Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine/Archive 8

Blanking of Palestinian costumes due to alledged copyright violation.
[I copied this from another wikiproject; don't know how to deal with myself.] CarolMooreDC 05:18, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can anyone help reverse the indiscrimnate shut down of Palestinian costumes which as far as I can see is due to a few examples of poor paraphrasing done in good faith? Padres Hana (talk) 22:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The article could be spared if the text that was found to violate copyright is rewritten to conform with policy. This was the website that the article apparently copied parts from in some form. The Duplicate Detector unfortunately has given no examples of copyright violations in the article so the task of rewriting could be a bit tedious, but not too challenging. It's a Good article so I doubt it's going to be hastily deleted. If anybody is interested they could help rewrite parts of the article at Talk:Palestinian costumes/Temp. Afterward that draft could be presented to the CCI board for clearing. --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Need your help
I recently created the article King Hussein's federation plan which covers a somehow controversial topic which is still of great importance both to Palestinians, Jordanians and Israelis. For this reason, it is very important that the article would be covered objectively and be well balanced.

Anyone who is familiar with the topic is more than welcome to share their knowledge objectively. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Free Highbeam Accounts
The internet research database HighBeam Research has 1000 free accounts available. HighBeam has full versions of tens of millions of newspaper articles and journals and should be a big help in adding reliable sources--especially older and paywalled ones--into the encyclopedia. Sign-ups require a 1-year old account with 1000 edits on any Wikipedia. Here's the link to the project page: http://enwp.org/WP:HighBeam (account sign-ups are linked in the box on the right). Feel free to sign up to help improve your work on this project's articles. CarolMooreDC 15:05, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Migration of template content to decades templates
Please express your opinion here. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 06:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Occupied Palestine article nominated for deletion!
Hello, I want to take your attention that the article Occupied Palestine have been nominated for deletion. The version that was nominated for deletion is this. Since that it was edited by somes who apparently want to endorse its deletion (like this edit and maybe others). 3Princip (talk) 00:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Neighbor Procedure
Is there a reason why we don't have an article on the "Neighbor Procedure"? Was there one which was deleted or is it considered inappropriate topic for inclusion? We have the "Neighbor Procedure" very briefly described in the Breaking the Silence article but I do not see a Wikipedia article for it.

Sources which could be used for such an article:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

And many more

Poyani (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Jerusalem articles in dire need of attention
Hi all, there are various important Jerusalem-related articles out there which are in dire need of attention. Jerusalem during the Crusader period and Jerusalem during the Mamluk period were machine-translated from the extensive articles on Hebrew-wiki and are currently incomprehensible. They were recently blanked and transformed into redirects, but that was undone as a lot of good information, unavailable elsewhere, would have been lost. Any effort going into transforming the two above-mentioned into proper articles would be much appreciated, be it translation, formatting, grammar, citations or images. We once went through the same process with Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period and the result wasn't half bad. Poliocretes (talk) 15:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Bassem al-Tamimi
I've given a start to an article on Bassem al-Tamimi, a Palestinian activist controversially convicted for organizing stone throwers in Nabi Salih. Other eyes would be welcome! I'd be particularly interested if a Hebrew-speaker can turn up an Israeli government or Tamimi critic comment on today's conviction to balance what's there from the English language press, or if anyone can fill in some of the story of Tamimi's (11!) previous arrests. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 04:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Israeli settlements illegal boilerplate language discussion
At Israel Palestine Collaboration talk page individuals are trying to overturn a consensus from last year or so regarding boilerplate language in all Israeli settlement articles stating the international community finds them illegal. Feel free to comment. CarolMooreDC 21:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

List of Israeli settlements article?
As part of the "boiler plate" discussion above, I noticed that while there is Category:Israeli settlements, there is no article List of Israeli settlements or List of Israeli illegal settlements. Such an article could flesh out the vague statement in Israeli settlement that As of December 2010, 327,750 Israelis live in the 121 officially-recognised settlements in the West Bank, 192,000 Israelis live in settlements in East Jerusalem and over 20,000 live in settlements in the Golan Heights.  (There is an article Israeli settlement timeline which needs updating, FYI.)

The article could be similar in structure to List of Israeli cities, with a lead and photographs. And a list in Columns which could read: Common name, District (in both Israeli and Palestinian terms, if different), Date Established, Area, Population, International Status (mentioning any refs that mention each settlement is illegal under international law, since this is the language that some people would like to get rid of.) There also could be a separate section, say on settlements with planned expansion, settlements that have been abandoned and whatever else might be common to a number of them, as there is in List of Israeli cities. It would be pretty easy fill in the blanks, but I'm reluctant to start and do it all, especially since there probably would be an immediate AfD on some spurious pretext. Anyone game for it?? CarolMooreDC 00:53, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

problems on Operation Wrath of God
See discussion here. The article has major problems that need to be remedied if the article is to stay featured. Otherwise I will send it to featured article reassessment. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:25, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

FAR
I have nominated Operation Wrath of God for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Yasser Arafat
Discussion regarding separate page for Death of Yasser Arafat. Thoughts are welcome. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Is the Bat Ayin ax attack notable enough to be included in Wikipedia?
Please share your knowledge on the matter in the AfD which is currently taking place. Thank you. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 05:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to discussion
There is a discussion on the Beitar Illit about the removal of part of a generic text which is sourced to general sources, not specific to Beitar Illit. Please weigh in. Debresser (talk) 15:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Jerusalem
There is a discussion taking place on Talk:Jerusalem about fundamental changes to the introduction of the article. People are encouraged to take part. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 10:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

You don't have good coverage of Years in Palestine
I took a look at Years in the Palestinian territories, and there aren't articles for most of the years scene the 1940s. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 03:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I Have a draft of 1948 at User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman/1948 in the Palestinian territories. —Preceding undated comment added 02:14, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a copy of 1948 in Israel and mostly needs the irreverent Israel stuff removed before it's ready to go live, though other improvements are welcome. Feel free to help out.Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:28, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Jenin.jpg
file:Jenin.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 03:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Content split of Portal:Palestine
There's a proposed Content split of Portal:Palestine into one portal about the Palestinian territories, and one about the Palestine/Israel region. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Scope
My understanding is that this WikiProject is about both the Palestine/Israel region and the Palestinian territories. If I'm correct, shouldn't this be noted in WikiProject Palestine/About? (talk) 13:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Creation of Gaza Strip Economy article
Hi all,

I have just joined this group and was planning on creating an in depth page on the Economy of the Gaza Strip.

