Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics/Archive 16

Edit war brewing
Can we get edit protection for Template:Infobox Olympics Serbia maybe? Been going on for a while now. Jmj713 (talk) 18:09, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like the same is going on with Template:Infobox Olympics Yugoslavia at the hands of 95.178.146.92. Jmj713 (talk) 22:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hopefully just a bored SPA IP account who'll go away now the games are over. If it continues for another 24hrs, log it at WP:RFPP.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * He's still going. Done. Jmj713 (talk) 21:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Rugby
Currently Rugby at the Summer Olympics serves as a dab, while Rugby union at the Summer Olympics details efforts to include rugby at the Olympics and the prior version of rugby at the Olympics, while Rugby sevens at the Summer Olympics details the current version at the Olympics. Shouldn't the content about attempts to place the sport back into the Olympics be at Rugby at the Summer Olympics, since it covers 15s and 7s, and not just 15s? (in this case "rugby union" in Olympics-speak would just be 15s, similarly to how other sports' names have particular Olympics meanings) If such a refactor were done, then summaries of RU and R7 would also occur at the rugby article in place of the dab. -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 23:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That would make sense, yes. That said, are we sure we want to seperate the two sports at all? I'd think "Rugby" would be the sport, and RU and R7 just be different events in the same sport, although held at different times. IOC's page refers to the sport as "Rugby": https://www.olympic.org/rugby . Similarily, searching their database for former rugby union medalists, such as Leon Binoche, lists him with one medal in the sport "rugby". So I would suggest merging rugby union and rugby sevens into one sport. -- Lejman (talk) 02:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's complicated. Sure, for the modern Olympics "rugby" = 7's. But it's a bit different if you view it from the rugby perspective, which starts with the fundamental split between the 13 and 15-man versions. To outsiders they might seem similar but they are regarded as separate sports (see eg the BBC Sport header). So following on from that, 7's is treated as a separate sport - and it probably has more in common with 13-man rugby league than 15-man rugby union. Now we don't have the opportunity to see how the IOC would treat 15-man and 7's in the same Games - would they get counted as variants of one sport or as two distinct "sports"? It's not just a question of doing the same thing with a different number of people, like rowing. One could argue it's a bit closer to the situation with trampoline and gymnastics, or BMX and cycling. But since it's a grey area, I think the distance in time should also count for something, and separate articles for union and 7's should be maintained. I've no great problem with expanding the current dab to provide more of an overview, but the status quo is fine by me.Le Deluge (talk) 23:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

IOC medals template url broken
IOC medals url is broken. olympic.org has changed their search page. --Bamyers99 (talk) 18:28, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

GBR
More input would be appreciated at Template talk:Country IOC alias GBR. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 15:22, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Olympic Nomenclature (Tennis)
Following a brief discussion (here), there is a need for a consensus on naming conventions at the Olympics. The issue arose in relation to the tennis articles at this year's Olympics and how their titles should be formatted. The original following conflicts arose:
 * Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's Singles vs. Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's singles
 * Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's Singles vs. Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's singles
 * Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's Doubles vs. Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's doubles
 * Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's Doubles vs. Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's doubles
 * Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Mixed Doubles vs. Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Mixed doubles

The issue is in relation to whether both words after the hyphen should be capitalized, whether just the first should be, or whether neither should be. From an internal Wikipedia point of view, the majority of tennis articles outside of the Olympics follow the first option, with both words capitalized, for example
 * 2016 Wimbledon Championships – Women's Doubles
 * 2014 BNP Paribas Open – Men's Singles
 * 2009 China Open – Women's Singles

Looking outside of Wikipedia, the official websites of all four Grand Slam tournaments often follow the 'double capitalization rule': But they are also inconsistent in whether both terms are a true proper name, as with [http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/news/match_reports/2016-01-31/soares_doubles_up_with_vesnina_to_claim_mixed_title.html "men's doubles crown" and "mixed doubles crown." Plus these sites often use upper case on every letter or every word. ESPN uses both lower case right here but every letter capitalized here.
 * Australian Open
 * French Open
 * Wimbledon
 * US Open

The Official ITF Olympic Tennis website even capitalizes both words as does the 2016 Olympic website. However the NBC Olympic site treats neither as a proper noun, using lower case on both Somebody made the point that since they are just nouns and not proper nouns, that the second word after the hyphen should not be capitalized. However, after a bit of my own research I found this: "Here are directions for implementing APA’s title case:

Capitalize the first word of the title/heading and of any subtitle/subheading; Capitalize all “major” words (nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, and pronouns) in the title/heading, including the second part of hyphenated major words (e.g., Self-Report not Self-report); and Capitalize all words of four letters or more."

So by this logic the title should read: Tennis at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's Singles.

Whatever decision is come to, some consistency needs to be introduced across all Olympic tennis articles, dating back to 1896. Even though the same issue is prevalent across other Olympic events, if it can be sorted for the tennis articles, it would be a start.

For discussion, when it's in a title but not at the start of a sentence, is it better to use the term "Mixed Doubles", "Mixed doubles" or "mixed doubles"? — F1lover 22  talk  09:40, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - I would say that as far as sourcing goes, I see "Mixed Doubles" more often... at least in tennis terms. Next I see "mixed doubles", and then "Mixed doubles." Google ngram appears to show in books what I see on websites. Of course that doesn't mean we have to go exactly by sources. Often "Mixed Doubles" appears on sports sites in sentences or titles where every word is capitalized for emphasis, and I've also seen quite a few MIXED DOUBLES... so those examples could skew things. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Country IOC alias GBR
Note. A potentially breaking change was proposed for Template:Country IOC alias GBR, and went live not too long ago. This change affects about 7000 pages. For example: Should the change be reverted? Please comment at the template talk, thanks — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 03:07, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * See 2010 Winter Olympics - the "Participating National Olympic Committees" collapsible wikitable. The generated links to Great Britain at the 2010 Winter Olympics are now Great Britain and Northern Ireland at the 2010 Winter Olympics.
 * See 2012_Summer_Olympics - the wikitable there as well.

Categories
I see one user is adding XXX in women's sport' categories in all Olympic events, something like this and this, I was wondering is this really necessary to have that in every single event of the Games ? to me it looks silly. Mohsen1248 (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree it is silly. That category should be left to the main article pages and not the individual event pages (except in team sports, where the category should go on in the event page).

List of athletes who competed in both the Summer and Winter Olympic games
The last couple of weeks I have expanted this article. I will just like to discuss about the criteria. The following three option are possible at my point of view:
 * 1 Change the name of the article to List of athletes who competed in both the Summer and Winter Olympic sports. Delete all the athletes taht competed in Figure Skates/Ice Hockey at the 1920 Summer Olympics & 1924 Winter Olympics
 * 2 Remove Nikolai Panin (competed in 1908 with Figure Skating & 1912 Shooting) because he did not compete at the Winter Olympics
 * 3 Delete no one of the list en keep the name the same. Micnl (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What about listing figure skating athletes only in a separate table? --Tone 14:40, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd think about it from the user's point of view - they will be coming to that article expecting the modern paradigm of sports being in one or other of the Games but not both. The interesting thing is people who competed in winter and summer sports, but the question will tend to be framed as competing in winter and summer Games. So I'd tend to keep the title the same, if we were to change it I'd tweak your name to either List of athletes who competed in summer and winter Olympic sports or List of Olympians in summer and winter sports. So people like Panin are definitely interesting enough to keep in the article, I'm 60:40 on whether he stays in the main list or as a footnote. I think all those ice hockey players/figure skaters should probably be a footnote or second table, except for the likes of Léonhard Quaglia who were genuine double-sporters. The ice hockey/figure skating thing is mildly interesting in a pub quiz kind of way, but as athletes they're not as interesting as the genuine winter/summer people. Le Deluge (talk) 13:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As for the move, I support moving it to sports, but I don't have a strong preference on that. As for the other changes you recommend going with it, I strongly prefer those, so include Nikolai Panin, and reduce all the "Summer games but only in a Winter sports" athletes to a footnote, including Leonhard Quaglia (as both his sports were winter related). -- Lejman (talk) 02:17, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the title move. I think we keep it as Games because that's how the Olympics is orgnaised, and I think that the article is of interest because it's much more rare for people to compete at both Games than it is for people to compete in different sports. That a group of athletes did it in 1920/`924 is of interest now because it has become a rarity. Note we don't have a List of athletes who have competed in multiple Olympic disciplines because it's comparatively common, and I don't see a particular reason to pick out winter v summer sports in comparison to say, cycling v aquatics or racket sports v equestrian or some such. However, I agree that we should separate out the athletes who competed in the Figure Skating/Ice Hockey at the 1920 Summer and 1924 Winter Games into a separate list, underneath the main one. I'd keep Léonhard Quaglia in that list as he only competed in winter sports, but have Philippe Van Volckxsom in the main one as he also competed in rowing. Finally, yes, I'd remove Nikolai Panin from the list but might consider adding a sentence about him in the prose in the introduction. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:50, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I would agree to put the 1920/1924 Ice skating/Figure Skating on a sepparate list. I know that the lis is incomplete, but I know that the Belgium and Dutch are competed. If you know athletes please add them to te list. --Micnl (talk) 20:21, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Medal icons on team sport templates
There was a brief discussion down in WP:OLYMOSNAT eight years ago about including medal icons in the templates for the gold and bronze medal finals of team sports and no consensus seems to have been reached. I was hoping that discussion could be restarted and some actual guidelines hashed out to keep from having to fight the same war every two years. I posit that they add a nice visual emphasis on the medalists much like the medal icons do in the tables for other sports (and as far as I can tell don't violate any accessibility requirements) and are worth including. Torlek (talk) 21:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think they should be included. These are used in nation pages, where individual medalists are indicated with the medal icons. So for uniformity team sports should also include them. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not included. They are match templates for match results and the parameter are "team", not final tournament position. In general articles should have more prose, and thus explaining it is a final (for example) and not just add these images. Qed237&#160;(talk) 00:20, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

