearby destinations" sections into station layouts.
 * I will try to find a new place (possibly a new article) for the bus table in the Flushing - Main Street article.
 * The citations for Commons files will be completed. I'll try to find out which of them need completing.
 * I will complete the citations as well.
 * I will integrate galleries into articles per WP:NOTGALLERY.
 * If possible, historical images will be added.
 * Daily ridership is available, but seldom used.
 * Will fix the reflist columns to 30em or 40em (depending on # of citations) as I copyedit each article.
 * ZIP Codes have yet to be discussed.
 * The West 30th Street heliport was removed. Should it be a point of interest, or maybe not?
 * Further reading will be turned into inline citations, if possible.
 * Regards, epicgenius (talk) 03:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Regading Flushing – Main Street (IRT Flushing Line), I have to disagree about the bus list. There used to be a major bus terminal connected to the station similar to the Victor Moore Arcade in Jackson Heights, but despite the fact that at some point it was torn down, buses still use the area surrounding that station and the nearby Long Island Rail Road station as a major hub. Also, I forgot where I read this, but I think a new intermodal terminal is supposed to be built nearby. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:44, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Template:NYCS-bull-small
Per this TfD discussion, I've substituted every transclusion of NYCS-bull-small (or replaced it with NYCS box where appropriate). Should the now-unused template be deleted or just have deprecated put at the top to avoid breaking revision history? Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 14:20, 14 May 2016 (UTC) (Pinging Epicgenius, Vcohen and DanTD. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 04:29, 15 May 2016 (UTC))
 * Yeah, put Deprecated at the top of NYCS-bull-small. (I didn't get the ping, . Maybe you should try sending it again?) epicgenius (talk) 16:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 09:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I got the second ping only. Vcohen (talk) 13:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I had a couple of pings on this. I was always concerned about what deleting the NYCS-bull-small might do to most of the articles using it. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

The Blue Comet website is archived
I just managed to get a dead website called "The Blue Comet.com" archived. Granted it has dead and outdated javascript attachments, but it's still useful for a lot of former New Jersey Transit lines and station, as well as others outside of the coverage of WP:NYPT. How many broken links to this website are still around? -User:DanTD (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thirteen links to that website still exist. Kylo, Rey, &#38; Finn Consortium (formerly epicgenius) (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I need a name
I am going to create a category on commons for this equipment. Does anybody have an idea how to call it? Vcohen (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "CCTV in the New York City Subway" or "Surveillance equipment in the New York City Subway" would both be good names, I think. Kylo, Rey, &#38; Finn Consortium (talk) 18:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Vcohen (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Musicians
Colleagues, help me please to identify the instruments.