I was planning on adding several things to the article (not necessarily in this order). 1) An extensive history section covering Gaza during the following time periods: Pre-1947, 1947-2006, and 2006 onwards. I hope to characterize how Israel has affected the economic development of the region, and whether Hamas' leadership has improved or impacted the Gaza economy significantly.

2) Creating an extensive foreign aid sections that covers the impact on the Gaza economy.

3) Creating and condensing the different sectors of the economy into one section, with extensive sub sections for each branch of the market (Energy, Construction, Recreation, Housing, Tourism, and Transport)

4) A section discussing the predicted the economic future of the Gaza Strip.

5) An Unemployment section as well as a Labor and Welfare section.

6) An Economic Overview of the Gaza Strip.

I plan to use some sources from different reports by the US government (Government Accountability Office), as well as published articles (Ilana Feldman “Ad Hoc Humanity: UN Peacekeeping and the Limits of International Community in Gaza” American Anthropologist Vol. 112 No. 3 (2010)) and books (Sara M. Roy, Hamas and civil society in Gaza: engaging the Islamist social sector (Princeton University Press, 2011)). I am still gathering sources at the moment, and plan on using Google Scholar to expand my references.

Additionally, while I plan to be writing about economic functions of the Gaza Strip, I don't have an extensive background in economic systems. I was wondering if there were any economics specialists out there who could offer their insights or analysis on the sources I might be posting, and making sure that I am fitting everything into the big picture correctly.

I would also love any feedback or input anyone could give me on creating this page. I understand that this page and any information I find may be biased either for or against either side, so I was hoping to get a second pair of eyes in evaluating sources and writing impartially.

Thanks again, and if there is anyone interested in working together, feel free to contact me.

MaxIngRak (talk) 09:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Flag and CoA on Palestinian_territories
There's a dispute on weather to include a flag and CoA on Talk:Palestinian_territories, based largely on weather their their Palestinian symbols, or just symbols of the State of Palestine/Palestinian National Authority. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 12:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Economy of the Palestinian Territories
It has been suggested that Economy of the Palestinian territories be moved to Economy of the Palestinian Authority. Comments and input are welcomed. Dlv999 (talk) 09:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Mouin Rabbani
Mouin Rabbani has been nominated for deletion. Comments and input are welcomed at Articles for deletion/Mouin Rabbani. Dlv999 (talk) 23:15, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

UN non-member state status for Palestine. Vote expected in November 2012
Is there a separate article for this? If not, where is this discussed in other articles? I can not find anything yet.

See:
 * Palestine to seek UN non-Member State status, Abbas tells General Assembly debate. United Nations News Centre. Sept. 27, 2012 article.
 * Palestine seeks UN non-member status. September 27, 2012. By SAPA (South African Press Association). --Timeshifter (talk) 03:57, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

The 1933 Palestinian Demonstrations
I was reading through this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Palestine_riots) article when I noticed that it claims the Arab Higher Committee, in 1933, called for a general strike. The problem with this claim is that the Arab Higher Committee was established in 1936... I believe the person who edited the article meant the Arab Executive Committee. Should I edit the article? --Wiki Khalil (talk) 010:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right and I changed it. However that article is in dire need of clean up and sourcing. Zerotalk 23:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll work on the article tonight and add sources. --Wiki Khalil (talk)

Redirects
Creating the redirects listed at Bot_requests would be fine, correct? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC) The rederctes are:
 * X the Palestinian territories" to "X the Palestinian National Authority" (e.g. Politics of the Palestinian territories)
 * X the Palestinian National Authority" to "X the Palestinian territories" (e.g. Demographics of the Palestinian National Authority)

Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Currently, I have:
 * Main page is YEAR in the Palestinian territories
 * Redirect YEAR of the Palestinian territories to YEAR in the Palestinian territories
 * YEAR in Palestine to YEAR in the Palestinian territories
 * YEAR in the Palestinian National Authority to YEAR in the Palestinian territories
 * YEAR of the Palestinian National Authority to YEAR in the Palestinian territories
 * YEAR of Palestine to YEAR in the Palestinian territories


 * Then:
 * Main page is YEAR in Mandatory Palestine
 * YEAR of the Mandatory Palestinian territories
 * YEAR in the Mandatory Palestinian territories
 * YEAR in the Mandatory Palestinian National Authority
 * YEAR of the Mandatory Palestinian National Authority
 * YEAR of Mandatory Palestine


