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Verdi image project
Unless otherwise indicated, text in this section is by Adam Cuerden. Background here. Voceditenore (talk) 12:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Verdi image project to do
Also: André-Adolphe-Eugène Disdéri's photos of Verdi; http://www.stadtmuseum.de/sites/default/files/mediapool/ct_veranstaltung/verdi_360dpi-a4_003.jpg and http://www.rts.ch/2013/10/09/09/18/5278596.image

Bonus To Do
Things he worked on less extensively.

Things he probably would be happy I worked on, even if he didn't
Because, frankly, I think he'd be happy I was editing opera on his behalf, even if it was different operas. Going to focus on ones he at least curated, though.

Hulda
 * I (Prologue)
 * II (I)
 * III (II)
 * IV (III)

Composers

 * File:Nation-wide_demonstrations_160079v.jpg
 * Samuel Coleridge-Taylor http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/99401098/]]
 * Daniel Auber http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b53100757b.r=daniel%20auber http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b531079132/f1.item.r=daniel%20auber.zoom
 * Michael Balfe File:Michael William Balfe - Atelier Nadar - Original.jpg
 * Claude Debussy http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84170453/f1.item.r=Claude%20Debussy.zoom or http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84170438/f1.item.r=Claude%20Debussy.zoom
 * Gabriel Fauré
 * Gustav Mahler http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8422171n/f1.item.r=gustav%20mahler.zoom
 * Edvard Grieg http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8420602h/f1.item.r=grieg.zoom
 * Victor Herbert http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/hec.15675/
 * Edouard Lalo or http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84216519/f1.item.r=edouard%20lalo.zoom
 * Mascagni http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.35628/
 * Puccini http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.05361/
 * Rachmaninoff http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/90712469/
 * Verdi: http://www.stadtmuseum.de/sites/default/files/mediapool/ct_veranstaltung/verdi_360dpi-a4_003.jpg http://www.rts.ch/2013/10/09/09/18/5278596.image File:GiuseppeVerdi.jpg
 * Johann Strauss I http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8425089x.r=Johann%20Strauss or http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8425088h.r=Johann%20Strauss
 * Leo Delibes http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8417152k/f1.item.r=Leo%20Delibes.zoom or http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8417150r.r=Leo%20Delibes
 * Zygmunt Stojowski http://www.loc.gov/item/ggb2005021298/ http://www.loc.gov/item/ggb2005024690/
 * Sibelius http://www.loc.gov/resource/ggbain.38874/

Done
There are currently restorations, which can be viewed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Verdi image project results, as they were slowing down loading of this talk page.


 * Adam, can I archive this whole Verdi image project section or are you still planning to use it? It hasn't been touched or edited since September. Voceditenore (talk) 08:20, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Archive the second thread, the Verdi project's still ongoing in the background, just some of it jumped straight to WT:VERDI. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Verdi image project: Stage 2
This thread may be archived No real discussion happened, so it's effectively useless to keep up. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: Verdi image project: Stage 1 is archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:46, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

The Verdi image project is going well, but I'm... kind of running out of Verdi, to be honest. I've done a fair number, and think that only Simon Boccanera, Falstaff, the Requiem are left to restore, if we ignore my Aida project.

It's time to look forwards. So, here's a list of the operas of Verdi, with ones I lack high-quality images for in bold. For the rest, I've noted the image, or, in the case of Aida, one of the five images. Aida got a little out of hand...


