Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine/Archive 7

Ajami, Jaffa article
Hi all,

Can you please take a look at the Ajami, Jaffa article and offer some additional input on how it can be further developed? Also, I would like it to be part of WikiProject Palestine as it is relevant to Palestinian History, the Nakba and the Palestinian citizens of Israel.

Thank you,

Ka Yaffa (Ka Yaffa) 17:44, 17 November 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.133.154 (talk)

why is StandWithUs part of WikiProject Palestine?
As someone who reads about the Middle East, I dont understand why StandWithUs would be listed under WikiProject Palestine.

Isnt it a pro-Israel group? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DMBNYC (talk • contribs) 17:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyone interested in making the Palestine-related articles better may be part of the project, and "better" here is in the wikipedia sense, not in the public relation sense. -- Avi (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing is that it makes no sense for a pro-Israel group to be part of wikiproject palestine, considering that International Solidary Movement isn't part of Wikiproject Israel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallicfan20 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, you are wrong; at least one of the editors blocked in the CAMERA-affair was a member of WP:Palestine. Huldra (talk) 18:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it would fit the project's scope since it's based in LA and it's not advocating or dealing with Palestine-related issues. If members of this project want to edit it, by all means they could edit it, but the article shouldn't be tagged with WP Palestine. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about a user not an article; my apologies. -- Avi (talk) 01:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Back in the mix here
Editing again after a long absence -- please let me know if there are any projects you need my help on. BYT (talk) 17:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Rename Southwest Asia to Western Asia
Please share your views here. Izzedine (talk) 14:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed page move at Islamofascism
I don't know whether this is of interest, but if it is, please share your thoughts here. BYT (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Hard to believe, I know, but ...
... a search through Wikimedia Commons for images to use in Gaza war yields only pictures of Israeli civilians who suffered. Going out on a limb here, but I am pretty sure there were also Palestinian casualties during this operation. Does anyone know of a public-domain or otherwise uploadable source for them? BYT (talk) 12:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

AfD on Cheryl Rubenberg
I ran across this and thought it might be of interest/concern. Regards, CasualObserver&#39;48 (talk) 05:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Ma'ale Adumim and Modi'in Illit pages
These are two of the largest Israeli settlements on the West Bank. I've added mentions to the pages that the settlements are considered to be illegal under international law, however these edits are persistently being removed by Israeli users and discussing the issue in the talk pages isn't proving very fruitful. Do you have any ideas, how to move forward with the issue?

There is also another problem with both of these pages, namely they have sidebars where they're presented as normal Israeli cities thus giving the impression that they'd be inside Israel, which is factually wrong. --Dailycare (talk) 11:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

RfC - Illegality of Israeli settlements
There is a RfC at

Talk:Modi'in_Illit

on the topic of whether articles on Israeli settlements should contain an indication that they're considered illegal under internatonal law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dailycare (talk • contribs) 16:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Depopulated villages
In light of recent events which have seen us now have an article on every depopulated Arab settlement in the 1948 war and which have led to one of this project's most active editors User:Huldra leaving wikipedia because they can no longer navigate with the huge full template as it is stresses her out, and along with MOS guidelines I am splitting this massive oversized template by district e.g like Template:District of Gaza. There should not be any concerns here, given that all the settlements are linked by each district on the list page linked in the title, plus the category lists all the settlement. Individual templates now like Template:District of Safad are even fair sized templates on their own link EVERY one in the same templates is horrendous now. Is much more manageable and tidier to now organize this way given that the situation has changed now we have articles on all of them. I must admit I also find the template stressful to look at so organization is needed. Note I have also done work in the past on cinema and other templates for Palestine the past and am trusted in sorting things out. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Mohammed Salah needs article
Got these details while research for Washington Report on Middle East Affairs article so thought I'd pass it on in case anyone is out there with nothing to do :-) A few details and refs: Plus lots of books.google results. So feel free to go for it. CarolMooreDC (talk) 15:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In 1998 he was the first American citizen to be placed on the U.S. government list of terrorists.  While visiting Palestine and distributing tithed money to the needy, he was arrested by Israel, charged with being a member of Hamas; he spent 5 years in an Israeli prison. On returning home, the United States seized his home and assets worth 1.4 million.REF: Raeed N. Tayeh, U.S. Government Moves to Seize Chicago Home of Mohammad Salah After His Conviction in Israel, “Washington Report on Middle East Affairs,”  July/August 1998, Page 118.
 * Salah alleged was tortured with beatings by interrogators, including an American-born Israeli. His lawyer asserted the evidence was based on “fabricated and uncorroborated allegations” from Israelis and wanted to bring the Israeli interrogators into court. REF: Richard H. Curtis, In Case You Thought It Can’t Happen Here: Mohammad Salah, an American Citizen, Is Facing Trial on Charges Neither He Nor His Lawyer Can See, "The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs' web site, December 1999, pages 35, 98-99.
 * The Israeli interrogators were brought into a closed court which defense and civil liberty groups called secret evidence. REF: Mideast youth- Ray Hananiah, A tale of three show-trials (Plus another source I lost.)
 * This led to a congressional attempt to ban secret evidence Richard Curtiss, House Bill to Repeal Use of Secret Evidence Gets 19 Sponsors as National Awareness of Abuses Grows, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, September 1999, pages 16, 120, 136.
 * In 2007 Salah was acquitted of financing Hamas. REF: Salah's acquittal, Chicago Jewish Star, February 9, 2007. Jewish Foward article,
 * But sentenced to 21 months for one count of obstruction of justice in a civil suit. REF:Michael Higgins, Businessman guilty of lying in Hamas case,   Chicago Tribune     July 12, 2007, NY Sun

Requested move: input appreciated
Please see Talk:List_of_Arab_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1948_Arab–Israeli_War. Many thanks, SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 21:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Al-Manshiyya
Tiamut made a nice disambig page about al-Manshiyya. It was apparently a very popular name. One entry noticeably missing was the Manshiyya neighborhood of Jaffa that was completely obliterated. I would like to see that article, or at least have a nice paragraph about it in the Jaffa article. (it would also be nice to have an article about another Jaffa neighborhood, Al-Ajami, which is still standing). I was wondering if the Khalidi book has much info on those neighborhoods.