 * After that, it will tag all talk pages with
 * For more details, see Years in the Palestinian territories. Thanks, Thine Antique Pen (talk) 09:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Palestinian territories or occupied Palestinian territories is a much more dubious and vague term than the PNA and Hamas Administration, because occupied Palestinian territories on one hand are or were defined as West Bank and Gaza combined, but on the other hand are currently more and more related as areas under Palestinian control in parts of WB and in Gaza (PNA and Hamas Administration). In addition, the "occupied Palestinian territories" term is not used by the UN, preferring West Bank and Gaza Strip - the reason being that Israel has indeed occupied those areas in 1967, but at the time the areas were not defined as Palestinian, but rather Jordanian West Bank and Egyptian Gaza Strip.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is nothing vague or dubious about the term Palestinian Territories. It is a well defined and commonly used term used to describe Gaza and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem).
 * Palestinian Territories is the name used to refer to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip by International media organizations, , in academic literature , by the UN, , EU , individual Governments such as the UK and US, international human rights organizations , , the International Court of Justice , and the International committee of the Red Cross among others.
 * Unless you provide evidence to support your assertions all you are giving us is your personal opinion, which does not carry much weight. Your statement about the UN is flat out wrong. Dlv999 (talk) 07:48, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think anything you have said there is actually the case. It strikes me a quite a parochial and oddly fragmented way of looking at things. Perhaps it makes sense from the perspective of a subset of citizens of one small country, but it's out of step with RS. As for occupied Palestinian territories, "Palestinian Territory, Occupied" is even part of the ISO 3166 standard used all over the world by countless companies/organizations/systems, and covers both the entire West Bank (inc. East Jerusalem) and Gaza Strip. It seems much more dubious and vague to push for the use of PNA and Hamas Administration to describe what countless sources refer to simply and unambiguously as the Palestinian territories, with or without the "occupied". It's very clear what the Palestinian territories means because it is defined by the green line that separates Israel from not-Israel.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 13:04, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Mergers
There are currently two discussions considering the merger of Palestinian villages depopulated in 1948 with the Israeli Moshav and Kibbitz that were later founded on the former land or in the general vicinity of the Palestinian villages. The articles are Al-Kabri -> Kabri (Galilee) and al-Bassa -> Betzet (Galilee). All input is welcomed. Dlv999 (talk) 08:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I ask editors to participate in discussions on merger of Al-Kabri -> Kabri (Galilee) and on merger of al-Bassa -> Betzet (Galilee). The Al-Kabri and al-Bassa place names are essentially Arabic pronunciations for existing Kabri and Betzet (Hebrew/Canaanite pronunciations), and belong to still existent localities, with none or negligible changes in location. Currently, the Al-Kabri and al-Bassa articles claim to describe only the Palestinian Arab localities (Mandatory period), even though the villages still exist today within Israel and existed prior to the establishment of Mandatory Palestine (Ottoman and Mamluk periods and earlier). I hence proposed that those articles be merged into Kabri and Betzet accordingly. This merger is in accordance with similar cases of Amka, Ashdod and Caesarea, though in one case the merger was not agreed upon (case of Alma, Palestine and Alma, Israel).Greyshark09 (talk) 21:55, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Palestinian territories history template
Should we have a History of the Palestinian territories history template? Perhaps it should be something like History of South Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk • contribs) 20:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Palestinian territories move request
There's a move request for Palestinian territories at Talk:Palestinian_territories — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk • contribs) 14:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Withdrawn on precedural grounds.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:History of the Palestinian territories
I created History of the Palestinian territories. It's modeled after History of South Korea. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Renamed into History of Palestine "History of the Palestinian Authority" template.Greyshark09 (talk) 23:09, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

There's now a requested move of it at [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk • contribs) 22:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Mandate of Palestine
I am abit unsure if it belongs here, not used to these Wiki project pages, but just wanted to add that some extra input is prolly needed on the Talk:League of Nations mandate page for a discussion about the Mandate of Palestine's being or not being a Class A mandate. //Gotipe (talk) 01:06, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Merger discussion
At Talk:1660 destruction of Safed there is a proposal for a merger with 1660 destruction of Tiberias. Zerotalk 01:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Would people from Ancient Palestine such as be within the scope of this WikiProject?
Would people from Ancient Palestine such as Jesus be within the scope of this WikiProject? There seams to be some confusion about that on Talk:Jesus. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Palestinian Authority issue
Users are welcome to express their opinion on a reformulated discussion Talk:Palestinian National Authority. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, we're getting various mostly WP:original research discussions on whether there is now a formal recognized State of Palestine since 29 November 2012 when the UN General Assembly passed United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19 changing Palestine's status to "non-member state" - implicitly recognising its sovereignty. Do we need a centralized RfC on the issue? Or someone to just do a really good research job for State of Palestine and disseminate it through relevant articles?? CarolMooreDC 17:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * There is related discussion here:
 * commons:Commons:Requests for comment/Palestine and Palestinian territories. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Moroccan or Maghrebin Quarter
There is problem in the article Mughrabi Quarter. some said that it's concerne Morocco and some others said that it concerne the Maghreb. Can you participate on this vote here please. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 23:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Bad introduction. There, we don't discuss if there were inhabitants of the quarter of Algerian/Tunisian descent, but we are discussing its english name per WP:ENG/WP:UE. Thanks to avoid giving such biased introductions.
 * --Omar-toons (talk) 05:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * However in the english term, you put Moroccan and it concerne people of Maghreb not only Morocco. And the term Mughrabi refere to Maghreb wich is the english terme. And finally, I prefere that wikipedians of this project judge by them selves if it's correct or no. Regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 10:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems that you don't understand : the English name found on English RS is "Moroccan quarter", and WP adopts English common names, it doesn't translate them from other languages per WP:ENG/WP:UE. --Omar-toons (talk) 11:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it doesn't translate in other languages, so people of Maghreb are called Maghrebin or Mughrabi (in the middle age) not Morrocan (wich refere to Morocco only). You can found the complete english terme here on Google books. Regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move: Palestine → Palestine (region) State of Palestine → Palestine
There's an RM for Palestine → Palestine (region) State of Palestine → Palestine at Talk:Palestine. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