I have invited WikiProject Football, WikiProject Basketball, WikiProject Handball and WikiProject Volleyball here as those sports are involved. Feel free to notify other sports as well if I missed something. Qed237&#160;(talk) 00:34, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you mean including them like this?: (Example removed, question answered)
 * Or do you actually want to modify the "football game" template to "automatically" medalize the teams? -- Lejman (talk) 03:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What we mean is if they should be shown (diff for support) or not shown (diff for oppose). <i style="font-family:Sans-serif"><b style="color:blue">Qed</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 12:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Question:Can you further clarify - is this for display at pages such as Brazil at the 2016 Summer Olympics, or Volleyball at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament? Or as it is a template does it display across both? --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Currently in many of the sports (volleyball actually seems to be already in the format Lejman suggested below), such as football and basketball it's displayed through a template on both the individual country and the tournament pages. --SuperJew (talk) 08:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It looks better (on football projects) without the medals being included. Besides, it's usually already mentioned in the prose and the infobox. TheBigJagielka (talk) 09:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Good proposition to include the icons to show the match importance and to display the final results of this match inside of whole tournament. 95.133.211.190 (talk) 09:48, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Simply not needed. It is a match template and nothing more. Medals can beseen on the article page... Kante4 (talk) 12:14, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not necessary in a footballbox, and the rankings table in the rankings section is enough to convey this. Also there are other sports which have competitions between two people/teams which don't have these medal icons on the final. (Archery, Badminton, Boxing, Fencing, Judo, Taekwondo, Tennis, Wrestling) . Regardless of the decision it should be consistent across the Olympic sports. --SuperJew (talk) 12:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Just to clarify my stand from discussion above. These are matchtemplates and not for tournament result. There are separate ranking sections for this. <i style="font-family:Sans-serif"><b style="color:blue">Qed</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 12:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not needed in a match template. Visually, the layout looks messier with the little coloured circles than without, and the numbers distract from the match score. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 *  Support Oppose, replace with table. I think it's the best way to show on the individual country pages when the country has scored a medal in a team event. The medals in other sports, like Judo, are easily shown in the athlete's row in a table, but medals in team sports are much less obvious. (For those who fail to medal we just write a line saying "Final placement: 11", which looks malplaced.) If we came up with a new way to clearly show the medals in team sports on country pages I could be okay with removing the medals in the match template. -- Lejman (talk) 15:51, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You can see that they won a medal in the Medalists table (which is there for that sole reason). other teams don't have their final rank even given in this "best way to show". --SuperJew (talk) 18:20, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Some countries have their final ranking listed. It's awkward though, so there's room for a lot of improvement. The final rankings are absolutely central. My view is that they are more important than game result and opponents. We want the information to be as easily obtained by our viewers as possible. Medals in the games are at the moment the best way we swiftly and succintly show the result in the sport resulted in a medal. We could replace it with a table in the beginning or at the end though, listing the team and its score similar to our Judo tables for overview. If we did that I would be fine with removing the medal from the match template. Example for possible country page table: -- Lejman (talk) 18:43, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Not necessary. Is this discussion already closed? I think we already have a consensus. --Osplace 03:26, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Summary
Key:
 * P – Match decided by penalty-shootout.
 * A.E.T – After extra time.
 * I think this is a great suggestion Lejman. It solves the issue of having medals in the footballbox, shows the medal/rank on the overall country view and adds consistency across the sports. Thumbs up! --SuperJew (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've added a section title and key guide. I've added the section before the men's and women's sections on Sweden's country page. If approved I'll help adding it to other countries too. -- Lejman (talk) 17:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support These are the Olympics, so the medal templates should be included to indicate which countries won medals. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What is special with the olympics? We dont have it for other major tournaments. It is a match template, not ranking. <i style="font-family:Sans-serif"><b style="color:blue">Qed</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 17:58, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The Olympics is special in football because of the medals. It makes a big deal of them while other tournaments don't. But that is what the medalists table is for on individual country pages and the ranking table on the tournament page. --SuperJew (talk) 18:22, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose at the moment because the template is in use at pages such as Volleyball at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament where the winner is already repeatedly indicated. Potentially replacing the display on Country at the xxxx Olympics with a table like format is the way forward for those. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I like the table idea!! Much better and would reduce the need for templates (which are time consuming to make). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As an update, I've started installing the table mentioned above on country pages. I'm so far done with Handball, and am working on Water polo. -- Lejman (talk) 02:25, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

2028 Summer Olympics page move
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:27, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

RM notification 29 July 2024
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Megan Marcks, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, — Sam Sailor 01:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Flags in footer navigation templates
User:CaptainCanada has been adding national flags to the Olympic champion footer navigation templates. See for example here versus here. Traditionally we have not used flags in Olympic champion footer templates. It doesn't appear to be in use across any other sports events either. What are people's thoughts on this change? CaptanCanada has also introduced new links to both the games event article (e.g. Cross-country skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics) and the specific yearly NOC articles (e.g. Norway at the 2002 Winter Olympics). SFB 21:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I support these templates without flags. These edits should be reverted. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * For the record, I started doing this because I noticed that the templates for the gymnastics events (and, as I later saw, some of the Winter Olympics templates, albeit in a slightly different form) were already set up that way, and I thought it was a much cleaner and more informative organizational pattern (particularly in that it links to the individual country, and in a number of instances I included links to the specific event that weren't already there).CaptainCanada (talk) 00:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the standard practice is to place links only to the stated topic of the navigation template. Hence, you would have Template:Footer Olympic Champions 100 m Men to link between the champions and Template:Olympics100metres to link between the event articles. I see that quite a lot of Olympic event-level navigation templates are missing, however. For example there is no template to navigate through the other Super Heavyweight articles at Boxing at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's super heavyweight, nor a category structure for then either, i.e. there is no boxing equivalent for what we've got at Category:Athletics events at the Olympics. I think there is plenty of work to do to better connect these topics. SFB 01:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Invite to the African Destubathon
Hi. Members here may be interested in participating in the African Destubathon which starts on October 15. Africa currently has over 37,000 stubs and badly needs a quality improvement editathon/contest to flesh out basic stubs. There are proposed substantial prizes to give to editors who do the most geography, wildlife and women articles, and planned smaller prizes for doing to most destubs for each of the 53 African countries, so should be enjoyable! So it would be a good chance to win something for improving stubs on African Olympians, particularly female ones, but also male. Even if contests aren't your thing we would be grateful if you could consider destubbing a few African articles during the drive to help the cause and help reduce the massive 37,000 + stub count, of which many are rated high importance (think Regions of countries etc). If you're interested in competing or just loosely contributing a few expanded articles on African Olympians and committees etc, please add your name to the Contestants/participants section. Diversity of work from a lot of people will make this that bit more special. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Field hockey at the 2016 Summer Olympics (squads)
I've noticed that the page containing the squads of the nations becomes inconsistent. The men's squads share the same format, while the women didn't. I already put a wise, humble explanation to the templates, and then somebody just simply reverted my edits with so much disrespect, negative feedbacks, and unintelligent, irrational remarks (you know who controls it), when I returned them to original format because they're too inconsistent and become substandard. Only Argentina, Spain, and New Zealand already have the tables set up in their own respective templates, while the rest of the nations left incomplete and inconsistent. If you want to expand the contents for the rest, please do so as soon as possible. Thank you for your cooperation.

For further understanding, see the comparison. Spain and Japan, and take a look back at the women's team squads.

Raymarcbadz (talk) 18:01, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

List of 2016 Summer Olympics medal winners
I wonder if a list like List of 2016 Summer Olympics medal winners would be pretty easy to promote to Featured list status. Seems the information is easily verifiable, so an expanded lead and some images might mean FL criteria are easily met? Just sharing a link to a seemingly complete list if any project members need to FL project to consider... Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:35, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Olympic template for deletion
Please see the discussion here.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 09:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Youth Olympic Games in Sport at the Olympic Game articles
Over the last 2 months, I began to delve into the Youth Olympic Games. I start to add a paragraph and tables about the YOG in " at the Olympic Game" articles but I'm haveing a dilemma I would love to hear your opinion what is preferred. For each sport, there are separate articles of lists of venues and medalists. The question is if to make separate articles for the YOG and OG?

I am in favor to not separate the articles because in most cases, YOG events are the same as the OG. The only difference is the age of the participants and you can distinguish between them with the background color of the cells in tables or create a separate table for the YOG near or after the OG one in the same article. Nimrodbr (talk) 17:13, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think they should be separated. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:29, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you please elaborate why you think that way? Nimrodbr (talk) 06:31, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

A navbox, a sidebar, and an infobox all walk into a room
There is a discussion regarding a set of infoboxes which fall within your purview at this location. Your input is requested and appreciated. Primefac (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox Olympics Country
I have noticed the above template has changed. Beyond many aesthetic issues I have noticed that countries that won 0 medals at a Games do not show that anymore. I don't think this change is any good. What are the thoughts of others? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Good pick up Sportsfan, I hadn't noticed it. Primefac has been doing the incredibly difficult task of merging all of the infoboxes into the single Template:Infobox country at games. Pinging him now -- Ianblair23 (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * , could you give some examples? A random check of a dozen pages all show straight zeros for me. Primefac (talk) 00:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Primefac, once again I want to thank you for the great job that you are doing. Examples that I have found include Tuvalu at the 2016 Summer Olympics, Tuvalu at the 2014 Commonwealth Games, Tuvalu at the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The issue was with infobox country at games, which does not automatically assume you want to include them. I've made it so the wrapping templates all pass 0s if nothing is given for the medal counts. Primefac (talk) 02:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The one I was referring to was but that appears to be working now. Though I am working on the Asian Winter Games nations articles and a majority are missing. Also I notice for ex. articles in 2011 will not link to any in the future if not manually inputed. Before with the templates this wouldn't be the case... Sportsfan 1234 (talk)
 * Okay, so now we're dealing with a few different issues. First - anything that isn't currently transcluding one of those six templates is already directly tapped into IB country at games, which does not automatically include the medal count if no medal parameters are given. Given that there are 10k articles that transclude that IB I don't really want to start making that assumption. Second - I'm not sure what you mean about the 2011 articles. Third - the Asian Games (of various flavours) were substituted before I realized that team appearances list existed, and I'm working on a bot run to replace all of the hardcoded "appearances" lists with automatically-updating ones from that module. Primefac (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. As for 2011, for ex, the 2017 Article does not show up on the template. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. As I said, it's not (yet) automated. As soon as I get everything squared away I'll be replacing the existing lists with the automatic ones. As you start creating the 2017 games, just use auto. Primefac (talk) 02:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

, another thing I have noticed is that the infobox at the Australia at the 2016 Summer Olympics article, the overview link is calling up Australia at the Summer Olympics rather than Australia at the Olympics. The summary article is for every country is located at Foo at the Olympics. There is only five cases where additional pages exist, they are Australia at the Winter Olympics, Canada at the Summer Olympics, Canada at the Winter Olympics, Germany at the Summer Olympics and Germany at the Winter Olympics. Refer to Nations at the Olympics. Are you able to amend the coding so that Foo at the Olympics is the default link and that these exceptions are included. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 04:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * another exception that I know of is the Ireland at the British Empire Games article. Every another summary article is located at Foo at the Commonwealth Games, but because Ireland only completed in 1930 and 1934, it is more accurate that summary article be entitled in this manner. Are you able to code this one as well?


