Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oceans/Archive 1

Subsurface currents
There's an article of the above title which appears to fall under the banner of oceanography. It looks in need of some work, so I thought I'd comment here to inform people more expert in the area. --The Brown Bottle 09:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Although I came across it hitting "Random article" and cleaned up it as well as wikified it some, it's still in need of expert attention. I only cleaned up the formatting and prose a bit, but have no knowledge of the subject TheBilly (talk) 21:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed changes
I propose that this project be moved to WikiProject Oceans, and the scope of the project be changed accordingly. I could work on the various templates to change the name and introduce assessment criteria, and with any luck we could get a bot placing the banner as approproate a week or two later, with luck drawing in more members. Comments? John Carter (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with John. Especially if he's going to do the hard work. :-0--Doug.(talk • contribs) 02:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I originally investigated interest in the project and then started it when I had more free time, but since then, got saddled with more work.  There is some interest and it's a sorely missing project with related articles that could use the attention and standardization.  I support your approach to cover the oceans more generally.  Hopefully the project will get moving and I'll have more time to contribute.  Evolauxia (talk) 06:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Oceans discussion from Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals

 * Description : A project to deal with all articles related to the oceans not covered by any other extant project, particularly dealing with the ocean articles themselves, their geology, geography, history, etc.


 * Interested Wikipedians (please add your name)
 * 1) John Carter (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Doug.(talk • contribs) 06:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Project page can be found at WikiProject Oceans. John Carter (talk) 17:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments

Help needed at Marine debris
Lots of changes recently made to this article, a second-opinion copyedit would be very helpful. Thanks - 82.18.44.72 (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Is this wikiproject OCEANS?
Its a shame that none of the oceans are featured. Example, Indian Ocean is not even GA! Shame Shame! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.224.85.93 (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Starting to tag
There is an option to collect all the project category pages at either class=Cat or class=NA - and the project template allows for either cat and cat at the class and importance pages, or if both are tagged NA - just one NA - if there is a preference from anyone on this - the cats have not been done with way yet - it all relates to assessment and the various ways of appraising non article pages - not big deal either way - if nobody comments re this - will start filling in the tags with NA in a wek or so - cheers SatuSuro 06:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Ocean
Template:Infobox Ocean includes Template:Infobox Ocean/Copyandpaste while the template's talk page includes Template:Infobox ocean/Copyandpaste (note the difference in capitalisation in "Ocean"). I assume that reference to the latter is a mistake but I thought I should ask here before initiating an AfD. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Deluge (prehistoric)
Can someone look at Deluge (prehistoric)? It's in dire need of improvement. 70.51.9.124 (talk) 07:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Oceans
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Cat tagging
As no one replied July last year (above) have been tagging category pages related to the project with class NA and importance NA - still going SatuSuro 05:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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Bot-adding this WP's template possible?
Is there a way to botomate adding this WP's template to relevant pages in specific categories, e.g. Category:Bays of Canada, Category:Sounds of Canada, Category:Fjords of Canada, Category:Straits of Canada and their subcategories and kin in other jurisdictions; some of t hose bays will be on freshwater lakes, however not so many as couldn't be taken out post-facto once the bot had done its work. There's been quite a lot of expansion/creation of items for the many waterways of the BC, Washington and Alaska coasts of late; I only just found out about this WP by accident, and have only added it to my most recent creation (Stikine Strait).Skookum1 (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Oceans on a planet orbiting a Red Dwarf Star
Oceans on a planet orbiting a Red Dwarf Star

Will someone who understands oceanography please checks out,

Traditional assumptions tested Nonetheless, the scientists employed by the programme decided to test the traditional assumptions for such a planet and start a model out for it from a proplyd through to its eventual death. Their estimations suggested such a planet could indeed hold on to its atmosphere, although with freakishly unusual results by Earth standards. Half of Aurelia would be in perpetual darkness and would be in a permanent ice age. The other half would contain a giant, unending hurricane with permanent torrential rain at the point directly opposite the local star. In between these two zones would be a place suitable for life.

This hurricane would generate enormous waves in the ocean and the waves would migrate outwards. Oceanographers should test how high these waves would be in the postulated nearby swamps and delta area. They would be wind driven waves and would not reach from the top of an ocean to the bottom like a Tsunami. Nonetheless waves that Earthlings call freak waves might be regular. Simple bacterial and algal life would not be threatened.