Thanks in advance. Vcohen (talk) 17:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The first an third are right (though you could easily fall the first a "keyboard" as well). The second is an electroacoustic guitar. oknazevad (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! Vcohen (talk) 21:59, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Robin Road Trestle
Hello all, Yesterday I found and uploaded a photo of a bridge that used to be part of the South Beach Branch. I have already inserted it into the article, but still have two questions. 1. Why does the article call it a trestle? A trestle is supposed to be a frame structure, but that bridge doesn't look like one. 2. Why does the article say it is in South Beach? Google Maps show the whole length of Robin Road in Arrochar, north of South Beach. Vcohen (talk) 07:46, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * UPD. Question #2 has been solved. Question #1 is still open. Vcohen (talk) 17:10, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * As to #1, it can also be called the Robin Road Overpass. Kylo, Rey, &#38; Finn Consortium, now featuring BB-8 (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Street sign
What year is this sign from? It shows the 9 (at Cortlandt Street?) and the brown M at Fulton Street. Does it still exist? Vcohen (talk) 13:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Here it is! At least one of them. Is it intentionally left not updated to commemorate 9/11? Vcohen (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that the sign simply wasn't updated at all, as the maintainers of the sign (probably Downtown Alliance) probably put it into storage after 9/11 and didn't update it after they put it back sometime around 2010-2011. That Google Maps location is correct, but the sign wasn't there in 2009. Kylo, Rey, &#38; Finn Consortium, now featuring BB-8 (talk) 14:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Yaphank LIRR station Image
I didn't want to say anything about this until after my vacation when I was able to capture new images, but the current image for Yaphank (LIRR station) looks like a straight-up WP:COPYVIO, right out of the MTA's website. If I'm wrong, please let me know. -User:DanTD (talk) 17:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Give us a link please. "MTA's website" is a little vague to find one picture. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This image is from this webpage of the MTA. But maybe it's the opposite, that the MTA took from Wikipedia? That image definitely wasn't on the MTA page in 2010. Or even in August 2014. The Wikipedia image on the MTA page starts appearing afterward, definitely by December 2014. Kylo, Rey, &#38; Finn Consortium, now featuring BB-8 (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, so that means I am wrong. Glad that's settled. I added a commons tag anyway. -User:DanTD (talk) 20:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Useful open-source tool to find NYC Subway entrances
Hello everyone. I have found a webpage where there is basically a database dump of all the currently-open NYC Subway and Staten Island Railway entrances. The link is here if anyone needs it. Kylo, Rey, &#38; Finn Consortium, now featuring BB-8 (talk) 17:58, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Image Progress Report; July 2016
I have excellent news for the world since my recent June 2016 vacation: No New York City Subway station article has a gallery with a single image anymore. I can't say the same for Staten Island Railway station images though, since I never even went to Staten Island... not even to drive down the Staten Island Expressway as I drove to and from New Jersey to get to Queens. The Brooklyn Six (Cleveland Street (BMT Jamaica Line), Chauncey Street (BMT Jamaica Line), Van Siclen Avenue (IRT New Lots Line), Rockaway Avenue (IRT New Lots Line), Winthrop Street (IRT Nostrand Avenue Line), and President Street (IRT Nostrand Avenue Line)), and the Bronx Three (Longwood Avenue (IRT Pelham Line), Middletown Road (IRT Pelham Line), and 174th-175th Streets (IND Concourse Line)) are all loaded with images now, and I was able to expand some at DeKalb Avenue (BMT Fourth Avenue Line), Park Place (BMT Franklin Avenue Line), Burnside Avenue (IRT Jerome Avenue Line), Woodlawn (IRT Jerome Avenue Line), Court Square (New York City Subway) and Parsons Boulevard (IND Queens Boulevard Line). I even added some extra Rockaway Avenue (IND Fulton Street Line) and Broadway Junction (IND Fulton Street Line) images. Sadly, the abbreviated pillar signs at St. Lawrence Avenue (IRT Pelham Line) and Zerega Avenue (IRT Pelham Line) are gone (although Castle Hill Avenue (IRT Pelham Line) still has one), and so are the old blue and white porcelain IRT signs at Saratoga Avenue (IRT New Lots Line)... at least according to an MTA construction worker I talked to at Rockaway Avenue. Therefore I'm considering removing these from the image request list. On the Long Island Rail Road front, thankfully, I was able to capture the former Mill Neck (LIRR station) and expand stations like Yaphank (LIRR station), East Hampton (LIRR station), and Stewart Manor (LIRR station). I even got a couple of shots of the brick parking lot at Nassau Boulevard (LIRR station) before the battery on my camera died and a local cop go suspicious of me briefly parking my car in their parking lot. Speaking of parking lots, I was able to grab some of the expanded one at Brentwood (LIRR station), though one got dark, and another got blurry, so I didn't upload those. Unfortunately, three former stations I wanted, I couldn't get. Hillside (LIRR station) house is surrounded by container trailers, Bellaire (LIRR station) I drove right under, but never got a chance to snap anything of that one, and Dunton (LIRR station) I couldn't even get near... and I know how I can get there too. On the other hand, I've got a few extra Richmond Hill (LIRR station) images coming up, along with some non railroad and subway related Richmond Hill sites. As for Metro-North, I was able to expand Larchmont (Metro-North station), but missed Mamaroneck (Metro-North station), although I did get a couple of significant former New York, Westchester and Boston Railway stations along the way in Larchmont and Port Chester. On the Harlem Line, I got an extra Hawthorne (Metro-North station) image that's barely like the existing one, finally got some shots of the older freight house north of Mount Kisco (Metro-North station), and created galleries for Goldens Bridge (Metro-North station) and Croton Falls (Metro-North station). Valhalla (Metro-North station)'s original station house is added to the gallery, the images I have for Katonah (Metro-North station) might as well be duplicates of the ones that are already there, the ones I'm preparing for Purdy's (Metro-North station) will require that I cover up some license plates in the parking lot, but Brewster (Metro-North station) is going to be huge when I get through with it (and for the record, I never saw any young brunettes with flip hairdos when I was there). Everything between the Yonkers City Line and south of Tarrytown (Metro-North station) is now loaded, especially Irvington (Metro-North station). There is one image from Hastings-on-Hudson (Metro-North station) that I should've captured, but I completely forgot about that one. I considered going to Ossining (Metro-North station), but I didn't have enough time in my day for that one, and I thought about getting more for Ludlow (Metro-North station), but I wanted something other than window shots. On the bright side, I was able to create a small gallery for Morris Heights (Metro-North station) and spotted the actual platform and station entrance for the Highbridge Maintenance Facility, although I didn't snap any pictures of the latter. Well, perhaps unless I find a way to get up to NYC before the end of the year, this may be it for my train and subway station images. Some editors already know the reason for that. I'm leaning more towards concentrating on historic sites, roads, and other interesting sites, but I'm not going to completely stop working on railroad-related material on Wikipedia. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:00, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