Outside of Palestine, there's also a neighborhood (and a famous plaza with that name) in Alexandria. The plaza has a giant statue of Mohammad Ali Pasha, and was the venue of a speech by Nasser on October 26, 1954 where an attempt at his life was made. Also in Egypt, there are two neighborhoods called New and Old Manshiyya in El-Mahalla El-Kubra. Also according to ar:, there are towns(?) in Tunisia, Libya, Jordan, and in Medina, Saudi Arabia with that name. --Fjmustak (talk) 01:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, I started (with sources from Tiamut) the article under User:Fjmustak/Al-Manshiyya, Jaffa --Fjmustak (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

redirect for deletion- palestinian holocaust
anyone interested in commenting should go here. untwirl (talk) 03:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

big mistake about j1 between Palestinians and Negev Bedouins
the result is repeated on this article (J1 Haplogroup characteristics, See J1 Haplogroup frequencies worldwide in last page:) http://www.healthanddna.com/JreportY.pdf

Palestinian Arab – 62.5% Bedoin – 62.5%

while the resource that the result based upon by the author is this

7. Semino et al (2004) Origin, Diffusion and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences of the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area. Am J Hum Genet 74:1023-1034

Palestinian Arab j1 38.4% Bedouing j1 62.5

source the main pdf page of the study

Semino et al (2004) Origin, Diffusion and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_2004_v74_p1023-1034.pdf


 * I think the study actually says that of the 143 Palestinian Arabs tested, 79 individuals were Type J Haplogroup. That's 55.2 percent, comprised of 16.8 percent from M172 subgroups and 38.4 from M267 subgroups. That doesn't mean a lot, because the cohorts were small and a footnote says that all chromosomes that weren't J-M172 were simply assumed to be members of J-M267, the J1 subgroup, by default. The Bedouin cohort only consisted of 32 individuals, 21 were type J haplogroups. 65.6 percent with 3.1 from M172 subgroups and 62.5 from M267 subgroups. harlan (talk) 02:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

New stub
I made a stub article, Arab College (Jerusalem), it has hundreds of Google Books hits, if anybody could look it over and maybe even expand it that would be great. Thanks, Abductive  (reasoning) 07:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Could we link to Outline of Palestine?
Somewhere on the main project page, it would be nice to have a link. Check out the article on Outline of Palestine and the WP:OOK project page. If there are no objections, and someone with the technical know-how is willing, it would be nice to link to it as it provides links to a lot of articles in our project scope. Please also help fill in the blanks there.  T i a m u t talk 22:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea, but where do you mean exactly? Link it as a tab or as one of the resource pages. The latter would be more preferable in my opinion and it's very easy to link. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK
FYI  --Nsaum75 (talk) 06:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Chronicle of a Disappearance
This brilliant Palestinian film is up for a second GA review, and I would welcome any possible comments, observations, or concerns from any interested editors. Thanks! The Squicks (talk) 22:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Very biased United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mission_on_the_Gaza_Conflict
This article appears to have been written by NGO Monitor and UN Watch. It needs a lot of attention. Here are some links that I've collected that should go in that article:

UN HCHR Navi Pillay

The vital importance of ending impunity in Israel and Palestine September 30, 2009

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/navi-pillay/the-vital-importance-of-e_b_303954.html

UN investigator defends Gaza report September 29, 2009

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/09/200992993333512634.html

Israel Threatens Palestinian Phone Service Over War Crimes Claims

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/israel-threatens-palestin_n_306748.html

Palestinians Halt Push on War Report

“There was a tremendous amount of pressure on all members by the Americans,” said an Arab diplomat, who requested anonymity according to diplomatic protocol. “The Americans wanted something to finish it; the compromise is to defer it, which means it is still alive.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world/middleeast/02mideast.html

“ UK - Israeli cries of bias cannot deflect UN's moral blow” Financial Times

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/25b33a76-a645-11de-8c92-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

“ The Goldstone Report” Foreign Policy in Focus

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/6437

The Vital Importance of Ending Impunity in Israel and Palestine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/navi-pillay/the-vital-importance-of-e_b_303954.html

Goldstone tells Sderot: Probe did not ignore rocket terror

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1118708.html

Hope that helps. --John Bahrain (talk) 22:19, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is an interesting lead for the Goldstone report article: fake NGOs have been created specifically to discredit this one report... This is just a blog, so including it may require some more detectivework that I unfortunately don't have time for right now.

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/10/22/anti-goldstone-campaign-creates-fake-ngos-human-rights-website/ --Dailycare (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The Palestine Telegraph at AFD
Hi. The AfD for Sabily may depend on whether The Palestine Telegraph is a Reliable Source or not. To me, it looks like a professional newspaper, however its mission statement may say otherwise. Does any of you know about it, and if so, could you create the article and leave a comment on the AfD page ? Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

New article: List of Syrian towns and villages destroyed by Israel
There is discussion at the talkpage of moving it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Syrian_towns_and_villages_destroyed_by_Israel --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

a disussion of interest
Village pump (policy), would affect a number of the depopulated Palestinian villages.  nableezy  - 18:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Hebrew or Arabic names for Golan mountains? RfC
RfC, please post your views here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Golan_Heights#RfC:_Mountain_names --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Are the Golan Heights part of WP:Palestine and the I/P conflict? -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 20:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

RfC Second Temple
An RfC regarding which archaeological categories the Second Temple should fall under is currently underway here. -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 10:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Note GHcool's anti-Hamas POV push at Hamas article
Hi, thought you might want to know about this newly emerging situation. The page has been quiet for quite awhile, and I thought all sides had created a fairly fair-minded entry. But GHcool may be determined to ruin that.Haberstr (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:Archaeological sites in Israeli occupied territories
Category:Archaeological sites in Israeli occupied territories has been nominated for deletion, renaming or whatever. Your input would be welcome at Categories for discussion/Log/2009 December 23. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:37, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Intra-Palestinian violence
I have proposed that Category:Intra-Palestinian violence should be deleted.

Contributions from project members welcome at Categories for discussion/Log/2009 December 28. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah
The above has been nominated for featured-article status. If there's any interest in reviewing it, the nomination page is here. Cheers, SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 12:06, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

RFC/Jerusalem
There is an RFC on whether and how to qualify Jerusalem as the Israeli capital in the Israel article, see Talk:Israel. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 16:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Edward Said
The Edward Said article already has a "Mid" level importance rating, but another editor and I feel the article deserves a reassessment. Is it possible that this article qualifies for a "High" importance rating?--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 03:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Is File:JerusalemNonLabeled.png marked up correctly?
There's an area labelled on the above map marked as the old city. But I think it might be Mount Scopus. Which is it? (This message is also being posted to WP:Israel).--Peter cohen (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right. It's certainly not the Old City, which directly abuts West Jerusalem, and seems in the right place for Mount Scopus. RolandR (talk) 14:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm off to change the map which will confuse future readers of this thread.--Peter cohen (talk) 15:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually it seems to need a graphics editor and I'm currently using a clunky old machine without the relevant software. Anyone else feel able to help out? I've contacted he uploader too to check on the copyright as I wonder whether (s)he's taken somene else's graphic which (s)he's misunderstood.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