It's from Aurelia and Blue Moon Proxima Centauri 2 (talk) 08:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Quick Question on project scope
I was just meandering around on WikiProject Washington and noticed that Puget Sound is not under any other WikiProjects, its top parent category is Category:Sounds, according to Sound (geography):

"a sound or seaway is a large sea or ocean inlet larger than a bay, deeper than a bight, wider than a fjord, or it may identify a narrow sea or ocean channel between two bodies of land"

Is this within your projects jurisdiction? as it is not listed under your scope, but I can't seem to find any other project this would possibly work for, since a sound is part of the ocean. cheers -- Gold Man60  Talk  00:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I cannot speak for the project but that sounds like a mix of an ocean or a geography project overlap issue - I have not recently checked the geography category tree to see how and why the oceans project fits either - so its just a personal guess - not a project guess SatuSuro 01:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles in need of expert attention
I've already tagged them as such, but I've decided to drop a note here as well. It seems that two articles within this WikiProject's scope, Oceanic zone and Neritic zone, are in need of expert attention. For more information, see this AfD discussion, which I just closed. Thanks, A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sharks
Hey, just a note that Portal:Sharks has been nominated for featured portal status. Any comments are welcome. J Milburn (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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Infobox Currents and Gyres
Hello. I am not that good at building infoboxes. So could someone who is good at it consider creating a new box for Currents and Gyres, or maybe one that could support both? Kind regards. Rehman(+) 02:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Excellent source
Oceanography. It's been running since 1988 (!) and ALL of the journal articles are online here. Devilishly useful stuff. Res Mar 14:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Oceans articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Major proposed overhaul of Sea of Japan naming dispute
The article Sea of Japan naming dispute has been under full protection for about 1 month due to an edit war that occurred in August. Discussion on the talk page stalled at the end of August, and there are not many active participants on that page. Since that time, I have been working on a wholly new draft to fix, as best as I could, many of the numerous problems on the article. Since this article falls within the purview of this Wikiproject, I am inviting members to come participate in the discussion on the talk page at Sea of Japan naming dispute, which explains the current articles deficiencies (poor sources, disorganized, etc.) and what I have done to fix them. In that section you will find a link to the draft version in my user space. While this article and its subject are clearly a contentious matter, I sincerely believe that we can create a useful and NPOV article about the subject through the careful involvement of more editors. Thank you for any help you can provide. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Category:Anoxic basins
Category:Anoxic basins has been proposed to be renamed. It currently covers salt water basins, but the rename may expand coverage to also cover small freshwater lakes. 65.93.15.80 (talk) 05:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Inland Sea
The usage of Inland Sea is under discussion, see Talk:Inland Sea. 65.95.14.96 (talk) 05:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami
2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami has been requested to be renamed, see Talk:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami. 184.144.160.156 (talk) 03:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Northeast Asia
Northeast Asia is suffering from East Sea / Sea of Japan issues. 184.144.166.85 (talk) 12:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Revival of the debate between using Sea of Japan and East Sea
See WT:Naming_conventions_(Korean)/Disputed_names; someone has requested a new discussion on the use of East Sea versus Sea of Japan. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 07:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Oceanic garbage patches
The articles Indian Ocean Garbage Patch and Great Pacific Garbage Patch contain much duplication of effort, if not necessarily words. I think it might be beneficial to have a single article about the commonalities (things like the formation and the science behind them) and leave the specific articles to deal with the individual patches' specifics. Thryduulf (talk) 12:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Archipelago deletion
Articles for deletion/Taiwan island group Huayu-Huayu (talk) 17:29, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:HighBeam
HighBeam describes a limited opportunity for Wikipedia editors to have access to HighBeam Research. —Wavelength (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

List of seas
A discussion about the inclusion criteria for the list of seas is taking place at Template talk:List of seas. Bazonka (talk) 10:43, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Geographic location template?
Can we use the Geographic location template for seas?

For example at the bottom of say Pacheco, California there is a template for moving one step in any compass direction. Could we just use the same template for bodies of water?

