Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Harry Potter task force/Archive 13

Improvement Drive update!
Well, well we started the drive in August, the project had one featured list and nine Good articles, with the goal of creating on new featured article and 9 new good articles. And we now have 3 Featured articles, and 13 Good articles!!! Congratulations everyone! As we keep pushing foreword, here were some of the articles suggested for improvement to get us those final 5 Good articles before the new year;

FOR FA
 * Emma Watson
 * Harry Potter fandom
 * Harry and the Potters

FOR GA
 * Severus Snape
 * Ginny Weasley
 * Luna Lovegood
 * Albus Dumbledore
 * Ronald Weasley
 * Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows- trim plot and renominate, should be easy

Congratulations everyone!!

At what "time" are the article written
Was just looking at Order of the Phoenix (organisation) and the infobox says "Headquarters 	Current: The Burrow. Previously: 12 Grimmauld Place" This would mean the articles are written as it would be taking place right now. Wouldnt it just be better to list them both and not have "current, past" etc. &mdash; chandler &mdash; 10:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cruft cruft cruft cruft cruft cruft cruft cruft cruft To be honest it'd be better not to list them as if they were real facts at all. Happy‑melon 11:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well that's sorta true, though you could maybe have Grimmauld hp5-hp6 Burrow hp7 or something... Or just dont mention the burrow as it wasnt really headquarters in the same way ( at least the feeling I have). And even the HP wikia doesnt have the burrow in the infobox &mdash; chandler &mdash; 11:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Chandler, I'm going to fix it right now.--Lord Opeth (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Another article I looked at now. Supporting Harry Potter characters It has tree characters, Bathilda Bagshot, Frank Bryce and Viktor Krum, at least starting with Name was a x... all the others (except Mr Ollivander who starts in another fashion) are Name(s) is(are) a x.... Now Viktor Krum isn't  even dead in the last book, if that would be a factor (though Cedric Diggory "is" and he died in book 4). At least Bathilda Bagshots section seems to be written totally in the past form, She lived in Godric's Hollow, was an old family friend, Gellert Grindelwald was her great-nephew, Voldemort enchanted her decaying body etc. &mdash; chandler &mdash; 22:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  21:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal for Luna Lovegood and Neville Longbottom articles
An editor is attempting to merge the Luna Lovegood and Neville Longbottom articles into the Dumbledore's Army one. The editor tried to perform the merge with only 3 days of discussion on one talk page, no consensus achieved and no notification to this project. So now here's the notification. Discuss merge proposals here. --Oakshade (talk) 03:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I just want to make it clear, in case no one has noticed yet, that I'm the editor "attempting to merge" those articles. Some of you people in here may remember that I have performed dozens, if not hundreds of merges in the past, and none of them have been in bad faith or to damage the articles. The most recent merges such as Harry Potter and Leopard-Walk-Up-To-Dragon, Hogwarts houses, Patronus Charm, Hogwarts Express, Muggle Quidditch, The End of Harry Potter? have been performed without any problem and in a very short period of time, even when I have placed the proposal tag in every single article I have merged.


 * Also, if you look at the Archive 12, you may notice that I myself attempted to improve not only Neville and Luna's articles, but also Hagrid, Sirius, Draco, and Ginny, which were articles less improved than the 6 main characters. I asked for help to add comments from the author, the portrayers, and quotes about the characters to make (or create) "Character development" or "Concept and creation" section, and also "Attributes", which all of them lacked. I looked for quotes on these characters and I managed to create Attributes sections for Hagrid, Sirius, and Draco, but I couldn't find anything useful for Ginny, Neville, and Luna, just some comments from the "Accio Quote" website especially for Neville's article. Apart from another editor, no one else cared or even attempted to add more stuff to Neville and Luna'a article.


 * Since we began with the mergers of other really important characters (again: McGonagall, the twins or Lupin are clear examples), Neville and Luna have remained in short, only plot re-tell articles. If you only take a look to Harry or Snape's articles, both important and notable characters, you might get an idea of what I'm talking about. -- LøЯd  ۞pεth  16:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I would submit that we redirect the discussions here, so that any resolution/consensus arrived at has a little durability, as it would be a project-wide discussion and decision. Towards that end, I will port the discussions over in a new section below. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  12:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Can someone cleanup Lily Figg
It was created by a newbie editor. I've saved it from speedy deletion, but don't know what to do about it. Cheers. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 16:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's now been deleted twice, both times with criteria A7, indicating that the article was made out like a real person article. A Google search gives me her deleted article and a fanfic; a Windows Live seach gives me lists like "Evans, Lily Figg, Arabella Finnigan, Seamus Fletcher, Mondingus Flitwick, Filius". I've never heard of such a character, and if she is an actor in the films she is clearly not notable. As there is clearly no notability for this actor/character/whatever, in my opinion the article should remain deleted and no cleanup required. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  04:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter music is nominated for deletion
See Articles for deletion/Harry Potter music (2nd nomination). Dalejenkins | 12:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for multiple merges
From the recent issues arising out of the Luna Lovegood and Neville Longbottom articles regarding their proposed merge into a third article within the wikiproject, it would seem unwise to confine the discussion of these multiple merges on two (or, in the aforementioned case, three) different articles. The opportunities for redundant commentaries are rampant.

To that end, i would propose that merge discussions for multiple articles be discussed/redirected here, so as to involve the larger body of the wikiproject. I myself did this, and it seemed to draw more attention (and resolution) to the discussion than it would have in the largely redundant discussions occurring on the two pages being merged. Thoughts? - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  15:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Per WP:MERGE, merge proposals are to be discussed on the articles talk pages, not on a Wikiproject page. The appropriate merge tag for multiple merges, that the above user is proposing, is  This template will take up to 20 article names and looks like this:


