Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Paranormal/Archive 2

Challenges

 * Healing abilities of Joel Goldsmith verified by his many clients in Philadelphia? StarHeart 10:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Healing abilities of Olga Worrall documented by research @ UCLA? StarHeart 10:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * How was Emmanuel Swedenborg able to "see" the fire in Stockholm while he was in Gotesborg? StarHeart 22:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * From his dreams, how did Abraham Lincoln know that he would soon be killed? StarHeart 22:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Why did Baha'u'llah, founder of the Baha'i Faith, cancel his trip on the passengership Lusitania? StarHeart 22:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Why did Bridey Murphy speak a foreign language when she was in a fever, but she never studied that language during her current incarnation prior to getting sick? StarHeart 22:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Swedenborg - I don't know, maybe the reporting back then was a bit lax (even Kant, who wanted very much to believe these things had to accede that two of three "supernatural incidents" he investigated were nothing but tales). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, this is a bit old and un-cited...


 * Lincoln - How is this remarkable? He was hated by about half the nation and had been the target of many assasination plots, so he dreamed about it. He even said himself he did not believe the dream was about himself being assasinated.


 * Baha'u'llah - He cancelled a ticket, so what?


 * Murphy - was an Irishwoman whom "Virginia Tighe" thought or at least claimed she channeled from old Ireland, in fact, she was a childhood neighbour. See [].


 * I am getting a bit concerned about what the goal of this project is, reporting these beliefs or rehearsing them.... And what is the point of this section? It sounds suspiciously like you are trying to prove that some paranormal phenomenon are "real"; I would like to ask the participants about their view on the paranormal and how they plan to report on it. Lundse 16:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Lundse - I am skeptic, I have heard of no peer-reviewed nor reproducable experiments on paranormal phenomenon. On the contrary, there is still over 1,000,000$ up for anyone who can show any psychic, occult or otherwordly effects - no takers. I believe articles on the paranormal should be neutral, telling accurately what adherents believe and why - and why mainstream science (ie. applied common sense) does not buy into the phenomenon. Attempts to prove such phenomena should be reported, along with any methodological problems with these proofs.

That's a lie. The "Amazing Randi" is a fraud. If you bother to listen to him or read him closely, you'll learn that Randi has NO intention of allowing ANY objective third party to monitor any "research" that Randi pretends to conduct to validate anyone's claim regarding the paranormal. (I doubt that Randi even has $100K in the bank for any reason.) You're NOT a sceptic, you're a debunker. As the Amazing Randi, you have no intention of permitting honest inquiry. Leave us alone and get a life. StarHeart 22:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I know you do not want to face up to the fact about Randi, but until you actually check out the legal documents and try checking the ways in which one can actually ascertain that the money is there, please don't call anyone a liar. There are ways to check whether Randi is lying, and noone has ever shown such evidence (they have just, like you, called him a liar). And he does not conduct research nor has he ever claimed to do so - his errand is another. I am all for honest enquiry, but I may not agree with you on what that enquiry shows or how it should be conducted. Please stop resorting to name-calling like "get a life". I will watch this project, and I would still like to know how you (and others) want to report on the paranormal. Lundse 13:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved my "wish to see discussion into a section on itself, see above. Lundse 15:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

