Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Rick Riordan task force/Archive 5

New "Roles" list!
In an effort to increase member participation and joy-on-the-job, the Rick Riordan Task Force HR Department is proud to present Member Roles. These roles are open to any and all RRTF members, and are designed to help all Wikipedians (members and non-members alike) better understand each RRTF member's skills and specialties. Please see the new "/Roles" page for more info and to sign up! Criticism, comments, and suggestions are welcome below. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 02:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I want to get involved by having a role seeing how there is only two users currently on the list. However I cannot decide which I would be best for or if someone else is more qualified. I will likely choose after the John Rocco edit-a-thon.22mikpau (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If you are not sure where you'd best fit, consider becoming Section Staff for all the disciplines you find interesting. Then, once you figure out your niche(s), you'll meet the requirements for becoming a Section Leader and know where you stand. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 00:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought about it and I think the job I'd perform best is the News Manager. I think I'm fully qualified for the role and it looks like a job I'll enjoy. However if anyone wants the job, I'd be willing to step down.22mikpau (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:32, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

HR Rep
I'm quickly informing WP:RRTF members that I've added myself as HR Rep in the task force. I believe I meet the requirements, and if you have any questions, feel free to discuss this on the talk page. Thanks!  Wiki Pancake  ✉ 📖 13:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

New parameters for RRinvite
The template Template:RRinvite has just been updated with two new parameters that allow RRTF members to customize the message delivered to taskforce invitees. Check out the documentation page for more information. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Because I have been experimenting, there is now also a parameter to change the logo displayed with the message, currently with two options. If we like it, I can do this to other templates as well (within reason, of course). The important thing to note is that nothing has changed about the default template. You can still use it without any of the new parameters to generate the familiar message text and logo. Happy editing! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 05:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hammer of Thor
Evan though is in the alert box, when are we going to create an article for The Hammer of Thor.22mikpau (talk) 15:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The answer is: whenever someone has the time (the alert box is really just a suggestion). Step one is to use the Article wizard to create a draft (called "Draft:The Hammer of Thor"). Although there are other ways to create an article, this is the best option. Step two would then be to start working on the draft. It's helpful to post a notice about it here so other users can help out too, but that's up to the creator. Ultimately, step three will be to nominate it for AFC review, but it will take some time to get to that point.


 * The big thing is that The Hammer of Thor is currently not notable, although it should be in a couple of months. For the moment, a draft would just be for coming up with a plot summary and development information, and to start compiling references for an eventual "critical reception" section. Any editor is certainly welcome to get started on these things using their own personal sandbox. I hope this helps (and thank you for your question)! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 04:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I had some free time and created the draft. It is located here: Draft:The Hammer of Thor. Any member of the task force may edit it, and I will update the alert box. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 03:05, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Copy edit in The House of Hades
Hello. I expanded the article, but as my English is not good, it needs to be reviewed. Any help is welcome. Thanks. Pedrohoneto (talk) 01:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Pedrohoneto, The House of Hades is now a good article nominee! RRTF members, if you are free, consider reviewing the page. If accepted, the page would be our fifth good article. The Son of Neptune, another one of our current GA's and from the same series, received roughly the same amount of traffic: 5,000 pageviews per month. I think this page has a good shot at being accepted, and having another GA would help to increase the taskforce's credibility among other WikiProjects. Go check it out! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 15:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The article has been promoted. Thank you very much for your help. Pedrohoneto (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * - It was my pleasure. Thank you for being willing to follow this through. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

New page about the PJ musical
The page The Lightning Thief: The Percy Jackson Musical was recently created by a non-taskforce member, Lemaroto. Please check it out, and improve it if you get the chance. It is short and could use more references, but seems well-written so far. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

The Hidden Oracle
Hey, folks. I used Draft:The Hidden Oracle to create The Hidden Oracle. As the last time, a copy-edit is required. Feel free to improve the article. Hopefully, this will be our sixth good article. Thanks. Pedrohoneto (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The page is now a Good Article Nominee. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

How to join
How do i join this Iris Medallion (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Iris Medallion. To join, first review our member requirements. If you're okay with what they entail, go ahead and list your name in our active members section. That's it! Leave another post here if you need more help. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help, not exactly sure how to add my name to the list? Iris Medallion (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * - Follow this link. Scroll to the bottom of the editing window and type . Then press "Save changes" at the bottom of the window. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 03:51, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Request for comment on new imprint
While looking for sources for our Draft:The Hammer of Thor, I discovered that Rick Riordan announced a new imprint last September. Rick Riordan Presents is slated for a July 2018 launch. This gives us some time to think, but I wanted to pose the question now: Do we want to cover the books published under this imprint, if they are notable? Please, post your ideas below. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 17:54, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Rocco Edit-A-Thon
As a way to boost participation, RRTF is beginning its first ever Edit-A-Thon (hopefully a repeated gig!). In honor of his birthday on July 9, this Collaboration will focus on John Rocco. Rocco has been the illustrator for most of Rick Riordan's books, noted especially for his cover art and full-page illustrations in Percy Jackson's Greek Gods. Rocco is also a children's book author himself; his most noted works are Blackout and Swim that Rock.

