Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand/Performing Arts Aotearoa

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Fjjulien (talk) 22:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Congrats on getting all this organised!
I have some suggestions which I'm happy to work on: Category:New Zealand orchestras · Royal New Zealand Ballet · Conductors: Marc Taddei, improve existing · Find/take photos of people, venues, · Wikidata SOUNZ ID data upload Jon (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks - great.  is also planning some things in the orchestra area so together hopefully you will make a good difference. Please register to the dashboard Commons, so I can report on your efforts and what has been achieved. I am planning some overview articles so there is something to link to, and I will let people know of any available images in your interest areas. Pakoire (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

New Wikipedia pages
I've been adding new/expanded Wikidata items to the Google spreadsheet with gusto, but wasn't sure where you want to record new Wikipedia pages? Sorry if I missed it! I've just published Rosalie Carey.-DrThneed (talk) 11:46, 15 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Great . I have a spreadsheet linked on project page (and below) that I have just added Rosalie Carey to. Maybe we need a different format for new articles. Carry on and I will keep thinking about the admin / coordination! Great article - many thanks.


 * https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZU6FUa5RrS1-tSQMo3sCngJ95-5-WJswr1zv-yBmigw/edit#gid=0

Suggestions for Wikipedia pages
Hi all, I worked on an upload of performing arts data from Flanders (Belgium). From this dataset, there are 14 people with New Zealand as country of citizenship (see query). Some items, even the new ones, have been quite enriched by the community in the last two years (e.g. Lisa Densem). Beireke1 (talk) 09:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this - good to see especially the choreographers. Pakoire (talk) 03:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Opera stuff getting done
I just created Wellington City Opera,, , , , , and. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 10:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice work! I wish there was any good written history about Orchestra Wellington... there's some good stuff about the NZSO I have collecting dust on the bookshelf though. — Jon (talk) 12:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Great Giantflightlessbirds. I have a book 'Ring Down the Curtain' by NZ Opera Company chairperson Phyllis Brusey. I will email the section that lists their productions. I will make an enquiry Jon with Orchestra Wellington. There must be something surely! Pakoire (talk) 03:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I noted a recent Stuff article by Bess Manson on the Talk page for me to revisit later, which hints at some material. Jon (talk) 03:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 20 June
Many thanks to all who have contributed so far. There are 28 new Wikipedia articles and over 500 new Wikidata entries. The Kia Mau Festival mini edit-a-thon happened with useful learning for me about what seems simple and what is possible. I am proud of the persistence of editors – a much improved article for Audrey Brown-Pereira for example, a new article for The Māori Sidesteps and lots of links from performance UPU to various poets. And many Wikidata entries.

You can now link to the project page through my website (http://www.lisamaule.info). Easier to remember and google-able (Wikiproject Lisa) if you want to direct other people where to look.

Things to do:

•	DEEPEN CONTENT: Have a look at the new articles on the project page: User:Pakoire/Performing Arts Aotearoa - Wiki Project. Many can be expanded including with this resource: Theatre Aotearoa database https://tadb.otago.ac.nz/theatre

•	LINKABLE ARTICLES: Create articles for a venue, a company or a festival. This will help facilitate biographies being linked to other articles. Suggestions on project page.

•	KEEP GOING with your own area. Let me know what you are up to. See my new research google doc (linked on the project page) – feel free to comment if you need something (ask me for permission to edit)

•	IMPROVE ANY ARTICLE on any performing arts topic, theatre, dance, venues – feel free to use my suggestions as a starting point and then going where it takes you. Reach out for suggestions in your area of interest, or ideas for research. I am a subject expert which helps with searching, and now have a pool of academics and others who I can ask too.

Examples of articles to get formatting ideas:

•	New Zealand Opera

•	Dunedin Writers & Readers Festival

•	Bangarra Dance Theatre

•	Hugo Weaving

•	Tusiata Avia

•	Kia Mau Festival

•	Circa Theatre

•	New Zealand Festival of the Arts

•	Raewyn Hill

Very simple stub articles:

•	Eagles Theatre

•	Camden Fringe

DIARY the three in person edit-a-thons now scheduled 10am - 4pm:

Dunedin Saturday 10 July (location tbc) - topic Allen Hall and contemporary companies in Dunedin

Auckland Saturday 14 August (location tbc) - topic Auckland Women in performing arts

Wellington Saturday 21 August (Nola Millar Library, Te Whaea) - topic Toi Whakaari and New Zealand School of Dance alumni

Many thanks – do what you can (might be nothing, might just be one citation) and take care, Lisa

Updated Auckland WikiCon attendees about the project and promoted the 14 August event
Hi Lisa,

I promoted your project at the Auckland WikiCon this past weekend and informed them of the Auckland Edit-a-thon. I'm just about to email attendees to thank them for coming to the WikiCon and to remind them about forward events. If you've got a time and a location for the Auckland edit-a-thon can you update this page as there should be a few people checking up on it in the next few days. Einebillion (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

August September 2021 Edited Updates
Many thanks to all who have contributed so far. Half way through. There are two more scheduled edit-a-thons as part of this project: Auckland on Saturday 14 August 10.30am - 4pm on Auckland women in performing arts. Wellington on Saturday 21 Augusts 10.30am - 4pm on staff and graduates of Toi Whakaari and the New Zealand School of Dance.