 * This of course redirects the discussion to the single destination article talk page, not spreading them to multiple talk pages. Before Arcayne cut and pasted the merge discussions to this Wikiproject page, there were heavy discussions on the merges, but after those discussions were moved here, discussion suddenly ended (this was the "silence" of the "silence equals consent" mantra above).  That seems to indicate moving the merge proposals here is not a good idea.  If there is a method of linking the "discuss" wikilink in the tag directly to this Wikiproject page, I would have no objection.
 * That said, I think is it way too soon to open yet another merge proposal discussion. I'd say wait a few months at least.  --Oakshade (talk) 16:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Media franchises
Dear WikiProject Harry Potter participants...WikiProject Media franchises needs some help from other projects which are similar. Media franchises' scope deals primarily with the coordination of articles within the hundreds if not thousands of media franchises which exist. Sometimes a franchise might just need color coordination of the various templates used; it could mean creating an article for the franchise as a jump off point for the children of it; or the creation of a new templating system for media franchise articles. The project primarily focuses on multimedia franchises. It would be great if some of this project's participants would come over and help the project get back on solid footing. Also, if you know of similar projects which have not received this, let know. Please come and take a look at the project and see if you wish to lend a hand. You can sign up here if you wish. Thank you. LA @ 05:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Franchise naming convention discussion at WikiProject Media franchises
Dear WikiProject Harry Potter participants...WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA (T) @ 22:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of FreeContentMeta
FreeContentMeta, which is used in the HarryPotterWiki template, is under discussion. Please see template talk:FreeContentMeta to participate in this discussion. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter - A Class Review
Hi there,

I've been working on Harry Potter and was wondering if any of you could review it, to see if it meets the criteria for A-Class?

Thanks,

The  Helpful   One  (Review) 11:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that only GA and FA need to pass reviews by uninvolved editors, and pages that reach A-Class can be re-assessed anytime as editors see fit? Anyway, I'm sort of ignorant as to what A-Class means on Wikipedia. Nice work there. :) I'll see what I can do to assist. --PeaceNT (talk) 13:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for you comments - if you think that it is suitable for A-Class please rate it accordingly for me - I'd rather not rate an article that I've worked on as majorly as this. Thanks again, The   Helpful   One  (Review) 19:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of actors in WP Harry Potter
I've noticed that most of the actors in the films are included in this WikiProject. This is inappropriate, as the actors (as people) are not directly related to the subject. I'm proposing that we remove all of these articles from the WikiProject. Mr. Absurd (talk) 19:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the actors are related (albeit not directly in most cases) to the project. Actors like Emma Watson, Tom Felton, Katie Leung and many others are known mainly for their roles in the Harry Potter series. Also, members of Wikiproject Harry Potter have collaborated very well in the past on actors articles to promote them to FL, GA, FA, :) so the bottom line is that the inclusion of these article in WPHP is helpful when it comes to building the encyclopedia. There is no hard and fast rule about which articles a wikiproject can include after all. :) --PeaceNT (talk) 13:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's wonderful that members of this WP have worked on these articles, and I see your point, but it's not a valid reason. Articles about actors are about the actor; when someone is in a film, they are portraying a character. It's a job, and it's simply not related enough to warrant inclusion, as much as the Harry Potter film franchise may have influenced them. You also claim that it's helpful for building the enyclopedia, but that refers to the main article space, not talk pages and WikiProjects that the public in general doesn't see. As for organization, these articles are not exactly hard to find. — Mr. Absurd (talk) 01:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikiproject is first and foremost the place that helps coordinate and organize article editing, not categorize articles. The inclusion of actors articles in WPHP stimulates WPHP participants to keep an eye on these pages and improve them, as evidenced by past activities, which is why I made the claim about it being helpful for "building the encyclopedia". :) The fact that Category:WikiProject Harry Potter articles aren't put in the mainspace, but rather the talk page, makes the standard about what to or not to include in a wikiproject much less stringent. I see your point about inclusion of unrelated articles being incorrect, but so what? :) This causes no problem for the general readers, since they don't often look at our talk pages and wikiprojects. As I said, as long as this inclusion helps the editing, I don't see why it should be changed. I know there are wikiproject biography and wikiproject filmmakers for these articles, but those projects are surely less focussed on these articles than WPHP, and their inclusion sometimes seems more for the sake of categorizing pages. --PeaceNT (talk) 02:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition, you have Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain and Tom Welling as part of WikiProject Superman, as they are all actors that have played Superman. Now whether or not including who played Parvati Patil in PoA as part of the project can be debatable, but people that are high-profile and recognized first and foremost for their HP work (specifically Dan, Emma, and Rupert) must be included in this project. In addition, those actors that have been critically acclaimed for their work (such as Alan Rickman) also belong in this project. These are major roles for a major film franchise that currently is the most successful film franchise in cinema history. Anakinjmt (talk) 02:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Harry Potter
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Character templates in lists
Are character templates really needed in lists of characters such as Potter family, Weasley family, Hogwarts staff, Order of the Phoenix (organisation), Death Eater, Dumbledore's Army, and Supporting Harry Potter characters ? For most characters it only displays the first appearance and the portrayer (for those who have appeared in films). I think that the templates are rather useless in lists. We can add the info about portrayers within the character's section itself, and as for the appearance, it is not extremely necessary. Featured lists of characters like Characters of Kingdom Hearts, List of Naruto characters, or Characters of Final Fantasy VIII do not use templates. I am for keeping and using the templates only in individual articles (Harry, Hermione, Snape, etc.) Thoughts? -- LøЯd  ۞pεth  02:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree—if a template lists only first appearance and/or actor, it should be removed as redundant. Mr. Absurd (talk) 03:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter FAC
Hi there,

Just to let you know, Harry Potter is currently undergoing FAC located here, so you might want to update the project page. Also, do I just need to add the user box to join? Finally, is any one here an expert on the Harry Potter themes? Per this comment, the themes section needs expanding, so if anyone has any expertise in this area, I'd appreciate a hand!

