Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Piracy/Archive 3

New member
I just decided to join this great project as a member. And I made an article about the known Teuto-Dutch (Frisian) pirate Wijard Gerlofs Donia. I hope someone can help me with the article, and has some ideas of articles I might create. Thanks indvanche, your newest member:

-The Bold Guy- (talk) 17:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Welcome! As you will soon find this isn't the most active WikiProject. Things you could do are Expand Articles, create wanted articles, and eliminate red links from List of pirates. Your article looks good so far. There is a pirate stub you know (pirate-stub). If you have any questions feel free to ask me or here.  Def lag ro   C/T 21:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind advice, Deflagro! I shall see what I can do! ;) -The Bold Guy- (talk) 15:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Work I've been doing recently
I've been working recently on a few articles - John Bowen and Nathaniel North primarily but some general cleanup and trying to eliminate redlinks from List of pirates. Was just wondering if I could get some feedback on the kind of thing I'm writing as I'm not altogether sure if this is okay for wikipedia.

Would appreciate comments and help !

shas (talk) 22:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My only advice would be to try and split it up more. Right now it's more of one continuous string. You can do this by adding headers and breaking it into section so it's easier to find information. Some ideas Background, Pirate Career, Death. And any other things.  Def lag ro   C/T 16:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll give that a shot. My only concern was trying to avoid sections which are unpopulated (Roche Braziliano suffers from this) but I'll try my best.


 * thanks,


 * shas (talk) 17:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is one of the problems of that article. But It looks like you have enough information to create some. Otherwise the articles look pretty good!  Def lag ro   C/T 17:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Another small note. Articles don't have to include (pirate) in their titles. That's only needed when there are more than one person with that name.  Def lag ro   C/T 17:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've had a first shot at putting in some breaks over in John Bowen. I've extended the lead and am going hunting for a reference for that total wealth taken thing. Also, is the "wealth" field in the infobox his wealth at retiring (ie; his share of plunder) or the total taken during his career?
 * Thanks again, shas (talk) 17:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll do that in future.. the article on North I created with (pirate) and a redirect on just Nathaniel North was so that in the future any articles on another Nathaniel North can be more easily slotted into a disambig page shas (talk) 17:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done about as much as I can think of on John Bowen.. comments most appreciated. shas (talk) 19:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Archive 1
Just to let everyone know, I am moving /Archive1 to /Archive 1 so that it will work with the archive-nav template. Thanks!  Def lag ro  C/T 22:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay..
The stupidly large task that is converting the list of pirates into a new proposed format is getting me down, so I need something else to do for a bit. Preferably pirate related, as that's pretty much all I've done any research into recently. Can I be bold and start looking at February's portal? (I have very little/no idea as to what to do, but I had an idea for the picture - the image in Pierre Le Grand is pretty striking (I'd do a thumbnail but I don't know how to..)

Also, was just wondering if there's any way we can capitalise on Stede Bonnet being today's featured article and getting some new blood in here? that would be nice. : )

shasYarr!/T 00:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

New Article
Hi! I wrote the “John Coxon” article today and I was wondering when I might get an assessment for it. I also was wondering – I’m doing a great deal of research on piracy, so if anyone has any sources for John Coxon/Coxen, would you please be sure to let me know? Thank you so much! BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 23:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello! Good to see another person around these waters. I glanced at your article earlier when I saw you'd added it but I'll go back and reread it (adding one template to around 70 pages tends to dull the memory..!). From a quick google search I've found these links that may be helpful to you. Quite a bit of the information is similar, but there are odd differences that can help expand articles - at least, I found that to be the case when I was working on the John Bowen article.
 * Okay.. links are as follows:, , , (skip down the page for his entry) and  (again skip down as he is only mentioned in passing).
 * Hope some of that stuff is helpful to you, shasYarr!/T 23:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My goodness, thank you so much! I'm really low on time at the moment, so I couldn't look on the internet. I seriously thank you over-and-over-again ;D Thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks!!!! BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 23:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Some thoughts on the John Coxon article.. Looking pretty good so far. It's my opinion - and please note, I'm fond of big blocks of text - that there are perhaps a few too many section breaks. Sections like his disappearance are good, but subdividing his career too greatly may affect readability. Just a personal thing though. I'll add others here as they come to me. Do you have any objections if I have a look at some of those links I put up earlier and see if there's anything to add? shasYarr!/T 00:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem :D BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 00:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey there! I'd have to agree with Shas on the sections. Their a little too small. Maybe combining some to flesh them out. Also one thing I have learned from Wikipedia is that Gosse is usually not correct in the Pirate's Who's Who. It's okay to use that since a lot of the storys about pirates come from there, but you might not want to rely on him so much. I also cleaned up the inline citations. Just to let you know, if you have a book in the inline citations, it doesn't need to be in the Reference section (so I removed that for you). Looks good though!  Def lag ro   C/T 22:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That was my fault, I stuck the book in there last night! shasYarr!/T 22:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's great. Thanks for letting me know, I was under the impression that Gosse knew his pirates ;D I'll be going to the library this weekend, so I'll check out a few books regarding Coxon and edit it. Also, in accordance with the small section issue, I was worried about that as well. No worries, we'll get enough information to cover the currently small topics. In addition, the Pirate King site also gave said information that Gosse did, both of which are two different sources. But I will definently check other sources to see if there are any differences. Thanks for helping out! BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 21:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. meant to post a link about Gosse. Talk:John Quelch (pirate) That's where I first learned about it.  Def lag ro   C/T 22:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that works great. I shall now say I profoundly concur with you. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 20:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

