Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force

Template:Arthurian Legend
Arthurian Legend has been requested to be renamed, see template talk:Arthurian Legend -- 76.65.130.165 (talk) 11:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Fantasy worlds, fictional universes
Under what should be under ? What under and perhaps in turn under ?

Some current instances: Harry Potter universe is in both cats fantasy worlds and fictional universes. Middle-earth is in cat fantasy worlds but is called a "fictional universe setting" in its lead sentence; Tolkien's legendarium is in cat fictional universe but its lead sentence makes it a set of writings. is in cat fantasy worlds but a map of Oz (image) is our primary illustration for the Fictional universe article. --P64 (talk) 01:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Why not just, Wikipedia: WikiProject Fantasy
Why is this WikiProject special page not just WikiProject Fantasy? Would it not be just as easy to have a WikiProject effort that pertains to Fantasy no matter what the medium may be? For one thing, the fact that it took me more than a couple seconds to find this specific category, WikiProject Novels/Fantasy, was a tad annoying. If you search WikiProject Fantasy in wikipedia's SE or even in Google, you very seriously do not get linked to this page at all. Furthermore, a couple fantasy articles apparently consider themselves, perhaps mistakenly, under the reins of Category:WikiProject Fantasy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Fantasy), but obviously WP:FANTASY does not truly exist.

Briefly skimming this talk page, I did not see any discourse related to the removing of the unnecessarily specific "Novels/" aspect of this category, but as an outside observer, I highly recommend this be at least considered.

I did see in the case of the Harry Potter films, for instance, that "This article is within the scope of WikiProject Novels", but there actually is absolutely no WikiProject directly associated with fantasy that seems to be involved with the Harry Potter film related articles. While I appreciate that many fantasy films are based on some sort of fantasy novel that preceded it, making it within the scope of Novels/Fantasy, there unquestionably exist films with original screenplays that technically would not fit under this technicality. For example, Labyrinth is a fantasy film not based on a book. The Talk Page for Labyrinth only contains references to the American and British film task forces. While the Labyrinth article is genuinely quite good, other articles for fantasy films not based on books could definitely benefit from the expertise of the Fantasy task force. Examples include:

The_Craft_(film)

Lady_in_the_Water

The_Fall_(2006_film)

Legend (film)

The City of Lost Children

I am well aware that none of you know me and that I have only recently started contributing to Wikipedia again after a long hiatus. But I still propose that WikiProject Fantasy be brought to life, with its scope being all articles that pertain to fantasy no matter the form of media. I do believe that WP:SciFi has this very goal, dealing with Science Fiction very generally. I thought it quite peculiar indeed that many articles such as those for the Lord of the Rings films are under the scope of no project whose mission broadly involves excellence in Fantasy-related articles.

If the name is perhaps due to some tradition for which I am unaware of, I do apologize. Moreover, I want to make it clear that I have no intention to insult or disrespect any of you in this fine task force who put in what I know is a significant amount of effort into making Fantasy related articles on Wikipedia good articles.

I simply have limitless amounts of adoration for fantasy (and science fiction) in all vessels that it may come in, and I am sure many of you hold these feelings within you, as well. I just think a more organized group with a broader scope that improves all fantasy related articles on Wikipedia will not only have a more efficient time at their goals, but will also better recruit those, such as myself, who may wish to contribute their own efforts into making Wikipedia the best it can be.

Thanks for reading. lethalenoki (talk) 22:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Discussion at WP:CFD may uncover the history of Category:WikiProject Fantasy and the nonexistent corresponding wikiproject, if no one here knows it.


 * Harry Potter. Only a few months ago, the Harry Potter Wikiproject (all media) was converted to a Novels Wikiproject task force and its talk page (with 13 archives) moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Harry Potter task force. --converted in July but not yet listed as a Novels task force --
 * (interjection) At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Navigation, I have noted last summer's redirection of WP: HP to a WP Novels task force. That template WPNOVELS needs update for HP task force and perhaps others, if it/they are official. --P64 (talk) 15:52, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The main reason for shutdown, i understand, was inactivity that was expected to continue because the film series is now complete and no more Potterverse writing by Rowling is expected soon. The May proposal specified WP Novels or WP Media (evidently intending WP Media franchises) as a target; not WP Film. There is some discussion on the linked WP HP talk page. Note that another editor might prefer WP Media franchises but that is inactive (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Media franchises only four comments during 2012; no mention of WP HP); I might prefer WP Children's literature but that is much less active (Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Children's literature from 2006-06; with three archives). WP Novels is more active (Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Novels from 2002-10; 16 archives).
 * -- re Harry Potter, however, Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Novels archive 16 includes three July/August notes all by User:George Ho who proposed and executed the conversion to a task force. It seems that the incorporation of WP HP was not discussed here.


 * (FYI, WP: WikiProject Animals in media was created at about the same time, expanded from a proposal for WP Animal literature. Three people supported but no others have joined.)


