Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Podcasting/Archive 7

Quality & Importance Graph
I was curious how the quality and importance graph was maintained and who is allowed to make changes to an article's status. I'm a little unclear what the different quality and importance statuses mean and would appreciate some clarification. For instance, what makes an article have top importance and what does that mean for the article, and what qualifies an article for GA, B, or C status? I was also wondering how often the graph updates because I added the file status to a few podcast artwork files and they have yet to appear on the graph.

A few articles that I've noticed are similarly well written and sourced but have different quality and importance statuses include The Adventure Zone, Serial (podcast), Welcome to Night Vale, TMRO, and Ear Hustle. Are they currently ranked correctly or could I move them to different qualities or importance? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! So the differences in qualities and importances can be found here Content_assessment. Basically, importance is roughly determined by how many views the article gets on average. Quality is simply how detailed the article is. These can be decided by anyone, but obviously it's encouraged to have a good reason for deciding the way you do. To be rated as a GA or FA (good or featured article) there's a more thorough review process. Scripts like User:Evad37/rater can help with the process. The chart is not updated frequently. starsandwhales (talk) 20:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Would it be fair to say that based on the priority scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Priority_of_topic) we could do the following as a general rule of thumb ?


 * Top 	Article is about a significant podcast or podcaster or the article is about a significant podcast network, collective, platform, provider, or technology
 * High 	Article is about a significant podcast or podcaster or the article is about an insignificant podcast network, collective, platform, provider, or technology
 * Mid 	Article is about an insignificant podcast or podcaster
 * Low 	Articles that are not explicitly about podcasting but instead only contain a section dedicated to a podcast


 * I'm suggesting this scale in part because the graph right now has almost exclusively low, ???, and NA importance. Classifying them this way gives priority to groups of podcasts such as networks and collectives and also a distinct priority for podcast specific articles over non-podcasting specific articles. From what I understand, the quality of the article shouldn't effect the importance whatsoever so this rating scale should be able to be applied to all articles regardless of how well-written or sourced they are, is that correct ? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd personally modify your list a little bit.


 * Top 	Article is about a significant podcast or podcaster or the article is about a significant podcast network, collective, platform, provider, or technology, but with a certain threshold of article views per month
 * High 	Article is about a significant podcast or podcaster or the article is about a significant podcast network, collective, platform, provider, or technology
 * Mid 	Article is about an insignificant podcast or podcaster or the article is about an insignificant podcast network, collective, platform, provider, or technology
 * Low 	Articles that are not explicitly about podcasting but instead only contain a section dedicated to a podcast


 * How would we define "significant" or "insignificant"? Just by how many listens the podcast gets on certain platforms? How many sources there are? (Also, don't forget to sign all of your messages on a talk page!) starsandwhales (talk) 17:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * How do we check the article views per month? To be honest, I wasn't sure how I planned on making that distinction. I was mostly making a broad statement and hoping for feedback. Considering listenership probably decreases over time because you normally only listen to a podcast once and when podcasts stop releasing content they loose relevance to current events and such, perhaps we could make the distinction based on whether the podcast has made it onto a platform's charts, received an award, and/or has high listenership? What do you think ?


 * I've noticed while going through and changing some ratings that there are articles dedicated to Radio Shows that were later converted into podcasts. Personally, I'd think these would deserve lower importance ratings because they were significant as Radio Shows not as Podcasts. Any thoughts? TipsyElephant (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Are radio shows at all relevant to the Podcasting Wikiproject if they haven't been converted into a podcast? I've come across a few with the talk page banner for Podcasting. If it's not a podcast and is only a radio show why would it be relevant to the project? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:31, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm adding a table below this that we can update as we decide on the criteria, and once we've fully decided we can move it to the Wikiproject's main page so anyone using the chart to find an article has a clearer idea of how articles are rated.


 * So I looked into the stats idea and found that podcast articles typically get below 20,000 views per month so I think I'll make that the criteria for a Mid level jump to a High level importance. If you have any objections or suggestions feel free to add to the discussion. I used stats from |99%25_Invisible|Reply_All_(podcast)|This_American_Life|The_Daily_(podcast)|Chapo_Trap_House|My_Brother,_My_Brother_and_Me|Pod_Save_America|Radiolab|Freakonomics|"Pageviews Analysis" and |"WikiShark". TipsyElephant (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I also decided to take a look at stats on podcasters and the outcome was basically the same so I'm going with 20,000 views per month as the guideline. I again used |Dave_Winer|Jon_Lovett|Dan_Carlin|Adam_Curry|Sarah_Koenig|Griffin_McElroy|Michelle_Buteau|Travis_McElroy|J._C._Hutchins|"Page View Analysis" and |"WikiShark". TipsyElephant (talk) 20:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I decided to take a look at stats on podcast networks and the outcome was about 10,000 views less on average so I'm making the guideline 10,000 views per month. I used |Earwolf|Gimlet_Media|IHeartRadio|Maximum_Fun|Radiotopia|TMRO|Wondery|Compound_Media|Public_Radio_Exchange|"Page View Analysis" and |"WikiShark". TipsyElephant (talk) 15:23, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Would it be okay for me to put this table on the main page of the Podcasting project near the graph or would it be more appropriate to create subpages in the talk section for more permanent guidelines like this so they don't get archived? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * When ready to make something official, it should be updated into the table at this link: WikiProject Podcasting/Assessment. There is also some room for examples if desired. -2pou (talk) 18:25, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's ready ? Or could I update the table there and we can continue the discussion here? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

I think this table should be made official. It is thorough and puts in place some guidelines that we were sorely needing. The examples are also very helpful and should make it easier to write articles for this project! Great work starsandwhales (talk) 17:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Huh... I missed that ping. No other comments from me.  On a somewhat related note,, you probably don't need to add |class=Draft for articles in the Draft space.  If banners are present in Draft space, they automatically show as "Draft" if the class parameter is blank.  If it is populated with "Draft", then that class will remain there after moving to main space or after and AFC accept.  For example, Talk:Podcast But Outside.  The average AFC reviewer is only going to use the script, which won't overwrite existing banner classes, and recently accepted draft articles may end up staying in that class until someone happens to notice.  This auto-populated class also applies to Categories and Redirects when empty.  A Category isn't likely to change, but a Redirect might change if it is turned into an article directly from the Redirect.  Just wanted to point that out in case you didn't know, but if you planned on periodically re-visiting the Draft class pages, it wouldn't matter. -2pou (talk) 18:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually didn't realize that. Thank you for pointing it out. I'll make sure to go through and fix any that I wrote that way. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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