Thanks,

The Helpful  One  Review 16:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey there. You don't need to do something especific to be part of the project: it is much more important to do stuff like that you have been doing. But you may want to add yourself to the participants' list, as well as using the userbox. I will go and look for more themes to improve the article. -- LøЯd  ۞pεth  00:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks - we have time to improve it now as the FAC failed... The  Helpful  One  Review 09:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:HPAFD/base
FYI, Template:HPAFD/base is a template stored on a template subpage. Template:HPAFD was deleted and now is available. Perhaps Template:HPAFD/base can be moved to Template:HPAFD so that the template no longer resides on a subpage having a non existent base page. On a bigger picture, you may be better off setting up a sub deletion page like WikiProject Video games/Deletion or WikiProject LGBT studies/Deletion as well as having a listing at WikiProject Deletion sorting. -- Suntag  ☼  13:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

DA logo
Could I rustle up some discussion as to the copyrightability of the DA logo here: File talk:Darmylogo.png —   pd_THOR  undefined | 05:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
There is a new merge proposal to merge the Luna Lovegood article into the Dumbledore's Army one. See discussion here. --Oakshade (talk) 17:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter in translation
I've cleaned up the article, added some new content, and nominated it for GA status. Anyone who hasn't edited this article substantially in the past could do the project a favor by reviewing it.  Graymornings (talk) 07:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Milestone Announcements
I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 (t, c) 21:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Remake Template:WPHP with Template:WPBannerMeta?
Perhaps time to remake WPHP to use WPBannerMeta, I would do it myself but I dont feel comfortable enough with WPBannerMeta to know that I get it right. &mdash; CHAN  DLER #10 &mdash; 18:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. &mdash; Delievered by §hepBot  ( Disable )  on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 05:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Revise Harry Potter Brand Worth
It is mentioned that Harry Potter has a brand worth 7 Billion Pounds or 15 Billion US Dollars. This seems incorrect, as the present currency conversion rate as of (Thursday 7:05am PST) is 7,000,000,000.00 GBP = 9,875,847,557.67 USD. Which is a bit far from 15 Million USD right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adheesh (talk • contribs) 15:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The current financial crisis doing I guess, it probably was like that 1 year ago or when it was written... If there is a update on the worth it might be best to leave out the USD. ch10 · 07:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Movie plots.
OK, we have a project with milion of users, at least 10 of them are serious and they are very hard-working and again we are not doing anything to make Harry Potter pages work again. Ok never mind that. I new here and I just have thing on my mind that I think we should discuss. The pages about Harry Potter movies are great, exepct maybe about the second one, but that doesn't matter. So, almost on evey page the plot about the movie is very very big and detailed but in some pages it isn't. I think we should make the plot big enough in every page. We all know that the movies are not identical with the books, because of that the movies have a different plot. The sixth movie will include few scenes that sren't in the book. The scene with Belatrix attacking Weasly's house, the scene with Luna saving Harry from the Slytherin compartment instead of Tonks etc. The same thing happend with the fifth movie. There were few scenes removed from the movie and some added or moved in different time. So lets discuss about what should section PLOT in the movies article contain and what should not. May it should be bigger, or maybe smaller, or very very big. Just simply lets discuss. ---Max(talk) 14:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would try and keep them as short as possible, linking to the book plot, all the changes don't have to be in the plot but rather in the "differences from the book" section. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (and the other two) I think those plot lengths are pretty good films of similar length... Everything doesn't have to be mentioned, and they have to be shorter than the books' plot section, just because there's much more in the books (WP:PLOTSUM should also be followed) ch10 · 14:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ок, great than! Lets make the "plot" and the "differences with the books" sections smaller or bigger (it depends). ---Max(talk) 12:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Chinese characters for Cho Chang's name - Where are they from?
The section of the "Dumbledore's Army" article about Cho mentions the name in Chinese characters as "張秋" - What part of the book states that? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Film Characters
I think we should put the characters in each of the film articles under subheadings. Like Hogwarts Teachers, Hogwarts students.... etc, or something like that. That's just a linear way to make the character section easier to read and stuff. See Twilight (2008 film) and Monsters_vs_Aliens for recent examples. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 10:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Article from the project is up for deletion
Chronology of the Harry Potter series is up for deletion. Please join in the debate at Articles for deletion/Dates in Star Wars (2nd nomination). Thanks, Dalejenkins | 23:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation
This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 07:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Wizard rock task force proposal
The idea of a Wizard rock WikiProject was proposed almost two years ago. Now that there are two more bands and a few more Harry and the Potters releases with articles, it would benefit to have a wizard rock task force. There just thirteen articles related to wizard rock, however the task force will not only be a place that improves these articles, but will also be a place to gather sources, build new articles in collaborative sandboxes and discuss uploading the mass of photographs related to wizard rock to WikiCommons (from Flickr). The task force will be under the umbrella of WikiProject Harry Potter.

To support, oppose or discuss the task force proposal, see here. Alex Douglas (talk) 10:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Order of Merlin
I propose a change the occurence of the word "his" in Template:Order of Merlin to be replaced with "their" or "an". Wikipedia should not have gender-exclusive awards. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hermione's Dittany
mentioned in DH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.131.211 (talk) 03:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

