Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pittsburgh/Archive 2

Dino-Mite Days
We need an article for Dino-Mite Days, the charity art project with all the dinosaurs. Anyone? --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 14:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Using In Pittsburgh and From Pittsburgh
I would like to get some consistancy on the use of the terms in Pittsburgh and from Pittsburgh, especially when used for categories. I was working on Category:High schools in Pittsburgh and was trying to figure out what schools to include. I could include only high schools in the Pittsburgh Public Schools but why have a separate category when they're all listed on that page? I could also have limited it to only schools within the City of Pittsburgh but then how to deal with Winchester Thurston School which has campuses inside and outside the city limits?

Then I ran across the Pittsburgh metropolitan area page which gives the official definition as used by the U.S. Census. I'd like to recommend that we use this definition for what to include in Pittsburgh and from Pittsburgh.

Anyone creating a category about Pittsburgh might want to include wording like:


 * Removed, use pghmetrocats instead

Unless anyone has objections, I'm going to update the Category:People from Pittsburgh and related categories to remove Lawrence County, Pennsylvania which isn't a part of the official metropolitan area. Also, we might like to update pghproj to wikilink to Pittsburgh metropolitan area. This would give us a formal definition of what should be tagged.

– Paschmitts 00:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It sounds good to me. I may have been the one who added Lawrence, but I'm not sure. Please continue your good work. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 04:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That reminds me: I need to get back to sorting those cats. The CfD disrupted my little category project just as it began, and I had done a ton of work off-Wikipedia to make the task simpler/faster, but I am done being discouraged. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 04:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I've just run across the pghmetrocats template which adds the category description, county wikilinks, category TOC and county categories (now that I fixed that). I also added it to the Category:Pittsburgh templates which should be expanded. Now I'll go back through various categories and switch them to this template. – Paschmitts 14:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that Lawrence County has been removed from People from Pittsburgh, it is not in the metro but it is a micropolitan that is attached to Pittsburgh metro (or something along those lines) so I am very much for both Lawrence and Indiana being included in those listings. Why was it removed? Hholt01 23:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Overheard in Pittsburgh article request
Because Overheard in Pittsburgh has won the City Paper Reader's Poll for best local Web site in addition to coverage in a number of other publications, including Pittsburgh Metropolitan magazine and Pittsburgh Magazine, it is now notable enough for its own article. This is, however, my Web site, and so my creating such an article would be a conflict of interest. If anyone would be interested in writing this article, I will provide you with all of the sources you need. Thanks, Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 05:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Expansion needed:Pittsburgh History and Landmarks Foundation
Pittsburgh History and Landmarks Foundation could use some expansion. created the article, but he is associated with the PHLF, and he copied the text from the Web site, which violated the work's copyright, even though he wrote it. He has released the text under the GNU, and I have restored the article but trimmed the the PR speak. Please help to expand this article. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 05:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