What types of attacks should be included in the template Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 2000s?
Please participate in this discussion and share your opinion on the matter. Thanks. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I opined there. Meanwhile I'm wondering, under Category:Palestine_templates where is the one for Palestinian casualties, or Israeli military attacks, or whatever? CarolMooreDC 03:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Second Battle of Gaza
Hi, This article has recently been rewritten and reconstructed with cited information. It has previously been assessed as C-class by the Wikiproject Palestine. Would it be possible to have it reassessed in the light of these recent improvements? Thanks a lot, --Rskp (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Palestinian airports
Could I get a comment or two before I move and redirect this article? Talk:List of airports in the Palestinian territories Thank you, and if someone wants to go ahead and make the change, feel free, especially if there are wikiproject concerns that i may not be aware of. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Are "Palestinian territories" titles still appropriate for topic articles
There a discussion about weather topic articles about the West Bank and Gaza Strip such as Economy of the Palestinian territories should continue to "Palestinian territories" in their titles considering the recent UN vote at Village_pump_(proposals). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you haven't, take a look at State of Palestine where hopefully most thorough discussion of this is ongoing. Too busy to study issue myself, unfortunately. CarolMooreDC 07:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - a related discussion about the definition of "Palestinian territories" is ongoing at Talk:Palestinian territories.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Discussion of broadening definition of "fringe" topics/writers/bios/etc
At Wikipedia_talk:Fringe_theories. About twice as many people in favor. Sounds like impending censorship to me, imposed over the holidays yet, including regarding topics/writers/bios/etc. often covered in this Wikiproject. CarolMooreDC 22:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment
Please comment on Talk:Land_of_Israel. Debresser (talk) 11:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Operation Entebbe
Operation Entebbe, an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIR corn (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Palestine portal split
Recently user:Emmette Hernandez Coleman proposed to split Portal:Palestine and create Portal:Palestinian territories (see Portal talk:Palestine), with the rationale that Palestine is a geographic area without specific association with any people or politics, while Palestinian territories is about Palestinian people and modern Palestinian politics. Emmette also has already created a twin template to template:History of Palestine, named template:Governance of Palestine from 1948 to demonstrate this concept. Editor opinions are welcome on the issues of: Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Portal:Palestine content split (at Portal talk:Palestine)
 * Whether template:Governance of Palestine from 1948 should be separate from template:History of Palestine (at Template talk:Governance of Palestine from 1948).
 * That's not quite my rationale. My rationale is the same rationale that Palestinian territories and Palestine are separate articles, that they are not the same thing. Also formal template merge discussions are supposed to take place at Templates for discussion. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 05:22, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Palestine at Asia topic
An ongoing discussion at Asia topic template talk page is proposing to change the redirection target of "Palestine" from "Palestinian territories" to "State of Palestine" at Template:Asia topic. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 14:01, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Bab al Shams
Just started Bab al Shams. -DePiep (talk) 02:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israel–Gaza conflict timeline 2006–2008
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Israel–Gaza conflict timeline 2006–2008, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks,  Tyrol5   [Talk]  04:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: It originally was Israel–Gaza conflict casualties 2006–2008 and editor changed it without discussion, even though it mostly is a casualty list. I personally don't know how to change it back. CarolMooreDC 16:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

PA-geo-stub has been nominated for deletion. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 01:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict
I've been working on intermittently and rather busy right now. Editors keep adding "blame the Palestinians for kids' deaths" type info. So definitely could use some help making article NPOV. CarolMooreDC 01:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Category:Palestinian feminists
Why does "Palestinian feminists" appear as a category for Tarab Abu Hadi but doesn't show up when you search "Palestinian feminits"? The same seems to apply to "Palestinian activists". Am I missing something obvious? Padres Hana (talk) 10:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't find an article for Tarab Abu Hadi. Are you sure you got the name right? And what do you mean by "search Arab feminists" (assuming you spelt that correctly when you searched)? If you type something in the search box, it doesn't lead to the category; you need to open the Category as a page. RolandR (talk) 11:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you mean it helps to put "Category:Palestinian feminists" in the search box to get to Category:Palestinian_feminists? CarolMooreDC &#x1f5fd; 16:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes! search under "Categories" is the answer I was looking for. But shame: two typos in one sentence: Abu -> Abdul and feminits. I think I was being casual because I never imagined anyone ever looked at Project Palestine Talk Page. Thanks. Padres Hana (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Jerusalem lead RfC
There is currently a request for comments open about the lead section of the Jerusalem article, and all editors are welcome to give their opinions. The dispute over the lead section is one of the oldest on Wikipedia, dating back to 2003, and focuses on whether or not it is neutral to say that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The discussion was mandated by the Arbitration Committee, and its result will be binding for three years. The discussion is located at Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and will be open until 22 June 2013 (UTC). — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge
Yeah, I went there. I'm proposing a merge of State of Palestine and Palestinian territories. Weigh in at Talk:State of Palestine. --BDD (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Religion articles
Religion in Palestine and Religion in the Palestinian territories were recently deleted; both were redirects that weren't really addressing the topic adequately. I thought this might be a topic you would want to cover. --BDD (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Major problems with Rashidieh
This article is about a refugee camp somewhere in Lebanon. Up until April 2013 the article was a fairly normal if stubby article; at that point a single-purpose account User:Reina91 dumped a large amount of non-encyclopedic and highly biased text, most of which is irrelevant to the article. It looks like someone's high school or college essay on Palestinian refugees in general. I suggest a total reversion to this version: but I think someone more experienced in this area should do it to make sure it's kosher. Benwing (talk) 05:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Article still obviously needs work, but now it's no longer a discussion on the broader subject of Palestinian nationalism in the camps. --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:52, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Unrecognized Bedouin villages in Israel
Some serious NPOV violations going on here. Zerotalk 19:37, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

WB barrier Beit Sahour(Bethlehem).jpg
image:WB barrier Beit Sahour(Bethlehem).jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Now resolved. Zerotalk 07:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Village missed by Khalidi?
I have almost finished working on a map to go with Operation Yiftach and appear to have found a village not mentioned in "All That Remains". It is Rihaniya in Safad district, not to be confused with the village with same name in Haifa district. On the 1946 map it is marked as just south of 'Alma. Morris says it was inhabited by Circassians and surrendered during Operation Hiram. Expulsion of the population was discussed in 1949. My 1977 Carta's Israel Road Guide has it marked (established 1870). Is there any futher information? It is not mentioned in the Hiram article. Does it deserve a page? Padres Hana (talk) 11:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're probably referring to Rehaniya. Khalidi only wrote about depopulated villages. --Al Ameer 16:57, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. I keep getting caught out by the spellings as well as Khalidi not mentioning the villages which survived despite being attacked and attempts made to clear them. I will add Morris' comments to this one. Are Circassians now called Chechens? Padres Hana (talk) 17:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, no they're not. I do think that Chechens often fall into the "Circassian diaspora" category, but I'm not sure if that means they're Circassians. See Circassians in Iraq. --Al Ameer 21:59, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Martial Law
I have been using Martial law as a link from some of the villages in Galilee. Does the military administration post 1967 count as Martial Law? I have added a sentence to the Martial law article but have nothing to back it up with. Can anyone assist? Padres Hana (talk) 09:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The West bank was placed under military administration, ie Martial Law...
 * That was the same in 1949 for all the territories captured by Israel that were not in the partition plan but I don't know when it stopped.
 * Pluto2012 (talk) 18:15, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Military government in the Arab-populated areas within the Green Line lasted formally from 1949 to 1966. RolandR (talk) 18:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

template proposed for deletion
A proposal to delete a template used for depopulated Palestinian villages is being discussed: WP:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_2 Zerotalk 06:26, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Palestinian elections -- content dispute
There's a dispute about which elections to include on this page, and more input on the talk page (Template talk:Palestinian elections) would be very helpful. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Maps
Many of the Israel and Palestine pages don't have maps. They'd help put everything in context I'd think.