 * Science fiction. Existence of WP Science fiction WP: SF alongside WP Novels/Science fiction, while Fantasy is only a novels task force, has fostered some anomalies, I believe. I have not found much illuminating discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Science fiction task force (from 2007-02; no archives) or at WP SF (from 2006-12) --whose talk is divided between Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Science fiction (with two archives) and WikiProject Science Fiction/Discussion Forum (with one archive).
 * --P64 (talk) 21:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Fantasy now redirects to this task force (as does WikiProject Fantasy fiction). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 06:23, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Kit Whitfield
Today Kit Whitfield was deleted as an expired PROD while I was checking the backlinks. Whitfield is listed on World Fantasy Award for Best Novel but only as being nominated in 2010. What irks me at this point is that this makes Whitfield the only redlinked author at the featured World Fantasy Award for Best Novel. Also what got my attention was that it was an SPA placing the PROD and an IP was quick to remove incoming links after the article was deleted. I also left a note with the deleting admin who responded [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMiniapolis&diff=608243217&oldid=608227569 favouring deletion but not minding me undeleting]. What do the experts say? Is there a chance of a rescue, or is it best left buried? Agathoclea (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Kit Whitfield is a known author in fantasy publishing, but she doesn't publish as frequently as most authors. I'm not sure what sources there are that talk about her. I found a couple, but haven't been able to check how credible they are. There is an SSFWorld interview with her and then there is her World Fantasy Award nomination and she had a Locus award nomination. Her book In Great Waters seems like it could easily have enough sources for an article. I would rather have an article on the book first then an article on the author, but I think an article on Kit Whitfield could happen. Edit Ferret (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There is always the option to bundle in the novel and the author into one page, and split them later as the content gets too unwieldy. We have a number of author pages floating around like that, Sadads (talk) 17:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Notice re: RFC: Are fictional characters people or objects?
There is an RfC concerning whether it is appropriate to use pronouns such as "he", "she", or "who" when referring to fictional characters in out-of-universe portions of articles. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:46, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The discussion has since been archived here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 48 V2Blast (talk) 01:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

The Isle of Octavia AfD
This series has been nominated for deletion here. I'd normally argue for deletion, but since it was tagged with the project's template, I thought I better ask here whether it's notable enough to be included here or whether someone's tagged it in error. LS1979 (talk) 19:12, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, even if it is decided that it is not notable, that wouldn't mean it was tagged in error. Tagging just means it is in the scope of the project; it's a separate question from notability. (That being said, members of this task force are good to weigh in on the notability question.) Lady  of  Shalott  20:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, understood. I made the comment on the AfD that it looks like self-published work and therefore probably not particularly notable. LS1979 (talk) 21:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:Novels/Fantasy task force articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 19:46, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

More eyes on Brandon Sanderson
We need more eyes on Brandon Sanderson. Thanks. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 18:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

"King of Hell"
The usage and primary topic of is under discussion, see talk:King of Hell (disambiguation) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Are personal pronouns (including "who") to be avoided for fictional characters?
Please take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:09, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Merge of Fantasy literature into Fantasy
Please comment on stale proposal: Request received to merge articles: Fantasy literature into Fantasy; Fantasy literature is a pretty small article, and its scope could easily be incorporated into Fantasy with a little expansion work. Both articles tagged and discussion started >>>HERE<<<. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 13:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC) Thanks.

Shannara trilogy discussion
Please come over here to participate. Thanks. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 01:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Utah SF/F writers and works competition
Hi WikiProject Fantasy, I'm hosting a Wikipedia writing contest for new and improved pages for Utah SF/F writers and their works. You're welcome to join us and participate via the linked contest page. Let me know if you have any questions. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:38, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for comments
See Talk:A Wizard of Earthsea. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Warriors (novel series)
Warriors (novel series), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 23:37, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

RRTF is hosting an Edit-A-Thon
Announcing RRTF's second annual Edit-A-Thon! The event is being held June 23 through July 28 in honor of author Rick Riordan's June birthday and author/illustrator John Rocco's July birthday. The focus of the edit-a-thon will be on expanding Wikipedia's coverage of these two authors in an encyclopedic manner.

The Edit-A-Thon is open to all Wikipedia users - you do not need any experience with Riordan, Rocco, or RRTF! Help is needed in a variety of areas, including referencing, copyediting, and new page creation. Prizes will be given for first, second, and third place and will consist of a barnstar and Amazon gift card. To enter, please visit this page. The winners will be announced by July 31.

More information on rules and scoring can also be found on the contest page. Questions about the subject material should be left on the RRTF forums. Questions about the contest should be left on the contest Q&A. Good luck and happy editing! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Darkover and Darkover series
I'd appreciate some comments on the Talk pages, please. I'd like opinions about how I am doing. I have stated guidelines for these articles and I am revising them accordingly. Wastrel Way (talk) Wastrel Way (talk) 22:10, 26 September 2019 (UTC) Eric


 * I broke my rule against joining and joined. The Darkover article is nearly done. Darkover series still needs some work, but I am slowly progressing. I wonder if the low importance and C-class could be upgraded since Darkover has so many fans. Wastrel Way (talk) 22:10, 26 September 2019 (UTC) Eric