UPMC
Hello. Obviously everyone (who lives in Pittsburgh) knows about UPMC. That article needs some help. I've added a few things, but it still needs some good effort put into it, considering how big it is in western Pennsylvania. I think it needs to go into deatil about each of the major hospitals (Presby, Shadyside, and Children's at least.). I can help where necessary. Thanks, Weatherman1126  (  talk  ) 04:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I recently added, expanded, and cleaned-up a little bit. Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, Weatherman1126  (  talk  ) 03:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good job, consider nominating it for WP:DYK.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Wild Cherry
Someone is questioning the fair use of the album art on this page Wild Cherry (band). The reason they are questioning it is because they state (incorrectly) that the album isn't mentioned in the article. The person who wrote the article does mention the band's self-titled album. I didn't write the article, but I added the album cover. I've written a brief response to this challenge in the image summary, but I wanted to bring this to your group's attention since you have much more interest in the fate of this article than I do. CRKingston 11:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the image being questioned Image:Wild Cherry album cover.jpg CRKingston 11:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please remember that we cannot use copyrighted images any place other than article space. Oh, and I will take a look at that talk page. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos needed
Pittsburgh category at Commons is quite small. We need more photos and more categories - it's kind of a shame that my small hometown in Poland has more photos and categories then Pittsburgh does :) PS. And yes, I am 'sofixingit' with my camera :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 04:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Luke Ravenstahl
We need lots of eyes on Luke Ravenstahl. Vandals have been having a go at this somewhat frequently recently, and the article could use some work as is. I really appreciate any work other editors put in. Thanks, Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Pittsburgh is was a Featured Article candidate
I've nominated the article a second time, following improvements made in response to criticisms from its Oct 2006 submission. Currently it's stalled, with two oppose votes (one from an anonymous IP) based on not enough info about U of Pitt. Please go to Featured article candidates/History of Pittsburgh and let the FA project know what you think. Tomcool 21:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The nomination failed. No one from the project commented or voted.  One guy and an anonymous ID (echoing the one guy's comments) killed it.  I won't nominate it myself anymore.  Doesn't actually fire me with enthusiasm for the Wikiproject Pittsburgh. Tomcool 19:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I was surprised to read this just now. And then I realized this was posted at the top of the page, rather than the bottom, where editors know to look for new message. When I have checked the page recently, I didn't see this message at all because of this. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, that was a problem. My two suggetions: first, get a WP:PR. Then, go for WP:GA status. Skipping those steps and going for WP:FAC usually results in a quick defeat of an article.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Pittsburgh neighborhoods
We have a lot of needless neighborhood articles, articles that should be merged together under one name. I could use some help with this. These articles are located in Category:Pittsburgh neighborhoods. Look to Hill District (Pittsburgh) as an example. Please notify this WikiProject of the merge discussion before performing the merge yourself.

Additionally, Franklin Toker's Pittsburgh: An Urban Portrait is used as a reference for most, if not all, of these articles, but few, if any, use proper citation style (marking footnotes for statements that draw reference from the source), which means that anything can be added to these articles and other editors might just assume that the details came from Toker's book.

