Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Orders, decorations, and medals/Archive 3

Royal Victorian Chain - request for help
I'm trying to locate reliable sources for each recipient of the Royal Victorian Chain, for a little attempt at an improvement to List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain that I'm working on at the moment in my sandbox. The London Gazette doesn't have a lot of the early awards, or all the awards to foreign heads of state. I have (at the moment, anyway) access to a searchable full-text database of The Times up to 1985, but that's fairly hit-and-miss too. Not all awards were mentioned in the Court Circular. A lot of the sites that turn up using Google are wikimirrors and I'm not sure about the reliability of some of the others. These are the ones I'm stuck on - any ideas where I might look next?
 * Faisal I of Iraq / Fuad I of Egypt / Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden / Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia / Hassan II of Morocco / Leopold III of Belgium / Prince Paul of Yugoslavia
 * 1957: Frederick IX of Denmark
 * 1961: Mahendra of Nepal / 1965: Amha Selassie of Ethiopia
 * 1975: Birendra of Nepal
 * 1985: António Ramalho Eanes / 1986: Juan Carlos I of Spain / 1987: Fahd of Saudi Arabia
 * 1991: Robert Runcie / 1992: François Mitterrand, Richard von Weizsäcker / 1994: Harald V of Norway

Oh, and if anyone has better sources for the award of the Chain to Edward VIII of the United Kingdom, George VI of the United Kingdom, Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and Olav V of Norway, I'd love to hear about them! Thanks for any assistance or suggestions. BencherliteTalk 00:07, 7 January 2008


 * This is probably too late but an excellent book is Royal Orders by Hugo Vickers it is available on the internet and at some libraries. It contains a chapter on the award, containing details on recipients as well as a series of sections on the awards to many members of the royal family, those with the RV Chain will have the year mentioned as well. That's all I know of 95jb14 (talk) 15:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Style Guide
Any word of a style guide being made? Ryan4314 (talk) 12:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A style guide sounds like a great idea.... feel free to go with a first draft :) PalawanOz (talk) 12:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Woah are you crazy lol!? I've only been editing a year now ;) Although if it helps I've recently expanded the South Atlantic Medal article (just submitted if for a peer review as per the projects guidelines), and I used the Victoria Cross article as style guide, seeming as it's an FA n all Ryan4314 (talk) 14:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

South Atlantic Medal (Peer Review)
I've posted the South Atlantic Medal article for a peer review, you can contribute to it here if you like :) Ryan4314 (talk) 16:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Orders and medals of Socialist Yugoslavia
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had orders, medals and a commemorative medal that I placed at commons:Category:Gallery of the Yugoslavian decorations.

I invite users to check it out and comment on the categories talk page, also usage is free because of no-copyright on official images in frm Yugoslavia (if using appropriate Template:PD-Yugoslavia). -- Imbris (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

In the headline there is an article available here - on en.wiki -- Imbris (talk) 17:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Proficiency badges and such
Could anyone point me to the right place for these if it exists?--mrg3105 (comms) If you're not taking any flak, you're not over the target. 10:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Order of Ormus
Please, look here Order of Ormus. I think, that is pure joke/hoax, without any foundation. Author of article give link to one article about Vatican secret archives, where is nothing about this "order" and as reference book cite Boulton´s Knights of crown, where is nothing about this. Of course nothing about this order is in Burke Word orders, van Duren Orders or any other book. Thus, I nominated for deletion. Yopie 17:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The Mosleys
Hi. Tommy turrell and I were in the middle of trying to get Max Mosley through the Featured Article procedure when the current news flap blew up. That's nixed any chance of featured status for now, but has meant a lot more people are reading and commenting on the article. Some of them have commented on the forms of address used for Mosley's parents, Oswald Mosley and Diana Mitford.

Originally we had 'Sir Oswald' (he was a baronet) and 'Lady Diana'. Since then we have had various suggestions that after her marriage to Sir Oswald, Diana Mitford should have been referred to as Lady Mosley and before that as 'The Honourable Diana Mitford', since her father was Baron Redesdale.