 * Also, referring to thread above, the Summer Youth Olympics articles (example Tuvalu at the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics) are still not showing the medal counts where no medal were won. Thanks -- Ianblair23 (talk) 04:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The Summer/Winter Olympics thing is unavoidable. infobox country at games assumes that the "overview" page is going to be at the games listed, so if Summer Olympics then the overview is "Foo at Summer Olympics". The template is three #if statements deep at that point anyway, and I would honestly prefer (since there are redirects for 90% of the Summer/Winter games) to leave it be for the time being. Once the merger is completely finished I might be able to go in and clean up the code, do some tweaks, and provide more custom coding. This isn't to say that going four deep would be impossible, but when one parameter takes up four lines of code it becomes much harder to find potential errors when making changes.
 * Due to the oddity of having four different names for "one" competition, I had to code the Commonwealth headers a little bit differently. Again, once the dust settles on this merge I can probably refine things to be more accurate.
 * Tuvalu is directly transcluding IB country at games, which does not default to 0s. Feel free to add 0s to the article, though. Primefac (talk) 12:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Once the merger is complete hopefully these can be implemented. Once again thanks for picking up the ball and running with this. It is very much appreciated. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 06:02, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

NOCname

 * This might not be possible, but can the NOCname parameter automatically show up on the template if you input the IOC code? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Can it be done? Sure. Should it be done? That depends on if a 260-item #switch statement is worth creating. I think I see where you're going with this (one-stop shop in case a NOCname changes), but that's an awfully large search depth (even if you break it down by first letter). I'll see if I can integrate it into another project I've got going on tied to this one, but it won't be a super-high priority. Primefac (talk) 03:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also sorry to sound demanding, but would it be possible to have the font size be a bit bigger? Also for Olympics and the Asian Games to show winter and summer articles at the same time. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I too would love seeing Summer and Winter games at the same time. At the moment you can see either Summer and Intercalated games or Winter and Intercalated Games, but not all three. If the template is going to be used for Youth Olympics and/or Paralympic games, showing both Summer and Winter games would be great there too. -- Lejman (talk) 16:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, I don't follow this that closely, and haven't checked, but in case you guys haven't noticed this yet - Singapore is now SGP, instead of SIN. The change occurred after the Rio Games. Billbambam (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)Bill Mallon
 * Font size is the standard infobox text size.
 * summerappearances and winterappearances are available for use, as is youthappearances.
 * SGP has been accounted for, as far as the templates go. Primefac (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand what was wrong with the template as it was. This is too complicated now. Jmj713 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Redundancy was the issue. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * @Primefac, is it possible to get a new parameter titled discipline(s)? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Also for Indonesia and Vietnam at the Asian Winter Games, it lists all the years in the infobox, even though its their debut. Compare this with Turkmenistan or Sri Lanka (both making their debuts) that only show 2017. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And for Kuwait 2017 does not show up in the template. How do I also show the other appearances in the template? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * First question - that's a discussion for the template talk page. Second questions - there are two ways to "fix" that - the first is to use app_begin_year, but this requires updating on every page. The other option (which I have implemented) is to modify Module:Team appearances list/data. This was also why the 2017 Kuwait appearance was missing (which I have also updated).

Same person?
I started a discussion at Talk:Alphons De Cuyper, with the question: how could we know if Alphons De Cuyper and Alphonse Decuyper are the same person? Thanks, Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 20:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Warning on http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/ closing down and migrating
http://olympstats.com/2016/08/21/the-olymadmen-and-olympstats-and-sports-reference/


 * And it's gone.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 19:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Damn. Can someone (User:Canadian Paul?) contact the Olymadmen or the IOC to ask them nicely if some form of soft redirect, or bot-friendly url translation system can be done to minimise the effect on the thousands of affected links? A check at Special:LinkSearch is limited to 60000 items (Olympics start at 10000), and that's only up to names starting with Sn, let alone the non-athlete links! The-Pope (talk) 12:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * From Bill Mallon - I'm not much of a Wikipedian, but I'm the leader/CEO of the OlyMADMen (OMM) who has provided all the data for the sports-reference.com/olympics pages since 2008. I'm also the guy who wrote that Olympstats.com post noted above - all the Olympstats are provided by the OMM. It is true that sports-reference is shutting down and did so officially 2 days ago (30 November). We understand the problem for Wikipedia with links, as we know you guys link to SR quite bit, and we appreciate that. As Olympstats said, our data is being migrated to an official IOC site, with that process now ongoing. Hope to have it up in early 2017, although I cannot be precise about dates. SR will continued to maintain Olympic data that we provide for baseball, basketball, and ice hockey, per our agreements with SR and the IOC. I will talk to the IOC to see if there is anything we can do to help with the many affected links on Wikipedia-Olympic pages. We'll try to work with you on this to the extent that we can. Billbambam (talk) 13:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)Bill Mallon, MD; CEO, OlyMADMen
 * First of all, thank you Bill for all the information that your group has provided over the years. I think that with over 50k broken links, this needs very high level discussions - maybe with some Wikidata gurus, as the sports-reference ID exists as a property over there.  If a bot/WikiData expert can be involved in the transition somehow, this migration might be able to be done fairly painlessly. If not, and the new website has a completely different/hidden/dynamic URL system, it could be a nightmare for years. The-Pope (talk) 15:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks Bill, that's some help to know that. There will be tens, if not hundreds of thousands of biographies and Olympic-related event pages on WP that use SR as a reference to verfiy facts. Also, our sister-project Wikidata also uses SR as a reliable source to confirm biographical data (example, scroll to the foot of this link). Hopefully I read this as not being the end, as it will all be sorted out in the near future. Esp. if all leave over Christmas is cancelled! :D  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 15:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the ping - as you can see, your message has been forwarded, haha. I'm happy to be a wiki contact on this as well if there are any questions or anything that needs doing that requires more familiarity with Wikipedia itself. Just leave a message on my talk page or ping me! Canadian   Paul  19:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I think we need some form of policy or statement to prevent our existing referenced articles from being converted to "dead link" followed by "unreferenced" followed by attempts at deletion. I know that sounds ill willed, but there are those types of people who roam wikipedia with that goal in mind.  I've been fighting them for almost a decade.  The existence of Sport-reference has literally rescued thousands of deletion attempts by my own hand alone, mostly during the BLP whitewash.   And now losing our best Olympic source, we need to head that off. Trackinfo (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, as Lugnuts just said (never thought I would write that phrase) SR/olympics is back on. We had discussions yesterday with SR and the IOC and got that done. Sports-reference was very helpful as they always are - that's a great site, not just for our olympic stuff, but as I'm sure you realize, for baseball, football, basketball, hockey. They are also going to add a soccer (football) section this coming year. SR/olympics will likely stay open until the IOC site goes live - no dates yet. We'll try to work with you to help the Wikipedians after that date. Also, the OlyMADMen (OMM) have our own private research site, Olympedia. org. We think its better and its where our base data all goes, before going to SR. If any of you guys want access to it, just email me at bam1729bam@gmail.com. Thanx for all your kind words about the SR/olympics, such as "best Olympic source" and other. - Bill Mallon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billbambam (talk • contribs) 13:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks a lot.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:31, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It would be great (for Wikidata and Wikipedias, of course), if you could later provide a list of ID mapping - old ID -> new ID. That would make conversion (at least at Wikidata) very simple. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 18:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bill - great news.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 19:39, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems to be switched back on!  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 10:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Side question - Data of SR
If SR and/or the upcoming new page are thankfull with links from Wikipedia, might SR be willing to give access to the data in a restrictive way to Wikipedia/Wikimedia (users)? This would be a great value to Wikipedia, big value in general speaking of the Olympics, and as many links to the new web page will be created, giving a great value of the website. Or is there big money involved with selling this data?Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 21:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of a number of country-by-year Paralympics articles
An editor has tagged quite a few of the "$COUNTRY at the $YEAR Paralympics" articles for proposed deletion here, with the rationale that they are stubby and duplicate information in the main article for the year's Paralympics. Since the proposed deletion process doesn't usually get a lot of visibility, I'm posting here so other editors are aware if they wish to review these. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 04:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I know this is a bit of a BEANS note, but I do ask that those interested actually review the PRODs and not just remove them with reckless abandon, because a lot of them are stubby and contain no novel information over the "$YEAR Paralympics" articles. It's pretty easy to get a REFUND on PROD-deleted pages, so the simple fact that more information could be added (at some magical date in the future) is not really a reason to de-PROD (as an anecdote, I'm in the middle of trying to sort out a 600-article AFD because a disgruntled editor removed the PRODs with no better reason than that they didn't want the pages deleted, so the original editor has now AFD'd them all). Primefac (talk) 04:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That's precisely why I posted here (and over at WikiProject Multi-sport events); between the Paralympic articles and the articles on other multi-sport events, there are over 700 PRODs that need to be looked at. After going through a few of them, I noticed that some of them at least had a little information but others were fairly useless one-liners of the "$COUNTRY competed at the $YEAR $EVENT" format without even an athlete or medal count. (This is further complicated by some of the multi-sport events being less well-covered in the first place.) I don't have anywhere near the time to evaluate 700+ articles myself over the holidays, hence the call for more eyes. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 05:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This appears to be a bulk deletion effort on the part of Sportsfan 1234. Without getting into the merits of the individual articles, on principle this is a bad route to go.  If there is a bulk problem, then there should be a discussion on the bulk merits.  To submit so many prods at once deliberately overwhelms the system.  It becomes a unilateral means to an end.  No rational editor or group of editors could possibly address all of these cases.  Each of these should be first de-prodded and then that discussion should begin somewhere.  This is not an issue I wish to get that deep into.  Sportsfan 1234, please take appropriate action so I don't need to become a jerk about it. Trackinfo (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I count 700+ PRODs in the past week. I doubt that is a good use for automated tools, but I am not that familiar with it. Nabla (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * pinging you so you're aware of the discussion, since it doesn't look like Trackinfo's ping worked. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 13:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with . If more information can be added ever, it is a legitimate reason to deprod. Wikipedia is a work in progress and always will be. There is no precedence for deleting stubs just because they are stubs. On the other hand, if more info can't be added, the articles need to be deleted, and that in my opinion should take place via the systematic procedure of an AfD nomination. 103.6.159.68 (talk) 16:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Normally I would concede your point, but in this particular instance the pages were all created by a serial bot-assisted user who is currently having all of their BLP articles deleted for gross violations. In a random spattering of pages I checked, only a very small handful were edited by anyone other than this editor. Thus, chances are they would moulder in stubland indefinitely. As I mentioned before, if someone feels the urge to recreate the pages, REFUNDs are easily available. However, since they have been de-PROD'd the point is rather moot. Primefac (talk) 02:15, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * , you don't seem to see the full picture. They haven't all been deprodded. As of yesterday, there were ~355 standing PRODs added by Sportsfan 1234, in addition to the 5 or 6 bundled AfDs. Secondly, pages weren't created by Sander.v.Ginkel, if that's whom you are referring to. Clearly, the different pages were created by different and unrelated editors. for eg, Aruba at the 2010 Central American and Caribbean Games by Eljohnson15, Kuwait at the 2002 Asian Games by Bill Wompton Compton, etc. Please don't spread misinformation. 103.6.159.68 (talk) 06:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Didn't see this until now. Anyway, I removed 99% of the Paralympic prods per WP:NOLY ("Nations participating at an individual Summer or Winter, Olympic or Paralympic Games are considered notable"). End of discussion. Merry Christmas.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 16:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The prods for the Paralympic pages are gone now via Lugnuts. I am in the opinion that these articles should have some substance (results, medalists etc.) otherwise there is no point in having them. If somebody is looking for information they are going to find something if they read the main xxxx Paralympics page. I apologize if this is seen as disruptive, but my intentions were never to disrupt the project, merely to reduce the amount of pages that I felt were duplicating information. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I propose that all nation page articles have some content (results, medalists etc.) Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your offer. I'm sure everyone will welcome this constructive approach. Thincat (talk) 09:34, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Lots of articles that will very likely be deleted
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Olympian articles that will probably end up being deleted, and quickly. Please see this for more. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 08:04, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Unused Olympic sidebar navboxes
There's a discussion I opened at TFD re Template:RugbyUnionAt1920SummerOlympics that turns out to be a broader one concerning whether such unused templates, which only deal with one event, should be retained (multi-event ones are in common use). ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 08:18, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC on template display options
There is an RfC about a template that falls into the purview of this project. Your input is requested at the template's talk page. Primefac (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * With the holiday season over, I thought it might be worth bumping this discussion. Primefac (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Djibouti at the Olympics
We have been working on making Djibouti at the Olympics a Good Topic. All articles are either Good Articles or at GAN right now with the exception of Djibouti at the Olympics. We aren't really sure what else we could possibly add to that article. Should we be summarizing each Olympic they appeared in> Let me know if you have suggestions, thanks! Kees08 (talk) 14:21, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

16,000 BLPs moving out of mainspace
Hi. Some of you will be aware of an ongoing issue of BLP articles created by Sander.v.Ginkel. The background at ANI can be found here. The discussion on the cleanup can be found here. In short, 16,000 BLP articles are being moved out of the mainspace to draftspace. This has already started following a Bot Approval. This should be complete in the next 48hrs or so. Articles will remain in draft for 90 days. In that time, they can be checked, and if OK, moved back to the mainspace. Anything not checked after 90 days will be deleted automatically.