Thanks, Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 07:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Not sure about how Toker's book is being used to cite all, I agree you need to cite sources if you add to an article. As far as merging I am troubled that someone combined those articles, the city does recognize 88 or some "unique neighborhoods" and even this enrages locals because some claim there are really over 100 unique neighborhoods see: Soho, Fertile bottom etc.  I can see as a stopgap measure to combine Central Oakland East Oakland North Oakland but really we need to start getting unique articles in there.  To be accurate we should at least recognize the 88 (is that it) neighborhoods the city does.  Interested in other comments. Hholt01 23:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, actually. Although most of these are pretty short stubs, Wikipedia has a long history of short articles on population centers, and most of Pittsburgh's neighborhoods have greater population (or economic activity, or whatever) than the unincorporated communities we write about. I'd like to take a stab at improving these articles, at first by adding a locator map to each of them, probably in an infobox. It is a little bit tricky, though, because Squirrel Hill is universally treated as if it were one neighborhood, and I do agree we should have a single merged article on it. The way that Oakland lists the constituent neighborhoods is probably a good model. &mdash; brighterorange  (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The article John Fedko is up for deletion. Please comment at Articles for deletion/John Fedko. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-08 12:52Z 
 * He is locally very notable, also you can't leave out the discussion that this is a perennial NCAA Tournament town (8 in the last 6 seasons), AFC Championship/SuperBowl city, and has one of the hottest and youngest hockey teams around. Just look at the range and depth of Steeler nation, all pulling up Fedko online from Asia, Europe and throughout North and Central America.Hholt01 23:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I could say that anyone who has been on TV in Pgh for awhile is notable. Stacy Smith (KDKA), Sally Wiggin (WTAE), Kathy the Shop 'n Save lady - doesn't mean they deserve a Wiki page.  This isn't a HS popularity contest.  I still think the Fedko page should be deleted.  I like him, but giving him a page can open the flood gates for every Joe Schmo TV person to get a page.--Write On 1983 04:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I can see the slippery slope however like it or not this is a sports town so that bumps him up, he is on more then one network and much like a local Howard Cosell he IS the news sometimes, that differs him from talking heads or weather girls. Also the massive Steeler nation pulls him up via the web from throughtout the globe, as well as Pitt fans and alumni.  I agree this is borderline but given he is on multiple networks, its a local Howard Cosell in a population center that gets its heartbeat from sports and that many ex-burghers watch him from states or nations away tip the scales IMHO Hholt01 00:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I like your argument.  The only thing I would argue is that much of the same could be said for Bob Pompeani of KDKA, especially since KDKA (CBS) is currently home of the Steelers.  In a sports town like the 'Burgh, many of our sports reporters could be given a page.  Alby Oxenreiter (sp?) is an example of someone who is borderline of deserving a page.  I just don't want to see a page for every sports TV personality out there.  As for the weather person comment...Kevin Benson spent several hours on air during the major Blizzard in 1994.  I could argue that he deserves a page.  (Of course, I don't think he does unless he'd ever make it to the Today show or something).  I just caution against weak articles on Wiki.  That's all.  =)  --Write On 1983 18:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Steel Valley disagreement
Check out the Steel Valley page?!?! I left some points on discussion, as much as I feel our Ohio brethren are pulling a fast one this difference of view offers an opportunity I feel, one to show how closely Youngstown, E. Liverpool etc. are connected to the 'burgh. Not looking to go to war with that crowd but I think at the very least a disambig page that puts the Mon Valley (and head of the Ohio) at the top of the list is needed here. At the most I welcome the "Steel Valley"'s definition expansion from Morgantown to Youngstown. Any thoughts? Hholt01 00:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem corrected. Two articles. Check it out at Steel Valley. --Daysleeper47 17:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the articles are way POV, but we can alter the Pittsburgh one, geographically speaking this valley IS the Beaver Valley in metro Pittsburgh and thus the Ohio/Mon Valley south of the city as well. Wouldn't it be easier to merge these two articles with explanation that they do have two or three distinct subregions? Hholt01 23:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Some adds and expands for mid-March
Just wanted everyone to know that I added Soliders and Sailors and linked it to SOTL wikipage. Added the celebs at Fallingwater to expand that, and will work on Kentuck Knob. I expanded mightly the Pittsburgh Steel Valley page and went down the list of WVU atheletes from the burgh to include them in both the People from Pittsburgh page and catagory page. I say all this so that we might better coordinate what needs exist for the region's pages here, and if anyone has insights on those pages I added or updated and vice versa, or if there are pages someone would like to see added. Thanks. Hholt01 00:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hall - great. I have some pictures of that, will upload them to Commons soon. Don't forget to add appopriate stubs and categories in the future :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 01:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My bad Piotrus, I had about 3 google results up and was in the moment, had to add some links and refs though I am sure citations can be expanded, would welcome help on S&S as well as the SV (great news about ur pics), would be interested to hear of any other pet projects we're interested in see where I can help (oh updated the Pitt Panthers Basketball page tonight, too bad we couldn't pencil in Dukie next!)Hholt01 09:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My pet project related to Pittsburgh is taking photos and categorizing them on Commons. Unfortunatly I know to little about the city and area to write meaningful articles.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Pittsburgh
Please see my proposal there.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 01:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Easy Pittsburgh watchlist
You should check out Special:Recentchangeslinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pittsburgh/Articles; it makes monitoring Pittsburgh articles easy, and you don't have to add a ton of them to your watchlist. This tracks changes to any article that has been tagged as part of WikiProject Pittsburgh. The link is also readily available from the main WP:PGH page, along with some other, similar ones. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 02:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Interactive neighborhood map
This map, which is cited in a number of neighborhood articles, is not necessarily reliable. It doesn't include all of the actual neighborhood boundaries, instead offering approximations. For instance, the border between East Liberty and Shadyside is the busway, but the map shows Centre. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 13:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok I'm curious, I had considered the busway to be the boundary but at the same time those maps look extremely specific so I don't feel they would spend that much time and effort just to make approximations. Thanks Hholt01 3/30/2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.0.121.248 (talk) 21:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

History of Pittsburgh and Tepper School of Business
Currently, the History of Pittsburgh is up for a GA nomination. I would appreciate anyone with availability taking the time to look at the article and voting on its nomination page.

