Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Archive 10

RfC: NFC images of currencies
I have opened a RfC on the use of non-free currency images for Talk:Indian_rupee. We will definitely appreciate comments to resolve this issue. Sumanch (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Commemorative euro coin images, which template?
Hello,

in the course of running AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks, I have encountered a number of commemorative euro coins images, which are tagged at the moment as. Should they be tagged instead as ? I would greatly appreciate everybody's input at AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. Regards,  Snowolf How can I help? 15:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Silver Maple Leaf wikipage
The SML wikipage needs some editing to address the omission of the 1989 RCM SML proof 1 oz coin of which has the lowest mintage of SMLs at less than 30,000. They were issued individually in maple presentation cases laser inscribed with the 10th year anniversary of the gold maple leaf (1979 - 1989). Also was issued in a 3 coin set with 1/10th oz gold and platinum maple leaf proof coins in a similar maple display case; mintage 10,000. Though they were not serialized, 1989 was the only time when a SML coin was offered as a proof coin, making it one of the lowest mintage SMLs in history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.44.41 (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

estiKE
hi?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.161.90.114 (talk) 05:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Teylers Museum
Hi, the Teylers Museum is currently running a writing challenge, so if anyone is interested they can contribute to the project. The reason I am posting here is because I just wrote two short articles on Martin Holtzhey and his son, and I realized they should be included in this project. While I am here though, I thought it would be useful to let you know that there has been a large contribution of high quality images from their (massive) coin collection. If you know of specific coins from their collection that you would like to have added to Commons, you can make a request up to the end of the challenge (around May). I suppose they are in general open to requests at any time, but there is someone there monitoring the challenge page for people who don't want to contact them by phone or mail. See the commons category for inspiration here: commons:Category:Coins in the Teylers Museum Jane (talk) 17:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Tiny stub, maybe merge?
Please comment at Talk:Leather currency as to what should happen to this tiny stub. There are several possible merge targets, such as banknote or history of money or Chinese currency. D O N D E groovily  Talk to me  00:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Naming conventions on capitalization
This project badly needs to establish a naming convention (based on real-world, general usage and grammar, not peculiar practices of numismatics publications), and stick to it. No one cares that a lot of coin guides like to capitalize all coin-related terms; such over-capitalization is a common practice in all guidebooks, from bird identification to car parts, as it helps to make important terms stand out from dry prose for people who are scanning text for quick results. It is not an encyclopedic practice, and MOS specifically deprecates it at MOS:CAPS. WP:AT doesn't permit miscapitalization either; it very clearly calls for sentence case, not title case.

Our current numismatics articles names are wildly inconsistent, and show a mish-mash of some editors following MOS and AT, and others just doing what they like, regardless of WP rules or grammar rules (Chicago Manual of Style, Hart's Rules, etc.), influenced by on the strong tendency of specialists and collectors to capitalize, in specialist "insider" writing, to inappropriately capitalize any Term They Think Is Important or Special. As a basic ground rule, denominations and coin names are capitalized, except where a proper name occurs, in encyclopedic (or journalistic, academic, or any other non-collector) publications. This is English, not German; we do not capitalize random nouns simply for being nouns. It's "dollar", "Eisenhower dollar", "wheat penny", "Manx crown", "Krugerrand", "Liberty dollar" (because it features the personification Liberty, which is a proper name like Justice with her scales, sword and blindfold). The official name of a series of coins should be capitalized without capitalizing anything else, e.g. "Statehood quarters", "the Statehood series", "Cat crowns", "the Cat crown issues", etc. Do not, per MOS:CAPS, capitalize "the" in front of anything, like "The United States Mint", except at the beginning of a sentence. Do not confuse the name of a coin with the official name (title) of a government coin production program. Articles like 50 State Quarters must move to either 50 State quarters (capitalize the series but not the denomination) or 50 State Quarters Program (capitalize the full title of the program). "50 State Quarters" is either a miscapitalization of the coin denomination, or a misquotation of the title of the program, either way you want to look at it. And actually it should by "Fifty" not "50", unless the official title of the program consistently always uses numerals and not the word.