So how can you help? The BLPs are broken down by occupational area. If an one of these interests you, please help. Even if it is checking one article. Check the article that has been moved to draft that a) it meets the notability requirement of the occupational area in question and b) that the facts in the article are supported by the sources. This includes, but is not limited to, the dates of birth, who they represented, when they were active, etc. If there are elements that can not be supported by the sources, they must be removed. If you are happy with the article, then move it back into the mainspace. DO NOT move anything until you have checked the sources, or supplied other reliable sources to support information in the article that may not already be cited. More information can be found here.

This is not going to be an easy task. I don't think there's too much support to check 16,000+ articles and I suspect that most of them will be gone after 90 days. If you have any questions, please raise them here. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 11:45, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Multi-sport article deletions
Please note that a large number of articles on multi-sport events have been nominated for deletion and require input. The comments so far are leaning delete. I have stated a preference to merge data to the central articles rather than wholesale deletion of it. User:Sportsfan 1234 has also separately PRODded a large number of articles in the last few days which are not listed here. I've contested a few keys articles, such as 2016 ASEAN University Games but haven't reviewed them all. SFB 23:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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A favor
A representative of Trevon Jenifer came on the live help chat and asked for assistance in updating Mr Jenifer's medal count: "he won gold in the pan american games in toronto canada, and gold in paralympic games in Rio". I'm sure the relevant templates are simple once you get used to them, but they make my eyes glaze over.

I know Mr Jenifer is a paralympian, and that there's a different wikiproject for that, but that project isn't as active as this one. And I did say I'd ask.

Could one of you update the medal count accordingly? Thanks. DS (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It appears the medal count is already fixed. Is there anything in particular they wanted? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * " his medal count looks like a mess and needs to be updated in the paragraph section as well (...) could you fix the medal count on the left too please and update it in the paralympic wheelchair basketball section (...) in both the chart on the left and in the paragraph under national team". If that's already accomplished, then I guess we're done? DS (talk) 13:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Kianoush Rostami - Edit war and cultural whitewashing
We have had a problem on the wiki page for weightlifter Kianoush Rostami for several months now. I added a part about his Kurdish ethnicity, to which he himself has referred to on his Instagram account. This is important because as most of you might now Iran is an oppressive country and the Kurdish minority is heavily oppressed. The denial of the Kurdish ethnicity is part of this oppression. Some users kept deleting every single reference to his ethnicity in order to make him look as a purely Iranian (Persian) athlete.

Previously, the page was protected by the moderators when the section about his ethnicity was still up there. Then the protection expired, and the same user whom I've been warring with, removed that section. Then the moderators protected it again, this time without any mention to his ethnicity.

I have struck up this issue multiple times through Wikipedia's confusing and bureaucratic system. The moderator (EdJohnston) has not been very helpful and quite dismissive of my arguments on his talk page. I am the only one who has made an effort to present arguments on Rostami's Talk Page, the Iranian user has never made any attempt to engage. EdJohnston told me to take it up here and ask if "Instagram would count as an acceptable source". Well, since Kianoush Rostami himself wrote it (the text reads: "I am a servant to Kermanshani Kurds, to all the Kurds in the world"), I don't know what source would be better.

I don't understand what is going on here. I can't imagine this being accepted if some American athlete like Jeremy Lin would write something about his ethnic background and then someone would just keep deleting it. It seems like the Wikipedia moderators are actively picking the side of an oppressive state that is actively engaged in cultural genocide. Tehsojiro (talk) 12:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Rugby union / Rugby sevens at the Olympics
I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union at Rugby union and Rugby sevens at the Olympics - please contribute to the discussion there: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union. StAnselm (talk) 04:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion of merger
Hi there. I am suggesting a merger between List of flag bearers for Djibouti at the Olympics and Djibouti at the Olympics. The discussion is located on the latter's talk page. There is a very minimal amount of content located in the former's article now, and can be easily included into the latter's. Please direct any discussion there, thanks! Kees08 (talk) 02:51, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikilink the event or not?
like so or like so? There are no other links to that page on the page. - Immigrant laborer (talk) 11:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:BOLDAVOID states that "Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the opening sentence of a lead". Try to rewrite the opening paragraph to allow the linking to event somewhere else. The-Pope (talk) 11:48, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Participation of women in the Olympics
Hi! FuriouslySerene and I are working on a merger project of Women at the Olympics and International Olympic Committee and gender equality in sports. We are working on merging both articles into a new one located at Participation of women in the Olympics. We are currently working on a draft for the article located at Draft:Participation of women in the Olympics. I would appreciate it if some of you could join us and contribute to the draft and give us suggestions at the draft's talk page. Thanks in advance, Jith12 (talk) 21:48, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Infobox - Country at Games
The new infobox for (Country) at the (year) (summer/winter) Olympics is pretty. However, it still only lists either all summer games, or all winter games. I think that's a major, unnecessary, downside. Is there anything we can do to address this? -- Lejman (talk) 06:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I had an RFC up for two whole months and got all of one response. And now you're interested? Primefac (talk) 20:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Probably be more interest 1,200 days from now.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:10, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Macedonia Olympic categories at CfD
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that St. Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee be merged into Saint Kitts and Nevis at the Olympics. The latter article is not very long, and the former article is already in it.  Kees08  (Talk)   15:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , it looks like you've already pretty much finished up the merger, so I say just be BOLD and redirect the Committee article. Primefac (talk) 15:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, this is only my second merger. If it is simple like that, so I need to propose it at all? I was going to propose a merger of the flag bearers as well, but I would rather just do it.  Kees08  (Talk)   17:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If it's a relatively uncontroversial merge (like this one) then you don't need to formally propose one. If you're not sure if it should be merged or not, then it might be a decent idea to start a discussion and ping projects. Primefac (talk) 17:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

RFC on sports notability
An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Los Angeles bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics
FYI there's a copyright violation notice at Los Angeles bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics being a copypaste of the committee's pages -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 07:35, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Paris bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics
FYI, there's a cleanup notice at Paris bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 07:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

2024 Summer Olympics
FYI, there's a copyright violation notice at 2024 Summer Olympics -- 70.51.200.162 (talk) 07:40, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Javelin throw at the Olympics
This article: "Javelin throw at the Olympics" has a picture of Matti Järvinen of Finland off to the right hand side of the page. When clicked a larger version of the picture appears, along with a caption that claims Mr. Järvinen is throwing at the 1932 Olympic Games. In 1932 the Track and Field competitions were held in the Los Angeles Coliseum, but the photograph shown was not taken in that stadium. There are two Swedish athletes visible in the background, so it might be a Finland vs Sweden dual meet, or some other European meet from around that time. But that particular picture was not taken in the Coliseum. Thank you. Finarphin (talk) 02:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC) John Reed Finarphin (talk) 02:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Dead source problems
I've raised an issue with an olympic source used at 3,000+ pages at WP:AN. Your feedback there is more than welcome! Fram (talk) 11:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Key needed for two tables in South Korea at the Olympics
There are two tables under the heading "Participated event by competition" which lack a key. What do the greyed out areas mean? What do the dots (bullets) in the boxes mean? Thanks for clarifying these points with a Key under or over the tables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nantucketbob (talk • contribs) 13:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * My guess is grey boxes are "was not a sport" and dots were "participated", but since I'm not 100% sure I'm not going to do anything. If I get a chance I'll see if other articles have similar tables, but it's likely I'll forget in ten minutes. Primefac (talk) 14:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ihab El-Lebedy


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Roger Federer: Should we include the term "male" to Greatest of All-Time?
Since you are listed as a project of interest, please consider joining in the discussion on whether or not to include the term "male" to Greatest of All-time at Talk:Roger Federer. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Simone Manuel
Hello! There is currently a dispute at Simone Manuel, an article under this WikiProject's scope, regarding the statement that Manuel is the first black woman to win a swimming gold in an individual event and whether or not Ranomi Kromowidjojo's racial background renders this statement incorrect for Manuel. Other editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Simone Manuel ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  22:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate information about participating countries
At 1908 Summer Olympics, I noticed that the list of participating countries and the number of athletes was duplicated, first presented as a compact list on two columns, then as a sortable table, initially collapsed. I kept just the table and made it visible. However I saw that the same arrangement was made at other Olympics articles, and therefore I came to this project talk page to ask why we maintain two lists at each Olympiad. If there's a compelling reason, feel free to undo my change for 1908. If there is none, then perhaps we should decide to keep just one of the two lists, pick a display style and apply it to all events. — JFG talk 20:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

2024 and 2028 Olympics for In the News
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Removing gay athletes from gay categories
User:Kevin_McE is wholly invested in removing the entry Colin_Jackson from the appropriate LGBT sportspeople categories, using what I can only describe as a nonsensical argument that Jackson doesn't belong in the category because he's identifying as gay is irrelevant to his public life - despite the fact that he's come out and did so in a public venue (on TV no less). Jackson previously denied being gay, and the entry has covered his denial for years. It makes sense that it must now acknowledge his admission. Kevin insists on not accepting that point. Can you all please add your two cents on the Talk Page to the entry? Thanks. Rafe87 (talk) 16:05, 31 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't know why Rafe87 has thought fit to raise this here: maybe there is grounds for discussion at WP:CATEGRS, the relevant policy. Kevin McE (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Olympic event sidebars
Howdy all. I'm looking for some people involved in this project who might be interested in helping me do some template work. What I'm looking at doing is converting the many, MANY event sidebar templates (Template:GymnasticsAt2012SummerOlympics for example). Ideally I'd like to make use of sidebar but they may require a custom template from the ground up. Right now I'm just brainstorming but wanted to see if there is anyone that would be interested in being involved? -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:17, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Cricket at the Olympics at AfD
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:38, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Some issues were found regarding the article
"I AM HAVING A SLIGHT CONFUSION REGARDING THIS SPORTSPERSON WHETHER HE COMPETED AT THE OLYMPICS OR NOT?"