West Bank population figures
Hi, Two different anon accounts have successively inflated the population of the Palestinian towns/cities in the population table in the West Bank article. I have gone back to the version before either of these edits as that seems to tally best with what the articles on the places themselves say. If anyone knows of a recent census or similar that means that either of these edits are correct or who has evidence that the figures in the other articles have been tampered with, then please feel free to undo my edit.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement
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Page move losign history.
I notice that the last move of 2009 Capital of Arab Culture to 2009 Arab Capital of Culture has resulted in the page history being split. Anyone here know how to fix that? You're the only project listed as "owning" the article. So I'm nto asking anywhere else.--Peter cohen (talk) 23:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs an admin to delete 2009 Arab Capital of Culture and then move 2009 Capital of Arab Culture to 2009 Arab Capital of Culture. I've reverted the move for now.  nableezy  - 23:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, Im not so sure about this, the official site calls it the "2009 Capital of Arab Culture" in both Arabic and English. Ah well, I dont think it is too big an issue either way.  nableezy  - 23:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw the poster in the article, but I looked at the lede and at Arab Capital of Culture, which shows that all the other articles are titled "XXXX Arab Capital of Culture". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * One needs to be a redirect to the other as currently. I don't have an opinion on which is which, as long as the main article has the main article history and the talk page with the main talk history.--Peter cohen (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, MS.--Peter cohen (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Please refer to this issue
Editor assistance/Requests DrorK (talk) 14:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Important discussions (Palestine vs. Palestinian territories, etc)
Please note that there are two three discussions that have been initiated of relevance to this project. One is a merge proposal suggesting that State of Palestine be merged into Proposals for a Palestinian state. Another is a move request suggesting that List of twin towns and sister cities in Palestine be moved to List of twin towns and sister cities in the Palestinian Territories. The third is a request to merge Occupied Palestinian Territory into Palestinian territories. Feel free to add your thoughts regarding both all three proposals on their talk pages.  T i a m u t talk 10:55, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You could have commented to my post above instead of opening a new discussion. To the point - there is no defined territory under the name Palestine. May be there will be in the future, but it is currently not the case, and we cannot foresee the future. The is a more-or-less defined territory by the name "Palestinian Territories", so this name is preferable if you want to list cities within a specific territory. As for the merge proposal - I proposed it. In fact the two articles were merged by consensus decision, until certain editor decided to re-initiate the article "State of Palestine". This article is currently very poorly written. It is written more like an academic thesis than like an encyclopedic article. It brings sideline sources and gives them undue weight. In some cases it brings good reliable sources, but distort them in an awkward way. In many cases this article simply repeats information already given in the "Proposals" article or in the articles "Palestinian Territories" and "Palestinian National Authority", and in some cases it contradicts these articles, in a way that makes en-wp looks ridicules. I don't see the benefit from the re-initiation of the "State" article, and suggest it would be re-merged with the "Proposals" article, which is much better written and sourced. DrorK (talk) 11:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If you notice, I did not express my opinion on the value (or lack thereof) of either suggestion. That is because the place for that discussion is at the talk pages of the articles they concern. See you there.  T i a m u t talk 15:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * To others, please also note that there is a discussion about renaming/rewriting Outline of Palestine which is also of great relevance to this wikiproject.  T i a m u t talk 18:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

In normal circumstances, the appropriate place to discuss these issues is on the affected articles' Talk pages. In this situation, however, it seems that a central question being debated is whether a State of Palestine exists, whether the names of Wikipedia articles rightly or wrongly suggest that such a state exists, etc. Perhaps a centralized discussion might be appropriate (although this page isn't the proper venue for such a discussion). What do other editors think? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm concerned that such a discussion might become incredibly unwieldly. However, if others believe it would be more practical, I'm open to being convinced.  T i a m u t talk 20:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that a centralized discussion would be valuable. IronDuke  23:54, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Disputes at Talk:Falafel
Just a heads-up that some issues raised on Talk:Falafel may be coming to this page. I think it might be important to deal with them here. -- AFriedman  (talk)  03:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Syrian Golan villages
I could use help from WP Palestine. If anyone has sources on the former Syrian villages in Golan, please post them at my talkpage. I have tried to find myself but there is very little out there. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

"Palestine" as historic nomenclature
See
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 25
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 25

(proposed renaming back to their original titles of Palestinian Rabbis, and Talmudic Rabbis in Palestine)

01:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Rfc - Blood Libel / Israel's Brutality
I'm looking to get comments on this. NickCT (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Factsontheground
I came across this editor when correcting a WP:CSD issue. A look at his contribution history indicates, at least to me, a distinct POV, which, in and of itself, is not an issue, but I am afraid that the the recent edits themselves may not be in accord with WP:NPOV as they seem somewhat cherry-picked and WP:UNDUE, but I leave it to people more involved with the conflict than I to investigate. -- Avi (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Avi, but at Israeli settler violence, I see more of a POV problem in User:Shuki's edits, than I do in those of User:Factsontheground , ,. Also don't think this kind of message, lacking in diffs, and making vague assertions should be posted here or at other project pages.  T i a m u t talk 19:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed -- if there is a complaint about user conduct, it should be taken to RfC/U or Wikiquette alerts, with diffs demonstrating a specific problem. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

If you have issues with other users, by all means, bring them up. Also, Wikiproject talk pages are the best places to obtain the attention of editors who are involved in a given issue. An RfC is way too premature; that should only be used in cases where there is distinct evidence of continued violations of wikipedia behavioral issues. In this case, I thought I noticed a pattern which may or may not have needed more investigation, and so I informed the people whom I know to be better versed than I in these issues (WP:I, WP:P, and WP:IPC) and asked them for their input. If anything, making accusations to the user or on more-widely-read and less focused pages would create unnecessary drama and be less likely to achieve a decent resolution. My intention was to raise an issue with the appropriate people and a minimum of unnecessary and irrelevant drama. Tiamut, how would you suggest that such issues be dealt with in a fair, non-confrontational manner? -- Avi (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Well Avi, to be honest, there are at least half a dozen editors here I can think of off the top of my head whose edits are, to me, incredibly POV. However, I don't make sections on project pages outlining my suspicions because of WP:AGF. When I do have specific diffs and edits that can provide sufficient proof of their being an issue (and when I have a lot of free time on my hands) I take those to the appropriate noticeboards. I don't think that raising my generalized suspicions on project pages is helpful, because if the editor is truly impervious to changing their POV, my notice will accomplish nothing except to antagonize them, and if they're not, well, then I've antagonized them for no good reason. :)  T i a m u t talk 21:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * One more thing, if I did think that someone was open to being reasoned with, I would post a message on their talk page, pointing to specific diffs I found problematic and ask them nicely to reflect upoon whether or not these edits are in line with WP:NPOV. I'd make sure to note that these things are inherently subjective, so that there is always the possibility that I may be wrong in my interpretation, and if that was the case, then I was sorry in advance for any offense I may have caused.  T i a m u t talk 21:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Jewish Virtual Library
An editor has raised the question of whether the Jewish Virtual Library is a reliable source. Please weigh in at WP:RSN. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hurva Synagogue
Please can people comment and assist at Hurva Synagogue, pending FA promotion. Thanks. Chesdovi (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948)
A WP:COATRACK being used to present Kennedy's early views on the Arab-Israeli conflict that has massive original research problems.