This is all rather out of my sphere of knowledge - can anyone advise? Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 16:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Quiet round here, isn't it? ;-) Everyone seems to be happy with Sir Oswald and Lady Mosley, so we'll go with that. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 07:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Caribbean/West Indies
I was looking at the article on Sir Allen Stanford, and thought where would one categorise his own knighthood? Trying to take the Antigan cricketer Sir Viv Richards as an example, I found that someone had added a presently red box category for Knights of the West Indies of the British Empire. Trying to find a logical example elsewhere, I notice many of the other great West Indies cricketers are presently under the United Kingdom country level honour category of Knight Bachelor - which seems wrong, as they are citizens of other independent countries. I suggest I take a model of those for Australian or New Zealand former British honours at a West Indies level - there are probably not enough articles in the sub-country categories to warrant a category, although this shouldn't preclude them. Thoughts? Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 00:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you really need to check which list they were on. I haven't managed to track down the Gazette for Sir Viv (all the 1999 ones seem to have gone walkabout from the website), but Garfield Sobers for instance was actually nominated by the British Government on the Diplomatic and Overseas list, as Barbados has stopped making nominations for knighthoods, causing some unease to the FCO.  Stanford seems to have been appointed to a new Order, rather than to the Order of the British Empire, or one of the other orders originating from the UK.  David Underdown (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

ribbon devices
I have been working on upgrading this template. The biggest bug is that ribbons with devices on them will always start a new line. (For discussion, see the talk page.) However I was looking for any other input. Are there devices you would like to see added? Are there any major spacing issues? (This is an issue with the current template... part of the problem is that oak leaves are asymmetrical and stars are symmetrical. See the test cases for comparisons between the old and new versions.) – flamurai (t) 01:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Preference for photos or illustrations?
Is there a consensus preference for photos or illustrations? Should both be included (e.g., put the illustration in a "show/hide" part of the infobox)? It's pretty easy to find government images by doing a Google image search for, e.g.,. Personally, I would like to see a photo of the decoration (obverse) for the main image, then at least for US decorations,  superceded by separate ,  , and   fields, which would be illustrations. – flamurai (t) 01:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Image of the U.S. Air Force Good Conduct Medal used in a Wikipedia award
Recently I discovered an image of the U.S. Air Force Good Conduct Medal used in a custom Wikipedia award on the page User:BetacommandBot. I don't think it is an appropriate use of the image, and it may even be against U.S. law. Please see the conversation on the issue at. I would like other people's opinion on whether I am off base or not in thinking it should be removed. Thank you. --Pesco (talk) 17:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Previous discussion concluded. I've opened up a "Request for Comment" at the |Wikipedia talk:Image use policy page.  Thanks! --Pesco (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
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Image Deletion
Hello all...

The image on this page, Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal is currently nominated for deletion due to copyright issues -- the discussion is. I have been convinced of the need for deletion, I also wanted to make sure that appropriate action is taken to replace the image with a properly allowed one. The article needs an image, it is just it needs to be an appropriately allowed one. Thanks.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 16:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Category help
Just created a new category Category:Order of the Crown (Belgium) recipients to match other Belgian awards like Category:Order of Léopold recipients but I have noticed that a lot of the other cats are Receipents of Foo rather than Foo recipients has the project a preference. Thanks help appreciated. MilborneOne (talk) 21:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I presume that the project does not have an opinion on the subject - perhaps it should! MilborneOne (talk) 19:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Form what I can see, most of the categories have the pattern "Recipients of Foo" (eg: Category:Recipients of the Distinguished Service Cross (Australia), Category:United States military honor recipients). This is sometimes further refined into the different grades of the Order (eg: Category:Order of St Michael and St George). So, in answer to your first question, I would suggest that "Recipients of Foo" would be the way to go. PalawanOz (talk) 00:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Medal theft
Added tag to Medal theft, article is at AfD. Banj e b oi   09:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

orpahned image
Hello to anyone here...

The following image Image:Knights.jpg is currently orpahaned and could be easily nominated for deletion. someone may wish to figure out a use for this.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 00:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

FAR: Virtuti Militari
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Awards and honors
I have noticed on other WikiProject they have created awards for it's members that give outstanding contributions towards the groups projects. Those WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals have any plan or desire to do so? If yes, I was extremely bored at work and came up with this design. (Yes I already know I have to much time at work.) --EHDI5YS (talk) 21:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Notice to editors
Thought this would be an appropriate place to ask; there is currently a proposal for a new wikiproject (WikiProject:Awards) to cover awards and whatnot your project doesn't look at, such as industry/profession-based ones like the Royal Medal. We're currently working on getting it through the Council proposals page; if anyone interested could sign up at WikiProject Council/Proposals I'd be very grateful :). Thanks! Ironholds (talk) 15:28, 25 December 2008 (UTC)