For example, could this page have this map added to it? Many of the other regional councils have maps on the hebrew language wiki as well.

Vrcremo (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Request for a Jersualem Portal
This WikiProject and WikiProject Israel should develop a Portal:Jerusalem. I notice the Arabic Wikipedia and other Wikipedias also have Jerusalem portals, so I think this Wikipedia needs one too.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 20:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Zanuta in the West Bank
I found an article on the West Bank village of Zanuta: In which article does this info belong? WhisperToMe (talk) 14:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hass, Amira. "West Bank village inhabited for 3,000 years faces eviction." Haaretz. October 13, 2013.


 * There is an article about the village: Khirbet Zanuta. --IRISZOOM (talk) 05:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Translation from Arabic
Hello,

Could someone translate what is written in Arabic below the David Star on this vehicle ? It is a vehicle that was captured from Syrian troops (ALA) in 1948 :. Many thanks. Pluto2012 (talk) 08:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Village in Ramallah governorate
Could someone please have a look at Al-Mughayyir (Ramallah gov.)? I wanted to move this article to Al-Mughayyir, Ramallah and noticed that there is already an article about a village of this name and in this governorate. I don't know anything about Palestinian geography and I'm not able to verify whether it's the same village (and the two articles should be marged), or maybe a completely different one. —  Ma y ast  ( talk ) 21:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Outch: this is a problem: now we have 2 articles about the same village. There is only one Al-Mughayyir in the Ramallah region, see: http://vprofile.arij.org/ramallah/vdata.php.  We need some clean-up here. Thanks for making us aware! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:25, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Cheers. Huldra (talk) 14:31, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have sort of fixed it. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:52, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Requested move of Price tag policy
I've proposed moving Price tag policy to Price tag attacks. Your input in the discussion would be appreciated. --BDD (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

cfd
See my three CfDs related to Israel/Palestine historical cats at Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 9. trespassers william (talk) 21:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Palestine overhaul and cleanup proposal
I propose to attempt a major cleanup of this project page, removing the out-of-date parts and focusing solely on the "live" pieces which have proved useful to editors over the years. Specifically that means:
 * Removing Template:PALCOTM and WikiProject Palestine/Collaboration (neither have been updated since 2008)✅
 * Moving Notice board for Palestine-related topics (not utilised since 2010) to become an archive on the project talk page✅
 * Removing WikiProject Palestine/Topic as it is not reflective of this project and is not necessary as is well covered at the Portal (where it is more appropriate)✅
 * Remove Archive and delink WikiProject Palestine/Tasks, Portal:Palestine/Opentask and WikiProject Palestine/to do as they are not used, since they have been superseded by the excellent WikiProject Palestine/Assessment/Statistics/Table✅
 * Add in a Palestine version of a popular pages table at WP:POPT
 * Automate the new articles page with a bot✅

Any comments, objections or suggestions please let me know. Oncenawhile (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't have any problem with these proposals - redundant areas shouldn't be retained. Ian Pitchford (talk) 19:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll make a start. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Also what do you think of this as a new picture at the top? File:Banner of Palestine-Portal2.png. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the map of historical Palestine with the PLO/Palestinian flag reminding the extreme point of view of the nationalist claims is welcome. The State of Palestine that is currently recognized as observer is not that one... I would avoid any map.
 * Pluto2012 (talk) 07:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. For the record, this WikiProject is about a combination of the State of Palestine, historical Palestine and the Palestinian people. Don't forget that the "Palestinian people" define themselves as Palestinian by the borders of historical Palestine - so it is not an extreme position but the mainstream identity of Palestinians. Oncenawhile (talk) 07:33, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually sorry I just looked at it again - I agree that having the 1964 flag colours shown within the map of Historical Palestine is more questionable. Oncenawhile (talk) 07:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

All done, except for POPT which I am waiting for to be generated. Hope everyone likes the new streamlined version - hopefully less intimidating for new editors to use now. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Good work ! Pluto2012 (talk) 19:15, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Antisemitism in the Arab world
There are serious issues with this article, especially what pertains to quotes of Palestinians leaders about the Jewish state, that are categorized as "anti-Semitic". Maybe some of these quotes seem anti-Semitic because they are taken out of context, but in context I think that they merely reflect an (arguably) legitimate critique of Jewish privilege in the Jewish state. This could be a bit delicate, so wondering if anybody would like to help to carry some modifications to the page Engelo (talk) 17:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Some examples


 * 1) I really don't think the Dhimmi status is related to Antisemitism
 * 2) There are salient distinctions between European anti-Semitism and the sentiments against Jews in Arab countries, see for example http://pulsemedia.org/2012/07/04/36427/
 * 3) Lots of important scholarship here http://www.amazon.com/Arabs-Holocaust-Arab-Israeli-War-Narratives/dp/0312569203/ref=la_B001JP1BLW_1_2
 * 4) There's a quote from Ahmad Tibi from a very dodgy resource needs to be looked into.

There's tons of problems and this stuff is, I think, important Engelo (talk) 17:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Pageview stats
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Palestine to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at WikiProject Palestine/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the Tool Labs tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 23:21, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Neutral notification of RfC on List of Palestinians allegedly assassinated by the Mossad
Is here: Talk:List_of_Palestinians_allegedly_assassinated_by_the_Mossad.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Nabka Day shootings
Not sure into which article the Nabka Day shootings of Mohammad Abu Thaher and Nadim Nuwara should go. (Couldn't find anything in a Wiki search.) Any thoughts? See Al Jazeera, Middle East Monitory (Middle East Institute). Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 01:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions
Hello all, I am not sure if this is the appropriate place to post for advice about this topic (I have already posted on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration page) and my apologies if it is not, however, here is my issue at hand:

I am troubled by the skewed POV from which the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions page has been mostly comprised--especially the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions section, which seems to be largely presented in a decidedly negative and less-than-thorough light. I have written a portion of text on the Israeli and international Jewish support for the movement in order to counter the inadequacies of the current article and to promote a more even and nuanced representation of support for the movement. This sort of information does not fit into the current country-by-country breakdown of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions because it is international in scope. I think that this is fair cause to add the new section I have compiled, but I would appreciate any feedback and/or comments as to how to go about doing so in a way that will not jeopardize the NPOV of the article. I am happy to post what I have written for editing by fellow members of this group, otherwise I want to make the post live a week from today at this time. Any input would be very helpful. Thanks, Mau Ro (talk) 05:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Help needed at Draft:Palestinian olive trees
Thanks for any help for this new user getting their draft up to publishing standards. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:34, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

AfD: Whole Palestine
Please comment at Articles for deletion/Whole Palestine. Oncenawhile (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

request for participation
I would like to join this project and I guess this is the place to make that request. I am an American woman who is pro-Palestinian and has been for over 40 years. I have a commitment to sourcing the info I present and to listening to my adversaries, too. I like to think I am a person of good will toward (almost) everyone. I have done quite a bit of reading of Wikiproject: Palestine articles, and frankly I haven't contributed anything much yet because I think the articles are not only very good, but also a resource I need to learn from before I make any changes. But I do have a couple of ideas for new articles that I would like to have feedback on and probably help with, too. Am I in? Amity1844 (talk) 17:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Amity1844, and welcome to Wikipedia. To join the WikiProject, all you have to do is add your name here. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Asia may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Expert opinion in Late Ottoman History needed
Hello, there's an ongoing debate concerning moving the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem article to "Sanjak of Jerusalem". Your input can help resolve the debate, thank you. - Elias   Z   06:04, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

article request - is this a good idea?
I guess I have somewhat of a flair for sniffing out controversy... Decades ago in discussions with some pretty militant and savvy Palestinian friends in Beirut, they confirmed my understanding that Palestinians were almost certainly descended in large part from the Jewish population of Roman era Palestine. This knowledge didn't seem to ruffle their feathers a bit; their attitude was "of course, the Palestinians are descended from everyone who ever inhabited Palestine." Flash forward 30 years. In 2009, a joint study by Hebrew University and Hadassah Medical Center, headed by Ariella Oppenheim, confirmed this hypothesis in spades. The study showed that 80% to 85% of Palestinian haplotype groups were identical with that of ancient Jews, whereas only 72% of the modern European Jewish haplotypes was a match for ancient Jews. This discovery led to a television program in Israel that was predictably incendiary with its implications for the Law of Return. I have access to JSTOR and other sources, have searched under Dr. Oppenheim's name, Hadassah Medical Center, Hebrew University, and it is pretty clear that not only has the original research not been translated into English, it is evidently being actively suppressed.

At the risk of upsetting some people, I would like to see a Wikipedia article on this research study, the television program, the reaction in Israel, and the small peace movement it inspired. Here is the ONLY reference to the study I have found in English so far, in someone's blog: http://blog.godreports.com/2011/09/many-surprised-by-genetic-and-cultural-links-between-palestinians-and-jews/

And here are snippets of the television program aired in Israel: Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQBoxvvBEgM Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czneCV7mKUM and another film- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCmUz7Z-9E All are in Hebrew with English subtitles and a little Arabic. Here's one in English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLSaX1CamTA Amity1844 (talk) 20:34, 5 June 2014 (UTC) Questions: 1 - Is this a good idea for an article? I like it largely because it is very clear that Zionists are made acutely uncomfortable by it and its implications for the "Law of Return." I'll admit that I enjoy seeing those opposed to Palestinian nationalism at a loss for words. But is this phenomenon truly encyclopedia worthy? 2 - Can anyone help me? I know nothing about genetics or about the study itself, especially considering it was only published in Hebrew, apparently, and I do not speak Hebrew. Would appreciate knowing if anyone else would like to participate in this.Amity1844 (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome Amity.
 * The two relevant places to start are: Genetic studies on Jews and Palestinian_people.
 * I think an article named Genetic studies on Palestinians could work, which would start by demerging from the section in the Palestinian people article.
 * The question to my mind is whether it might be better to have a combined article called Genetic studies on Jews and Palestinians.
 * Anyway, the best way to learn here is to get going, small and steady, and WP:BEBOLD!
 * Oncenawhile (talk) 20:40, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement. I am going to write this article, or at least start it. I should have a copy of the study pretty soon and will get right on it. Thanks again.152.180.6.2 (talk) 12:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Palestine At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 12:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * All, please see here for a proposed leaflet advertising WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration at wikimania 2014. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

IDF mission titles for articles
I just noticed that many articles about Israeli offensives on Gaza are named by their official IDF titles. That is extremely biased, and they should all be moved to neutral names. FunkMonk (talk) 08:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Should "Israeli–Palestinian conflict" and "Arab-Israeli conflict" be merged?
Please comment at Talk:Israeli–Palestinian_conflict. Oncenawhile (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

UNRWA Reform Initiative
The new article UNRWA Reform Initiative seems to have very serious NPOV problems. Zerotalk 13:12, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

User template wording
I've just asked this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel and thought I'd do similar here.

I have designed a template with the intended text:

This user supports a peaceable Israel XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

with the provisional "XX" text reading: "within an approximation of its 1967 borders."

I've just had a look at the article on the 1948 Palestine war and noted villages evacuated by Jews.

Are there alternate options of wording to consider that would provide a fair return to a 20th cent. or similar situation?

The sister template of the above is:

advice appreciated.