 * 1) Oberto, Conte di San Bonifacio (1839)
 * 2) Un giorno di regno (1840)
 * 3) Nabucco (1842)
 * 4) I Lombardi alla prima crociata (1843) File:Giuseppe Verdi, Lombardi alla prima crociata. Libretto, 1843 - Restoration.jpg
 * 5) Ernani (1844)
 * 6) I due Foscari (1844)
 * 7) Giovanna d'Arco (1845) File:Giuseppe Verdi, Giovanna d'Arco, Vocal Score - Restoration.jpg
 * 8) Alzira (1845)
 * 9) Attila (1846)  File:Illustrated London News - Giuseppe Verdi's Attila at Her Majesty's Theatre, London.jpg
 * 10) Macbeth (1847) See below
 * 11) I masnadieri (1847) File:Costumes for Act I of Giuseppe Verdi's I masnadieri - Original.png (unrestored)
 * 12) Jérusalem (1847) One done, more to come
 * 13) Il corsaro (1848) I
 * 14) La battaglia di Legnano (1849)
 * 15) Luisa Miller (1849) Low-res.
 * 16) Stiffelio (1850) - Low-res available.
 * 17) Rigoletto (1851) File:Giuseppe Verdi, Rigoletto, Vocal score illustration by Roberto Focosi - Restoration.jpg
 * 18) Il trovatore (1853) - See below.
 * 19) La traviata (1853) File:Giuseppe Verdi, La traviata title page - Restoration.jpg
 * 20) Les vêpres siciliennes / I vespri siciliani (1855) (It would be nice to have one each, but...)  http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=index&lang=EN&q=Les+v%C3%AApres+siciliennes&p=1&f_typedoc=images  Aside: The image use in these is terrible. So much misattribution. I will be tearing these apart.
 * 21) Simon Boccanegra (1857/1881) File:Giuseppe Verdi, Simon Boccanegra first edition libretto for the 1881 revision of the opera.jpg (unrestored)
 * 22) Aroldo (1857)
 * 23) Un ballo in maschera (1859) File:Giuseppe Verdi, Un Ballo in maschera, Vocal score frontispiece - restoration.jpg
 * 24) La forza del destino (1862) File:Alexandre Charles Lecocq - Giuseppe Verdi - La forza del destino.jpg
 * 25) Don Carlos (1867) http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/2710309 (low res) - Gallica has tons, from http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84373641/f1.zoom.r=don%20carlo%20verdi.langEN to http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=index&f_typedoc=images&q=don+carlos+verdi&lang=EN&n=15&p=2&pageNumber=2 - File:Giuseppe Barberis - Carlo Cornaglia - Giuseppe Verdi's Don Carlo at La Scala.jpg to start.
 * 26) Aida (1871) File:Set design by Philippe Chaperon for Act4 sc2 of Aida by Verdi 1871 Cairo.jpg
 * 27) Otello (1887) - Gallica has some stuff.
 * 28) Falstaff (1893) File:Ettore Tito -The Production of Verdi's Falstaff at Milan - Falstaff Concealed in the Buck-Basket in Ford's House original scan.png (unrestored)

Now, a number of these aren't particularly notable. But some of these are very notable. I don't think I'm going to make all of them, but if anyone can help me find images to fill in as many of the gaps... I haven't really gone through Gallica properly - http://gallica.bnf.fr/ - and that might just get us a lot of the missing images. I'll start doing that now. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:06, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Oberto, Un giorno, Nabucco, Alzira
I can provide very early, likely first edition libretto title pages. None are very good, though, and I think most are under-sized to be featured pictures (I prefer things likely to reach featured picture status as they get the articles onto the main page of Wikipedia.)
 * Oberto: http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/15045578?printThumbnails=no&action=jp2zoomout&imagesize=1200&jp2x=48&jp2y=445&jp2Res=0.5&rotation=0&n=3&op=j&bbx1=3&bby1=28&bbx2=77&bby2=102&zoomout.x=8&zoomout.y=11
 * Un giorno: http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/23072125?printThumbnails=no&action=jp2zoomout&imagesize=1200&jp2x=453&jp2y=1024&jp2Res=0.5&rotation=0&n=5&op=j&bbx1=18&bby1=41&bbx2=64&bby2=89&zoomout.x=11&zoomout.y=10
 * Nabucco: http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/23072130?n=3&printThumbnails=no
 * Alzira: http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/23072121?n=3&imagesize=1200&jp2Res=.25&printThumbnails=no

Are these any use? Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:58, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Ernani
Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/23072124?printThumbnails=no&action=jp2zoomout&imagesize=1200&jp2x=0&jp2y=459&jp2Res=0.25&rotation=0&n=3&op=j&bbx1=0&bby1=36&bbx2=82&bby2=130&zoomout.x=3&zoomout.y=14  Another in the Oberto/Giorno/Nabucco/Alzira mode.
 * 2) http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b64021152.r=ernani+verdi.langEN There's two good costumes for an early Paris production. Any use?
 * 3) http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=index&lang=EN&q=Hernani+hugo&x=0&y=0&p=1&f_typedoc=images are for the Hugo play, but one or more might do to illustrate?

I due Foscari
Is http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84243019/f1.zoom.r=I%20due%20Foscari%20.langEN worth doing? It's that or a 1979 set design that seems to have been released into the public domain, but, while certainly not a bad set design ( http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b70019113/f1.zoom.r=I%20due%20Foscari%20.langEN ) is rather stylised and says little about the opera.

We have a libretto, as with the others (Oberto, etc) : http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/23072123?printThumbnails=no&action=jp2zoomout&imagesize=2400&jp2x=0&jp2y=420&jp2Res=0.5&rotation=0&n=5&op=j&bbx1=0&bby1=17&bbx2=84&bby2=113&zoomout.x=2&zoomout.y=8

If none of these are good enough, I may give up on this one. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Macbeth
I can do any or all of these. What do you like best?
 * 1) http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8438298s/f1.zoom.r=Macbeth%20Verdi.langEN is good.
 * 2)  http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8405667v/f1.zoom.r=Macbeth%20Verdi or http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8438297c/f1.zoom.r=Macbeth%20Verdi.langEN - (Same image, but one has more ink splatter, the other more bleedthrough)
 * 3) http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7001077r.r=Macbeth+Verdi.langEN http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7001079k.r=Macbeth+Verdi.langEN and http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b70010785.r=Macbeth+Verdi.langEN might be good, but I'm not sure if set designs for a non-première have particularly high encyclopædic value. Maybe the second (Act III, Scene 6) for the artistry?