Note that is also inserting some of the same POV-violating material into the main Robert F. Kennedy Page. This needs to be closely monitored. Factsontheground (talk) 01:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip  00:23, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

NPOV discussion regarding Criticism of Judaism
A point-of-view discussion has been initiated at NPOV notice board to discuss the deletion of material from the Criticism of Judaism article. The material (seen here) discussed how critics claim that Judaism sometimes is used to justify or motivate violence, particularly violence in the Middle East in modern times. (Disclaimer: I am the editor that contributed the deleted material). --Noleander (talk) 16:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Palestinian Composers and Musicians
I suggest that you start a biography page for Palestinian composers, one that is comprehensive and detailed. I willing to help with that as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.13.69.217 (talk) 12:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to discussion
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Current_Article_Issues. Please join in. Unomi (talk) 12:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Israel and the apartheid analogy
A proposal has been made to rename Israel and the apartheid analogy. Please weigh in at Talk:Israel and the apartheid analogy. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Needed: Lists of attacks by Israel to match those listing attacks on Israel
There is a marked bias in the number of references to attacks on Israel ('pro-Israel), whereas attacks by Israel are not listed ('pro-Palestine').

I have tried remedying this in the past, but have regularly been frustrated - I suspect by pro-Israeli Wikipedians. e.g. one stub I started was subsumed in the 'Gaza War timeline', while the pro-Israeli one was left untouched.
 * Aa42john (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and do it. on what basis did they stop it?Lihaas (talk) 23:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands#Jewish_Populations_of_non-Arab_Muslim_Countries:_1948_and_2001
there is a debate going on here about an extension of the above article about the exodus from arab lands to a convergence of exodus from muslim lands even though the parallel is scant. i have suggested they start a new article if they so please but this is a racist connotation to attach.(Lihaas (talk) 23:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Jerusalem
Hi, I note that the Jerusalem page contains flags and coats-of-arms that Israel has assigned to the city. Are there emblems that illustrate the status or identity of the city in the Islamic sphere that could be included in the page to balance out the emblems that seem to underline Israel's claims to the city (especially the flag which closely resembles that of Israel) Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 09:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * May be flag and coat-of-arm impose by "Israel" on Jerusalem not belong in article info box, because it be non-nutral and suggest that Wikipedia endorse "Israel" claim on future capital of Palestine. Ani medjool (talk)
 * The fact is that Jerusalem is currently part of "Israel", as much as Hatay is part of "Turkey", (which "Syria" claims). Since the Muslims mistreated the Jews in Jerusalem, Allah took it from them and gave it to the Jews. It may be hard for you to accept, but that is Allah's will. Chesdovi (talk) 23:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "Allah's will" is not a reliable source. RolandR (talk) 23:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Chesdovi, do not dirty name of Allah. You not know what he want. Ani medjool (talk) 22:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Does that mean that something is happening that He doesn't want? How can that be?! Is He not all-powerfull and runs the world according to His will? The problem is that each person wants what they themselves want and then finds ways and means of justifying their desires as what Allah wants! In this case Muslim people want control of territory sacred to another people and claim that it is Allah's wish. But how do they know what He wants? If he wanted something, surley it would be without us insignificant humanbeings having to do it for Him? Chesdovi (talk) 10:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for philosphical discussions about the nature of God and his power. Please stop.  T i a m u t talk 11:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

First off, you seem to be losing track of the fact that the Israeli coat of arms of Jerusalem was adopted before 1967, and originally referred to west Jerusalem. If there was any official insignia of east Jerusalem in the old Ruhi al-Khatib days, under Jordanian rule, it could also be probably added to the article... AnonMoos (talk) 17:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Your post was dated 13 May 2010. Why don't we also add King David's coat of arms of Jerusalem, was any official one... Chesdovi (talk) 23:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you're trying to refer to, since heraldry in any meaningfully specific sense didn't exist until the 12th century A.D., over 2000 years after David of the Bible. AnonMoos (talk) 04:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Ambiguity of “village lands”
Example: Najd, Gaza. The article quotes Walid Khalidi as saying that Israeli localities were “founded on village lands”. I am concerned about the insinuation here. The actual land the village was situated on remains unpopulated. An Israeli town has been built hundreds of feet away on what was open farm land. The Israeli town was not built on top of an Arab village. Yet the phrase “built on village lands” gives the impression the village itself was built over. Furthermore, how is it possible to know that those empty "lands" legally belonged to the Arabs living in the village, and that they were indeed “village lands”? Is Khalidi himself making this assertion? How long did these “lands” stretch out for – till those of the next village? Is it based on a estimated radius? Where are the deeds showing that these parcels of land indeed belonged to people in the village? And if such deeds do exist, a clearer usage of describing that unpopulated land is needed, maybe “adjacent lands”. As this is mentioned in the majority of similar articles, I wonder if any Israeli towns were actually built on "state lands", i.e. lands owned by the state and not by individual villages? Chesdovi (talk) 12:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know how "built on village lands" can be taken to mean "built on the site of the village". It means exactly what it says. In the case of Najd, the words are even clearer: "on village land, to the south of the village". Each village possessed land for farming in addition to land for building houses.  There was a British court which determined land ownership and produced cadastral maps that still exist.  It ran out of time to cover all of Palestine, but it did manage all of the coastal strip as well as eastern Galilee.  A map in Dov Gavish and Ruth Kark, "The Cadastral Mapping of Palestine, 1858-1928", The Geographical Journal, Vol. 159, No. 1. (Mar., 1993), pp. 70-80, shows that Najd was well within the region covered.  The site on which Sderot was established in 1951 was about 2km south of the village site of Najd.  Khalidi says the site was on the village lands, and since Khalidi is a reliable source and we don't have a contrary source, that is what the article should say.  Khalidi says that the boundaries of each village's land were taken from a British map of 1946. Regarding state land, there was plenty of land judged by the court to be state land but it focussed its limited resources on places where private ownership was claimed (including all the locations where Jewish ownership was claimed). Zerotalk 13:18, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Innocent Palestinians killed in reaction to the Munich massacre
The relevant articles do not cover this very well, and an article covering an important event, 1972 Israeli aerial raid on Lebanon, is completely bogus, and actually about a completely different event than the title indicates. Something needs to be done by people in the know. FunkMonk (talk) 02:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * First off DO NOT BLANK what seems to be a reasonably coherent and substantively factual article. That is rarely a constructive or productive response to any situation.  I renamed the article to remove the word "aerial" from the title, since it seems there was a significant non-aerial component involved.  If you have any corrections to offer, or you think that 1973 is confused with 1972, then by all means try to fix things -- but without blanking the page. AnonMoos (talk) 17:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't understand the problem. See the talk page of that article. The title refers to one event that happened in 72, the article is about a completely different one that happened in 73. The 72 event was an Israeli airraid, the 73 event was an attack by Israeli commandos (which is depicted in the Munich film). FunkMonk (talk) 21:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Seems like the 73 event alread has its own article: 1973 Israeli raid on Lebanon FunkMonk (talk) 21:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Now you've made the text of the article inconsistent with the infobox, so I added the "contradict" tag... AnonMoos (talk) 22:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to the different dates? 8-9? FunkMonk (talk) 23:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * That could be part of it, but mainly to the fact that the reported results of the raid are wildly different in the infobox and the main article text. AnonMoos (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate? I don't see any contradiction, past the date, which could be due to time zone differences or similar. FunkMonk (talk) 06:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I really thought it was too glaringly obvious to need explanation -- the infobox says only that terrorist training camps were destroyed, while the article text claims that significantly more happened. AnonMoos (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But how exactly are the two mutually exclusive? Does the fact that the camps were destroyed in any way contradic that people wee killed, or the other way around? FunkMonk (talk) 10:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppets at Wikipedia:Village pump (development)
Comments are welcome:
 * Village pump (development) --Timeshifter (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons
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List of U.S. citizen casualties of Israeli military actions
Someone should create it. I see there already are List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada and List of Israeli civilian casualties in the Second Intifada. Casualties would include deaths or severe injury. This list could include USS Liberty casualties, Palestinian-American casualties, Lebanese-American casualties, Rachel Corrie and casualties of Gaza flotilla raid. I'm not too motivated myself to do it right now, but will put on my "do" list. CarolMooreDC (talk) 20:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This seems an overly specific list. I'd expand it to List of foreign civilian casualties of Israeli military actions myself, as that includes the various other (not directly involved) nationalities whose activist members have been killed or injured by the IDF. --Andrensath (talk &#124; contribs) 20:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But that list might be overly unweildy. Do you have an idea of how many people it might be? Also, does that include Palestinians who are citizens of other nations? I was assuming it would include Palestinians who are American citizens, assuming there are any. CarolMooreDC (talk) 03:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The article 'List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada' could include non Israeli military actions, so it is NPOV, I guess. The article being suggested, is too specific. Keep it general, and it would be legitimate as well, i.e. List of foreigner civilian casualties in the Second Intifada, so that civilians killed by both sides can be included. This is called NPOV. There are many foreigners that were killed by the Palestinian military actions, no reason to split into a separate 'counter' list. --Shuki (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