Examples of articles to create: Tanea Heke, Turid Revfeim, Taiaroa Royal, Taane Mete, Sarah Foster-Sproull, Paul Mathews, Dolina Wehipeihana, Miriama McDowell, Cathy Downes, Elizabeth Whiting Examples of articles to improve: New Zealand School of Dance, Hori Ahipene, Mitch Tawhi Thomas, The New Zealand Dance Company, Pop-up Globe Add suggested articles to the project pages or get in touch with me. A Women in Red (WIR) August campaign is Indigenous women and there are heaps on my list so if you create or improve these articles be sure to tag WIR on the talk page. Pakoire (talk) 09:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE WIKIPEDIA There are now 31 new Wikipedia articles reported on the project page that include 19 new biographies, 14 of these about women and six are of people of colour (three Māori people). Keep up the good work. Keep seeking out women and people of colour to celebrate through Wikipedia. WIKIDATA The targets specified in this project for Wikidata were exceeded within the first week of the project with the concerted efforts of two editors. A Wikidata item was created to track entries. Performing Arts Aotearoa New Zealand (Q106787482). With claims of ethnicity the policy is to include references from a biography, interview or personal website. Ethnicity of white people is strongly encouraged to be included where this information is available. Māori is listed and then also iwi (tribe/s).

COI Conflict of interest (COI) is an area of consideration for editing in performing arts, since most subject experts are also practicing arts and producers. The edit-a-thon / meetup format was useful and people worked on unrelated articles but in tandem with others who knew where to get information.

IMAGES There is more work to do to create opportunities to upload images to Wikimedia Commons under appropriate licences, as predicted this involves a lot of education with individuals and organisations as well as motivating people to follow through. Take some pics of a local entertainment venue and upload them. Music venues, amateur arts, town hall, converted theatre, you would be surprised what isn’t there.

SUPPORT All edits count - reach out if you need help or guidance and many thanks for any contribution you can make.

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 19 August
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Updates through Aug and Sep (edited for brevity for this talk page). These went to editors who were part of the project:

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 04 August
A short update this time. The project has created 74 new Wikipedia articles and improvements to many. An example is one person has been working through improving and creating notable composers of New Zealand which is a great enhancement to Wikipedia. There is a now a regular meetup happening in Ōtepoti.

The COVID19 status of New Zealand means the next workshop is fully online. Wellington Saturday 21 August Thanks for adding yourself to the project page. Remember to sign up to the dashboard too. You can join into the zoom (link below) – come to the introduction at 10.30am, pop into the ‘Tearoom’ to say hello to others and informally ask questions. You can also work by yourself.

Here is a google doc with suggested articles categories as 'dance' and 'theatre' with links to references. You can make suggestions with comments.


 * Articles to develop Performing Arts Aotearoa google doc

WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 08 September
The Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject officially ends in 2 days. I am happy with the momentum that has built since the project started. Many thanks to everybody who was able to contribute.

There are 99 new articles listed on the project page. Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject Pakoire (talk) 02:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If there are others not listed please can you update.
 * If you have a draft waiting to be moved into main space please list it too (or move it)

Daniel Belton nominated for deletion
Daniel Belton's bio has been nominated for deletion, which seems laughable to me, but you can't take anything for granted on Wikipedia, so please feel free to chime in on the discussion page. DrThneed (talk) 06:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks DrThneed for flagging this. I have to say I often find it difficult to decide on AFDs but this is an easy one :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 08:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes thanks DrThneed. I can see the result was a 'speedy keep'. Pakoire (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

afterburner nominated for deletion
the afterburner page has been nominated for deletion - without more and better sources, I can't see it surviving, but if anyone knows of any please chip in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Afterburner_(theatre_production_company) DrThneed (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @DrThneed I've had a look, but apart from the Theatreview page mentioned by HTGS, the only other source I've found is this Dom Post article which mentions Dark Matter being nominated for a couple of 2017 Wellington Theatre Awards. That doesn't add much to notability, unfortunately. Maybe someone else can do better. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:12, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I've put the word out there - there might be some academic papers - but perhaps this article will end up being a case model to advocate for critique in the public of all arts being an important part of maintaining heritage. Pakoire (talk)


 * Thank you both for your efforts. I knew when I wrote it that it was a bit of a risky one, given that paucity of sources (although I was hoping one of you might find a fantastic one I missed!). Someone really needs to do a decent profile of Marty! DrThneed (talk) 08:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Added some new music-related things
I've added Orpheus Choir of Wellington (stub, infobox, logo); fixed up City Choir Dunedin (infobox, refs using cite Q and Papers Past); and I'd like to add Wellington Opera (see website for more) but ran out of time because I'm down several rabbit holes about weird relations of the saxophones: sarrusophones, rothphones and the tárogató. Nope, I'd never heard of them either...! Cheers — Jon (talk) 11:56, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Great work. Interesting to see the Orpheus Choir has been going since the ages ago! I have added them to the lists. Enjoy your instrument research. Pakoire (talk) 03:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers! I've now added Wellington Opera as well, and will bulk it and Orpheus out with reviews and sources over the next while. — Jon (talk) 08:06, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

The Big Idea nominated for deletion
Kia ora koutou! It's not directly related to this project, but The Big Idea (website) has been nominated for deletion. The discussion page is here. I have already voted and said that my view is delete because unfortunately I can't find any sources supporting notability, but I thought it was worth flagging here as potentially those who are interested in the performing arts project may have additional thoughts. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 00:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As a website that profiles performing arts organisations and opportunities The Big Idea fits this project & thanks for posting it here. I have done a quick search and not found additional published reliable sources unrelated to the organisation. Pakoire (talk) 03:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)