Björn Forslund is a speed skating player who has represented Sweden in the 1992 Summer Olympics (Sweden at the 1992 Summer Olympics.Here's a source. Take a look at it. The above information is derived from an Olympic website
 * There are some unreliable facts regarding the article, especially the birth date and the country where he (Forslund) born are confusing with comparing two sources.


 * The article was created on September 6th and at the beginning, the particular User struggled with creating article by providing unclear information and didn't include any information that Björn Forslund is an Olympic athlete and went onto say that he is a sailor, coach and an entrepreneur.


 * On the other hand the article Sweden at the 1992 Summer Olympics didn't depict even a single word or a red link (to my eyes) related to  Björn Forslund, the only article available in English Wikipedia at the moment starting with this name. Abishe (talk) 18:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * He was at the Winter Olympics (1992 had both Summer and Winter Olympics). See Sweden at the 1992 Winter Olympics and Speed skating at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Men's 500 metres also lists him as a competitor. GhostOrchid35 (talk) 07:04, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS
Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack &#124; talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Project Grant proposal, US Women Olympians and Paralympians
Hello! Here is the current draft of a Project Grant proposal of likely interest to WikiProject Olympics: US Women Olympians & Paralympians. Your feedback would be most welcome. Penny Richards (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest
Hi. In November The Women in Red World Contest is being held to try to produce new articles for as many countries worldwide and occupations as possible. There will be over $4000 in prizes to win, including Amazon vouchers and paid subscriptions. If you think you'd be interested in contributing new articles on Women olympians or sportspeople during this month wherever please sign up in the participants section. If you're not interested in prize money yourself but are willing to participate and raise money to buy books about women for others to use, this is also fine. Help would also be appreciated in drawing up the lists of missing articles. If you think of any missing articles on olympians please add them to the sub lists by continent/country at Missing articles. Thankyou, and if taking part, good luck!♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:22, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Template flags question
There is a discussion regarding changing a few flags in country alias. Your input is requested at this location. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Xue Yinxian and massive doping in China
See here --167.58.10.101 (talk) 17:35, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

2008 Olympics
With the recent doping disqualifications just announced these pages could do with some more eyes. Especially this one. GhostOrchid35 (talk) 03:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Update on https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/ website
You might have noticed the website has updated with 2016 results despite being due to close and the contents migrating to an officially backed IOC site. Latest plans are for the IOC site to be up and running by the end of the year although that depends on the switchover not running into any unforeseen problems. User:Billbambam is happy to answer if anybody has any questions on this Topcardi (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC) Best to contact me via email at bam1729bam@gmail.com User:Billbambam (talk) 1814, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update. Is anyone else having display issues with SR? Diacritic letters (à, for example) don't display correctly. I've checked this in various browsers, both home and at work.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:40, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm having the same issue. Also tried SR in multiple browsers. GhostOrchid35 (talk) 20:13, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks GO - making sure it wasn't just me!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

FYI: OLY!
OLY are now post-nominal letters formally granted to all Summer and Winter Olympians, sponsored by the IOC Athletes Association and recognized by national Olympic committees. See this article here. I have a feeling some people will be resistant to adding these to Wikipedia articles but I hope it's given support. Thomas Bach was the first to receive his official certificate granting him use of the post-nominal and I added it to his article using the post-nom template. It would be great if it was used for all Olympians, as being an Olympian is a relatively rare honor and achievement. —Мандичка YO 😜 12:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

2014 winter olympics
Need some revamp in light of the Russian doping allegations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.125.135.173 (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Olympics

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 17:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Further update on https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/ website
A while ago there was concern about what would happen when SR/Olympics closes down and the info migrates to the new IOC website. Happy to say we now have a complete set of tab-delimited text files for all the Olympic athletes in SR. So when we know exactly what the address of the new website will be we can send you a file which gives the old and new addresses of each page in order to convert one to the other. For example (78857) https:​//www.​sports-reference.​com/olympics/athletes/oe/al-oe​rter-1  will equal       http:​//www.​(websitename)/athletes/78857​ Feel free to contact User:Billbambam or me Topcardi (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update - that is useful.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:34, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Do we have anyone lined up to work on a bot to convert the links?   Kees08  (Talk)   14:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If you've got a list of A that needs to be converted to B, I'm happy to do that for ya. Primefac (talk) 14:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe IABot was sent to archive it a while ago. : Could you link a google drive folder with the text files? Thanks, Dat GuyTalkContribs 14:52, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

North Korea at the 2018 winter olympics
I am running into 3rr territory, but hopefully there is someone who can restore that Japan has in fact qualified for the pairs event because PRK did not register. I understand that the IOC is trying to make a way for the PRK pair to still compete, but it is not even confirmed that they still will compete anyway.18abruce (talk) 17:04, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:BRD comes to mind - when you're stuck, discuss on the talk? If you still reach a deadlock (or they don't respond) at least you'll demonstrate that you tried. Primefac (talk) 17:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually I looked a little closer at the follow up edit by smartyllama and it appears to sufficiently express the current ambiguity with the PRK situation. And that particular editor did restore the sources, so good enough for me, for now.  Thank you.18abruce (talk) 17:12, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Olympics
Hi. In Wikimedia Spain we want to organice Wiki Loves the Olympics again this year, and I want to know if you will have a list of athletes for the Olympics Games 2018. Thank you so much. --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 21:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics
, I noticed you just killed ; what are your thoughts for where the ice hockey team should be listed? Primefac (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * My thoughts are on the 2018 Winter Olympics talk page. I think the team should be listed across both North and South Korea's individual pages and a note on the 2018 Olympic page. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:42, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * In any case, I believe a dab to North and South is better than a redirect to 2018 Winter Olympics.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:44, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, cool, didn't see that conversation. Also, we already have Korea at the Olympics, so I agree that we should probably redirect there. Primefac (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Page moves
Shouldn't we redirect articles in Category:National records in Olympic weightlifting per WP:LISTNAME. Example: "Albanian records in Olympic weightlifting" → "List of Albanian records in Olympic weightlifting"? --Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That seems reasonable. I'd probably wait until there's a consensus (either here or elsewhere) before moving that many pages, though. Primefac (talk) 03:55, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree it is reasonable (though this is not redirecting, this is moving).--Ymblanter (talk) 08:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI - weightlifting is not the only group with this issue. See Category:Sports national records. Thanks. SFB 19:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Qualification sections for 2018 Winter Olympics
Now all pages about individual events have been created. It would be great if someone knowledgeable could summarize the qualification requirements for example how it has been done here (my apologies that I copied this without a proper attribution from one of the articles, will try to correct). I am not qualified to do it myself, otherwise I would have done it. We need one paragraph for each sports (plus relays and team events could be a bit special).--Ymblanter (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Acknowledging as the author of the paragraph I refer to.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I can create them and post them here... but I will do that on the weekend. Please remind me then, thanks! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I should be around and able to ping you.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * --Ymblanter (talk) 13:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I will post them here. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * For curling and ice hockey, I don't think the sections below are necessary, let me know what you think. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:43, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * , not sure if the qualification links are on each page. I have not listed them below. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:43, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I will figure out where to add text, and in any case we can always add it later if I miss smth. Ice hockey and curling are the results of tournaments, I will see what I can write there and whether it is at all necessary. Thanks a lot.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, I haven't really looked at (just skimmed) the text below, but if you're talking about using the same text across multiple pages we should probably use Labeled section transclusion so that if something needs/gets updated it will update across all pages. Primefac (talk) 16:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Pretty much the same across all sports, with minor event specific changes., I am stopping for now and will finish the rest later. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks Sportsfan 1234., it might be useful to transclude the text indeed, but so far we never used any piece in more than six instances.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Six instances is still quite a lot, but if you think it's not necessary that's fine. I haven't had a chance to really look at the situation (yet) so I'll trust your judgement (just let me know). Primefac (talk) 16:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Let us wait then until we have all the descriptions. So far the biggest are six for cross-country (not sprint, not relay, and not short distance) and four (two instances) for alpine skiing, but there are other sports coming with a lot of events (biathlon, snowboarding, freestyle skiing, short track, and speed skating).--Ymblanter (talk) 16:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)\


 * I have now added snoboarding/freestyle skiing. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Alpine skiing
 * (For Super G/Downhill)
 * A total of up to 320 alpine skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard only, which meant having 80 or less FIS Points and being ranked in the top 500 in the Olympic FIS points list. The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the 2017–18 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). After the distribution of B standard quotas (to nations competing only in the slalom and giant slalom events), the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter a maximum of four athletes for the event.


 * (For combined)
 * A total of up to 320 alpine skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard only, which meant having 140 or less FIS Points and being ranked in the top 500 in the Olympic FIS points list. The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Athletes were also required to have 80 or less FIS points in the downhill. Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the 2017–18 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). After the distribution of B standard quotas (to nations competing only in the slalom and giant slalom events), the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter a maximum of four athletes for the event.


 * (For slalom/giant slalom)
 * A total of up to 320 alpine skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard, which meant having 140 or less FIS Points and being ranked in the top 500 in the Olympic FIS points list or meeting the B standard, which meant 140 or less FIS points. Countries not meeting the A standard were allowed to enter a maximum of one B standard athlete per gender. The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the 2017–18 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). After the distribution of B standard quotas (to nations competing only in the slalom and giant slalom events), the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter a maximum of four athletes for the event.


 * Biathlon


 * Bobsleigh
 * Two men
 * The top three countries in the 2017–18 Bobsleigh season (including the World Cup, Europe races and Americas Cup) were awarded the maximum three sleds. The next six countries were awarded two sleds each. The remaining nine sleds were awarded to nine different countries, with South Korea being awarded a slot as host nation..
 * Four men
 * The top three countries in the 2017–18 Bobsleigh season (including the World Cup, Europe races and Americas Cup) were awarded the maximum three sleds. The next six countries were awarded two sleds each. The remaining nine sleds were awarded to nine different countries, with Australia being awarded an Oceania continental quota and South Korea being awarded a slot as host nation.


 * women
 * The top two countries in the 2017–18 Bobsleigh season (including the World Cup, Europe races and Americas Cup) were awarded the maximum three sleds. The next four countries were awarded two sleds each. The remaining six sleds were awarded to six different countries, with Australia being awarded an Oceania continental quota, Nigeria being awarded with the African quota and South Korea being awarded a slot as host nation.


 * Cross-country skiing (10km men/15k women)
 * A total of up to 310 cross-country skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard, which meant having 100 or less FIS Points or meeting the B standard, which meant 300 or less FIS points in the distance classification. Countries not meeting the A standard were allowed to enter a maximum of one B standard athlete per gender. The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the FIS Olympics Points list (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). Countries also received an additional quota (one per gender maximum) if an athlete was ranked in the top 300 of the FIS Olympics Points list. After the distribution of B standard quotas, the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter a maximum of four athletes for the event.


 * For all other events (minus relays/sprint/team sprint)
 * A total of up to 310 cross-country skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard, which meant having 100 or less FIS Points in the distance classification. The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the FIS Olympics Points list (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). Countries also received an additional quota (one per gender maximum) if an athlete was ranked in the top 300 of the FIS Olympics Points list. After the distribution of B standard quotas, the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter a maximum of four athletes for the event.