Secondly, I have put The tepper school of business up for peer review. I think that this arcticle has the potential to be very good, but I would like any input on what I can do to help its progression. Thanks! PadreNuestro 16:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Added Assessment Page
You may notice that you can now add assessments to your Pittsburgh related pages. Here is the assessment page WikiProject Pittsburgh/Assessment —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PadreNuestro (talk • contribs).
 * Great! Thanx for doing this, I've started adding assessments to pages I've been working on. If anyone disagrees with my assessments, please change them; I always give my reasoning so you understand my assessment. – Paschmitts 11:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice. I'd suggest adding a wikiproject peer review option for B- and A-classes, like WPMILHIST has.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Pittsburgh International Airport
Pittsburgh International Airport recently passed B-class status and failed its GA review. Comments were left on the talk page and I would ask that anyone able to help please help to clean up this article to help it to pass this review in the future. NW036 06:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've seen lots of upgrades adds and improvements to the airport site BIG BIG Question though, I was thinking looking at Denver Internationals page among others that thier equivalent of our "innovations" is up top, gates near the bottom etc. etc. shouldnt we reprioritize the topics, Interested in other opinions on this but I am looking to go forward with this in the next few weeks. Thanks Hholt01 21:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I added info table on the BCTA and 28X to the airport site have posted my opinion we reorganize the cats in that article, if anyone would like to add their two cents let me know.Hholt01 15:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

History of Pittsburgh is a FAC
please, if you have time, review History of Pittsburgh at Featured article candidates. ThanksPadreNuestro 01:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

added flag boxes, changed to commonwealth, added area codes etc.
added flag boxes, changed to commonwealth, added area codes etc. to main Pittsburgh page, I have been looking at Charlotte, Philadelphia etc. and added some of their design and topics to the main Pgh page. Also expanded Yinzer and added Pittsburgher, added about the first europeans here 1717-1753, since the history seemed to start AFTER we were being fought over (logically there had to be settlers here for decades before Empires started to fight over them).Interested in any views and ideas about this thanks.Hholt01 21:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

List of films and television shows shot in Pittsburgh marked for deletion!?!
List of films and television shows shot in Pittsburgh has been marked for deletion, hope we all could leave our comments in its deletion discussion page. I for one see this as a valuable reference for the local arts. Hope we all can leave our views on this thanks! Hholt01 18:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Oakmont G.C. for featured article in runup to open?
I think we should work on Oakmont GC so we can make it a featured article before the open starts! Hholt01 15:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the scorecard, does anyone have any info on the US Open official scorecard I am pretty new to golf so any other additions to the Oakmont site would be welcomed!Hholt01 23:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikichallenged on top disambig, help!
I am looking at the wikipage for Cleveland and wondering if we can change out the disambig notice at the top of Pittsburgh with one that they have, I put in Pittsburgh Metro but it is coming up dead any help appreciated thanks. Hholt01 04:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We have no article on metropolitan areas of Pennsylvania, thus its read - see Category:Metropolitan areas of the United States. Until somebody writes them, there is not much we can do.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