HP series plots
I'm generally inactive here, so you all must be surprised to see me. I have scanned all our articles on the HP books and the key problem seems to be the excessively long Plot summaries. We should all devote our time to removing intricate detail and restraining the summary to .5k. Regards, Pmlin  editor  10:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC).
 * Agreed. After a GA review, I worked on the plot for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and I believe it provides a good model for other plot summaries. The reviewer gave me the "template" of a summary, saying "there should be a sense of "the story so far" (one sentence summaries of each book), and then the summary of this book, perhaps 2-3 paragraphs, and then where this book fits into the sequence of a couple of story lines." This worked out pretty well for me. Also, a good two paragraph summary can be obtained from the main Harry Potter series page from the plot summary, and with tweaking it all works out. Malinaccier (talk) 21:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also see HPDH. Malinaccier (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw both the articles. Look forward to shortening and improving them. Also, good to see you here, Malinaccier (after seWP). Pmlin  editor  07:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good to see you too :). Malinaccier (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Ginny Weasley (character)
I don't know if many of you noticed, but the article Ginny Weasley (character) was recently created through copy from the Harry Potter wikia. I nominated the article for deletion, citing the coverage already existing at Dumbledore's Army, and the decidedly in-universe nature of the article. The outcome of the AfD was keep. Since then, an old revision of the original article at Ginny Weasley was copied/rewritten and pasted onto the new article at Ginny Weasley (character). There are many issues here. First of all, there is no reason for it to be titled such (with the "character"). Secondly, this opposes previous consensus that the article be merged into Dumbledore's Army. Lastly, as it stands, an entire set of revision history is lost at the article Ginny Weasley (character) after the copy&paste. It's hard for me to believe what a mess this has become, and I have started to feel conflicted in my interest after all this debate. I would like to build new consensus about where to proceed from here. Jujutacular talkcontribs 15:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ginny is a major character and she deserves her own article. However, if the article is a cp from the DA article, then it must be rewritten as otherwise it'll be a GFDL vio. I'll do this job by Spetember with help from other members. Thank you, Pmlineditor    Talk  15:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC).
 * No problem, and good luck to you. I'm going on vacation Face-grin.svg Jujutacular talkcontribs 15:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Other than the fact that she is Harry's love interest, she barely exists in the novels. Neville appears more often and with more lines than Ginny.  In fact, he is much more central and important to the plot, and he doesn't have his own article!  You could drop the Ginny character from a re-write and not affect the outcome of the books one iota except for Chamber of Secrets - and that could have been anybody that was used by Riddle's diary.  No, Ginny is in no way a major character by any stretch of the imagination.  As it is now, the Ginny character article is a rewrite from the original Ginny article before its move to the DA article.  I put that one back in because the one from the Harry Wiki was being used and it was decidedly NOT a good choice.  Also, not only was in a terrible article, it was longer than any other HP character article! She should be in the DA article only...that's my vote anyways Ccrashh (talk) 16:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I've moved Ginny Weasley (character) to Ginny Weasley.  Malinaccier ( talk ) 16:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... Now they redirect to each other? With all revision history gone? This is going from bad to worse. Jujutacular talkcontribs 16:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay revision history back *phew* Jujutacular talkcontribs 17:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * When I was moving it gave me a strange database error, but I've fixed it so no worries.  Malinaccier ( talk ) 17:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't lie I freaked out a tiny bit :) Thanks for the help. Jujutacular talkcontribs 17:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Harry Potter character GARs
As part of WikiProject Good Articles' Project quality task force, I have been re-reviewing GAs from pre-September 2007 to ensure continued compliance with current good article criteria; among them are several Harry Potter articles. This is a heads-up that I have delisted Harry Potter (character) and Lord Voldemort as not meeting criteria (and requiring more work than could be expected in a week period to improve them), and have placed Hermione Granger on hold (as the article has similar issues, but I think might be more easily resolved.) Hermione's GAR can be found here, but I encourage everyone to read the GARs for Voldemort and Harry Potter as well, as I'm basically harping on the same theme—there's too much plot and backstory, and not enough info about character development and cultural impact. Cheers, -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 17:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Minerva McGonagall
Some anonymous user keeps un-redir'ing the article despite the consensus on the project to have it redir. I've hit my 3RR limit trying to explain to him why s/he shouldn't do that, just notifying you. Q T C 12:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I reverted it for the first and possibly last time and left a message about 3RR on the IPs tp. If this continues, I'll ask for a block. Pmlineditor    Talk  12:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Harry Potter influences and analogues
I have done a GA Reassessment of Harry Potter influences and analogues as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found the article to be sound and to nearly meet the GA Criteria My two concerns were numerous dead links in the reference section and the lack of images. I have placed the article on hold for a week and I am notifying all interested projects and editors of this review. Should you have any questions or concerns regarding this review please contact me on my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 18:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Harry Potter and Hermione Granger
The articles Harry Potter (character) and Hermione Granger are not GA, they were, so please edit the Good Articles section. --Emiglex (talk) 20:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is now a good article. --Emiglex (talk) 20:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Need input at Talk:The Tales of Beedle the Bard
Let's just say things got kinda heated over there. It's just me and two other people going around and around and around. We need more input, especially considering one guy has already opened up a MedCab case regarding this issue. I'm convinced though that the members of WP:HP and WP:BOOK can reach a consensus. Anakinjmt (talk) 00:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes I'm happy to discuss this here. How do we start? Graemedavis (talk) 13:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, this is simply me letting people know they can go there. We shouldn't have the debate here. Anakinjmt (talk) 15:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Taboo
I just wanted to point out that not all magical enchantments are broken by the Taboo. It would seem that the Fidelius Charm is not broken by it, as the name is uttered by Harry in Grimmauld place (after the coup and after the incident in Tottenham Court Road, so the Taboo exists), yet Death Eaters are still not able to enter the building. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxibons (talk • contribs) 09:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Black Family Tree
I am not sure if this is still needed. Input is requested at Templates_for_discussion. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement
This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 03:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people
If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: Cleanup listings A list of examples is here
 * List of cleanup articles for your project

If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip
 * Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages"

If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip
 * Watchlisting all unreferenced articles

Ikip 02:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people
If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: Cleanup listings A list of examples is here
 * List of cleanup articles for your project

If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip
 * Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages"

If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip
 * Watchlisting all unreferenced articles

Ikip 02:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people
Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:

Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, nearly all wikiproject topics will be effected.

The two opposing positions which have the most support is:
 * 1) supports the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, User:Jehochman
 * 2) opposes the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, except in limited circumstances, User:Collect

Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.

Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced article if they are not sourced, so your project may want to pursue source these articles as soon as possible. See the next, message, which may help..

Tools to help your project with unreferenced Biographies of living people
If you don't already have this and are interested in creating a list of articles which need cleanup for your wikiproject see: Cleanup listings A list of examples is here
 * List of cleanup articles for your project

If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip
 * Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages"

If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip
 * Watchlisting all unreferenced articles