rfc on israeli settlement terminology
Requests for comment/Israeli settlements  nableezy  - 23:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is called canvassing since you did not equally notify WP Israel. --Shuki (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * While I agree that Nableezy should have notified WP Israel, I'm not sure it's canvassing to request comment by editors interested in improving our coverage of Palestine but who may lack an interest in doing so for Israel. --Andrensath (talk &#124; contribs) 19:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: Shuki removed his comment about canvassing because nableezy did, in fact, post a message at WT:Israel. Andrensath restored Shuki's message. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What is your WP:POINT admin Malik Shabbaz? I made a mistake and removed it? Bad faith admin. --Shuki (talk) 19:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, my point was simply that you had removed your message but somebody else put it back. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I have added a proposal. --Shuki (talk) 00:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Example of use of Israeli terminology: Wikipedia entry "Gaza Strip Smuggling Tunnels"
Hi folks, I've raised a proposal on the "Gaza Strip Smuggling Tunnels" talk page that the article be renamed "Gaza Strip Tunnels" and that the word "smuggling" be changed to something more value neutral like "transporting" in the article. Please support my proposal there if you agree to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_Strip_smuggling_tunnels

I think this is an obvious example of the kind of Israeli terminology that has seeped into the way things are discussed. This is what I wrote on the "Gaza Strip Smuggling Tunnels" talk page:

Hi guys, can we change the title of the article to "Gaza Strip tunnels" ?

Using the word "smuggling" (and, throughout the article, "smuggle" and other variants) seems to be POV. The implication is that the transporting is illegal. However, this is but one viewpoint. There is nothing clear or self-evident that this is so. Many maintain, and with the aid of ample documentation (citing, e.g., Geneva Conventions, Additional Protocol I) that the Israeli blockade is illegal. If the Israeli blockade is indeed illegal, then transporting materials cannot be illegal.

I would say the same thing if the Wiki entry on the Gaza blockade was titled "illegal blockade," or something of that sort.

Further, unlike in the case of the Israeli blockade, there is no known source in international law which indicates or even suggests that the transport of materials across a blockade to be illegal. Hence the use of a word like smuggling is inappropriate, given the implication that the transports are in some way illegal.69.110.2.147 (talk) 23:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I dunno. People around here like to use the argument "Majority of the sources" who refer to them as smuggling tunnels, including these non-friendly to Israel outlets:
 * BBC: "The Israeli Army is attempting to destroy a series of tunnels in southern Gaza that are used for smuggling arms into the strip from Egypt"
 * NPR: "Smugglers' Tunnels In Gaza Strip Booming"
 * Times: "In the tunnels of Gaza, smugglers risk death for weapons" --Shuki (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Yavne and Yibna
There is discussion of a proposed merge of the Yibna and Yavne pages going on at Talk:Yavne. --Andrensath (talk &#124; contribs) 07:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Peer review for First Crusade now open
The peer review for First Crusade is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  18:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

New Racism in Palestine article
New article Racism in Palestine (Arab Palestinian regime, groups, population) was recently created. --Noleander (talk) 19:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Israel and the apartheid analogy - move request
Please see Talk:Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy and opine as your conscience leads you. -- Avi (talk) 21:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Israel and the apartheid analogy - assessment
(XPosting to all 3 relevant projects) From reading the guidelines on article assessment, it seems that anyone can upgrade or downgrade an article's quality rating (short of GA or FA) unless there is a more formal process that the appropriate WikiProject has. From my reading of what constitutes a "start class" article at WP:ASSESS, this one is well, well above that classification. But given the acrimony over this article, one editor simply reassessing on their own will no doubt meet with a revert war. So what do we do, is there a review/evaluation process here? Tarc (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Discussion about the current image illustrating the article on Ahmed Yassin
There is a discussion ongoing as to the current image illustrating the article on Ahmed Yassin. Should you be interested, your input would be appreciated at Talk:Ahmed Yassin. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 20:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Vote to rename Deir Yassin massacre
There is yet another vote (the ninth so far, by my count0 to change the name of Deir Yassin massacre to "Battle of Deir Yassin". See Talk:Deir Yassin massacre. RolandR (talk) 16:31, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

RfC: Should the image illustrating Yassin be changed
Please review the request for comment at Talk:Ahmed Yassin and comment if you feel moved to do so. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 18:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Debka article
Hello all, I'm a student at Georgetown's Masters in Arab Studies program and am a part of the Wikipedia Public Policy Initiative. Just wanted to give a heads up to the groups involved that I'll be doing research and edits on the origins and types of Debka, when it's danced, styles, etc.