IRT Dyre Avenue lighted sign revisited
Remember when I asked about whether that lighted "To City/From City" sign at Pelham Parkway (IRT Dyre Avenue Line) was an old relic from the New York, Westchester and Boston Railway? Well, on my way to gathering images for Gun Hill Road (IRT Dyre Avenue Line) I stopped at Pelham Parkway station and asked a ticket agent about it,... -User:DanTD (talk) 02:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)




 * Nice. Are we going to put this image on that article? That would be interesting. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've taken that into serious consideration. Maybe I'll whip up a line on that. I wonder if Morris Park (IRT Dyre Avenue Line) has anything that unique. -User:DanTD (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * UPDATE - Arrrgh! You beat me to it! -User:DanTD (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I'm also planning to add some info about that to the article, if any exists. Kylo Ren (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Lexington – 63rd Street
I don't where you got the idea that the unopened part of the Lexington – 63rd Street is a separate station. I think that this is incorrect.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 11:06, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It may look like 1 station, but it is actually a transfer between the IND 63rd Street Line and the BMT 63rd Street Line. The Wikipedia page on List of New York City Subway stations in Manhattan kind of confirms this, since I did a precise count of all the stations. The same thing goes with Sutphin/Archer and Jamaica Center, which are both transfer stations for two lines. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 12:34, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my intervention, these are all the NYCS stations serving two or more lines each:
 * 145th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line)
 * 50th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line)
 * DeKalb Avenue (BMT Fourth Avenue Line)
 * Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway)
 * Jamaica Center – Parsons/Archer (Archer Avenue Lines)
 * Lexington Avenue – 63rd Street (63rd Street Lines)
 * Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line)
 * Queensboro Plaza (New York City Subway)
 * Seventh Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line)
 * Sutphin Boulevard – Archer Avenue – JFK Airport (Archer Avenue Lines)
 * West Eighth Street – New York Aquarium (New York City Subway)
 * West Fourth Street – Washington Square (New York City Subway)
 * Jay Street – MetroTech (IND Lines)
 * Coney Island – Stillwell Avenue (New York City Subway)
 * If you count each of them twice or more, you never get to stations. Vcohen (talk) 13:31, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's OK. Actually, I counted 150 stations for Manhattan, 70 in the Bronx, 179 in Brooklyn, and 84 in Queens. That is more than the 148 Manhattan stations, 70 Bronx stations, 170 Brooklyn stations, and 81 Queens stations the MTA counts. When I added 150+70+179+84, I actually got 483 stations, which is even more than the the MTA counts. But if you subtract these 14 stations you listed above from the figure of 483 I got, you will arrive at the figure of  stations. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 15:11, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It may actually be that Stillwell is counted once by the MTA (when in fact it is supposed to be four stations), and that three of the stations in the list above are correctly counted twice, which leads to the figure of (469, for future reference). I may be wrong, though. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 15:18, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I will analyze this list:
 * 145th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) - Two level station, with the lower level split off from the Eighth Avenue Line
 * 50th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) - Two level station, with the lower level split off from the Eighth Avenue Line
 * DeKalb Avenue (BMT Fourth Avenue Line) - Cross-platform interchange
 * Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway) - Cross-platform interchange
 * Jamaica Center – Parsons/Archer (Archer Avenue Lines) - Two-level station, the two Archer Avenue lines are counted as one
 * Lexington Avenue – 63rd Street (63rd Street Lines) - Cross-platform interchange
 * Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line) - Cross-platform interchange
 * Queensboro Plaza (New York City Subway) - Cross-platform interchange
 * Seventh Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line) - Cross-platform interchange
 * Sutphin Boulevard – Archer Avenue – JFK Airport (Archer Avenue Lines) - Two-level station, the two Archer Avenue lines are counted as one