Ikip 02:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Harry Potter films' lead proposal
As a result of discussion at Talk:Harry_Potter_and_the_Deathly_Hallows_(film), I am proposing a change to Harry Potter films' leads. My proposal is only for the opening paragraph of each article; this paragraph should be followed by two paragraphs: one about the film's production and one about the film's release and reception. Please feel free to discuss minor things; let's reach consensus on this, just because it would be nice to have a standard for all of the films' articles. Also, feel free to add/edit the plot, but no other sentences without first discussing it. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Standard template
Film Title is a year fantasy-adventure film directed by director and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the ordinal form of a number installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by writer and produced by producer 1, producer 2 and producer 3. The story follows /one sentence plot/. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features /billing/. Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Film one
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (released in the United States and India as Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone) is a 2001 fantasy-adventure film directed by Chris Columbus and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the first installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by Steve Kloves and produced by David Heyman. The story follows Harry Potter, a boy who discovers on his eleventh birthday that he is a wizard, and is sent to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry to begin his magical education. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features Richard Harris, Maggie Smith, Robbie Coltrane, Alan Rickman and Ian Hart. Deviations from the template: Feel free to edit the plot. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 10:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alternate title. Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Film two
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is a 2002 fantasy-adventure film directed by Chris Columbus and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the second installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by Steve Kloves and produced by David Heyman. The story follows /one sentence plot/. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features Richard Harris, Kenneth Branagh, Jason Isaacs, Christian Coulson and Robbie Coltrane. Feel free to add a plot. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Film three
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is a 2004 fantasy-adventure film directed by Alfonso Cuarón and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the third installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by Steve Kloves and produced by Chris Columbus, David Heyman and Mark Radcliffe. The story follows /one sentence plot/. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features Michael Gambon, Gary Oldman, David Thewlis, Timothy Spall and Emma Thompson. Feel free to add a plot. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Film four
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is a 2005 fantasy-adventure film directed by Mike Newell and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the fourth installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by Steve Kloves and produced by David Heyman. The story follows Harry Potter, a teen wizard in his fourth year at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, as he is chosen by the Goblet of Fire to compete in the Triwizard Tournament, a highly dangerous competition. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features Ralph Fiennes, Michael Gambon, Brendan Gleeson, Robert Pattinson and Miranda Richardson. Feel free to edit the plot. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Film five
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is a 2007 fantasy-adventure film directed by David Yates and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the fifth installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by Michael Goldenberg and produced by David Heyman and David Barron. The story follows Harry Potter, a teen wizard in his fifth year at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, as the Ministry of Magic refuses to believe the return of the Dark Lord Voldemort and appoints bureaucrat Dolores Umbridge as a teacher at the magical school. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features Ralph Fiennes, Michael Gambon, Imelda Staunton, Gary Oldman and Helena Bonham Carter. Feel free to edit the plot. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Film six
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is a 2009 fantasy-adventure film directed by David Yates and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the sixth installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by Steve Kloves and produced by David Heyman and David Barron. The story follows /one sentence plot/. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features Michael Gambon, Jim Broadbent, Alan Rickman, Tom Felton and Helena Bonham Carter. Feel free to add a plot. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Film seven
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is an upcoming two-part fantasy-adventure film directed by David Yates and based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling. It is the seventh and final installment in the Harry Potter film series, and is written by Steve Kloves and produced by David Heyman, David Barron and Rowling. The story follows Harry Potter on a quest to find and destroy Lord Voldemort's secret to immortality - the Horcruxes. The film stars Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter, alongside Rupert Grint and Emma Watson as Harry's best friends Ronald Weasley and Hermione Granger. The supporting cast features /billing/. Deviations from the template: Feel free to edit the plot. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Added "and final" to the second sentence. It is important to the series' chronology to note this, because then the reader can 'deduce' that there are six previous films and no further films in the series. Alex Douglas (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Harry Potter articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Harry Potter articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 23:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

i need help
can anyone tell me who made the marauders map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.244.76 (talk) 04:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, Sirius Black, and James Potter. (Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs, respectfully.) However, why are you posting this here? -- Glimmer721  talk  00:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Children's literature at peer review
Portal:Children's literature is at portal peer review. Review comments are welcome, at Portal peer review/Children's literature/archive1. -- Cirt (talk) 19:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Harry Potter (character)/Archive 4#Darren Criss
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Harry Potter (character)/Archive 4. Elizium23 (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC) (Using )

List of Harry Potter cast members
There is a new weekly section on the main page called "Today's featured list" and I have nominated List of Harry Potter cast members to have a spot here. There has been some opposition to the nomination and it looks like the list could become a removal candidate very soon unless the quality of the list is improved. If you are interested in maintaining the list's featured status and seeing a summary of it up on the main page, your help in improving the article would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Fun Facts of the Harry Potter Films
The Great Hall set has been standing since filming began in the year 2000.

All the books in Dumbledore’s office have handwritten titles.

Ten thousand envelopes were used for the scene where the blizzard of letters blasts through the living room of privet drive.

Platforms 3 and 4 in Kings Cross station were used to film the scene instead of platforms 9 and 10 in the first Harry Potter film.

The potions cupboard in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets had shelves 10 feet wide and 24 feet high and needed a crane lift to put the jars on the shelves.

The Dark Marks are sticker tattoos stored in pizza boxes.

For the set of Umbridge’s office the set decorators created 134 plates for the backdrop.

The Ford Anglia in the second film was an authentic 1962 Ford Anglia 105E.

The whomping willow in the second film had mechanically operated branches covered in molded-rubber tree bark that actually did the whomping you see in the movie scene.

Reference:Harry Potter Film Wizardry written by Brian Sibley — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.32.157 (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit notices
There is a good edit notice for the article Harry Potter, which can be viewed at Template:Editnotices/Page/Harry Potter. However, it is not deployed uniformly to all Harry Potter-related articles and I see many stray edits to English variants that could possibly be nipped in the bud if we had a uniform edit notice that explained about British English and about the Sorcerer's Stone variant like the one I have linked. Only admins can create these edit notices for pages in Main space. Could we find a sympathetic admin who would be willing to put these up for all project-related articles? I suppose first we should check to make sure they are already using British English. And it would be a good time to regularise that sort of thing. Elizium23 (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

A study on major differences between the novels and the film series would be nice
how to define "major" in this context would depend on the authors' willingness and the scope of the article, or article section, as there are differences on many levels, ranging from the trivial to the relatively profound — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkkelf99 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone have access to the DVDs?
The List of Harry Potter cast members is almost ready to go up on the main page, but references 5-8 currently quote IMDb and need to be replaced with references to the DVDs themselves. Does anyone have access to the Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, and Goblet of Fire DVDs? If so, it would be greatly appreciated if you would replace references 5-8 on the List of Harry Potter cast members with references that are modelled after references 9-10. Neelix (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

PS - The discussion about putting the article up on the main page is taking place here. Neelix (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Religious debates over the Harry Potter series
Is it synthesis or POV to present Bible verses prohibiting witchcraft and sorcery in an article which presents Religious debates over the Harry Potter series? Please see Talk:Religious debates over the Harry Potter series. Elizium23 (talk) 08:44, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Critiques of the Potter Series
Destiny Unfulfilled is a critique of the Potter Series as a whole, covering all seven books. This book would be of interest to anyone looking for a contrarian view of the series, based on literary merit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Migdalin (talk • contribs) 15:29, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

