Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pinball/Archive 1

Comment
Twilightofmymind 03:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Is working on getting photos of the machines that are used at Pro Am Pinball Assossiation

Pinball 2000
Articles_for_creation/2007-07-20 needs creation. Alan Liefting 05:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

IPDB template
I'm not a member of this project and I don't really want to be (I don't really know much about pinball), but I have noticed that a lot of pinball articles link to the Internet Pinball Database. This being the case, have you considered creating a template for it? It'd give a consistent look to the extern links in your articles and would generally be easier to use. For example, we have templates to link to the Internet Movie Database and MobyGames. Just a thought. &mdash; Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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Sega Pinball
I added a short section in the main Sega article about their later pinball machines, I have next to no info on their 1970s stuff so I barely mentioned it. I also made a list of Sega pinball machines based off of stuff at the IPDB and system16.com. If anyone has any more info please flesh these things out with it.Lando242 (talk) 17:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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Pinside and Pinpedia links
To me, neither one of them seems to add much to the articles. Pinside articles are mostly auto-generated and Pinpedia seems to mostly wirror Wikipedia. Thoughts? - Richfife (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been linking to Pinpedia because the pages there contain at least one important bit of information that can't be found anywhere else: recent auction results. I suppose I could go either way on this if enough people thought it was sperfluous, but this is a very common question when it comes to machines, so I personally lean towards keeping it.  Thanks, Fractalchez (talk) 18:23, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Star Trek (1979 pinball) has been nominated for deletion.
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Star Trek (1979 pinball) has been nominated for deletion. You may want to participate in the discussion located at Articles for deletion/Star Trek (1979 pinball).

Thank you. SashaNein (talk) 16:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

How to keep this WikiProject active?
I'm at a loss, and am looking for ideas. I've been trying to keep this WikiProject active, but I admit that my own time has been extremely limited, so I'm not in the best position to be talking about how to get more time out of others.

Still, as popular as pinball we are having a hard time attracting editors to this project to create the necessary level of cooperation to keep this project going. I'm open to suggestions, and until such time as we get some good ones, I don't want to remove the "inactive" tag, as that seems disrespectful to Wikipedia's procedures. Thanks, Fractalchez (talk) 19:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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Gottlieb Pinball Classics
Hello. I need some assistance in watching this article please. An IP editor is insisting his unsourced edits are fact and directed me not to revert, but since I see no sourcing for what they are inputting, I have. ArcAngel (talk) 02:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Video games cleanup
WikiProject Video games is looking to clean up both inactive and limited-scope WikiProjects dealing with video games and move these into task forces of WikiProject Video games, as outlined at WikiProject Video games/Inactive project cleanup. This message is being posted to this project to first see if this project is currently active, and if there is consensus to move this project into a task force. We ask that if this project is still active, that you determine as a project if this project should remain separate from WikiProject Video games, and let us know your intentions. Please let us know within the month; those projects that do not respond within that time will be assumed to be inactive and will be cleaned up automatically. This is not a mandatory process; we will not attempt to do anything to your project if there is no consensus or consensus against moving it. However, we do urge you to consider if your project needs to remain separate from WikiProject Video games. Please let us know if you have any questions on this. —   Levi van Tine  ( t  –  c )   07:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I question whether the VG project would be a good umbrella for this. Pinball is quite distinct from video games. But they've long been associated with them and several well-known manufacturers became video game publishers/developers. Even Atari had a pinball division for a number of years. I guess I'm on the fence, but would certainly not oppose if the members here wanted to become a VG task force. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC))
 * If this is taskforceified (which I strongly recommend) it should be under WP:GAMES not WP:CVG, which is a sister project not a parent one. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 21:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge with WP:VG
WikiProject Video games is still looking to clean up both inactive and limited-scope WikiProjects dealing with video games and move these into task forces of WikiProject Video games, as outlined at WikiProject Video games/Inactive project cleanup. This message is being posted to this project to first see if this project is currently active, but as it seems that it is not, whether there is a objection to merging this project with the Arcade task force of WP:VG. We ask that if this project is still active, that you determine as a project if this project should remain separate from WikiProject Video games, and let us know your intentions. Please let us know within the month; lack of a response within that time will result is the assumption that this project is inactive and will be merged automatically. This is not a mandatory process; we will not attempt to do anything to your project if there is no consensus or consensus against merging it. However, we do urge you to consider if your project needs to remain separate from WikiProject Video games. Please let us know if you have any questions on this. MrKIA11 (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This was already objected to above, and WP:VG folks have honestly made quite a mess in the PB articles, by applying all sorts of inappropriate VG tags and categories and stubsortings and so on. I've posted a long and detailed message at WT:VG on how to clean up the debacle, but am not willing to do any further cleanup work on it myself, since neither PB nor VGs are even interests of mine. If this project gets taskforcified (which arguably it should) it would be to WP:GAMES, not WP:VG.  However, it seems clear that the only people actually and actively interested in this project's articles are a few VG editors who focus on arcade games. So, those few people should come here, clean up the mess, and then merge this to WP:GAMES as a task force they will actually keep functional, even if the also work on the developmentally related but distinct topic area of arcade video games. —  SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 07:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