 * Relays
 * A total of up to 310 cross-country skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard, which meant having 100 or less FIS Points in either the sprint or distance classification. The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the FIS Olympics Points list (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). Countries also received an additional quota (one per gender maximum) if an athlete was ranked in the top 300 of the FIS Olympics Points list. After the distribution of B standard quotas, the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter the event if it had qualified at least four male athletes, and a country could enter only one team.

Note the last line needs to switch men for women for the women's relay


 * Individual sprint
 * A total of up to 310 cross-country skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard, which meant having 100 or less FIS Points or meeting the B standard, which meant 120 or less FIS points in the sprint classification. Countries not meeting the A standard were allowed to enter a maximum of one B standard athlete per gender. The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the FIS Olympics Points list (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). Countries also received an additional quota (one per gender maximum) if an athlete was ranked in the top 300 of the FIS Olympics Points list. After the distribution of B standard quotas, the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter a maximum of four athletes for the event.


 * Team sprint
 * A total of up to 310 cross-country skiers qualified across all eleven events. Athletes qualified for this event by having met the A qualification standard, which meant having 100 or less FIS Points The Points list takes into average the best results of athletes per discipline during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018). Countries received additional quotas by having athletes ranked in the top 30 of the FIS Olympics Points list (two per gender maximum, overall across all events). Countries also received an additional quota (one per gender maximum) if an athlete was ranked in the top 300 of the FIS Olympics Points list. After the distribution of B standard quotas, the remaining quotas were distributed using the Olympic FIS Points list, with each athlete only counting once for qualification purposes. A country could only enter a maximum of one team for the sprint consisting of two athletes.

A total of 30 skaters qualified to compete for the event, with each country allowed to only enter a maximum of three. 24 quotas were handed out during the 2017 World Figure Skating Championships and the remaining six were given out at the 2017 CS Nebelhorn Trophy. Each country decided the entry of its teams, and athletes winning the quota were not necessarily granted the right to compete. All athletes competing must have met the minimum total elements score, which does not include component scores. For the short program this was 25.00 and the free skate 45.00.
 * Figure skating (men's)

A total of 30 skaters qualified to compete for the event, with each country allowed to only enter a maximum of three. 24 quotas were handed out during the 2017 World Figure Skating Championships and the remaining six were given out at the 2017 CS Nebelhorn Trophy. Each country decided the entry of its teams, and athletes winning the quota were not necessarily granted the right to compete. All athletes competing must have met the minimum total elements score, which does not include component scores. For the short program this was 20.00 and the free skate 36.00.
 * Figure skating (women's)

A total of 22 teams qualified to compete for the event, with each country allowed to only enter a maximum of three. Originally only 20 spots were available, but due to the invitation of the North and South Korean teams, the quota jumped to 22. 16 quotas were handed out during the 2017 World Figure Skating Championships and four were given out at the 2017 CS Nebelhorn Trophy. Each country decided the entry of its teams, and athletes winning the quota were not necessarily granted the right to compete. The South Korean were given an additional quota as host nation, after they failed to qualify through the World Championships or Nebelhorn Trophy. North Korea, who originally qualified at the Nebelhorn Trophy, did not register its athletes in time. However, after the country agreed to participate in the games, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) allowed the pair to compete. All pairs competing must have met the minimum total elements score, which does not include component scores. For the short program this was 20.00 and the free skate 36.00.
 * Pairs

A total of 24 teams qualified to compete for the event, with each country allowed to only enter a maximum of three. 19 quotas were handed out during the 2017 World Figure Skating Championships, however the Denmark had to return the quota as one of their athletes did not have citizenship (and was the only eligible team from the country). This meant the remaining six were given out at the 2017 CS Nebelhorn Trophy. Each country decided the entry of its teams, and athletes winning the quota were not necessarily granted the right to compete. All pairs competing must have met the minimum total elements score, which does not include component scores. For the short program this was 19.00 and the free skate 29.00.
 * Ice dance

A total of 10 teams qualified to compete. Each nation must have qualified in three of the other four events to be considered for the team event. All athletes must have qualified for one of the other four events. However, if a nation did not qualify in one of the other four events, it was awarded an additional quota only for the team event. This was only used for Israel in the women's event.
 * Team event

Section break

 * Freestyle skiing (Aerials)
 * The top 25 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 FIS World Cup event or FIS Freestyle World Ski Championships during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 80 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Freestyle skiing (Moguls)
 * The top 30 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 80 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Freestyle skiing (Ski cross)
 * The top 32 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 80 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Freestyle skiing (Men's halfpipe/slopestyle)
 * The top 30 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Freestyle skiing (Women's halfpipe/slopestyle)
 * The top 30 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.

Using the Olympic Quota Allocation List and Continental Cup Standings, when no athletes remain in the allocation list (which includes results from July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018), the top 50 athletes were awarded quotas (with maximum of five per country). Only maximum of four could be entered into this event. The remaining five quotas were given to countries with three athletes to make a team. If a minimum of ten teams were already formed in the first 50, then the remaining five quotas would be allocated using the allocation list or continental cup standings.
 * Nordic combined (individual events)

Using the Olympic Quota Allocation List and Continental Cup Standings, when no athletes remain in the allocation list (which includes results from July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018), the top 50 athletes were awarded quotas (with maximum of five per country). Only a maximum of one team of four athletes could be entered into the event. The remaining five quotas were given to countries with three athletes to make a team. If a minimum of ten teams were already formed in the first 50, then the remaining five quotas would be allocated to the individual competition.
 * Nordic combined (team)


 * Luge

The top 32 athletes using the
 * Short track speed skating (500/1000m)

30 athletes qualified. Qualification is based on the combined rankings (across all four tours) as of January 14, 2018. The top three countries received three quotas each, the next six received two each and the last nine were awarded to nine different countries. Men had to be ranked in the top 60, after eliminating non-quota-earning competitors from countries that have earned their maximum quota. Ghana was awarded the continental quota for Africa. Competitors must compete in five different races on three different tracks during the 2016/17 season or 2017/18 season. 20 athletes qualified. Qualification is based on the combined rankings (across all four tours) as of January 14, 2018. The top two countries received three quotas each, the next four received two each and the last six were awarded to six different countries. The Netherlands rejected one of its two quotas. Women had to be ranked in the top 45, after eliminating non-quota-earning competitors from countries that have earned their maximum quota. Nigeria was awarded the continental quota for Africa, while Australia received the Oceania quota. South Korea qualified as host nation. Competitors must compete in five different races on three different tracks during the 2016/17 season or 2017/18 season.
 * Skeleton
 * Men
 * Women


 * Ski jumping


 * Snowboarding (parallel)
 * The top 32 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 100 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Men's halfpipe
 * The top 30 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Women's halfpipe
 * The top 24 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Men's snowboard cross
 * The top 40 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 100 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Women's snowboard cross
 * The top 24 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified, with a maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 100 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Men's slopestyle
 * The top 40 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified (for both big air and slopestyle, the rankings were combined). This meant only a maximum of 40 could qualify across both events. A maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) was allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Men's big air
 * The top 40 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified (for both big air and slopestyle, the rankings were combined). This meant only a maximum of 40 could qualify across both events. A maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) was allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event (in either big air or slopestyle) or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Women's slopestyle
 * The top 30 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified (for both big air and slopestyle, the rankings were combined). This meant only a maximum of 30 could qualify across both events. A maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) was allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Women's big air
 * The top 30 athletes in the Olympic quota allocation list qualified (for both big air and slopestyle, the rankings were combined). This meant only a maximum of 30 could qualify across both events. A maximum of four athletes per National Olympic Committee (NOC) was allowed. All athletes qualifying must also have placed in the top 30 of a FIS World Cup event (in either big air or slopestyle) or the FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2017 during the qualification period (July 1, 2016 to January 21, 2018) and also have a minimum of 50 FIS points to compete. If the host country, South Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics did not qualify, their chosen athlete would displace the last qualified athlete, granted all qualification criterion was met.


 * Speed skating

FIS quotas and PRK
With the (confirmed) news about the number of North Koreans participating, I find it odd that the FIS did not include them in their quota list for cross-country and alpine skiing. I was hoping for some opinions on why this may be, or news that I am missing. It occurred to me that it is possible that the 2 men and 1 woman could be included in the South's quota of 2 men and 2 women for each discipline, but I don't think so. Any direction on how to handle this would be appreciated.18abruce (talk) 14:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I imagine North Korea is not part of the 320 and 310 athlete quota for alpine skiing and cross-country skiing respectively. The IOC is essentially creating athlete quotas for North Korea to participate in, which allows them to circumvent qualification rules (North Korea has no business in qualifying 2 men in alpine/cross-country skiing). This was done for Saudi Arabia in 2016 to allow four women, including two in athletics to compete. JoshMartini007 (talk) 20:27, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

2018 Winter Olympics torch relay
Project members are invited to improve the 2018 Winter Olympics torch relay article, which is currently little more than 2 large maps. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:46, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

BLP violations
Today, there is ongoing massive edit of articles such as Biathlon at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Women's relay, where athletes are listed as disqualified but no references are added to the articles. (I suspect this is one user/IP who is edit-warring, but I am not going to start an SPI). Note that whereas the fact are correct (see ) adding them into articles without references constitutes BLP violations. I will try to add references myself, but unfortunately I have very little time this week. Some help will be appreciated.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There is massive edit-warring, and I do not have time to follow up now. The articles will stay with BLP violations.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The IOC dq'd the relay team today Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:45, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, but the references must have been in the articles (I finally added them for biathlon, but not for other sports).--Ymblanter (talk) 15:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Now, not quite unsuprisingly, there are mass edits in the articles pretending that medals have already been reallocated, see as an example.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:26, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, and now there is a massive cleanup to do, since the disruption was allowed to run its way (the medals have never been reallocated).--Ymblanter (talk) 15:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves the Olympics
Hello! The Winter Olympic Games 2018 started today and we have organized a wiki contest to improve the articles related with the Winter Olympic and the Paralympic Games. This is a multilingual project and is on Meta. You can participate till March 25. The link to the meta page is m:Wiki Loves the Olympics 2018. And don't forget that like Coubertin said "The important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win, but to take part". Thanks. --Millars (talk) 16:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves the Olympics
Hello! The Winter Olympic Games 2018 started today and we have organized a wiki contest to improve the articles related with the Winter Olympic and the Paralympic Games. This is a multilingual project and is on Meta. You can participate till March 25. The link to the meta page is m:Wiki Loves the Olympics 2018. And don't forget that like Coubertin said "The important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win, but to take part". Thanks. --Millars (talk) 16:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