HP character article -- possible hoax
There's a new article, Liberty Devine, which claims to be about a Harry Potter character. Can anyone here confirm that there is such a character in the books? Thanks. --Several Pending (talk) 14:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no such character in the Harry Potter series. If there was, the name would be listed in the Harry Potter Lexicon or the Muggles' Guide.PNW Raven (talk) 19:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Guideline on capitalizing words
An editor has come by the article Death eater, and changed all instances of "killing curse" "Imperius curse" and "Cruciatus curse" to "Killing Curse" "Imperius Curse" and "Cruciatus Curse". I looked in the WP:MOS for a guideline on this, but I could not find anything relating directly to fiction. Something tells me that we should not be doing this. MOS:CAPS is the most relevant guideline I could find; here it says Philosophies, theories, doctrines, and systems of thought do not begin with a capital letter, unless the name derives from a proper noun... and also Doctrinal topics or canonical religious ideas that may be traditionally capitalized within a faith are given in lower case in Wikipedia. By a similar token, I am not sure if we should be capitalizing every term that is found capitalized in the books. I could not find existing consensus or even a discussion about this topic here at the WikiProject, so I thought we should try and establish a consensus now about this issue. Elizium23 (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Be sure that no we should capitalize every term that is capitalized in any canon.
 * Both citations from MOS:CAPS are relevant yet I suppose this project must make some decisions both about what is a proper noun in the canon and when to use those proper nouns. For illustration without checking the author/publisher use of capitals or italics or punctuation:
 * even if "Imperius Curse" is deemed a proper noun, WP: Harry Potter --and thus Book: Harry Potter-- should have some style regarding the use of that and "Imperius! and "the spell Imperius" and so on. --P64 (talk) 17:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Category: Harry Potter

 * second of two new sections posted at once

Moments ago, I dared to add that category to this project and set importance=High ;-)

In reply to one old comment Category talk: Harry Potter, I observed that there is one(?) template specifically for navigation of the category tree, namely Template: Harry Potter. That one needs to be in the category, where I have recently put it and today restored it; and prominent, hence it sorts to the top of the Pages (sortkey *). The portal should also sort there.

But it may or must be better that the category preface somehow explain and recommend the portal and the template.

Cross-reference: Category talk: Harry Potter (for both new sections). --P64 (talk) 17:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Article alerts
This is a notice to let you know about Article alerts, a fully-automated subscription-based news delivery system designed to notify WikiProjects and Taskforces when articles are entering Articles for deletion, Requests for comment, Peer review and other workflows (full list). The reports are updated on a daily basis, and provide brief summaries of what happened, with relevant links to discussion or results when possible. A certain degree of customization is available; WikiProjects and Taskforces can choose which workflows to include, have individual reports generated for each workflow, have deletion discussion transcluded on the reports, and so on. An example of a customized report can be found here.

If you are already subscribed to Article Alerts, it is now easier to report bugs and request new features. We are also in the process of implementing a "news system", which would let projects know about ongoing discussions on a wikipedia-wide level, and other things of interest. The developers also note that some subscribing WikiProjects and Taskforces use the  parameter, but forget to give a link to their alert page. Your alert page should be located at "Wikipedia:PROJECT-OR-TASKFORCE-HOMEPAGE/Article alerts". Questions and feedback should be left at Wikipedia talk:Article alerts.

Message sent by User:Addbot to all active wiki projects per request, Comments on the message and bot are welcome here.

Thanks. — Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people
Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:

Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, nearly all wikiproject topics will be effected.

The two opposing positions which have the most support is:
 * 1) supports the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, User:Jehochman
 * 2) opposes the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, except in limited circumstances, User:Collect

Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.

Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced article if they are not sourced, so your project may want to pursue the projects below.

--Ikip 02:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Harry Potter actors

 * first of multiple new sections

Category talk: Harry Potter includes a recent suggestion or request for a category comprising Actors in the famous film series. -P64

--P64 (talk) 17:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Horcri and Horcruxes
J.K. Rowling confirmed in this Pottercast (A Harry Potter Podcast) interview that the plurial of Horcrux is indeed Horcri, not Horcruxes, as she used in her books (She said she personally liked Horcruxes better, but technically it would be Horcri). Around Wikipedia (Example) the word Horcruxes is used.

This should be changed.

(Pottercast Transcripts are here and also here.

Kylestewart98 (talk) 21:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your interpretation. Here is a quote from the first link: JKR: I did write him a letter, and I did say that actually Horcri is- it occurred to me it really would have been a more correct plural, but I already had Inferi and I didn't want to have too many Dark Arts weapons ending in -ri. So it was a kind of stylistic choice, really. I like Horcruxes as a plural. So you can see that Rowling is supporting her choice of using "Horcruxes" in the book while admitting that it may have been more correct to use 'Horcri'. The choice has been made. It is written in the primary sources that way. We can't change it now unless it starts showing up consistently this new way on Pottermore or other new canonical writings. Elizium23 (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As Horcrux is a made-up word, the only 'correct' plural is what JK Rowling says it is. But for what it's worth, if it was a Latin word, the correct plural would actually be Horcruces, not 'Horcri'. (Compare Dux.) Robofish (talk) 15:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Harry Potter Best Selling Book Series needs to be updated?
In the 2009 Guinness World Records Harry Potter has sold 519 Million Books, Philosophers Stone: 120 Million, Chamber of Secrets: 77 Million, Prisoner of Azkaban: 61 Million, Goblet of Fire: 66 Million, Order of the Phoenix: 55 Million, Half-Blood Prince: 65 Million and Deathly Hallows 75 Million, and that was recorded in 2009, so now it should be 600 Million or more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.32.224 (talk) 05:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about how we judge reliable sources on commercial matters nor whether we generally consider Guinness a reliable secondary source.
 * Report on Potter at List of best-selling books. If reliable sales information is available, it will be welcome also here too. We now list the first six volumes as "No reliable sales figures" (10 million or more); Deathly Hallows at 44 million (section 1.3, one of the third-class books); and the Potter series at 450 million (section 2.1, top of the first-class series).
 * If 100+ million is accepted for Philosophers Stone, then it will qualify for section 1.1 which now comprises only six books.