If you bothered to actually study the issue, you would know that it's NOT about Randi having the $$ or not, it's about the fact that Randi has NO intention of having ANY 3rd party to monitor ANY experiment regarding the paranormal. He wants to COMPLETELY control and monitor ANY experiment. What science credentials does Randi have? StarHeart 05:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved here from NEWS! on project page
The challenges I listed were a good place to start being material for this topic. But apparently, some waste of space (a gremlin?) has self-assigned their meaningless self to sabotage our efforts and deleted my contributions. I assume it's their way of fabricating potent into their life. StarHeart 02:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you talkin' about me? I didn't do nothing to you! ~VNinja~ 16:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Why did you delete my comment? I am trying to help this project, having gotten involved with the astrology articles lately - I realize you may not agree with me, but that should be a reason to address our differences, not censor me out of the project. I would still very much like to know the opinions of other people involved, with regards to how paranormal phenomenon should be reported. Lundse 07:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Because your comments are NOT contributions. You're a debunker, not a sceptic. You're sabotaging the efforts of those with integrity who HAVE studied the topics of Astrology and the Paranormal. It's obvious your sole source of reference is the devious "Amazing Randi." Why don't you get a life and stick to the topics you actually have studied. News flash: not all opinions are facts, not even yours. Knowledge are opinions based upon experience. You have yet to reveal having ANY experience regarding Astrology or the Paranormal. There's more to life than books. The best books are based on EXPERIENCE. If you ever left your library you might learn that. StarHeart 05:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The only reason I deleted your comment was 'cause I posted new news, and since your comment came with the old news, it goes with the old news, so basicly, every time I post new news, I delete all the other comments. ~VNinja~ 16:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge Projects
I noticed that your Wikiproject has not gained much publicity and I wonder if you would like to merge my Wikiproject with yours? Wikiproject Paranormal Mahogany -wanna chat?
 * That sounds like a pretty good idea, if you ask me. It's an extrememly similar project, and one that already has a userbase. --InShaneee 15:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * O.k. someone start asking the users if they want to switch projects it shouldn't be too hard Mahogany -wanna chat?


 * I've contacted all members I could see in participant section Mahogany -wanna chat?

Heh, always thinking that I'll agree to your merge proposal, well, lucky for you, I do! So let's start discussing on how to do this. ~VNinja~ 03:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC) u
 * Well I can merge yours into mine and then we can still use your templates, we can use your collabaration of the week. If you don't mind I will begin now. Mahogany -wanna chat?

Good idea, but let's vote on a new name so it an be a whole new wikiproject, not just two similar ones sharing one name, I think Wikiproject unknown would be a good new name. ~VNinja~ 15:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

A suggestion and a comment
Hi, I just joined up here and wanted to offer a suggestion. Template:Monster-stub seems..well, the name seems a little odd to me. Do any of you think that perhaps changing it to a cryptid stub might be more appropriate? Also, I came across your Paranormal accounts page, and it's not really very appropriate for an encyclopedia, even as a subpage of a wikiproject. You might want to consider moving the information there to Parawiki, and leaving a soft redirect to it in its place. --InShaneee 21:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You might be right on that. I was thinking Cryptozoology-stub (or crp-stub for short).  I wasn't aware of that wiki.  Sounds interesting. ---J.Smith 21:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Either one sounds good. Yeah, Parawiki is part of Wikia, a sister project to Wikipedia whereupon smaller, more focused wikis can be created with standards that are far more open than those of Wikipedia. For example, where the material in the subpage in question is generally frowned upon here, at Parawiki it would most likely be welcomed with open arms. :) --InShaneee 22:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * sorry for responding snidely. ---J.Smith 00:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries, I didn't think you came off like that at all. :) Anyway, it should be decided before too long what you guys want done with that subpage. --InShaneee 01:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I actualy put that in the wrong spot. lol ---J.Smith 02:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Some of the testimonials may lead to physical evidence, such as burn marks in UFO cases, foot prints in the case of Bigfoot, EVP and other physical evidence in case of a ghost, demon, angel encounter. Martial Law 06:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC) :)

While that may be true, please see Verifiability. I don't believe that anything in there will be able to pass that standard, unfortunatly. --InShaneee 14:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think InShanee is absolutly right. It would be sort of cool if wikipedia was a bit flexable in letting that kind of thing hang out. I could see some admin/user speedying it without any word. Would it be ok in Martial's user space? ---J.Smith 06:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Perfectly. Any if it would be cluttering his main userpage, he could always create a subpage (ie, userpage/subpage) for it. :) --InShaneee 16:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * ML, do you know how to move a page into your user space?
 * (If not, it should be fairly well explained in the 'move' tab at the top) --InShaneee 19:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks but if you noticed this project just merged with another group and we are still fixing these leftover templates. Mahogany -wanna chat?
 * I'd be willing to take care of it for you, if it'd be easier, you'd just need to tell me the location where you'd like it. Sorry to be so insistent, this is just one of those "the sooner, the better" situations. --InShaneee 15:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well just have the location something like Wikiproject Paranormal. Something else to work on we have had several requests for UFO and Angel related stubs Mahogany -wanna chat?
 * Just move it to User:Martial Law/whatever and if it's a problem we can fix it then. ---J.Smith 16:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You'll realize to move a page you don't cut, copy and paste there is a button at the top of history on a page that says move you click on it and you can change the name without losing valuable info. Plus use subpages on this page it's fine and dandy that ML said we could but it would be much easier stored on this page!! Mahogany -wanna chat? (Don't take my comment as an insult to your intelligence I just thought you'll should know being I learned the hard way)
 * I'm well aware of how to move a page, but it really can't stay as a subpage here, unfortunatly. I'll wait another day (in case anyone has anything else to say on the matter), then I'll go ahead and move it. --InShaneee 16:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm lost so are you moving templates? Mahogany -wanna chat? (like I said I'm not trying to say you're stupid I was just throwing that out so everyone would know)