ROC
Was the country code ROC ever used or even recognized by the IOC. I can't find anything supporting it and everything I find shows that delegations send by the actual Republic of China (the country which existed from 1912 until 1949) simply competed as China (CHN). The current Republic of China only ever competed as Chinese Taipei at the Olympics.Tvx1 23:47, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth: The code ROC was used for an entity the IOC considers equivalent to Chinese Taipei in 1972. (Chinese Taipei is given a 1960 recognation date here.) Codes were not used in e.g. 1948, but the only result of an athlete from China at these Games I have been able to find in the IOC database is Weng-Au Lou in the men's 10000 m. He is listed with the PRC flag and the code CHN here.62.249.160.48 (talk) 11:14, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, there is no "mainland China" (CHN) on that list from 1972.Tvx1 18:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. I don't really know more about it than you can find on Wikipedia, but the ROC withdrew when the PRC was allowed to compete in 1952. After those Games I think the PRC left the Olympic movement until the Chinese Taipei designation was created. They are listed with a 1979 recognition date on IOC's webpage. I also did some more searches in IOC's result database, and found that the athletes from the ROC in 1956 are listed with the code TPE and the Chinese Taipei Olympic flag, e.g. in 22nd place here. (Obviously, as is also the case above, the flag is historically incorrect.) To sum up the IOC lists the athletes from China in 1948 with the code CHN, and the athletes from the ROC in 1956 with the code TPE in their current database. One other thing I noticed while checking the ROC/TPE articles is that some of the current choices on Wikipedia is hindering navigation. Due to the choice of infobox at e.g. Republic of China at the 1960 Summer Olympics it is not possible to reach the previous or next participation using the infobox. 62.249.160.48 (talk) 11:06, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Event summaries
May I please encourage users who watch the Winter Olympics to add short summaries of the events to the articles, such as I have done at Speed skating at the 2018 Winter Olympics – Women's 3000 metres (thanks to the IP who copyedited it) or Biathlon at the 2018 Winter Olympics – Women's sprint. They must not be too long, and obviously should not be original research (meaning they must be ideally sourced to sports articles and less ideally must be verifiable via the protocols of the events), but I think they are valid and useful additions. I will be adding them where possible, but I am obviously working in the workdays, and also the Netherlands is not an ideal country to watch the Winter Olympics (since the distributor, being understandably obsessed with speed skating, usually does not air at all anything which can overlap with speed skating).--Ymblanter (talk) 19:17, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

IOC session hosts
At List of IOC meetings an IP keeps making changes [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_IOC_meetings&diff=825179163&oldid=825131692] to what hosts of IOC sessions are called, mainly "East Berlin East Germany" to "Berlin (East, i. e. the Soviet occupation sector)", and variations of that. Also West Germany to Germany when East Germany existed, and South Korea to Korea. I have 3 reverts. Any input? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Start a thread on the talkpage (if you haven't already), invite the IP to join in. If they don't and continue to makes those changes, then go for WP:RFPP.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:32, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Olympics calendar
A user has been making drastic changes to the 2018 Olympic calendar template, saying that they have clarified the confusions the calendar was causing. I changed it back and was immediately reverted. Any thoughts? Adamtt9 (talk) 01:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Standardizing format and finding details for Olympic duelling?


Finally got around to writing a stub about this fascinating event: apparently in 1906 dueling against a plaster dummy was an official event, and in 1908 dueling against an opponent (with wax bullets and body armor) was an exhibition event. So I've created Olympic duelling.

I'd welcome help from folks in finding out if it's been recorded who won medals at the 1906 event and what their scores were, and whatever details are normally recorded for exhibition events. I know it's out-of-season (summer game) but it's just too cool of a sport in Olympic history to ignore. Thanks for any help! MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Some sort of content is at Duel. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:32, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Please help to identify short track speed skaters
At these photos short track speed skaters are pictured and I'd like to identify who are them, so at page 8 here is protocol with numbers of participants but not any photo allow to correlate numbers with skaters. Please help me who knows these skaters.

--  Voltmetro   20:49, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Headers for team sports
We introduced headers for team sports in the 2016 Summer Olympics. I'm trying to add similar ones for these games, and I've done an ice hockey one which was straight forward enough (see below). However, making one for Curling that doesn't look ridiculous is harder, as the round robin with 9 games makes the table too big to be practical if the country names are written in full. The solution I'd prefer would to show each opponent's flag and IOC code only (So instead of "Norway", just a flag and "NOR"), which would cut down on the space needed. I don't know how a simple way to do that though, there's no template similar to Template:FlagIOC or Template:FlagIOCathlete that shows just the country code. Anyone got a good idea how to solve that?

On a related note, the country code OAR (for Olympic Athletes from Russia) would be nice if it was added! Are there any other sports that need a header that I've overlooked? Thanks in advance! -- Lejman (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll just go with flagicon and a manually written link for now. It looks good at least! :) -- Lejman (talk) 02:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me! Thanks for doing them. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not seeing this earlier. I've created flagIOCshort, which will produce (for NOR @ 2018 Olympics) . Also, OAR already exists (see ).Primefac (talk) 15:12, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * @Primefac I saw, awesome :D Someone went ahead and implemented them :) I realized I forgot about the placement games in women's ice hockey, so I added them to the ice hockey header of the countries that participated in the women's ice hockey tournament. -- Lejman (talk) 21:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Ice hockey
Key:
 * Summary
 * OT – Overtime
 * GWS – Match decided by penalty-shootout

RM to lowercase Olympic Village to Olympic village
There is a requested move to lowercase "Olympic Village" to "Olympic village". The RM can be found on the Olympic Village talk page. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Great Britain at the Olympics at RM
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

FRY redux
This is a notice that there is a discussion at WP:VEX regarding which flag should be used in the "general" and "specific" cases where Yugoslavia performs at a games. Your input is requested there. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * (copied my input from there) This is ridiculous. Countries change flags as well and this is well-shown in the infoboxes. Check Austria, Germany, Spain, South Africa, Canada, just to random name some examples. Unles someone clearly demonstrates that the SFRY flag was used at the ceremonies after 1992 (which was not the case), the flag of FRY should be used in after 1992. --Tone 20:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

"mixed" versus "open" events at the 2018 winter olympics
User Anaxagoras13 brought up an interesting point in regards to doubles luge that relates to at least one other event. If you look here at the qualfication rules for luge, and here at the qualification rules for bobsleigh, you will notice that doubles luge and 4-man bobsleigh are both listed as "open" events as opposed to "men's". Last season women competed in 4-man bobsleigh, but none did this year to have a chance to be eligible for the olympics. In doubles luge no women competed in olympic qualification, and I am unsure when the last women was ever entered in a doubles competition. The point being, I am unsure if there is any point to calling either event "mixed" when no women tried to even qualify. I believe a note should be attached to the qualfication pages, and on the individual relevant events, to note that it was at least possible, but I would like others to weigh in.18abruce (talk) 17:41, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If the event is open to all, regardless of whether one side or the other didn't make it, it's still an open-for-all event. Primefac (talk) 18:38, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * They are currently categorized as "men's events". The question is whether they should be recategorized as "mixed events" instead.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It is interesting that FIL-Luge has a "mixed" and "open" category of qualification. I guess my question is how accurate is it to call them "mixed" events when women don't even try to qualify, despite being allowed.  It seems more like a trivia answer to me, that deserves a side note.  For bobsleigh this is new, for luge my Wallechinsky encyclopedia of Olympics says that 1964-88 it was a "men's" event, and this site says the FIL changed that in 1994, but no women has competed in it.18abruce (talk) 21:51, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * "Mixed" means both men and women are competing together while "Open" means that either gender can compete. 4-man bobsled and doubles luge are open events while doubles curling or pairs figure skating is a mixed event. JoshMartini007 (talk) 22:56, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Not an Olympics example, but is "mixed singles" the same as "open"-here. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Figure skating at the 2018 Winter Olympics – Ice dancing
Might impact quite a number of articles if this is true.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * At a quick glance the official name may have changed from dancing to dance prior to Vancouver 2010. As it impacts multiple articles and years I suggest we centre any discussion here - Ba se me nt 12  (T.C) 12:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I would be happy to do the work if indeed it is agreed that any work is needed. Rodney Baggins (talk) 13:26, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, I have found the same problem with the olympic pair skating article, where we should be using the official ISU term for the discipline, i.e. "pair skating" not "pairs skating". You only have to look at the generic Pair skating article to see that this is the correct term. Unfortunately the article has the term "pairs skating" embedded in its title which is incorrect. - Maybe the two issues could be discussed in parallel? Rodney Baggins (talk) 19:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

1951 Pan American Games results
Does anyone know where I can find the official results of the 1951 Pan American Games? I'm getting conflicting sources on the results of the women's javelin vs.. Thanks. SFB 22:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This book has all the results Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * According to the book found here (page 29) Amelia Bert won gold with a throw of 37.97m but it lists her as Mexican so I'm not sure. GhostOrchid35 (talk) 10:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Those results match the ones I've gone with (albeit there is an printing alignment issue on the performances). Thanks for taking the time to find this! I'll consider this case closed. SFB 19:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Arranging men and women by gender
Hello there,

I have established a major discussion whether we can arrange men and women in a merged table or separated tables both alphabetically and by gender. Klõps kept on reverting my edits several times, and he blasted my talk page with so many messages about this issue, especially when he's currently working on the article Estonia at the 2018 Winter Olympics. If you compared the said article to the other NOCs, they're entirely different from each other.

Moreover, the rule states that In the case of a nation having more than six competitors in a given sport, this table may be further split into "Men" and "Women" results tables. And if there is less than 6 competitors then they must be arranged alphabetically according to their last names. Until now, they are indeed unclear, especially when a single table of a particular sport consists of less than 6 competitors regardless of gender.

I have a question. Should we combine men and women and arrange them according to their surnames, or should we combine men and women and arrange them first by their gender-based events, followed by their surnames alphabetically?

Raymarcbadz (talk) 18:33, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank You for starting the discussion, I'll add examples:
 * The way Raymarcbadz wants to arrange tables is by gender with males first, then last names.


 * While the rules in WP:OLYMOSNAT only states that More than a single athlete in a sport category ... must be arranged alphabetically according to their last names


 * --Klõps (talk) 18:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * (ec) I would say in this example there should be two different tables, one for men and another one for women. This is how all our articles have been organized.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:50, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea, if there's not so many competitors anyway, then the space that extra table takes, wouldn't be a problem --Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * A separate table.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@User:Raymarcbadz, but why did you make a different table to "sprint" (with both genders)? --Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sprint has different rules, it does not fit to the same table.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The rules only allow two different tables if there's more than six competitors. Raymarcbadz, himself, has been the one who implements that rule in articles, and merged all the tables. --Klõps (talk) 19:18, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, I don't implement the rules. I've worked hard with the rest of NOC articles for years, and you kept on contradicting the tradition. Better if you can discuss with and come up with an agreement if you send him a message on his talk page. Raymarcbadz (talk) 11:35, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * According to, "More than a single athlete in a sport category, whether individual, pair, or team, athletes must be arranged first with all men's events grouped before women's events ("Men's" is alphabetically first), then (if applicable) by increasing event distance/weight category/etc. within each gender, and finally alphabetically according to the last names of the athletes." , what are your thoughts about this? Raymarcbadz (talk) 13:06, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 1 – Raymarcbadz, you removed my comment, see WP:TPO you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission.
 * 2 – You removed a part from Your previous comment and posted it again. See WP:REDACT changing your comment may deprive any replies of their original context, and this should be avoided. Also any removed text should be marked.
 * 3 – Regarding the bold text. That's what is discussed here. It is strange, that if athletes are listed in same table, then they should be listed by gender. OLYMOSNAT says clearly must be arranged alphabetically according to their last names and not according their genders. It's really strange. It would be logical to list Alpha before Beta, not Beta before alpha, because beta is male.