 * For the series at 450 M, our source is 23 June 2011 BBC News and it covers only the UK/Bloomsbury and US/Scholastic editions.
 * For book seven at 44 M, our source is 2008. It notes that sales figures for the first 24 hours had been reduced from initial report 72 M to merely 15 M.
 * --P64 (talk) 21:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Harry Potter fanfiction

 * "Petrosexuals." Riverfront Times. January 4, 2006. p. 1 has an interview with Tracey "T" Proctor, who is a moderator at FictionAlley.org which has Harry Potter fanfiction. She describes stuff about Harry Potter fanfiction, particularly erotic fanfiction.

Which article would this material best be placed in? WhisperToMe (talk) 18:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Turning this Project into a task force?

 * The following discussion is closed. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
 * The result was page converted into a task force of WP:WikiProject Novels. --George Ho (talk) 13:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

This Project used to be active. However, there have been seldom discussions. I have parent Projects that can be suitable:
 * WP:wikiProject Novels
 * WP:WikiProject Film
 * WP:WikiProject Media

Nevertheless, I'm torn between Novels and Media because of differences between novels and films; I left out Film because the films are derivatives. --George Ho (talk) 02:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support this as I can see the editorial popularity of this subject declining as the film franchise is completed and no further material is released. I would choose WP Novels as the most likely project for this, as the franchise is first and foremost a series of novels. Elizium23 (talk) 02:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support I would suggest WP:WikiProject Media franchises, however, it is inactive, so I think that WP:WikiProject Novels would be good. Twilight has a task force here, and Twilight and Harry Potter both share the same marketing strategy (novels→films_, so I think this WikiProject would be a good fit.—Yutsi Talk/  Contributions  ( 偉特 ) 01:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Support due to declining activity now that the franchise is complete. I think WP:WikiProject Novels is the right parent project for HP. – sgeureka t•c 08:15, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment WP:YA (Children's literature) seems obvious to me but Novels is much more active.
 * P.S. All eight WP:YA listed task forces are also listed Novels task forces. So I say "Yes, but" Novels should subdivide its list of task forces ;-)
 * --P64 (talk) 14:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Let me reply vacuously so this item will not be archived soon. --P64 (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Archive schedule
 * When this discussion was closed, the archive setting was revised from 10(!) days to 500 days. Four 2012 items were appended to Archive 13 before that change. --P64 (talk) 20:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Covers the Franchise
This task force seems to cover the Franchise, and as such should not come under WikiProject Novels. WikiProject Novel tags on Daniel Radcliffe's page, for example, are undesirable. Should be moved to Media or Children's Literature. Bubka42 (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you mean the Novels / Harry Potter banner at Talk: Daniel Radcliffe. What is the cost of that bundled display of the wikiproject and taskforce names? As bundled the qualification "/Harry Potter" is prominent, more than the intriguing assessment of low-importance to Harry Potter(!).
 * (The biography doesn't link to any portal, not even Portal: Harry Potter, which is odd.)


 * Anyway there may be a technical solution unknown around here during the last year. The other WP: Novels task forces for children's fiction are also WP: Children's literature task forces (compare the upper right boxes on those two project homepages), and that was true when Harry Potter moved here last year. Yet neither parent project shows up directly on every talk page claimed by the task force.
 * For example, Harry Gregson-Williams is under Novels and Children's literature because HGW composed or directed the music for three Narnia movies. But Talk: Harry Gregson-Williams does not directly target the Novels or Children's literature project, only the WikiProject Chronicles of Narnia task force. That taskforce homepage, in turn, is a WP Novels subpage.
 * Neither WP Children's literature nor children's literature itself is mentioned on the Narnia taskforce homepage. That association may be only a cross-reference from WP Children's literature, a relatively moribund project.


 * WP: OZ has not been claimed or allocated as anyone's task force (Novels, Children's literature, Media). At a glance it looks dead, showing only one talk page contribution after 2010. --P64 (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The display of the wikiproject bundle is as much a problem, as linking back of the page to the Novels stats. I was going through the assessment summaries that day, and I found there was one Featured Article of unknown importance. This turned out to be J. K. Rowling! And Daniel Radcliffe should link to the Harry Potter portal. Any of the active taskforce members got anything on this issue? Bubka42 (talk) 03:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not an active task force member, but I am a member of WP:NOVELS, and if I may add my two-cents: It's strange to have actors and other Harry Potter-related stuff that are not novels under a project whose goal is to "...define a standard of consistency for articles about novels, novellas and short stories." or "...an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories on Wikipedia." There are a great many differences in editing articles about a novel and an actor, starting with, as mentioned above, assessment. How does one assess, for example, Emma Watson? While Hermione Granger as a character is of probably low-/maybe mid-importance in the pantheon of world literature, Emma Watson doesn't exist at all. Sure, I'm a fan of the Harry Potter series (books, movies, and all), but I was a little bit confused when I started seeing actors in the unassessed column of Wikiproject Novels. Was hoping to see some discussion about it and Elizium23 was kind enough to direct me here, but I don't see a whole lot of discussion. Am I late to the show? Or early? Olegkagan (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The original discussion appears as the first section above and it will remain there for a long time (never, if we periodically append something or update the latest datestamp).