No, sorry, this was two different discussion. I'm just going to be moving Wikiproject Paranormal/Paranormal Stories. --InShaneee 17:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we confused Mahogany :) ---J.Smith 18:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah well. I probably should have put the two seperate concerns in two seperate threads. However, about the template...does anyone else like the idea of a Cryptozoology template instead of a Monster template? --InShaneee 18:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Depends on what it is going to be used for - if for bigfoot, loch ness and similar go ahead. But if werevolves, vampire et al are going to be included, it lends some sort of scientific credence to what is more properly called mythology. So if we are going to seperate along such boundaries, go ahead; else, stick to monster (which is in the English language used rather arbitrarily for both mythological beasts, dangerous/evil entities and (in the certain types of journalism at least) for unexplained, hypothetical animals. Lundse 18:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That thought did occur to me, but since we do also have a Mythology template, I figured we'd still be covered. --InShaneee 18:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No longer confused, I like the idea of a Cryptozoology template being it is much more professional Mahogany -wanna chat?
 * Alright, I went ahead and moved the paranormal accounts page to User:Martial Law/Paranormal accounts. Now, anyone want to take a crack at that template? :) --InShaneee 19:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've found a cryptozoology template but don't want to work on these new templates maybe tommorow Mahogany -wanna chat?

Need
Need templates for UFO and Alien (extraterrestrial) w/ pixes. Martial Law 06:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC) :)


 * Also need some for angel as well. People are reporting encounters with angels as well.Martial Law 06:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC) :)
 * What kind of template? A stub template?  Or a "This user has seen ____" or what? Let me know and I can pop one out. ---J.Smith 06:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Need one with a Grey alien for alien related articles, such as Alien implants, one, a UFO template, with a flying saucer, for UFO related articles, such as the Flying triangle article,
 * So you mean a navigation toolbar? ---J.Smith 16:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

need one with a pix of a angel for angel related articles, such as the Angel article itself. Martial Law 04:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC) :)
 * We need lots of things right now we're working off merged templates that need to be fixed for many reasons. So that should be a major thing being worked on Mahogany -wanna chat?

I realy wanna help out here... but I have no idea what it is you want to have made. ---J.S (t|c) 16:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * A pix of a Grey alien for alien articles, a pix of a flying saucer for UFO articles, a pix of a XM-25 for paranormal articles in which weapons were used, like the UFO Incident at Hopkinsville,TN., a pix of a Demon for demon related articles, a pix of a angel for angel related articles. these are for the appropriate templates. Martial Law 06:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC) :)

So you realy just want images then? I can't realy help you there chief. ---J.S (t|c) 07:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll look for some pix Mahoga ny

Numerous stub templates
I notice that this wikiproject has created quite a few stub templates, several of which are lacking categories (and as far as I know, none of which have been proposed. Wouldn't it perhaps be a better idea to have a single paranormal-stub template, which by definition would have the right scope for your project, and avoid excessive fragmentation?  Fine-grained categorisation you can still do via the "real" category system.  Alai 00:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea, I support it. If this cat ever got too large, we could always start breaking off there. --InShaneee 01:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no problem there, we have so much crap from that old Wikiproject Supernatural/whatever that needs to be deleted Mahoga ny