--Naj87 (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)Naj87

references to Nablus
There are a number of articles that when they either first say Nablus or each time they say Nablus the phrase "biblical Shechem" is added. This is done in article that have no reference to Shechem or even try to make a connection the a biblical past. There are articles where it makes sense to include that Nablus is "biblical Shechem", but in article not discussing anything biblical should this link be made?  nableezy  - 22:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Jerusalem
There is currently a discussion taking place at Talk:Jerusalem over how the article should word certain issues. Some editors want the word "proclaimed" to be added to the first sentence of the article to describe it as the "proclaimed capital" of Israel as the international community does not recognise it as the capital of Israel, others disagree and think the status quo which has existed for about 3 years should remain (something that has been debated many times over the years but retained), and several compromises have also been suggested. The issue has now also spread to other matters, with some editors wanting it to say "proclaimed flag", "proclaimed mayor", "proclaimed coat of arms" etc, to also highlight the fact the international community does not recognise the status of Jerusalem. This matter could have implications for other articles if changes are made and a similar pattern followed. So input from other editors would be helpful. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 14:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Article on U.S. Military Assistance to the PA
Hello, I am also in the aforementioned class (see debke comment above) and I will be doing some research and creating an article on the U.S. involvement in PA security sector activities. Any advice/suggestions are much appreciated as I've never worked with Wikipedia before. Kmac1986 (talk) 02:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've posted my article entitled United States Security Assistance to the Palestinian Authority and I welcome your feedback. There is still much to revise and add. Thanks! Kmac1986 (talk) 03:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject cleanup listing
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1RR for the Arab-Israeli conflict articles
A recent discussion at WikiProject Arbitration Enforcement/Israel-Palestine articles has established a consensus to impose a 1RR restriction on the entire Arab-Israeli conflict set of articles. There's a template Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement, which has a shortcut of ARBPIA, to place on talk pages to explain the situation. PhilKnight (talk) 18:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Image selection for the Ahmed Yassin article
The discussion has settled on three options. If you are interested in having a say in the selection, please visit Talk:Ahmed Yassin and make your opinion known there. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 02:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Lebanon War
The 1982 Lebanon War was completly whitewashed, i think primarily by Jiujitsuguy - to favor israel. Many facts were hidden and it basically looks like a pro-israel propoganda. I thought you may be interested to know about it in this project. Eyalmc (talk) 12:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If it gets too POV, just revert him. Seems like he's a problem-editor, so he'll get banned soon anyway. FunkMonk (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Move request for Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority
It has been proposed that Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority be renamed and moved. Please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Requested moves.  Night w   11:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

RfC regarding an alleged conflict of sources
There is a discussion on an admin noticeboard regarding Palestine's membership in the UN regional groupings. The discussion is verging on becoming stale, and I'm requesting comments from editors with some background knowledge on the subject. Any comments would be greatly appreciated.  Night w   15:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... Just a clarification... WP:NORN is not an "admin" noticeboard. It is a community noticeboard.  Most of those responding there are not admins (and the opinions of those who happen to be admins have no more weight than opinions of non-admins).  NORN gives you advice and a sense of community consensus ... not admin "rulings" that are official. Blueboar (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Move request for State of Palestine
It has been proposed that State of Palestine be moved. Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:State of Palestine. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 08:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Arabic hip hop
Hi, I was wondering if anyone in charge of the ratings could take a look at the Arabic hip hop page. It is listed as part of Project Palestine and I've made some significant contributions lately - I'm hoping it can be moved up from "Start" class. I've tried my best to turn it from a listing and forum for promotional materials to more of a historical entry that deals with development of the genre. If anyone has contributions to make, or suggestions, etc. please feel free. Amongst no roses (talk) 05:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

One-state solution
The above article could use some more citations and useful contributions. Please participate.--  Novus    Orator     11:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you know?
Not sure what to make of this: I was exploring Project Israel's new article listing, particularly articles related to 1948. Between January and April last year Ynhockey created sixteen new articles. According to my count all of them got references on the main page "did you know" section. Is there something I don't know? Is there a procedure for submitting suggestions? Mine would be Thomas C. Wasson and Mordechai Weingarten and .. etc... Also I am trying to get "The Egyptian army invaded Israel" changed. Padres Hana (talk) 15:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * See Did you know for the process. Basically, the article creator, or another editor, can nomimnate a new, or significantly-expanded, article for the page within five days of its creation. RolandR (talk) 16:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Ancient Near East archaeological sites reorganization (Suggestion)
Please see this discussion here. Yazan (talk) 19:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Trying to bend the rules
I have had a picture in Kav 300 affair removed. It was taken from the (now electronic) Israeli magazine "Challenge" after I had written to the editor, Roni Ben Efrat, to see how to get permission from the photographer, Alex Levac. She e-mailed back saying it wasn't a problem. Of course this hasn't satisfied the "Commons" copyright people. The picture has been removed. Somewhere I have a memory of it being possible to break the copyright codes in special cases. Has anyone suggestions as to how to proceed? In this case the picture is fundamental to the article. Meantime I have patched a link to a Hebrew site that has it. I have no Hebrew so am unable to pursue that avenue towards permission from Levac himself. Padres Hana (talk) 23:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

new kid on the block : /
as salaam alaikum to all here i really have no idea what i'm doing and not even sure i've joined the Palestinain team here yet (can't find the join button!) reason i'm here is we've begun an anti-Hasbara operation on Twitter and trying to educate people what Hasbara is etc _ came to the wikipedia Hasbara page and saw it needed 'clean up' and thought i'd have a go because i can't really use or link to it if links on wiki page are dead etc _ would be really cool to talk to someone _ thanks take care o: ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PIDFweb (talk • contribs) 00:32, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Project AfD
Please see: Articles for deletion/Justus Weiner (2nd nomination). Jaque Hammer (talk) 04:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed move: Foreign relations of Palestine
It has been proposed that Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority be renamed and moved to Foreign relations of Palestine. Please see the move discussion here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Night w (talk • contribs) 10:17, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merger of templates
TheCuriousGnome has proposed merging Template:Historic region of Palestine topics into Template:Historic region of Palestine topics. Please chime in at Template talk:Palestine topics. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Pallywood
May I request that contributors to WikiProject Palestine please review a dispute currently taking place at Talk:Pallywood. CJCurrie (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposal to rename Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization article
It has been proposed that the article Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization is renamed to Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization as this is the official title. Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization. Alinor (talk) 05:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Palestinian rabbis
Please see the rfc at Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis. Chesdovi (talk) 13:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Region designation for locations in West Bank
There was a tag on Kfar Etzion massacre saying it needed co-ordinates. I pasted those given for Kfar Etzion. Noticing that it had region:IL I changed it to region:Palestine. It was corrected back to IL. I questioned this and it is now region:PS (as it should be). I have been looking around other pages relating to places in the West Bank. With every location that I have checked when you click on the co-ordinates at the top of the page you get to a page which gives region: as undefined (e.g. Ramallah etc]]. I have tried to change this on Bil'in but this has resulted in the actual numbers shown becoming over-printed. Any suggestions? Padres Hana (talk) 14:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorted! But I have come across another problem: Gilo should be region:PS - my edit was slapped down. Moving on I have been looking at other West Bank locations: a large number of settlements use an Israeli village template which, tempting as it would be, I must not make a blanket change to. So I hope to create a settlement template - but would be very grateful if someone else got there first!!!! Padres Hana (talk) 16:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Open move request at FR of the Palestinian National Authority
The move request at Talk:Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority was closed, so we're now taking suggestions for an alternative. As you were involved in the previous discussion, I'd be grateful if you could contribute to the new one. Please lodge your support for a proposal, or make one of your own. Night w2 (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel
A discussion on a possible re-naming of this Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel is currently taking place that may interest members of this project. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