Do you have a concern other than the Novels project assessment report? Evidently that report automatically covers Harry Potter task force articles but does not cover Narnia task force articles. You will not find Aslan (Narnia fictional character) in the B/Top category of the Novels report, nor Harry Gregson-Williams (Narnia film music composer) in the Start/Mid section. I indicated the difference early in this section, and suggested WP:NARNIA as a model because it allays this concern. Bubka seems to consider Narnia "as much a problem" --without any explanation that I discern. --P64 (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * My main concern, which is what drew me to this discussion, is the project assessment report -- closer to the point though is assessment criteria for articles that don't fit within the scope of the project. Moreover, as a matter of principle, if we adhered strongly to the mission of WP:NOVELS, there wouldn't be task forces that cover anything beyond novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories. That said, as a compromise (which looks to be strictly a matter of structure and bookkeeping anyway), the WP:NARNIA model does the job. Olegkagan (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Ginny Weasley
Dear Harry Potter enthusiasts:

This redirect Ginny Weasley has some history as an article before being turned into a redirect. It's talk page has a long discussion about this. Now an article has been created at Articles for creation/Ginny Weasley by a participant in the talk page discussion, but it has not been submitted for review. From the remarks on this page: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ginny Weasley, it seems as though the creator wasn't looking for a review, and just wants to replace the redirect with that article. I am posting here FYI because it's likely that the members of this project have been previously involved with this. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of WikiProject Harry Potter/PA Differences
WikiProject Harry Potter/PA Differences, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Harry Potter/PA Differences and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of WikiProject Harry Potter/PA Differences during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. --BDD (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Children's literature for Featured Portal candidacy

 * 1) Portal:Children's literature
 * 2) Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Children's literature

I've nominated Portal:Children's literature to be considered for Featured Portal quality.

This was a joint quality improvement collaboration between myself and User:Wadewitz.

Participation would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Children's literature.

Thank you for your time,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Which cast members to include?
There's a discussion brewing here regarding which cast members are appropriate for inclusion on the HP film articles. My understanding is that consensus at WP:FILM is that, when all else fails, stick with the primary-billed cast, though including others may be appropriate if sources took note of them in a significant manner. In any event, there's some question as to whether there's a previous consensus on how the cast lists for the films should be handled, and additional voices would probably be helpful. DonIago (talk) 15:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Deathly Hallows#Direct
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Deathly Hallows. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 23:52, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Discussion alert
Please see Talk:Quidditch. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

The potions have reapparated!
I was refreshing myself on the differences between the Harry Potter houses when I came upon the article Hogwarts staff, which linked to Felix Felicis; I tried to find out what that was, but the link was broken. It turns out that it was because of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magical_objects_in_Harry_Potter&diff=526139033&oldid=526106881 this edit] by Chaheel Riens. Frankly, I think it was sheer insanity to make this information inaccessible to almost everyone ...the vast majority of readers of Wikipedia don't even know about the page history function (also see this discussion). To this end, I have created Potions of Harry Potter, which was copied from the removed text at Magical objects in Harry Potter, and I've fixed as many redirects as I could find, plus a few links. As I said in an edit summary, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Potions_in_Harry_Potter&diff=prev&oldid=665414693 I don't care much about Harry Potter, but I do care a lot about broken links]. Graham 87 05:09, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I approve - well done. There was talk of creating a page for potions some time back, but it obviously never happened.  I'm not sure I agree about your comment of my removal being "sheer insanity" - they were in the wrong place plain and simple.
 * I've added the page to my watchlist, and will also help & contribute to it as we go along. Chaheel Riens (talk) 05:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I don't think your removal was sheer insanity (I don't really have any opinion one way or the other on it). The only part that I think was sheer insanity was the fact that the info about the potions was gone for nearly two and a half years. Graham 87 07:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't approve. This is a 1600 word wall of unreferenced text that is being presented in an in-universe manner. Further, it violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE. This article either needs to be (a) deleted or (b) dramatically re-written to turn it into an Wikipedia encyclopedic article. What is in this 'article' is appropriate for the Harry Potter Wikia. Not here. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * On further inspection...this article could be speedily deleted right now. See Articles for deletion/Potions in Harry Potter. You guys better act quick. Re-integrating the text back into Magical objects in Harry Potter isn't the solution. It's not the location of the material that is the problem, but the material itself. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope, it couldn't. It doesn't resemble [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Potions_in_Harry_Potter&oldid=171202789 the version of the article deleted in the AFD discussion] (which I've just undeleted) in the slightest, which, incidentally, is about a zillion times worse than what's currently there. Needless to say, I strongly recommend *not* following the format or style of the old version. Graham 87 10:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yet, the content here is unreferenced and written in-universe. Reading the AfD, there were precious few resources from secondary sources to support a stand alone article. I doubt that's changed. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The creation of this article was reverted by Lord Opeth; I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Potions_in_Harry_Potter&diff=667486837&oldid=667378874 put it back]. We really really shouldn't have broken links. Graham 87 13:20, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm with Hammersoft and I don't approve the recreation of the article. It is presented in an in-universe way, the subject itself has not proven Notability outside the HP franchise, and no real world content has been added to the article. I think that the best way to present this information is in a "Potion brewing" section in the Magic in Harry Potter article, in text format and not list, and all links must redirect there. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  17:40, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * And I disagree with it being turned back into an article after it was turned into a redirect. You can fix broken links. This is still an unreferenced wall of text, and suffers the same problems as the original article that was deleted, even if they're not precisely the same format. Forcing the article into existence isn't the solution. It's been two weeks since the issue of it failing encyclopedic standards has been raised. In that time, only this set of edits happened, which is essentially adding internal links. The solution most decidedly isn't adding links. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * In any case we can get rid of both the article and the redirects and broken links, or add some real world content to this Potion Brewing section. I think that something similar must be done with the Spells article, which is also a list of pure fancruft with no real world content. -- LoЯd   ۞pεth  17:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Along with Quidditch as you have seen, which blurs the line between fantasy and reality. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * But Quidditch has impact in the real world, the problem is the article itself. But these lists of potions and spells are not notable at all, these subjects can be covered in the Magic in Harry Potter article, written in an encyclopedic way. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  21:16, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

The Cursed Child and navigation template
I can't see why Harry Potter and the Cursed Child should be excluded from Template:Harry Potter, it was removed by User:Lord Opeth with the edit summary "Musicals and other derived works are not included in this template." was this discussed and were? and if this is true, shouldnt all topoics under related works also be removed and that line suppressed.--KTo288 (talk) 09:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The Related Works section in the template is for other books written by Rowling plus Pottermore. There are lots of musicals and other derived works that are not canon and not included in the template. Perhaps The Curse Child and all of those works can be included in a "Derived works" section. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  21:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If its a canon, non-canon thing, fan work vs official, it looks as if The Curse Child will be canon, Rowling is after all putting her name to the production, though how much of the final product is hers, remains to be seen,--KTo288 (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Harry Potter in the real world has been nominated for discussion
Category:Harry Potter in the real world, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for upmerging to Category:Harry Potter. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)