Gregkaye ✍ ♪  20:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "I've just had a look at the article on the 1948 Palestine war and noted villages evacuated by Jews". As the article notes, "The list of villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict includes more than 400 Arab villages. It also includes about ten Jewish villages and neighbourhoods". Which villages are you referring to, and what is the relevance of this statement? RolandR (talk) 00:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Since a lot of Palestinians want back some or all of the land taken from 1948, I don't think a template would fly with them. It would only apply to that percent willing to settle for that. And it would lead to unnecessary squabbling among Palestinians and their supporters. Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 23:34, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Abu Khdeir
There are major problems in the Talk page to article Kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, not the least of which is POV (esp. inclusion of unrelated material). One particular editor seems to be trying to hijack this article, even deciding he can remove material from reliable sources. I would love to engage in a meaningful discussion but it seems almost impossible with him. He is trying to enlist support from an Israeli moderator, so for the sake of balance in the discussion, I think people from more persuasionsshould weigh in as well. Peleio Aquiles (talk) 07:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * As can be seen, this editor copied text in order to deflect attention away from him. It is obvious that Peleio is the one who has hijacked this article. Also obvious is Peleio's extremely broad definition of "reliable source", which includes personal Twitter accounts, self-published blogs, and other unreliable sources that do not even mention the article subject. In addition, I did not try to enlist the support of anyone, but rather I called attention to this difficult situation to an admin, who happens to be British (not "an Israeli moderator"), for guidance. Peleio on the other hand explicitly asked other editors to "weigh in" their POV. --Precision123 (talk) 17:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Distribution of Foundation grant money to national Wikiprojects
Here is a community review of proposals money be distributed to several national wikiprojects. One proposal is $268,000 to Israel. This is the proposal page with a talk page for questions and comments. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 17:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Israel Palestine Collaboration
At WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration, a list has been started cataloguing scholarly works which show both Israeli and Palestinian narratives of the conflict between the two peoples. Hopefully this will be a useful references for editors here. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Free e-books
This site may be of use: Free Ebook on Palestine. It is maintained by the Palestine Review, and claims to provide "the largest online library of free ebooks on Palestine", and has links to what looks like hundreds of e-books. These are of variable quality, from the invaluable poems of Mahmud Darwish and Edward Said's Orientalism to the absurd hoax The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel by the fictitious "Jack Bernstein". There is enough serious material here to keep readers occupied for several weeks! RolandR (talk) 20:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Discussion re splitting of the Susya article
Is taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel, and is also relevant to this WikiProject. Cheers, Number   5  7  21:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Can these lists be made?
Hi. So i was just searching Wiki. And i found that yearly lists of "Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel" are available on Wiki. Like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2001 But there are no such yearly lists of "Palestinians killed by Israeli Security Forces". Should they be created? Should i start work on them? Data can be taken from B'Tselem website (among other places). for example: http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/before-cast-lead/by-date-of-event/wb-gaza/palestinians-killed-by-israeli-security-forces this is the data from 2000-2008. Any help would be much appreciated. Sohebbasharat (talk) 22:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you mean something like List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada or Palestinian casualties of war or any other of the lists ?&#8220;WarKosign&#8221; 07:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes something like the "list of Palestinian civilian casualties in second intifada" but that just includes second intifada. I am thinking more of like a yearly list. Like the yearly Lists of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel; there can also be yearly lists of palestinian civilians killed by israeli security forces.Sohebbasharat (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * List of Israeli assassinations covers civilians as well as militants, and there are specific lists for major events such as intifadas or military operations. Are there casualties that are not covered between these ? &#8220;WarKosign&#8221; 12:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, this List of Israeli assassinations probably covers some of those; but still it is not the "List of Palestinian Civilians killed by Israeli forces" which is what i am talking about. Please also see the B'Tselem link that i mentioned in the first post to see where i am coming from. Thanx.Sohebbasharat (talk) 13:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * B'Tselem's list contains militants as well as civilians. In many cases there is controversy regarding definition of civilian vs militant casualty. &#8220;WarKosign&#8221; 14:04, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * See this link then; http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/before-cast-lead/by-date-of-event scroll down the page; it gives the list according to there participation in hostilities or not. Also it mentions minors and women separately. So, at least they are "civilians". Any how, even if there is a controversy, that IMHO does not preclude the creation of such a list. If there would be any doubts about which cases to add or not, it would be discussed in the respective talk pages. I dont see why we should not even try to create such lists, just because there is some controversy. Just like the "Rocket attacks" pages i have referred to. Its not our place to discuss whether occupied people can resort to violence under international law or not, here on wikipedia. But we can surely try making such lists. Wouldnt you agree? Sohebbasharat (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A talk page discussion is not sufficient to decide whether a person is a militant or a civilian. If there are contradicting sources with some saying that a person is a civilian and some that it's a militant, per WP:NPOV you need to mention both claims when you describe the person. I believe these lists would be redundant, but you can wait to see what other people think, or you can be WP:BOLD and begin working on such a list. Note that it must represent information in a neutral manner. &#8220;WarKosign&#8221; 14:28, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for ur input. I will start such a list in near future (as soon as i find some time :-). Also, i saw u are from Israel, so, "Tuda Raba".Sohebbasharat (talk) 14:38, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Palestine - a featured article?
Is anyone here familiar with the process of getting to WP:FA status? I read Featured article criteria and concluded that the Palestine article, which has just been promoted to GA, may already qualify for FA. Having said that, since I have edited the article in a lot of detail recently, I may just be too close to it to "see the wood from the trees". Any advice would be gratefully appreciated, as I have never tried for WP:FA status before. Oncenawhile (talk) 23:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I've been involved with a few FAs. I agree that Palestine may qualify, with just a little improvement. (As examples of "problems", I see that some names in the "Bibliography" section are linked more than once, Ilan Pappé's name is spelled inconsistently, and some footnotes (28, 29, and 30) are in a different format than the rest.) Typically, editors ask for a WP:Peer review before nominating an article for FA, which helps identify any potential issues. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Malik. I have done as suggested: Peer review/Palestine/archive2. Oncenawhile (talk) 10:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Anyone with access to this book by Bellarmino Bagatti?
I had a discussion with Huldra regarding what is in a book about Beit Kama and al-Jammama. We don't know which statement it was meant to support as it was added along with two other sources that support different statements. The book is named "Ancient Christian Villages of Judaea and the Negev" and was written by Bellarmino Bagatti. This was added. Page 149 to that book is mentioned. Does anyone got access to that book and can look in it? Thanks. --IRISZOOM (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have "Antichi villaggi cristiani della Giudea e del Neghev" which is presumably the Italian original. I don't read Italian, though.  I'll see if I can identify the right place. Zerotalk 01:06, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, the Italian edition (1983) has a few paragraphs on al-Jamama but they don't mention anything post-1948. There is no mention of Beit Kama in the book as far as I can tell.  The newer English edition could be different, but I'd regard this edit as unsafe until proved otherwise. Zerotalk 10:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * A fast and good answer. Somewhat surprising anyone had the book. Thank you. Then we keep what Benny Morris wrote. Walid Khalidi probably wrote something similiar. Perhaps the only thing then the editor added from Bellarmino Bagatti's book was that it was a Palestinian Christian village. Because it was attacked that day and depopulated so it is not far from what the editor added except that it was a Christian village. --IRISZOOM (talk) 11:42, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The English book: not one detail of the diff is supported. Images: pass: nothin49 trespassers william (talk) 20:14, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. As I said, then I think what was taken from the book was that it was an "ancient Christian village" as the title says. --IRISZOOM (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems very similar to the Italian text. Zerotalk 10:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