Numismatics terms are capitalized except where they contain a proper name. It's "proof" not "Proof", "cupronickel", not "Cupronickel" (but it is "CuNi", because the periodic table symbols for elements are always first-letter-capitalized). An exception is formal condition grades, e.g. "Very Fine", which are universally capitalized across all collectibles fields (to ensure that they are interpreted as such, and not as general opinion like "really great" or "looks good to me").

And so on. We need to aim for consistency (and the principle of least astonishment – don't subject the broadest and most general readership in human history to distracting and confusing insider geekery), instead of our current situation of seemingly random "I capitalize however the hell I feel like it today" chaos.

PS: I'm aware that some would want to capitalize all commemorative issues, like the Canadian Maple Leaf, and whatnot. If this is consistently followed, then that should be fine here, too. The usage has to be defined and limited somehow so people don't go around capitalizing things like "Wheat Penny" and "Yen".

— SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  17:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of non-free images on currency articles
An RfC of interest to this project regarding the use of non-free images on national currency articles is being held at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Editors have started to nominate images for deletion based on that RfC. I personally don't agree with deleting those images but I think members of this project should be aware of this. Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2012_October_25#File:Eurocoin.at.001.gif --AK456 (talk) 12:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Collectible Coin Protection Act (H.R. 5977)
I have lots of articles about efforts being made to pass the Collectible Coin Protection Act (H.R. 5977). But I don't know where to put them to get them published. Help, please! :) Thanks!

Here they are: http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/battle-against-fakes-continues http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/cracking-down-on-fakes http://www.numismaticnews.net/buzz/gong-bangs-time-to-act http://www.coinworld.com/articles/call-to-arms-to-collectors-support-h-r-5977-b/ http://www.coinworld.com/articles/hobby-professionals-meet-with-legislators-on-/ http://www.coinworld.com/articles/taking-on-counterfeits/ http://www.coinworld.com/articles/bill-seeks-to-bolster-hobby-protection-act/

BarryStuppler (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Collectible Coin Protection Act (H.R. 5977)
I have lots of articles about efforts being made to pass the Collectible Coin Protection Act (H.R. 5977). But I don't know where to put them to get them published. Help, please! :) Thanks!

Here they are: http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/battle-against-fakes-continues http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/cracking-down-on-fakes http://www.numismaticnews.net/buzz/gong-bangs-time-to-act http://www.coinworld.com/articles/call-to-arms-to-collectors-support-h-r-5977-b/ http://www.coinworld.com/articles/hobby-professionals-meet-with-legislators-on-/ http://www.coinworld.com/articles/taking-on-counterfeits/ http://www.coinworld.com/articles/bill-seeks-to-bolster-hobby-protection-act/

BarryStuppler (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

images of Canadian quarters
a large number of Canadian quarters images have been put up for deletion, see Files_for_deletion/2012_August_30 in three separate sections -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 06:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Old currency conversion
Does anyone know where I can find a converter for 1938 Straits dollars to (either contemporary or present) dollars or pounds? I'm pushing to get the film article Terang Boelan to FA and this would be quite useful. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

File:IraqP79-1Dinar-1992 f.jpg
File:IraqP79-1Dinar-1992 f.jpg has been nominated for deletion as missing information -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 01:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Belgium) at WP:FLRC
nominated Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Belgium) for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:00, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Demand Note FAR
I have nominated Demand Note for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. JJ98 (Talk / Contribs)  20:40, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Specimen Bristol Pound.jpg
file:Specimen Bristol Pound.jpg has been tagged for deletion for missing information -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 03:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Loonie and Toonie/Twoonie
See Talk:Loonie and Talk:Toonie for the renaming of coins -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

AfD proposed for article of interest to WikiProject Numismatics
There's a AfD proposal to delete the article 'currency'. If you have an opinion about whether we should or shouldn't have an article about currency, please comment there: WP:Articles_for_deletion/Currency. Thanks, LK (talk) 10:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Spanish peseta article
I find many things wrong with this page:
 * I find it shallow and inadequate;
 * it has many bold assertions, but few references;
 * its note does not strike me as a neutral point of view: it sounds very pro-Catalan, or at least anti-Castilian

I would like it re-assessed

John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Mon 17:59, wikitime= 09:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A lot of currencies articles can be improved, if you have good references or dispute a part of the article, it can be discussed. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 10:38, 15 December 2012 (UTC)