RfC of interest at Operation Entebbe
Please see the RfC at Talk:Operation Entebbe. –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 05:41, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Invitation template
I just posted an invitation to join this project on a new user's talk page, and I discovered that the template had been changed without any notification here. Instead of adding the template on this project page, it adds a template which includes an outline map of the West Bank and Gaza. Apart from any political/ideological implications of this (which may not be accepted my many project members), this implies that only areas occupied in 1967 are of interest or relevance to this project. Do other project members agree with me that the template should be reverted to that omn our own project page, which does not make any geographical statements at all? RolandR (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Evidently it was changed in April 2009. Nobody noticed until now? That's sad.
 * I like the new text, but that map is atrocious. Let's just remove it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Khirbet Kerak / Bet Yerah / Al Sinnabra
The article Al-Sinnabra has been proposed for merger with Khirbet Kerak (Discuss). Your viewpoints would be quite appropriate here.--Sreifa (talk) 05:34, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

AfDs for Palestinian cause and List of Palestinian solidarity organizations
While these articles may not be perfect or quite the needed article, there obviously needs to be some stand alone article describing the variety of activist and solidarity groups (besides Palestinian political violence !} Others argue that mentions in Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Palestinian people are more than enough. However, obviously Wikipedia needs article(s) about the range of Palestinian groups or solidarity groups around the world. Someone commented there is not even a currently existing category on this topic. (I can't remember what I found when researched last week, but not much.) So if someone wants to work on saving these articles or creating others... CarolMooreDC (talk) 21:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also I just notice that List of Palestinian organizations designated as terrorist exists and is not up for AfD. But I have a feeling that people are not aware of this project and some (like recent editors of two articles) need to be notified so that they can work together to create/beef up needed articles. Anyone still active here? CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Carol, please be mindful of WP:Canvassing when you post messages like these.
 * With respect to List of Palestinian organizations designated as terrorist, consider bringing it to AfD if it bothers you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Encouraging people to do something on one or two relevant Wikiprojects is canvassing? I thought that was the purpose of Wikiprojects.
 * Of course, considering there seem to be dozens of people willing to react to an AfD on Wikiproject Israel, and not too many here, I'm not terribly motivated. CarolMooreDC (talk) 01:50, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's discussion of redirect of Pro-Palestinian. Reminder I've been meaning to go around alerting editors who might be interested in this project about it to maybe get some energy going again, using the template. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Fixing incomplete/duplicate info on main page
I couldn't find the editing page for the Advertising section where under Ongoing content discussion There is the text: To invite other users — who solidly contribute to Palestine-related articles — to join this Project, add this message to their talk page. This just repeats the "invite" template on top and doesn't have a link. Could someone clean it up? Thanks. CarolMooreDC (talk) 13:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Still not fixed. Should I go to Village pump (technical)? CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed, I hope, with this edit. If this isn't what you wanted, the page you need to edit is this one. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:08, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fix and info! CarolMooreDC (talk) 20:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for help finding Nuran EMT
Hi, The article Hatzalah has a mention in the "interaction with other agencies" section about an East J-lem EMT group called Nuran. Currently the only WP article for Nuran is about a village in Azerbaijan. As far as I can tell, there is no page about the organization in English, Hebrew, or Arabic. I'm happy to create one but I have been unable to find even a mention of this group. I assume that most sources are in Arabic which I do not read. Can editors here help out to find sources or mentions for this group. If we can't find even a mention of it we should probably remove the line from the Hatzalah article as well, as the group may not exist and just be a long-standing error. Joe407 (talk) 05:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Are there any pages that need more detail, or to be created.
--Wiki Khalil (talk) 19:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new to wikipedia. What pages on the Palestine Project need either further developement or to be created? I'll try to help out.

Category:People named for Palestine
Category:People named for Palestine is up for Cfd. Chesdovi (talk) 11:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Isn't there a page similar to that already? (Wiki_Khalil) (talk)
 * Where? Chesdovi (talk) 12:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh I just found it, but I just realized its Palstinian "terrorist victims". Thats the link if your interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Palestinian_terrorism_victims If you need any help with any other pages just let me know, I really want to contribute to something. (Wiki_Khalil) (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC).
 * Well maybe you would consider voting on the following Palestine orienatted category: Category:Rabbis named after places in Palestine. Chesdovi (talk) 09:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Historic designation of the Palestine region
Please comment at Historic designation of the Palestine region. Chesdovi (talk) 14:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Experienced editors with specialist regional knowledge urgently wanted
The Arbitration Committee is seeking to appoint additional people to the CheckUser and Oversight teams, in particular people with specialist knowledge.


 * Because of increasing activity in the South Asian, Southeast Asian, or Middle Eastern regions, CheckUser applications are particularly sought from people who not only meet our general requirements but also are familiar with the ISPs and typical editing patterns of any of these regions.

Successful candidates are likely to be regularly available and already familiar with local and global processes, policies, and guidelines especially those concerning CheckUser and Oversight. CheckUser candidates are expected to be technically proficient, and previous experience with OTRS is beneficial for Oversight candidates. All candidates must at least 18 years of age; have attained legal majority in their jurisdiction of residence; and be willing to identify to the Wikimedia Foundation prior to receiving permissions. If you think you may be suitably qualified, please see the appointments page for further information. The application period is scheduled to close 18 September 2011. Roger Davies talk 15:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Palestinian rabbis
Do you think the name "Palestinians rabbis" is the best name for this article. Please share your knowledge on the matter here. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Price tag policy
Please share your knowledge on this topic and help us make this article more comprehensive and well-balanced. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange
Do you think the name "Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange" is the best name for this article. Please share your knowledge on the matter here. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Mein Kampf in the Arabic language
Please could editors kindly have a look at this discussion (Talk:Mein Kampf in the Arabic language) and consider whether it may be worth reopening the deletion debate? I believe the existance of this article is degrading to wikipedia, as it is blatant propaganda. Oncenawhile (talk) 15:31, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yikes, that is ridiculous! FunkMonk (talk) 15:45, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine
United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine has undergone large scale modifications over the past month. Other editors are invited to help fix any mistakes I have made. Jsolinsky (talk) 15:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

2002 Hebron ambush
Is the 2002 Hebron ambush considered a terrorist act or legitimate battle between two military forces? Please share your knowledge on this matter in this discussion. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

How to describe what happened to the Mandate for Palestine after the 1948 war
Talknic and I have reached an impasse on the League of Nations mandate page. All or most of the mandates include a characterization of the mandate after the mandate ended. Talknic feels that the current language doing this for the Mandate for Palestine is misleading. We have had difficulty working with each other in the past. A fresh set of eyes might be able to find a solution where we are plainly not. Jsolinsky (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If no useful responses you might list at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Current_Article_Issues. CarolMooreDC 03:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Next Palestinian general election
This article is currently at Next Palestinian general election, it's talk page is at talk:Palestinian general election, 2011/2012 (the complementary redirects do exist). Reading the article I think both article and talk should be at Palestinian general election, 2012 but don't want to tread on any toes (I know articles in this area are sometimes sensitive). The article and talk both appear fairly inactive, so I've posted here rather than make a requested move, but I leave it in your capable hands.