The focus of this Edit-A-Thon will be to improve pages related to Rocco - his biographical page, his books' pages, and pages for any uploaded cover art by him. Help is needed in a variety of areas, including referencing, copyediting, and new page creation. Please, jump in wherever you can! You may find these templates useful for letting other members know what work is left to be done. Some potentially useful sources of information can be found here. This editing event will last until the first day of August, when the most helpful contributors will be lauded here on the forums. All RRTF members will be automatically considered for the award.

While I have your attention, please also keep in mind our upcoming annual Roll-Call in August/September. If you wish to remain an Active member, you will need to respond to the Roll-Call announcement here on the RRTF forums during the announced time window. Don't worry! A reminder will also be left on your personal talk page when the Roll-Call begins. Until then, happy editing and thanks for being an awesome task force! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 03:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)  Note: Non-task force members are welcome to participate in the Edit-A-Thon as well; please contact 2ReinreB2 in order to have your edits counted.

Hi, if you were led here looking for User:22mikpau/Signpost/John Rocco edit-a-thon, that was an error. The real link is up above. 22mikpau (talk) 18:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

The Son of Neptune and The Titan's Curse
Should we add the above books to our list of good articles. I'm not sure if Theveryone Titan's Curse is up to date as the character list seems too in-universe and unencyclopedic and is listing Prophecys and it's meaning good either?22mikpau (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 22mikpau (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

First, sorry about the spellchecker, Second I found we have a list of good articles outside of the list of "Completed tasks" and I fixed the unencyclopedic parts on the Titan's Curse. However I'm still not sure about the prophesy section. By the way I listed going over GA articles on our focus calender, since we haven't done that for a while. I figured we can always change it if it proves unnesscery. 22mikpau (talk) 19:57, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that going over older GA's is a good plan, but we shouldn't delist them unless they're officially demoted. Definitely consider putting them up for reevaluation, but make sure to warn other members well in advance (like with the focus calendar). That way, if they get demoted, it will be because they deserve to be, not because RRTF wasn't paying attention. On the prophecies, the opinion seems to be divided among Wikipedians (and WP:NV). I personally think that if they pass(ed) GA with the prophecy sections, those sections should stay. If a GA reviewer says to cut, though, my experience has been that we should cut them without a fight. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Biographies of living persons policy
Hello, task force members. Because of the Rocco Edit-A-Thon, I recently came across some violations of Wikipedia policy on John Rocco. Specifically, there was some rather too-personal information about the author/illustrator's family that goes against the Biographies of living persons policy. A nonmember came by and took care of it, but I want to make sure that we're doubly careful about this sort of thing in the future. I'll be checking all our biographical pages later this evening. I'd like to ask that any member who happens to speak another language go check out related bio pages on other-language versions of the wiki. Although they're technically under the jurisdiction of other-language sister projects, we are the most active Task Force managing these pages.

On a related note, thanks to all who've been helping with the Edit-A-Thon collaboration. This is exactly what I'd hoped for: Our participation is up and we're coming across (and fixing!) issues we never knew we had. Keep up the good work! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 22:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


 * It appears most languages don't even have articles on Rick Riordan, much less John Rocco, extra. There was some slightly too personal info on Rick's German page but when I attempted to fix it, a notice said:"This site is protected to avoid vandalism". It said by the way; "Rick Riordan lives with his two sons and his wife in Boston." Maybe it's nothing but frankly I don't want to make a mistake lIke that again. (I don't speak German by the way, I just have a translation feature on my computer.)22mikpau (talk) 01:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC) 22mikpau (talk) 01:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Riordan has actually said several times that he lives in Boston, as well as publicly described his two sons (because of how they've shaped the PJ series). I think we're okay leaving that info up. I'm more concerned about things that seem to have been pulled from Facebook or a blog, rather than interviews. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 02:18, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * So the best way to solve this problem is checking personal information that seems suspicious and if it has bad or no references we remove it? 22mikpau (talk) 02:27, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * On John Rocco there is an external link to the Library of Congrass that appears to bsevere that got the family info. Should we remove that link? What about the source seeing how it's used other times in the article. 22mikpau (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ...Essentially, yes. In this age of identity theft and social media snafus, it might be better just to ask yourself, "If I were X, would I want this info about me on the internet? Do I want readers to find my personal social media, blogs, etc. by following these links? Does this info actually help anyone understand my work or importance, or is it pretty basic personal info?" And we should definitely avoid anything that the person in question hasn't made public. Authors, politicians, etc. don't always advertise their relationships or where they live, although the info is certainly available on their personal pages online. As to the LoC source, I think it can stay. Let me know if you have any other thoughts. I'm glad you're taking the time to have a conversation about this. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 01:12, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost
Seeing how the Signpost is struggling to get news articles, I will be submitting a story about the edit a thon. I will soon add the link to the story so you guys can help out. I am hoping this will help similar task forces with ideas on how to revive and gain us some publicity.22mikpau (talk) 13:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC) 22mikpau (talk) 13:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Here it is, User:22mikpau/Signpost/John Rocco edit-a-thon22mikpau (talk) 13:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Here's what I need; grammar\spell check, comments from 2ReinreB2 about where the idea came from other BTS stuff, wikilinks 22mikpau (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Rocco Edit-A-Thon results
Hello all. Today marks the final day of our first John Rocco Edit-A-Thon, hosted in honor of the author/illustrator's July birthday. Through the efforts of this task force, John Rocco has received some minor cleanup help and lots more attention. Most importantly, RRTF applied lessons learned on that page to all our articles, and now adheres much better to several important Wikipedia policies (including WP:BIO). I call that a win!