Please advise. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Jérusalem
We happily have a lot of options here, since it premièred in Paris, and the Bibliotheque Nationale de France is very good at image releases. I'll need help deciding. Bolded images are ones I consider likely.


 * 1) There's a couple images of  Esther Eliza Julian van Gelder, the original Hélène.  is okay, but I think  is much better. We don't have an article on her, though, so far as I can tell. Should we?
 * 2) We also have images of Duprez, the original Gaston. I'd say  was the best, but  is close.  We also have  and, but those are just inferior versions of the first two.
 * 3) I have no idea who Flora Fabbri is. But we have an image of her. Moving on.
 * 4) Set design: We have one maquette  for Act III: (I have no idea how to translate maquette). It is at http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b550073990.r=J%C3%A9rusalem+Verdi.langEN in a variety of angles. We could easily crop something quite nice out of one of them. The Bibliotheque Nation... BNF is quite good at releasing photos into public domain of things like this, so we can use it.
 * 5) * Two sketches are also available: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b70010392/f1.zoom.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi.langEN and http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7001040q/f1.zoom.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi.langEN (both Act IV)

This gets us to the hard part: Press illustrations for the première. They're all pretty good, which makes selection hard, especially as they only cover Act III or IV, so there's a limited number we could reasonably use.


 * Act 3:
 * 1)  http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8402925m/f4.item.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi - BADLY SCANNED VERSION ALREADY IN ARTICLE Another copy is at
 * 2) http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8402925m/f3.zoom.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi - With giant heads? Another copy at.
 * 3)  http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8438068z/f1.zoom.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi.langEN  - I'm identifying this one by the set design linked above.
 * Act 4:
 * 1)  http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84380649/f1.zoom.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi  - I think this is a poster. Pretty obviously Act IV.


 * Uncertain:
 * http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8402925m/f2.zoom.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi - Pilgrims, if I'm reading my French right.
 * http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8402925m/f1.zoom.r=J%C3%A9rusalem%20Verdi - Think this is a parody of the ending. Another copy is at

So, what does everyone think. If people want to help out a bit with touching up the article, we could probably get Jérusalem very well illustrated, but I'd like a start point. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Luisa Miller
There are some costumes for an 1853 Paris production. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8454600r.r=Luisa+Miller+.langEN - These any use? There's also another libretto. http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/23072128?n=3&imagesize=1200&jp2Res=.25&printThumbnails=no Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Il trovatore
Here's my options:


 * http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/2820656?n=5&s=4&printThumbnails=no - Low-res, but nice.

That's about it for the Italian. However, Verdi made a French version, Le trouvère. And, unsurprisingly, the Bibliothique Nationale de France has lots on that. Although not nearly so much as you'd think for one of the bigger Verdi operas:


 * 1) Some lovely costume designs: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8454604d.r=Le+trouv%C3%A8re.langEN (Only one for a named character, though, unless I've missed some text on them)
 * 2) Some more costume designs, albeit mostly for choristers: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6401893c.r=Le+trouv%C3%A8re.langEN
 * 3) God knows: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8421013j.r=+trovatore+verdi.langEN
 * 4) And, rather randomly, some set designs from 1904. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8405784q.r=Le+trouv%C3%A8re.langEN

Any thoughts? Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:51, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I tread with care here, lest I be torn to pieces by frenzied Verdians, but I think the only important opera shown in bold on your list, above, is Nabucco, and I think your researches should focus on it. Top notch images for the others would, it hardly needs saying, be wonderful to have, but Nabucco would be my suggestion for top of your list. What you have found and polished so far for so many operas in the canon is truly magnificent.  Tim riley  talk    21:42, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Alban Berg
Fans of Alban Berg might enjoy the following links. Note that the BNF clearly states these are Public Domain (presumably by release into the public domain), hence we have a selection of released images of a pair of operas it would otherwise be difficult to get images for.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b90821667 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b90828264 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9082828z

If people aren't aware of how to get the high-definition copies, poke me and I'll walk you through. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:30, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

French composer images
I've been having some decent luck finding the originals of some low-resolution photos used in composer articles. Expect some changes in response to this, mostly for the good, though some carte de visite mounts may appear in an article or two where they weren't before. If this is a problem, poke me about setting up CSS image crop on those images. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:54, 8 January 2016 (UTC)