PIT airport article debate
As everyone probably knows here, I am rabidly a fan of everything Pittsburgh and that includes history, I think we have another like minded individual contributing some great pics and info on Pittsburgh International Airport, however I feel while the information is fantastic the order and sheer volume of it detracts mightly from the scope and focus of the page, a page IMHO that should be about the "operations" of a modern major airport. Mainly the nine paragraphs of history of the airport uncatagorized and a bit over detailed doesn't fit the main article focus of a page that reflects a living breathing complex not a museum. Again just my opinion, as a solution to this I made notice that I was going to reorganize the page without deleting any of the truly great information from Wiki weeks ago, just yesterday I made the following improvements: Pittsburgh_International_Airport&oldid=132287175 note I set up the detailed and long history with its very own Wikipage, I hate to revert back to these because I do get the impression that the contributor that keeps changing it is actually a great history and operations buff of the complex and I'd love to have him join the fold and join the Wikiproject, but at the same time I feel browsing through paragraph after paragraph of the history of something that is in its nature an operational and dynamic complex is less then great. The history should indeed stay but should not be a priority feature on the page of a facility that invented free Wi-Fi has Southwest and Jetblue destinations and had film crews there for Wonder Boys, if we should be "headlining" any information it should be those first and those detailed. Although I'd love to put every topic first and every topic detailed on the PIT page realisitically we can only pick a few. Would love thoughts and input on this, but IMHO my version of this page works best to balance all of PIT's bragging spots, major info and history LINK. Thanks. Hholt01 05:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Your diff above doesn't work. The history section needs copyediting (ilinks, etc.), inline refs would be nice.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking for somebody with access to the network of the University of Pittsburgh
Hello, I'm working on an article about the seemingly not very famous art historian P. Müller-Walde, in this context it would be nice to have access to this work. Is there anybody who would be willingly to help me? You could send me a wikimail via de:Spezial:E-Mail/Elya to receive a proper email address. Thank you very much in advance! --elya 18:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have the pdf, but I cannot send it to you - you may need to activate your Wiki email; in any case just email me and ask for it.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, I sent you an email. Thanks! --elya 20:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Piotr, are there problems with the email? Just to make sure you'va received it, no need to hurry ,-) --elya 19:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ew_wp at web.de seems to be having issues, I will try the different email you provided.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Pittsburgh metro
I see someone has removed Lawrence Oounty again, for those unfamiliar metro areas in the US are defined by the MSA (locally) and in the really complicated ones an umbrella like CSA (regional), for Pittsburgh Lawrence Co. is NOT in the MSA but is part of the CSA of metro Pittsburgh. Basically it's part of our region.

Charlotte, Cleveland and NYC all include these counties in their wiki articles on their metros. In fact Cleveland makes no note or special mention that Ashtabula is only CSA, NYC actually includes two counties in CT that have nothing to do with their MSA or CSA and Charlotte includes two counties (thou they mention that they are only "sometimes" included) that are not part of either MSA or CSA and one that it fails to note in SC that is grouped in its MSA. I am wondering two things, A) is there a standard to these measures, I realize the census doesn't have a monopoly on what defines metro with DMA and regional organizations having their own definitions and thats fine but Pittsburgh should be on equal footing then in its metro description.

and B) Should Pittsburgh merge its metro, DMA and Tri-State articles ala NYC or Charlotte with clear definitions of what is MSA, CSA and other defined metro counties. Thanks Hholt01 00:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know what your abbreviations mean. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 15:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Chris, thanks for the reply, CSA is Consolidated Statistical Area and definition can be found at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Statistical_Area Pittsburgh DMA and Pittsburgh T-S (Tristate) can be found under the Pittsburgh metropolitan area article on wiki. Basically in laymans terms I wonder how much leeway we have in defining the "Pittsburgh Area" since Charlotte and NYC on wiki go far far beyond the boundaries that the census dept. limits their metro areas at. Interested in other opinions on this. Hholt01 21:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I updated the Tri-State Page [Pittsburgh_Tri-State] with a few maps showing the limits of Pittsburgh broadcast stations (along with FSN Pittsburgh) and the limits of the Federal field offices based in Pittsburgh. Interested in opinions on if these are accurate dipictions of the "Tri-State" and about the mergering of the metro article and the Tri State article.  Thanks Hholt01 07:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Trinity Church/Cathedral
Added http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Church%2C_Pittsburgh

kind of rushed tonight but wanted this history and faith tradition represented at Wikipedia feel free to contribute to this page! Hholt01 01:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Jews Hill (Pittsburgh)
There's some concern that this may not be the best title for an article on a defunct neighborhood of Pittsburgh that's also called "Squirrel Hill". More input at Talk:Jews Hill (Pittsburgh) from users familiar with the area would help. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any relation to Squirrel Hill, which is an officially recognized neighborhood (well, Squirrel Hill North and Squirrel Hill South) in Pittsburgh; the Squirrel Hill article should certainly retain its name. &mdash; brighterorange  (talk) 14:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
Articles for deletion/Grant Street --NE2 21:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)