The Edit-A-Thon's most helpful member was 22mikpau. They were particularly helpful in working with WP:BIO and reaching out beyond the task force to bring the Edit-A-Thon into public attention. An honorable "second place" goes to another contributor, Arvip. Good work everyone, and reach out with any further ideas for Collaborations! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 00:55, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Annual roll-call: August 2017
This roll-call now closed. Congratulations on another successful year! Since our last roll-call (August 2016), RRTF has made a lot of progress. Much of this has been technical, but we've also gained experience as an organization. We've implemented a new Roles system and filled some of these new posts. We've created some new articles on The Trials of Apollo and Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard and promoted two Good articles - our first in over five years! RRTF has even completed its first Collaboration, the John Rocco Edit-A-Thon. While we have a total of sixteen Active members listed, some may have moved on to other projects. It's time to check back in again.


 * If you wish to remain in the project: List your name below along with the status you would like to have --,  , or  . Don't forget to use   to leave a timestamp. An active RRTF member will move names shortly, and check for any changes at the end of the role-call.
 * If you wish to leave the project: Editors who leave the project will not be informed of any RRTF events or listed on our members page. To leave, list your name below on this roll-call post with the words . Don't forget to use   to leave a timestamp. An active RRTF member will remove your name from the appropriate member listing shortly. You may rejoin at any time.

All Active Members will receive a notification on their personal talk page from the RRTF News Manager. Editors have until the end of September to respond to this post, at which time all non-respondents will be listed as "Unknown". Members who have been "Unknown" since our last roll-call will be moved to "Inactive". -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 01:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Active - 2ReinreB2 (talk) 01:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Active 22mikpau (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I am here and still active. --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:23, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Semi-active Zussman1 (talk) 15:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm still here and I guess I'm active. Methychroma (talk) 17:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Inactive - sorry guys, life catches up to you, haven't been able to be on the wiki much for quite a while. Good luck to you all!  pluma  ♫ '''♯ 03:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Active, Thanks for adding me to the RRTF! - Punitdaga31 (talk) 13:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Supporter - I'll move back to active some day when I'm able to edit more. Sorry to all who were expecting stuff as the HR Rep - feel free to remove the role if you wish.  Wiki Pancake  🥞 12:02, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

'''This roll-call is now closed. Please do not respond further in this section.'''

Roll-call: Blocked Users
Two users, Iris Medallion and Danni Heaven have been blocked indefinitely due to sock puppetry and will be unlikely to do anything else, much less respond to the roll-call. Can someone move these accounts to the right place? I tried it last time and it didn't go well. Thanks.  Wiki Pancake  🥞 12:09, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

A Possibility
During my research for my Signpost article, I found that most editers want a downsizing on Subprojects. I think we should consider our options. 2Renibe2, wheile I appreciate your optimism ,lets face it.The group is not what it used to be and the books of Rick Rioridan is narrow in both scale and reader interest level. The John Rocco edit-a-thon was not as successful as you mentioned and most of us, including me, are not as active as it may appear just looking at the roll call. What I`m proposing is working with WP:Novels and other task forces to reorgainize in something like, Young adult fiction task force I think it would be broader and more likely to prosper in such a large encyclopedia. Please voice your opinion below. 22mikpau (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As Riordan himself stated, his books are all children's literature, aged 10-12. There are WikiProjects such as WP:WikiProject Warriors that focus on only one series written by an author that is not as notable as Riordan's work and you are making a proposal to merge a harmless task force. Why the need ? 86.97.129.224 (talk) 21:16, 13 October 2017 (UTC)