KISS Pinball
Hello! I have just created KISS Pinball could someone please evaluate it with the appropriate project templates? Thanks! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 02:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly honest, that is not a proper Wikipedia article at all, but a cross between a disambiguation page that doesn't actually link out to anything, and a bunch of merged but really entirely unrelated article stubs. It should be split into several stub-tagged short articles. —  SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 07:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

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Pinball articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Taskforce of WP:GAMES?
There was a suggestion to make this WikiProject a taskforce of WP:GAMES. I am not sure that this is a good idea, but I'm only approaching this for the first time now and am in the process of looking further into it, so I don't have a hard opinion right now. My initial instinct is that it might be better served as a child project (which now looking at it, it already is... can you tell it's been a while since I've worked on this?), but either way until we reach a consensus it seems appropriate to move this to the discussion page. Would like to get some viewpoints on this. Thanks, Fractalchez (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Keeping this project active
I haven't removed the semi-active tag for some time because I haven't been able to guarantee that even I could keep up enough to justify its removal. I believe that I can now. However, I would like to request assistance to make this easier.

I will pledge to perform at least one edit a day, however, minor, just to make sure that this project stays active. I will keep to this pledge as best as I can, and will put notice up if I cannot. What I would like to request, is for others to pledge to take one day of the week to do the same, until we have 7 people each pledged to take one day of the week to make one Project-relevant edit.

Ready to get this project back up and running again. Thanks, Fractalchez (talk) 20:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess I need to confess that I have not entirely been able to keep to my original pledge. But I've been trying, and much work has been done.


 * For those who have not seen, there is an Article for deletion discussion currently concluding for CSI (pinball). It looks like the consensus is going to wind up being a weak keep, but it's one that will come with a condition: we need to develop a set of pinball article criteria, primarily concerning two areas: notability and reliable sources.  Truth is, though, this is a major project area I wanted to work on anyway, so this will just push us to finally get to it.


 * Once this AfD is done, I would like to get some assistance in coming up with these guidelines. We of course will need participants from this project, but we'll also need some from some other similar projects so that we can call on their experience.  I'll update here once the AfD is completed, and maybe we can go from there.  Thanks, Fractalchez (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month for December 2011: Pachinko
The article Pachinko, a close relative of pinball, badly needs work, especially sourcing. Since it is based on the ja.wiki version of the article, and most of the sources will be in Japanese, it could obviously use some help from someone who knows the language. Basically, the article has a lot of information, but virtually none of it is sourced. It has some suspect "information" in it (I removed most of the blatant WP:NOR and WP:NOT violations), and it is also missing historical information prior to around 1920. This 1800s and earlier stuff will be relevant for the history of pinball and its relation to billard Japonais, etc. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 09:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Vitigraph
Can someone tell me, what exactly is a Vitigraph? I read it in some pinball related article such as Victory_(pinball) but there is no entry for it at: Glossary of pinball terms. --Fluffystar (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Checkpoint (pinball)


The article Checkpoint (pinball) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * tagged for no citations at all since 2010. That's long enough. Despite searching, I can find no significant coverage in independent reliable sources

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 * Thank you for the information. I will update the article soon. Please inform me next time in advance before putting an article up for deletion. Thanks. --Fluffystar (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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Reliable sources
Is there a running list of pinball-related reliable sources somewhere? The links on the WikiProject page appear to be antiquated because we don't accept primary sources and user-submitted forums as sources in our articles  czar  17:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * At least most books listed here should be a reliable source. --Tochni (talk) 17:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

About a certain machine
I was watching (Dutch) TV this morning and saw a pinball machine by Williams called (I believe) Student Prince. It's not listed on Wikipedia and I wanted to know if there's anybody out there who could tell me more. It was a machine from the 50s or 60s because it still had those little bells for sound effects and mechanical a score card. How old is this machine, how many were made..? Anybody?  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  11:32, 13 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Here you find information about it: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2408 --Tochni (talk) 11:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm bounded by a white-list and can't click the link... I know that's my problem, not yours, but still... Sorry man...  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  11:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The game is from 1968 and 3,502 units were made. It was inspired by the operetta The Student Prince. --Tochni (talk) 12:13, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Allright! Thanx man! My personal problem with the TV show this morning was that it was a kids program where children are allowed to totally take apart a big electronic or mechanical device. This episode it was the pinball machine mentioned above!!! Such a waste... 3.502 units is pretty rare, especially when this thing is that old. But once again, thank you very much for the provided information.  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  12:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Video Games and Pinball Machines discussiom
Hi Pinball Wikiproject. There is currently a conversation on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games that may concern you.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:16, 19 April 2018 (UTC)  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 20:16, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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If anyone's still around
Hi there. I'm not too familiar with pinball machines, but an editor recently created their first article, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball. It seems like a promising article, but only if enough sources can be found to attest to its notability. I've tried Google Books, Google Scholar, Google News, and the Internet Archive, and I just can't find anything. If it's not notable to warrant its own article, then so be it, but I wanted to check here to see what the experts think.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  05:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * You would have to source it the same way you would an old arcade game or maybe an old record album. You aren't going to find much about it from scholarly sources. You will have to dig up entries in trade publications and such. I found an announcement of the game in Cashbox for February 23rd, 1991, and added it to the article. Lando242 (talk) 18:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

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