 * Those 2 articles seem to include way too much unencyclopedic detail for Wikipedia that might be better suited to an external wiki devoted to the series/franchise; some of it seems like it could be useful for fans, but most of it's not really suited to Wikipedia. The "notes" sections especially are also full of original research. I took a stab at removing the latter, but there's still a lot of excessive detail in the Darkover article (though I did remove some of the subsections that were just indiscriminate lists of phrases and expressions); the same is true to a lesser extent in the Darkover series article. (I'm not sure whether the Darkover setting is even independently notable enough to warrant its own article, but I'm no expert on that subject.) V2Blast (talk) 02:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Notice of re-proposal to merge all volumes of The Lord of the Rings to its main article
The AfD suggesting merge/delete and redirect has closed, and another discussion about merging all three LotR volumes' articles into The Lord of the Rings has now opened at Talk:The Lord of the Rings, as of February 4. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:08, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Name spacing discussion
Please come participate in the discussion at Talk:R. R. Virdi. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 15:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Novels/Fantasy task force articles needing expert attention has been nominated for discussion
Category:Novels/Fantasy task force articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

List of fantasy worlds has been nominated for deletion
List of fantasy worlds has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Articles for deletion/List of fantasy worlds. Thank you. Daranios (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Fantasy article alert reports
I noticed that many WikiProjects have Article Alert reports ("automated subscription-based news delivery"). Example: WP:WikiProject Science Fiction. I thought this might be useful, so I added the fantasy task force to AAlertBot's list.

The bot should create the sub-page WP:WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force/Article alerts in a day or two. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 11:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC on whether and how to cover J. K. Rowling's trans-related views in the lead of her article
Please see: Talk:J. K. Rowling

I am "advertising" this RfC more broadly to relevant pages because someone selectively notified three socio-political wikiprojects that are likely to vote-stack the RfC with a single viewpoint, and the article already has a long history of factional PoV editwarring.

Central matters in this discussion and the threads leading up to it are labeling of Rowling, labeling of commenters on Rowling, why Rowling is notable, what is due or undue in the lead section, and whether quasi-numeric claims like "many", "a few", etc. in this context are legitimate or an OR/WEASEL issue. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The idea that WikiProject Feminism or WikiProject Women Writers are likely to vote-stack the RfC with a single socio-political viewpoint seems self-satirizing, at least to me. But by all means, we do need fresh eyes on the lead of the arrivle, which has seen much whitewashing and FALSEBALANCE POV-based editing. Newimpartial (talk) 02:18, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice re J. K. Rowling
An editor has nominated J. K. Rowling for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:08, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for J. K. Rowling
There are three Featured Article Save Award nominations at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/J. K. Rowling/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  23:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Women of the Otherworld
Hello, WikiProject,

It would be great if someone who knew more about tables and content creation than I could look over and fix this messed-up article. It probably just needs a few curly brackets in the right place. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 21:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like fixed it here. ··· 日本穣  ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 19:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

ELNEVER policy violations throughout the Harry Potter articles
See discussion and list here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  17:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Fantasy Cartography
Hello WP:Novels and Fantasy Task Force, I'm currently working on the page Fantasy Cartography and would greatly appreciate any help/feedback to improve the article! I'm working on it as part of my undergraduate degree - I'm taking a course in wikipedia editing so this is my fist serious foray into the wikipedian community. --Twomatters (talk) 01:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

References subpage
I've created WP:FANTASYREFS with a list of good fantasy sources and their availability; this is an offshoot of the science fiction list discussed at WT:WikiProject Science Fiction. Please feel free to expand it, reorganize or suggest improvements. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 22:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

The trainwreck at Afro-Surrealism
Please see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject African diaspora. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:32, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

History of fantasy / Tolkien and the history of fantasy / Tolkien's influence on fantasy
Recently there have been some edits to these pages, including moving History of fantasy to Tolkien and the history of fantasy and large-scale rewrites. I'm not entirely sure what's going on, but it seems better to discuss here to avoid messing up the edit history further.

What do you think? And what are your plans?


 * CohenTheBohemian, I've reverted the article to how it was before I touched it, and restored its name at that time, History of fantasy. I won't edit it again. Of the materials I added, a small amount on the "input to Tolkien" side has been inserted with attribution into the existing article Tolkien's modern sources where they fit well. Of the "output from Tolkien" side material, I've cut it down and pasted it, again with full attribution, to Tolkien's impact on fantasy. I believe this leaves the WikiProject Novels/Fantasy article exactly as before, and updates WikiProject Middle-earth with the usable parts of the new material. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I saw your message on my talk page, and just wanted to reply here to say that I'm glad we've sorted things out. Tolkien's impact on fantasy is a necessary part of both the Middle-earth and Fantasy WikiProjects and I'm pleased you've found a home for your hard work. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Does anyone else have ideas? CohenTheBohemian (talk) 13:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Article for deletion: Contemporary fantasy
I've just listed this page for deletion. If you have comments, please leave them at the deletion discussion: Articles_for_deletion/Contemporary_fantasy CohenTheBohemian (talk) 11:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

J.K.Rowling
I have nominated J. K. Rowling for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 17:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)