 * West Eighth Street – New York Aquarium (New York City Subway) - Two-level station, same alignment holds two separate lines
 * West Fourth Street – Washington Square (New York City Subway) - Two-level station, same alignment holds two separate lines
 * Jay Street – MetroTech (IND Lines) - Cross-platform interchange
 * Coney Island – Stillwell Avenue (New York City Subway) - Four platforms under a single roof and with a shared headhouse
 * So it seems that, with the exception of West 4th and Coney Island, all of the stations are either cross-platform interchanges of two separate lines, or they are bi-level stations with one line splitting off the other. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 15:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the correct way is to subtract Coney Island 3 times and add 1 for Canal Street (BMT Broadway Line) and 1 for Chambers St - WTC, that are considered to be 2 stations each. Vcohen (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * When I counted these stations, Canal Street and Chambers/WTC were double-counted already; otherwise, the number would have been two less, or 481. Subtracting Coney Island three times from the figure of 483 would give us 480 stations, which leaves eleven station complexes that are counted as a single station. In that case, two or three of the stations above are already counted the appropriate number of times per MTA standards. Excluding Lexington/63rd, which is still one station, the figure is 479, which leaves ten stations unaccounted for. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * First of all, the official numbers are here. We have to figure out why your numbers don't match them. Vcohen (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like there are 4 extra stations in Manhattan, 9 in Brooklyn, and 3 in Queens that I shouldn't have added. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's see:
 * Manhattan: 50th, 145th, Chambers/WTC, and Canal (4 extra stations)
 * Brooklyn: Hoyt-Schermerhorn, Jay-MetroTech, DeKalb, Prospect Park, West 8th, Coney Island (3x), and probably Borough Hall (9 stations)
 * Queens: Queensboro Plaza, Sutphin-JFK, Jamaica Center (3 stations)
 * This may account for the 16-station discrepancy, though I may be missing something. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 00:23, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Manhattan: 50th, 145th, Seventh, West 4th. I am not sure about Brooklyn, but Borough Hall is certainly two stations. Vcohen (talk) 10:19, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Did you count the whole Jay Street – MetroTech complex as one station? Vcohen (talk) 12:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I actually counted the two IND stations as one station, and the BMT station as a separate station. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 13:57, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Then I have no idea. Is there anything in the List of New York City Subway stations in Brooklyn that you don't agree with? Vcohen (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No, but Canal and Chambers-WTC could be incorrectly counted once instead of twice, and then West 4th and Boro Hall are correctly counted twice. But that doesn't explain how there are 148 stations in Manhattan, rather than 146. I can't find a page on the MTA's website that shows exactly how many stations are in each borough. Kylo Ren (talk) 18:50, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * West 4th is one. I can't either. When I say there are 469 stations, I count them by infoboxes in our articles in the following way: 1. If an article has one infobox, it's counted as one station. 2. If an article has multiple infoboxes, the first one describes the whole complex (type = complex) and the rest are counted as one station each. 3. Chambers-WTC and Canal add one station each. I don't remember how I got to this method. The map shows Canal as one station, 14th/Eighth as one, 14th/Sixth as one, and so on. However, my method does give us 469. Vcohen (talk) 19:48, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * So, in stations with one line (e.g. Roosevelt Island), we count the number of infoboxes on the top of the page. And on station complexes like Jay Street – MetroTech, we count the number of infoboxes for the individual stations, unless the stations are combined into a single infobox, like Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets. Now I think I know how 469 stations are derived, then. Kylo Ren (talk) 15:38, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets is one station and has one infobox, no matter that it serves two lines. Vcohen (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