The 1967 Census on the Levy Economics Institute
Some weeks ago when I was looking on some towns in Sinai and their demographic statistics and then searching on it, I found this very interesting page: The 1967 Census of the West Bank and Gaza Strip: A Digitized Version on the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College. They have digitized the 1967 census taken by Israel in the the occupied territories. Amongst others, it also contains a comparison with the 1961 census in the West Bank taken by Jordan and the Egyptian 1966 estimate for the Gaza Strip. Now that I did some work on Hebron, I took some demographic statistics from it.

I think the page is very valuable and maybe is of interest to someone here. --IRISZOOM (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, I have the 1961 Jordanian census report. Zerotalk 10:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you share it ? It would be interesting to see if the differences are consistent with a 6 year gap. I wonder if organizing two reports so they can be compared and pasting them side-by-side belongs on wikipedia and whether it constitutes OR. &#8220;WarKosign&#8221; 11:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I am not sure if I understand you correct but there is a big difference between the census of 1961 and 1967 because of the 1967 Palestinian exodus. If it was not for this, and the stripping of residency rights, the West Bank and Gaza would have much bigger populations. There were also incentives to make them emigrate. There is much info about decline of the population after 1967 war. Depending on what type of comparision is going to be made, it can be useful to use the data or add population figures for towns etc. --IRISZOOM (talk) 14:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Best title for: Palestinian return to Israel
The west bank and gaza are not classified as israel. How can the title be: Palestinian return to Israel?

I was thinking that Palestinian return might do. In this context I was also wondering whether a move of Category:Immigration to Israel → Category:Immigration to Israel and Palestine might be good. Thoughts? GregKaye 18:50, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The article is mostly concerned with attempts by Palestinians to return from the Palestinian Territories to their homes in Israel proper, so the title seems appropriate. See also Palestinian right of return.&#8220;WarKosign&#8221; 19:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Arab American
This article makes no mention of the large Palestinian community in America. I know nothing about it except that there is one, and that it ought to be mentioned in the article. Someone here might want to take up the challenge. --Ravpapa (talk) 04:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move of Islam and antisemitism
Someone requested to move Islam and antisemitism to Islam and Judeophobia. See Talk:Islam and antisemitism for further details. And kindly register your opinion. -- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 03:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Outline of the Palestinian territories listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Outline of the Palestinian territories to be moved to Outline of the State of Palestine. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 23:04, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add the attack on bus 2094
It is related to palestinians ,and there was never an article in english so no one will have the chance to get a clue to know about it http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%A2%D7%9C_%D7%90%D7%95%D7%98%D7%95%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A1_2094 https://books.google.co.il/books?id=CviXmYN64xQC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=bus+2094+egged&source=bl&ots=KnXoDzK8Cv&sig=DFxXAY_H1cgQqyyEJwD-mBgYfrM&hl=iw&sa=X&ei=Lg5rVYTxJsPWU4vDgbgK&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=bus%202094%20egged&f=false very important thanks --79.181.102.198 (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe this attacks deserves a mention in Palestinian political violence. There doesn't seem to be enough material to warrant a dedicated article. &#8220;WarKosign&#8221; 15:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Jerusalem in Israel?
See WT:WikiProject Israel — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Al-Awda
The usage and primary topic of is under discussion, see talk:The Return (guerrilla organization) -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Arbcom for an official Wiki position on Jerusalem and her location
Even though the United States and International Community have ruled many a time on the position of Jerusalem, Wikipedia sometimes moves a bit slower. In light of today's Supreme Court decision, I feel like now more than ever there should be an officially arbitrated position as to the location of Jerusalem, somewhere along the lines of US/International opinion--though that'd be up to WIki to decide.

How would I go about getting this process started?

Solntsa90 (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, the US Supreme Court did not rule on the status of Jerusalem, and expressed no opinion in the matter. The court ruled that Congress has no authority to legislate matters of foreign policy that fall within the purview of the executive branch. --Ravpapa (talk) 04:24, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Page move
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 06:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Another page move
Please see this page -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:22, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

"Palestine"
The usage and primary topic of is under discussion, see talk:Palestine (disambiguation) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:16, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

RFC
An RFC related to the Quds Day is opened here. Mhhossein (talk) 10:19, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC on Palestine
Open to opinions; see Talk:Palestine -- Kendrick7talk 03:48, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Map of early Ottoman Palestine
Does anyone know where we could find a map of Palestine from the early Ottoman era that shows the sanjaks of Safad, Lajjun, Nablus, Jerusalem and Gaza? Prior to 1660, they were all administratively part of the Damascus Eyalet and after 1660, the Sanjak of Safad became part of the Sidon Eyalet. I've seen the map a few times before, but can't for the life of me remember where. I want to have a map created to use in a number of articles related to the subject, but would like to have a reference point for district and provincial boundaries instead of depending on my own educated guesses. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Palestine-Israel articles 3 arbitration case phases extended
Greetings:

This WikiProject may be interested that, in the pending Palestine-Israel articles 3 arbitration case, the evidence phase has been extended until 15 September 2015, the workshop phase has been extended to 28 September 2015, and the proposed decision due date has been extended to 2 October 2015. Comments on this are welcome at the case talk page. Thank you. L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 11:32, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

RFC Palestine articles restructuring proposal
See RFC at Talk:State_of_Palestine.

Oncenawhile (talk) 21:00, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Sur Baher
Since Debresser has give notice about the Sur Baher-article on WikiProject Israel here (without  bothering to notify WikiProject Palestine, also), I though I would do so... There are several issues being discussed at Talk:Sur Baher, Huldra (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2015 (UTC)