If the page is moved, please list the resultant Next Palestinian general election redirect at User:Thryduulf/Time-sensitive redirects (compiling that list is how I found this situation). Thryduulf (talk) 22:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Naming Dispute over History of Pottery in the Southern Levant
Recently, the article History of Pottery in the Southern Levant was moved to History of Pottery in Palestine. It had been under the title History of Pottery in the Southern Levant for around 5 years, and it had been my understanding that this was in order to keep the article NPOV. I am currently in a dispute with the editor who moved the page on the article talk page and was wondering if anyone would be able to assist regarding the proper naming of the article. Thanks Drsmoo (talk) 18:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

What is a Palestinian refugee?
Have you ever been involved in an editing dispute in which you were accused of being POV, and not even understood what the other party is complaining about?

I am currently having that problem with talknic in Palestinian refugee. His Palestinian refugee article begins thusly:

"The definition for Palestinian refugees or Palestine refugees accepted by the drafters of UNGA Res 194, as confirmed by the UNCCP[3], included Arabs whose normal places of residence was in Israel and Jews who had their homes in Arab Palestine, such as the those from the Jewish quarter of the Old City."

I think that this is utterly obtuse. It is much more likely to confuse than enlighten a first time reader. Can somebody at least explain to me what talknic is so concerned about? I gather that there are multiple definitions, and that some of those definitions would tend to support the contentions of Israelis and/or Palestinians. But I am unable to ascertain exactly what talknic is concerned about.

Perhaps it is possible to address his concern without making the lede unreadable? I request help or at least enlightenment. Jsolinsky (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Photo resource
FunkMonk left me a message about this site where there are photos "in the public domain even though many are from after 1923 (they were donated to the US gov)". There may be some nice pics there for articles related to the project for those who wish to take a look.  T i a m u t talk 17:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah incident
See discussion here pertaining to changes to Muhammad al-Durrah incident: Talk:Muhammad al-Durrah incident... — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Muslim history in the region of Palestine
Please share your knowledge on this topic and help us make this article more comprehensive and well-balanced. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Discussion of interest at WT:ISRAEL
There is a discussion at WT:ISRAEL that may be of interest to members of WP:PALESTINE. Please find it at WT:ISRAEL. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:35, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Truman trusteeship proposal
Please could all interested editors kindly contribute to the discussion here Articles for deletion/Truman trusteeship proposal. Oncenawhile (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Solomon's Stables
(Posting this to WP:Palestine and WP:Israel, as the two sponsoring wiki-projects)

I wonder if anyone could take a look at the article on Solomon's Stables (Marwani Mosque) on the Temple Mount.

substantially re-wrote the section of the history of the site in a series of edits on 25 May 2011 (diff), based on a 2004 conference paper that some might say reflected temple denial rather than serious archaeology.

I've demoted what he added to an "alternative view", and restored the previously sourced material (diff).

But I'd welcome input on the talk page (section: "Alternative view") as to the best way forward. If this is a widespread thesis we probably should report it; but should we really suggest it is credible, if it really isn't? Jheald (talk) 19:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Palestine will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Palestine's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Salam alequm, bonsoir à mes soeurs palestiniennes de l'autre côté du Mur, שלום בעלת האחיותהפלשתיניות שלי  I don't speak Arabic but WE LEAD THE SAME FIGHT  women together, this month is very important for  all women, Beaucoup de  courage, מזל טוב --Cordialement féministe ♀  Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Football with Easton Cowboys, Bristol
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:West Bank Premier League. -- Trevj (talk) 16:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Palestine women's national football team
Salam, For the month of the women and to serve as modele to the young girls, why not work on this page Palestine women's national football team. I know nothing of the football sport (I am from the Pole North and to me, is the Women ice hockey) but with a encouragement, you can. Soyez courageuses mes soeurs palestiniennesהרבה אומץ --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 19:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Transjordan/Jordan
Can someone please clarify when exactly Transjordan was renamed Jordan? I have seen sources stating 1946, 1949, 1950 and 1951 (there is also inconsistency within Wikipedia on the issue)? I would have asked on WP:JORDAN, but that appears to be effectively dead. Number  5  7  14:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A bit confusing. I believe it was either 1949 or 1950. It officially became the Kingdom of Jordan during the latter year when parliamentarians from the West Bank and Transjordan voted for unification. See Abdullah Rimawi, "Member of Parliament" section. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It is indeed. I was primarily asking because I was wondering whether Jordanian parliamentary election, 1950 should be suitably renamed (as per Transjordanian parliamentary election, 1947). Perhaps I'll just leave it. Cheers, Number   5  7  20:52, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge of Mandate Palestine into British Mandate for Palestine
In 2010, the article "Mandate Palestine" was forked out of "British Mandate for Palestine" article, becoming an identical article since. Due to the almost complete overlap (technically both articles describe a former Mandatory geopolitical entity of Palestine under British rule, which has only one article in other languages) and ongoing confusion (some insisted that "British Mandate for Palestine" is more the name of a 1922 document and not a country), i propose to merge Mandate Palestine into British Mandate for Palestine, and make an additional article named British Mandate for Palestine (document) to prevent confusion between the document and the geopolitical entity. Please vote with a proper reasoning here.Greyshark09 (talk) 10:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree entirely with the above: why on earth not? Abedwayyad (talk) 09:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please write your opinion on the talk page - Talk:Mandate Palestine. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

The articles are neither identical or have identical purposes. There seems to be confusion over terminology. I have restored the italicised text, removed recently by Greyshark, which was at the head of the British Mandate for Palestine article which explained the two articles' purposes: ''This article deals with the Mandate instrument passed by the League of Nations granting Britain a mandate over the area currently occupied by Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Jordan. For a history of the period, see Mandate Palestine.'' Undoubtedly, there is some duplication, with material being detailed in both articles which should only be detailed in one. The first question that should be asked is whether it is desirable to split material into separarticles or to have it in a single one. If the decision is made to carry on with the split, there should be some cleaning up done to remove the duplication.    ←   ZScarpia  12:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ZScarpia, please lets concentrate the talk on Talk:Mandate Palestine. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:20, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

It seems to me that there are legitimately two separate topics, which are prone to confusion because of the same name is commonly used for each. One topic is the "mandate" given to Britain by the league of nations to adminster Palestine. Analogous to a treaty, this encompasses the history of how the mandate came about, what it says, how it was interpreted, and how it came to be terminated. The other topic, obviously related, but different, is the territory defined by the mandate as Palestine -- the political conflicts, demographics economy, government etc. of this territory from September 1923 through May 1948. Rather than merging the articles, should try to prune each back to cover its own topic. --Sjsilverman (talk) 18:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ended up changing my position on this issue. Good discussion on Talk:Mandate Palestine.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjsilverman (talk • contribs) 15:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please hold the discussion on the talk page of Talk:Mandate Palestine.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:20, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Please vote on the new name here Talk:British_Mandate_for_Palestine. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi all, this debate has become quite complex - more thoughtful voices in the debate would be greatly appreciated. Oncenawhile (talk) 01:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)