The following dialogue was originally posted on my talk page. It has been moved here for clarity and for further comments, if any more comments are needed. Specifically, comments on how many stations the MTA forgot to count. Any feedback is appreciated. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 17:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Also, if Lexington-63rd is indeed counted by the MTA as a single station, there will be stations when the Second Avenue Subway opens, not  as I thought. We will see, since there would actually be stations by MTA standards ( when the SAS opens). Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 17:29, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Help needed for dead urls
There are some links to www.mta.info/* that have been broken for two years now. Any help to change them to web.mta.info/* would be greatly appreciated. I've started on some. Kylo Ren (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As of this posting, there are hundreds of dead links in article space, of which I've fixed about 200. Any help is welcomed. Thanks. Kylo Ren (talk) 01:28, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll try to search for as many of them I can, but for the time being, I'm going to bed. -User:DanTD (talk)  05:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The mainspace links that need to be fixed start at about #160 on this list. Kylo Ren (talk) 22:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Graffiti at Rockville Centre (LIRR station)
Nearly four years ago, I went on a photographic rampage at Rockville Centre (LIRR station), as well as other parts of the Village of Rockville Centre. Among my pics was one of a sign at the station with the supplemental sign for Molloy College, and a little bit of offensive graffiti. Should I make a new version of that pic without the graffiti? -User:DanTD (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Like this? It doesn't need to be censored as per WP:NOTCENSORED, but I guess in this case, censoring the offensive graffiti doesn't distract from the picture. Kylo Ren (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, I wasn't considering a censored replacement. Just a new version that is censored, like the one you made. Of course I would've hidden the "kill" part too. -User:DanTD (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I can also censor the "kill" part if you wish. Kylo Ren (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. The whole point of the censored version would've been to have no trace of the graffiti. -User:DanTD (talk) 00:03, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've also cropped the "kill part. Regards, Kylo Ren (talk) 15:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Park Place Street View
I found something unusual while I was updating the article for the Park Place (BMT Franklin Avenue Line) station. This street view is from 2007 and has a large censored-out patch right next to the picture of the station entrance (and it is censored out from every other vantage point you can navigate to). There is no alternate street views from this vantage point, and you can't see footage from any other years, as it has been removed. By contrast, you can see footage all the way to 2014 on the surrounding streets. Does anyone know why? This is an unblurred view from almost exactly the same vantage point as the Google Street View is. Otherwise, if no one knows why that building on the right of the station house is censored, this is just an unusual occurrence. Kylo Ren (talk) 03:26, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * And this is a 3D view. Again, I don't know why that place is censored, but it looks weird, especially on Google Maps Street View. After all, Google Street View privacy concerns probably don't extend to NYC subway stations... Kylo Ren (talk) 03:56, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the building. I saw another Street View without blur that does not exist now. I think it's a request of the building's owner. Vcohen (talk) 08:24, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. I think the view was blurred at the property owner's request, too, so that's why all the newer views were removed. This came to my attention only because I remembered seeing a newer Street View of the station before, without any blur. Anyway, thanks again. Kylo Ren (talk) 12:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Unspacing the en dashes
See discussion started at User_talk:Epicgenius by me. Continue here if more needs to be said. We're working toward implementing what the naming conventions have said for the last four years about spaces around dashes. Dicklyon (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

New source found
I was searching for sources on the MTA website for information about the R110As, and I found this interesting link [ ] that I think can be useful for many articles in this wikiproject.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

The Q70 bus
There is an article on the Q70 bus here, but it doesn't seem to have a picture. I see Q70 buses pass by my bus stop practically every day, but I can't take pictures of Q70 buses – or anything, for that matter – because I don't really have a suitable camera (I don't have my iPad anymore to take pictures with, and my phone has neither memory nor a good camera). Is anyone generous enough to take a picture of the Q70 and post it to Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia? Thanks in advance. Kylo, Rey, &#38; Finn Consortium (talk) 19:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Vcohen (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Spaces
Hello all,

I am forced to remove a category from the NYCS time 2 template. The reason is that the NYCS trains template is based on counting spaces in NYCS time 2 (if there is a space in the service list, then it concludes that there are more than one service and returns the word trains, otherwise it returns the word train), and that category unfortunately adds more spaces. We have to solve this problem, till then please see my solution as temporary. Vcohen (talk) 07:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This solution looks better... Vcohen (talk) 07:55, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

New York City Transit Authority annual reports
I just bought the New York City Transit Authority annual reports for 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961 and 1963. This is a time period often looked over in the history of the subway. Once they arrive, I should be able to add references and historical information from them.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:56, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Animations
Hello all,

I have created two animations to illustrate two traffic patterns. What's missing? What's wrong? Vcohen (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The animations are really good. I'd suggest adding a note to the documentation, however. Sometimes, trains may be purposely held back, either due to delays or (less commonly) to maintain even spacing between trains, so these are not always accurate. Otherwise, the quality of these GIFs is very good. epicgenius (talk) 22:26, 4 August 2016 (UTC)