List of pirates
I've been bold and updated as much as Deflagro and I have done on the overhaul so far. There's still the english sea dogs section to convert and about half of the corsairs bit needs comments, years active. I'd appreciate any and all help from anyone still alive on here shasYarr!/T 23:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added all the information into the page in the new format. Am in the process of removing the flags (looks messy, doesn't necessarily match up with the countries of the time) and then adding comments and updating the occurence of wikilinks so only the first appearance gets linked. Help would be great. shasYarr!/T 20:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be glad to help :D BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 21:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hurrah! What I've been doing much of the time to make the comments is to copy the first line of the lead into the comments field. Or sometimes I do a brief rehash of the article. shasYarr!/T 21:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I mentioned this on your talk page, Shas. But can we add back in the Flagicons? I find it helpful because then I can skim the list if I am looking for people of specific nationality. Also about the comments, I usually would skim the article and find their most famous act or something describing what they did.  Def lag ro   C/T 03:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, to both of those points. I removed the flagicons because I had concerns regarding the flags not correctly representing the country that the person was born in - would we consider those born in pre-War of Independence America English, or American? We could take a look at them more closely and try and put in an appropriate flag I guess. That would probably be good : ). Comments - yes, that's a good point. I'll try and skim the article from now on, rather than just doing a quick copy paste job. shasYarr!/T 13:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also; User:Buster germanson has added Roberto Cofresi to the {pirates} template.. he could probably make a case for his inclusion, but I'm not sure what to do regarding that. shasYarr!/T 01:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had seen that. I didn't even notice you replied even though I was at this page. (was updating the Portal) I had looked at the Roberto Cofresí article and I figured we might as well leave it. The article claims him to be the most famous pirate in Puerto Rico. Quick Google search turns up those same results. Oooh. Just saw List of pirates. Those pictures were a great idea!  Def lag ro   C/T 02:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They certainly make the page more interesting, I found it quite a lot easier to read with the pictures. There's still an awful lot of redlinks to fill, particularly in the Sea Dogs/Buccaneers sections, but we can get to those in due time probably. I'm a little worried that we're now at 47kb - I'm working under the assumption that the maximum recommended size is 50kb - and this doesn't leave an awful lot of scope for future developments. Something to ponder, perhaps. shasYarr!/T 02:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well there have always been red links in the list, and probably always will be. Some are hard to find. Most just have a few sentences on them. It's more of, when you come across a pirate, make sure there's an article on them.  Def lag ro   C/T 22:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought the flags were actually quite helpful, mates. Really, I do. I don't see why they can't be up, unless they look all screwed on people's screens. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 01:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem Shas realised was what about countries before they are the modern day one. That is, what about colonial America, or Hellenic Greece? I think we can add them in for some of Medievel and afterwards. Also I moved the posts around to fit the topics.  Def lag ro   C/T 02:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I just saw this, and now I get it. Alright, maybe a note could've been added in? Well, what's done is done, and though it could be reverted, it's fine :) BlackPearl14 Hermione Granger's Muggle Alias 02:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Pirate Barnstar?
Do we have one? If not, would it be worth either making one in-Project or seeing if an art guy would be willing to make us one? Is ther e any need and/or demand for one? shasYarr!/T 18:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What's a barnstar? Sorry, I'm a bit lost, but if it's related to Graphics, I can definently do it. And if it's writing an article, then no problem. :) BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 18:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:BARN shasYarr!/T 22:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, piracy isn't the most populated corner of the wiki. Seeing how we got about three members active. (which is quite surprising because I was all alone a couple weeks ago. Anyway, I don't see much need for a piracy barnstar as all awards could be covered with the normal ones. If you want to though, have fun.  Def lag ro   C/T 01:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Was just an odd idea I had ; ) too much editing of the pirate list for me today, perhaps? shasYarr!/T 01:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe :D BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 02:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Reviving an old discussion.... I had a random thought a few days ago for a barnstar for this project, so I went looking for the project. I'm not a graphic artist, so here's my design in text: On a black field, a barnstar over crossed cutlasses, all of white.  (I am uncertain whether to use the standard flag ratio of 2:3, the British flag's ratio of 1:2, or the theatrical widescreen ratio of 9:16.) A More Perfect Onion (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Members
Are we still the only three active members (as in you, shas, Deflagro, and myself)? In addition, are there any articles that needed "up-ing?" Just a couple of thoughts, it's starting to dwindle here. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess01:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: Sam the Spartan has joined our project. But is that all? BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 02:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well before you two came it was still extremely quiet. Most people sign the list and then don't do anything (which is fine, it shows we have people interested in it). If you want to look at articles. Category:WikiProject_Piracy_articles is all the articles that have the WP's banner on it. You can go through and rate the articles by importance and quality, or go to low-ranking importance/quality and work on improving those. Just some thoughts.  Def lag ro   C/T 15:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do...it's still quite silent, unfortunately. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 00:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My activity has been low recently, despite now having access to a whole bunch of pirate books. I'll.. try and do some more work, but no promises. shasYarr!/T 10:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm around but not done any piratey work recently. I do have an article in mind to work on, but it'll probably be a few days.  My talk page is always open if anyone wants to poke me to help out with copyediting an article they've created, etc (or even if there's any admin tasks relating to the needs of the project), and I have full access to the premium Encyclopedia Britannica if anyone needs any additional sources. Neıl  ☎  12:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 23:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Penance
As a penance for being so lame recently and not doing anything for the project, I've prepared the Portal's selected picture, quote, biography and article for March to give Deflagro a rest. Hope they're okay. Yarrr. Neıl ☎  12:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! I've been dreading having to make them. The supply quotes have been running low lately and takes me a while to find. Thanks!  Def lag ro   C/T 21:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's really nice of you! Obviously Deflagro's quite happy - I'm happy with the look of it!  BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 23:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good! Thanks!  Def lag ro   C/T 23:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Piracy
Hey everyone. I've been thinking about the Portal for a bit now. I don't think anyone besides people in this Project has EVER been to the Portal. Piracy isn't the most active and popular subject on Wikipedia right now. And since no one looks at it and me and maybe a few others edit it, it might be time to start thinking about deletion. Or a second option is to put the articles and such on a continual cycle. Thought I would mention it here and your opinions on it before I suggest it over at WP:MfD. Thoughts?  Def lag ro  C/T 23:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just got here. Yes, I suppose we should delete it, until people start "trafficking" here, as it were. That way, for the time being, we won't be using space. Therefore I concur with you. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 22:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