So East China Sea would have a wheel that shows China to the west, Japan to the NE, etc. Hcobb (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I used the geolocation template for some cities in the SF Bay Area, as the most immediate neighbor to some cities is not another city, but the bay itself. seems like a fine idea overall.(mercurywoodrose)50.193.19.66 (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Template WikiProject Oceans
Does the template go on the talk page of every article about ocean cetaceans, ocean fish, all marine life, and all ocean sharks? As of this entry, the quality and importance template shows a grand total of 1212 articles, which makes me think that there are a great many articles that could potentially have the Oceans template, and do not. Project members, please comment on what you expect. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Geography at peer review
Portal:Geography is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Portal peer review/Geography/archive1. I've put a bit of effort into this as part of a featured portal drive related to portals linked from the top-right corner of the Main Page, and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hyperbaric chamber
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Geography for featured portal consideration
I've nominated Portal:Geography for featured portal candidacy, discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Geography. Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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East Sea
The usage of East Sea is under discussion, see talk:East Sea -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:12, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Sea article
There's an ongoing discussion at Talk:Sea about the scope of the article, and its relationship to other articles. oknazevad (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

File:MarTroughBathy.jpg
File:MarTroughBathy.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

RedSea.jpg
image:RedSea.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Your input requested at Talk:Sea/GA1
Sea, arguably this project's most important article, is currently undergoing GA review. If you're reading this sentence, would you be willing to take a quick look to see if you have any suggestions for it? For a sprawling subject like this, the more eyes we can get on it, the better it's going to become.

Cheers to User:Cwmhiraeth and User:Chiswick Chap for taking on this massive subject--they've done a terrific job so far. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As a follow-up note, the article has now passed GA--congrats to all involved. I believe they intend to continue improving the article after this point, so I'm sure further comment and suggestions would still be welcome. -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

of gulfs and bays
An issue concerning the categorization ofgulfs and bays has come up, see the renaming discussion for Category:Gulfs of Mexico at WP:CFDALL -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

to-do list on talk page template?
I noticed while attempting to add the project template to talk:Manganese nodule that the template adds a the to-do list for the entire Wikiproject Oceans. Is it really appropriate to put the project's to-do list on every article in the project's scope? (This is the only project that I know of that does this.)--Wikimedes (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Missing topics page
Would you mind checking Missing topics about Oceans? - Skysmith (talk) 09:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

oceanic topic
The usage of is under discussion, see template talk:oceanic topic -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Substantial rewrite of Undertow (water waves)
Even though I am not an oceanographer, I have had many decades of experience in shallow water near beaches. Today I was BOLD and substantially re-wrote this article, which has languished unimproved for a number of years, and was, I felt, very misleading.

All modern sources I could find by googling define "undertow" as a rip current plain and simple, although they often also mention the popular scary belief that anywhere in the shallow water near a beach you can be pulled under and held under until you drown.

In fact one could perhaps argue that this article should be reduced to a redirect page to rip current, aka rip tide...?

The folk definition of the "undertow", as something omnipresent in the shallow water near a beach that can pull you under and hold you underwater until you drown, is a complete misapprehension, a negative fantasy, like the bogeyman. This folk belief was probably inspired by hearing about drownings that were due to rip currents, along with a complete lack of knowledge about what a rip really is.

Anyone who could help with this rather crummy little article, whether by improving it or by doing away with it, please, that would be great. Thanks and Happy New Year! Invertzoo (talk) 17:57, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Star fish are dying
A story from the LA Times speculates that radiation which leaked into the ocean from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant may be why Star fish are dying. Is this of interest to this wikiproject? XOttawahitech (talk) 00:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-something-is-killing-the-starfish-scientists-race-to-find-out-what-20140204,0,6767257.story#axzz2tcNaRjVu

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Transpolar Sea Route
Is this "articles for submission" a good candidate for a topic in Wikipedia? Please add your comments near the top of that page, using the form
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Please place it below any similar comments but above the line. Thanks. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  18:18, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Another editor created Transpolar Sea Route, which is a near-copy of an older version of the AFC submission. To preserve attribution, I moved the AFC submission to Transpolar Sea Route (2) and turned it into a redirect to Transpolar Sea Route.  See Talk:Transpolar Sea Route for details.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  03:46, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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WikiProject X is live!


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World Oceans Day editathon
Hello ocean-article-goers! On Monday, June 8, 2015, we have an oceans-themed editathon in Washington DC. We invite you to come if you can, or to participate remotely, or to point us to articles to edit, or to identify good materials to incorporate into articles. -- econterms (talk) 17:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

New article: Coastal upwelling of the South Eastern Arabian Sea
The new article at Coastal upwelling of the South Eastern Arabian Sea could use some expert help. I'm not sure what the second sentence of the lead there is saying. Nor am I sure that the SEAS system is that closely related to the four EBUS mentioned in the first sentence. See Talk:Coastal upwelling of the South Eastern Arabian Sea. Do I gather correctly that there are no other ocean/sea specific upwelling articles? --Bejnar (talk) 07:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Water currents
I have been working recently on improving Rip current and Undertow (water waves) and I created a stub for Rip tide. There is also Longshore drift. Should I include these articles in the template "Physical oceanography - waves and currents"? Invertzoo (talk) 17:39, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I see that most of them were already there, but I added Rip tide and Tidal jet under Tide, and Longshore drift under Wave. Invertzoo (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Need help with the Blob
Anyone interested in adding to The Blob (Pacific Ocean)?