 * {|class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%"

!rowspan=2|Athlete !rowspan=2|Event ! colspan="2" |Final !Time !Rank
 * -style="font-size:95%"
 * -align=center
 * align=left|Ben Beta
 * align=left|Event
 * -align=center
 * align=left|Anna Alpha
 * align=left|Event
 * } --Klõps (talk) 14:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * } --Klõps (talk) 14:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * } --Klõps (talk) 14:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


 * My proposal is the following table. Additionally I could create a voting pool for which standard should be used.


 * {|class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%"

!rowspan=2|Athlete !rowspan=2|Event ! colspan="2" |Final !Time !Rank ! colspan=4 |Men ! colspan=4 |Women
 * -style="font-size:95%"
 * -align=center
 * align=left|John Roe
 * align=left|Event
 * -align=center
 * align=left|Kyle Roe
 * align=left|Event
 * align=left|Event
 * -align=center
 * align=left|Jane Doe
 * align=left|Event
 * -align=center
 * align=left|Jessica Doe
 * align=left|Event
 * } --Ivaneurope (talk) 20:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * } --Ivaneurope (talk) 20:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * } --Ivaneurope (talk) 20:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


 * @Raymarcbadz, @Ymblanter, @Pelmeen10
 * I support the idea. We had discussion at my talkpage. It gives clear structure for the tables. Contrary to the situation at the moment when only insiders understand why male athletes are listed before female. --Klõps (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Two questions about Sailing at the Summer Olympics
1) The list of classes/equipment/events in the Sailing at the Summer Olympics includes the Olympics that were cancelled (1916, 1944 and 1944) and makes the table wider. This looks odd to me and is not done in other similar articles, can I remove?

2) I'm wondering about the order of events in articles, e.g. Sailing at the 2016 Summer Olympics. The events are listed (in a for me unclear order) RS:X–Laser–Finn–470–49er while World Sailing (http://www.sailing.org/olympics/rio2016/results_centre.php) and Olympics site (https://www.olympic.org/sailing) list them alphabetically 470–49er–Finn–Laser–RS:X. Is there any specific reason for the used order? Smartskaft (talk) 09:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Shannon-Ogbani Abeda or Shannon-Ogbnai Abeda?
There seems to be some confusion about the spelling of his name. The article title is at Shannon-Ogbani Abeda, but the text within the article (and the text within Eritrea at the 2018 Winter Olympics) uses Shannon-Ogbnai Abeda. Sources uses both spellings:,. Thoughts? Zagal e jo^^^ 18:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * link 2, the pyeongchang2018.com profile has his name written Ogbnai, they also link his social media accounts (at the bottom of the page) both his facebook and instagram accounts use Ogbnai. Klõps (talk) 19:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that. Think we should move the article? Zagal e jo^^^ 16:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I moved it. Zagal e jo^^^ 16:10, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect Maps on All Bid Pages
Browsing the bid pages I notice the blobs on the map are in the wrong location on all of them! Bids_for_the_2012_Summer_Olympics Bids_for_the_2016_Summer_Olympics Bids_for_the_2018_Winter_Olympics Bids_for_the_2020_Summer_Olympics

London is in Spain, Rio and Pyeongchang are out in the ocean... It seems to be an issue with the map having 200px width but undefined height. Setting height to 135px does seem to fix it and I have no clue why. I tried a few browsers on Windows 10. Template:Infobox_Olympic_bid/Map Xero Xenith (talk) 21:20, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Missing articles
I have been going through the lists and creating articles for Olympians who don't have one. I was just wondering how to treat athletes who are in the start list but then don't start. For example, see Lucrezia Fantelli at Freestyle skiing at the 2018 Winter Olympics – Women's ski cross. Does she deserve an article or not? Adamtt9 (talk) 03:11, 27 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Short answer: No, as they don't meet WP:NOLY ("...if they have competed at the modern Olympic Games..."). However, there's probably tons of coverage on every single athlete from this years' games in news sources, so if someone has the time, they'd probably pass WP:GNG, along with all their past achievements and qualification for the Olympics too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Closing ceremony
, our discussion ended up archived on my talk page, and I figured anyone else interested should probably know: I've added a flagbearer_close to infobox country at games, which will link to the closing ceremony (if it exists). I decided the best way to delineate the two was with  and   text, but if someone has a suggestion for how to do it better I'm all ears. Primefac (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * See South Korea at the 2010 Winter Olympics for the update. Primefac (talk) 16:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Perfect thank you! I have just returned from PyeongChang and have a bit of catching up too do! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:05, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Olympic competitors by country
FYI I have requested a rename of categories of the form Category:Olympic competitors by country to change to Category:Olympic competitors by delegation to reflect that not all delegations are country-based. Thanks. SFB 18:45, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Track and field sub-categories
Hi. Should something such as Category:Olympic javelin throwers exist? Or would it create un-needed category clutter for individuals who compete in multiple events (say 100m, 200m, long jump, etc). Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Athletes (track and field) at the 2016 Summer Olympics has over 2,000 articles (and Category:Olympic track and field athletes of the United States close to 2000 also), so separation might be a good idea. But those categories should have subcategories: Category:Olympic javelin throwers by country‎, Category:Olympic medalists in javelin throw, Category:Olympic javelin throwers by year‎, not individual articles, so much work needed. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I oppose this. If we divide out the events of each Olympic sport into its own category structure, navigation could be made quite difficult quite quickly. Athletics is the most vulnerable to this change given the large number of events in the sport (47 at last count). There is a tendency among some editors to keep burrowing further down the categorisation chain and I don't want to end up spending my time arguing for upmerging of things like Category:2016 Olympic javelin throwers or Category:Olympic javelin throwers of Jamaica (which this thread will inevitably become). I'm dissatisfied with the presence of things as specific as Category:Gibraltarian male middle-distance runners already to be honest. Can you nominate it for deletion ? We only have 1200 javelin thrower articles in total and I think the 300-odd categories we've already got are perhaps overkill. SFB 18:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Done. CfD discussion is here. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Titles with "– Qualification"
I am trying to make sense of article titles from Category:Olympic qualification, particularly on things like Equestrian at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Qualification or Football at the 1960 Summer Olympics – Men's African Qualifiers. Is there some guideline under which the titles are formatted with spaces before and after the dash? There seem to be hundreds of articles like this, so I am trying to get a handle on the history of labeling them this way. Thanks, Dekimasu よ! 05:58, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Bump. Dekimasu よ! 00:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Most likely it is a naturally emerged style, rather than a preordained one, that has come as a result of editors adding too much qualification info to articles like Equestrian at the 2012 Summer Olympics. It's a spin-off article. SFB 01:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * If you refer to the use of spaces around the dash then note it's an en dash and not an em dash. An em dash should be unspaced but MOS:ENDASH says: "An en dash is (that is, with a space on each side) when used as sentence punctuation". Spaced en dashes are used in many article names for "subpages" (mainspace does not have real subpages). See e.g. Category:Athletics at the 2012 Summer Olympics or Category:2017 Wimbledon Championships. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:57, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Bot to tag for articles for this project
Please see this discussion. If anyone has any thoughts/comments, please add them at the Bot Request page. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:03, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The bot was approved and is working its way through about 13,000 articles, tagging them for the project.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Sports Reference template
There is a proposal to amend the Sports Reference template and your thoughts are invited.  Schwede 66  18:39, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

What if someone wants their article deleted?
Got a question. If someone competed in the 1988 Olympics, but did not medal, of course they qualify for an article. But is it REQUIRED that they have an article? Someone who claims to be the athlete (we would have to confirm that, of course) has been blanking the article and trying to get it deleted, saying that she is not famous, not a public figure, the running was 30 years ago, and she does not wish to have an article. The article does not contain any negative or personal information, just details about her winning a bronze in a European junior championship and competing in one event in the 1988 Olympics, making it to the quarterfinals. If she confirms her identity and requests to have the article deleted, can we do that? --MelanieN (talk) 19:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging User:Lugnuts since you seem to be an authority around here. 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 19:12, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * She has emailed me to complain that the information in her article is incorrect. It's true that one of the sources is dead, although it seems unquestionably true that she was in the Olympics. --MelanieN (talk) 19:16, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I assume this is in relation to the biography of Loreen Hall. In this case, even if the user who has blanked the page is the subject of the article, the WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE would apply, which states it may be deleted. In the longterm, there is information about this individual across many other sites, other than WP, and the article has been expanded above the one-line stub I created. Therefore, the chances of this article being removed from WP are slim to zero (IMO).  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * - Which bit of her article is incorrect? Let me know, and I'll remove it.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * She didn't specify, except that the source used for the European Junior Championships is no good - which is true, it is tagged as an unsafe website and my browser won't let me go there. You created the article last August as a stub. User:L1975p then expanded it with information about the European Junior Championships, but the source used for that is problematic. I would suggest reverting back to your stub for starters. Then re-add a couple of categories that were added later. --MelanieN (talk) 19:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I had the same issue trying to open the sources in my browser too. I think I've fixed them all now, but I'm happy to revert it back to the original version. Pining for info. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:43, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Looking a little harder at the article: An awful lot of the information is still unsourced, or unnecessary for notability, or both. In the first paragraph, the first sentence is unsourced. The next two races (as a school girl) are sourced, but the bronze in the 4x400 metres is unsourced, and there is certainly no need to name the teammates. In the next paragraph, the first two sentences are unsourced and there is no need to name who she lost to. And the first part of the last sentence (“failed to reach the final”) is both unsourced and unnecessary, maybe even a little derogatory. I personally think the article would be better as a stub, eliminating all the non-Olympics stuff. IMO an article containing only the Olympics information would have no cause for challenge, and should be kept. (She wants us to use this interview with her as our source. We're not going to do that, of course.) --MelanieN (talk) 20:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The article is at AfD now. Adam9007 (talk) 20:41, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Uh-huh. Requested through OTRS. talk to ! dave 20:45, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, the same GBR Athletics source that I used for the races as a schoolgirl can be used for the European Junior bronze, as it has a page listing all the British medallists at the Euro Juniors, which includes Hall. The source could also be used for the first two sentences of the second paragraph. If the source is problematic, the British Athletics Power of 10 site could be used as a source for the 53.08 info, her participation at the AAAs Juniors in 1985, and to confirm her 52.71 PB info. Hall has been listed on the wikipedia page for the 1985 Euro Juniors since that page was created in 2013, although the source on that page is now a dead link. Regarding "failed to reach the final", in no way was it meant to be derogatory, but was included to point out that she did not earn automatic selection as one of the first two at the Olympic trials, but earned selection as the discretionary choice. L1975p (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI I've restored the archived WJAH source to the article. As for the objection that this source is unreliable and by "a random person", that's not a very polite way to describe one of the world's leading statisticians on junior athletics... SFB 00:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)