May 22
Edward Low will be the main page featured article on May 22!. This might help get some attention for WPP. I am sorry I have not been very active on the project recently, and will endeavour to do better. Yaaargh. Neıl 龱  09:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! Good job on that article! Don't feel too bad about being inactive. The only time I really ever log into Wikipedia is just to check messages/watchlist. No one has really been working on the project.  Def lag ro   C/T 20:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know...I haven't had time: exams coming up. Just wondering: I can't find that many sources on some of the pirates listed on the wanted articles checklist; is it possible for one of you to give me the title of a book - any book - that might help? Thanks. The Adventuress BlackPearl14 04:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't really help ya there. Most of the pirates on that list are there because people couldn't find sources, but have heard of them. My suggestion is using Google Books to try to search for them. Most would just be a passing sentence about them.  Def lag ro   C/T 15:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I've been doing...again, with the whole passing sentence thing, that's the problem...I guess I could still go to Borders, they have a lot of books on piracy there. The Adventuress BlackPearl14 15:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a whole bunch of books I picked up when I was in the States earlier this year.. I kinda lost interest but I can type up a list of what I have if it's of interest to anyone
 * That would be great! Thanks! Oh, and please remember to sign your posts with a ~, then I can contact you on your personal talk page, even if you don't have an account. Thanks! The Adventuress BlackPearl14 01:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Under the Black Flag - David Cordingley
 * Under the Black Flag: Exploits of the Most Notiorious Pirates - Don C. Seitz
 * A New Voyage Round the World - William Dampier
 * A General History of the Robberies & Murders of the Most Notorious Pirates - Captain C. Johnson
 * I have a few more but where they are I'm not sure at present. shasYarr!/T 07:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Great Job
On the Edward Low article. Very interesting stuff. Keep up the good work. Remember (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