AshLin (talk) 15:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

El Niño and La Niña event articles
While browsing the "Uncategorized pages" special pages for such football articles, I stumbled upon the following event articles: 1982-1983 El Niño Event, 1997–1998 El Niño Event, and 2010-11 La Niña Event. No idea how your project handles these kind of articles but they definitely some kind of treatment, because they are currently uncategorized and stub articles at best. One more note – this message has been cross-posted to WP:METEO and WP:ENV as well as the main articles of the topics in question were also in the scope of these WikiProjects. – Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:54, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Archived old addressed threads
I've archived some old addressed threads. Metric used was older than one year, no activity, zero new posts, notifications to closed deletion discussions, etc. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 08:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

List at AfD
This doesn't look to be a terribly active WikiProject, but I'll put this here anyway. List of countries bordering on two or more oceans was not previously tagged with your WikiProject banner, so I don't know if it'll show up in article alerts, and it's currently at AfD. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 15:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately article alerts are updated only once every 24 hours right now. See: Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-02-23/Article_Alerts for more. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:46, 30 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me

Please See - Submissions
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Limits of oceans and the seas - linkfix
Heads-up: The on-line copy of this document at IHO is now found at http://www.iho.int/iho_pubs/standard/S-23/S-23_Ed3_1953_EN.pdf. I've requested a mass link-fix through AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. --Nomentz (talk) 10:43, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Request for Comments: United Nations Ocean Conference nomination for In the news
United Nations Ocean Conference has been nominated for In the news here.

You can participate in the discussion. If you would like to do so please leave a comment there as soon as possible as it will be closed or simply be inappropriate for ITN later.

--Fixuture (talk) 18:33, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Request for comments/assistance
has been making some rather dubious edits (in my opinion) to Pelagic zone, Bathyal zone, Abyssal zone and Hadal zone. I've started a discussion with him here [moved below] and I would very much appreciate some input from the wider community. Cheers, nagualdesign 23:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Ainundil moved info from one article to another. But it belong to two articles. And he correctly removed the same info from two another artiles. He did 3 correct things and one possibly incorrect thing. He does not deserve trial. He is arguing very well and he is correctly pointing on various Wikipedia issues. Let him edit freely.

There is long term uresolved issue of poor referencing on the Wikipedia and it is impossible to resolve it on user talk page.

1) There is need to have a separate article for all of these terms: ("Bathypelagic" should not redirect to "bathyal" and "abyssopelagic" should not redirect to "abyssal" and "hadalpelagic" should not redirect to "hadal".)
 * pelagic
 * neritic
 * oceanic = oceanic zone -> Ocean
 * epipelagic
 * mesopelagic
 * bathypelagic
 * abyssopelagic
 * hadalpelagic = hadopelagic


 * benthic
 * littoral
 * sublittoral
 * bathyal
 * abyssal
 * hadal


 * deep sea - (I think, it is unrelated to terms above). I would like to know if there is real and authoritative definition of "deep sea".

2) There is need to have proper definitions of those terms. Especially when upper and lower boundary of those terms can vary according to different sources.

3) There is need to have four different SVG images for: 1. pelagic zones,

4. Schematic image of pelagic zones and benthic zones to real scale. It is usefull fo no specialist to see real size of those realms.

There are so many unclear things, that wikipedia can not answer yet. For example when a reader will search for the info: "What is oceanic zone?" The reader should get an answer. "Oceanic zone consist the following four zones epipelagic, mesopelagic, bathypelagic, abyssopelagic." The reader should get to know, that for example littoral zone is not oceanic zone and that abyssal zone is not oceanic zone. There is still need much work for define, describe and explain basal terms in oceanography. Thanks for your attention. --Snek01 (talk) 13:47, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response. If you have any specific suggestions for amendments then please voice them at the ongoing discussion [moved below]. The only comment I wish to make here is that nobody is on trial. Discussion is an important part of Wikipedia and simply 'letting people edit freely' doesn't quite work. nagual<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 14:14, 10 December 2017 (UTC)