List of pirates Redlink/notability/citation cleanup...
Hey guys... I'm not sure if someone is actively working on this issue or not, but watching this page grow from almost nothing, I've noticed a lot of entries that are either red links, or have no citations or information to explain the entry (NOTE: Bambos Christophi and John Oberlin Harris as quick examples)...

Here's what I'm proposing/suggesting... within the next couple weeks, I think that we need to go through this list and clean it up. If the name is redlink, and there is no citation or verification available, then the person should not be listed. Taking the above two names as example, there is no way (using the information available on their entries) to verify that the person even ever existed. With a quick scan through the list, there are at least a dozen of these entries. If the person named does not have an article, and there is no citation to show proof of being a pirate, then they do not belong on this list.

Later, we will also need to start checking each name's article to see if there is citation of them being a pirate (privateer, corsair, etc.) The references at the bottom of this list also need some cleanup. If we could get a wikified ref list for each entry that would help also... I'll wait a couple days before starting and major deletionist activities, to give everyone time to answer/fix the issues...

Arrr... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. sory I haven't been very active in the Project, I've been on a pseudo-wikibreak until recently... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's a good idea. The references and the redlinks were both things I was working on before I rather lost interest.. I'll go dig out my pirate books and see what I can do. shasYarr!/T 09:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

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 * Good to know. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 15:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Considering Inactivity
Should we divide the member list on the main page to show who is active as opposed to who is inactive? That way, if someone ever poses a question for us, they can ask someone who actually has been working on the project actively? Just a thought! BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 16:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, why not... a lot of projects have an active/semi-active/inactive listing... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The only problem being, I don't know how to do that. (?) Do I look at a user's recent activity in contributions? BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 19:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I find it very ironic I am inactive and commenting on how to figure out who is inactive. Send them a message on their talk page. If they don't respond within a week (or say they want to be inactive/semi-active) put them on the inactive list. As for me I am pretty inactive but still check my talk page if something needs my attention. Good luck!  Def lag ro   C/T 01:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, the way we did it at WikiProject The Simpsons was to place all the obviously active members in the "active" section, and everyone else in the "semi-active" section... then through discussion on the talk page, tell everyone that if they are active, to feel free to move themselves up (or down to inactive)...
 * if you want to go through the "semi-active" list to find those that have not edited on Wikipedia for a while (say a month or 2?), and move them to "inactive", I don't see a problem with that... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

John Callis
I've raised some questions at Talk:John Callis (pirate). If anyone has any comments, please let me know. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Piracy-related
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Ascendancy
WikiProject Crime is listed on the project page as a related project. Shouldn't formal ties be established and WP Crime be designated as an ascendant project? __meco (talk) 20:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

It should. Feel free to do so. -The Bold Guy- (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm just a casual passer-by who stopped to make a comment. I'm not a member of either project. __meco (talk) 14:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

It is a easy procedure to perform. I'll see to it it happens. -The Bold Guy- (talk) 19:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Ahh! Just saw this ;) Well, I guess The Bold Guy's got it down ;) BlackPearl14 [ talkies!•contribs! ] 02:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

How good! Well, btw: there currently is a piracy-related article up for GA-class nomination: Pier Gerlofs Donia, a famous Frisian pirate. Perhaps there are some Project Piracy members willing to take a look at this, maybe improving something before it is reviewed? Thanks in advanche, -The Bold Guy- (talk) 06:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Rename proposed
The project should be officially renamed to "wp: piracy on high seas" to make it very clear the topic is not about downloading XXX.MP3 from bittorrent. 82.131.210.162 (talk) 11:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)