Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Podcasting/Archive 8

Guidelines for style of podcast articles
I would like to discuss what the standard manual of style is for podcast articles. I'm not sure how this is normally done so I'm just taking a stab at it and see what the response is to my attempt. I'll be basing my manual of style on these articles: The Adventure Zone, Serial (podcast), Welcome to Night Vale, TMRO, and Ear Hustle.

Here's an outline of how I think a podcast article should look: TipsyElephant (talk) 18:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Introduction
 * Short description of the article's highlights
 * The description should include what genre and type of podcast it is
 * Infobox
 * 1) Background
 * History behind the creation of the podcast
 * Associations with networks, collectives, regular guests, other podcasts or other media
 * 1) Format
 * Description of the podcast's various segments
 * Description of the podcast's advertising methods
 * 1) Synopsis
 * Short description of the podcast's topic or a summary of the story's plot
 * 1) Episodes
 * Episode table if many of the episodes are notable
 * Episode Number Overall
 * Episode Number in Season
 * Title
 * Guests
 * Released
 * Duration
 * Notes
 * Rating (?)
 * Short descriptions of episodes (?)
 * 1) Live events
 * List containing each live event or prose if notable enough
 * 1) Reception
 * Reviews, critiques, ratings, and awards
 * 1) Controversies
 * Description of controversies
 * 1) Adaptions
 * Video or book adaptions, etc.
 * 1) See also
 * Hosts
 * Provider, platform, collective, or network
 * Genre of podcast or lists of podcasts in the same category
 * Related podcasts (i.e. podcasts that have collaborated with the subject)
 * 1) Notes
 * 2) References
 * 3) Further reading
 * 4) External links
 * Official website
 * 1) Authority control
 * Links to platforms like Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, etc.
 * 1) Categories


 * I personally based my changes to Welcome to Night Vale on the manual of style for articles on television programs. I think live events and reception should be switched so that its kind of sorted by category. This looks good. Also we should not link to the patreon because that may be considered as advertising. If someone follows the link to the official website they should be able to find the patreon easily enough. starsandwhales (talk) 17:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd personally make an effort to show the networks podcasts are a part of, as well as any related podcasts. For instance, with The Adventure Zone, many of the relationships in that show find their groundings in My Brother, My Brother & Me, in Polygon's Besties and YouTube content, and more. In shows like Reply All, it's network, Gimlet, and it's subsequent changes as a result of its acquisition by Spotify, have created many changes for the show in addition to the network as a whole. If we're trying to give a bigger picture into podcasting, providing more of the behind-the-scenes stuff, things that readers will have more trouble finding without a quick google search, should be a part of it. 9:33, 10 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabrishl (talk • contribs)


 * I've made some corrections based on the responses and I've expanded the contents so it's easier to understand. I'm curious what everyone thinks of the external link to the podcast on itunes/apple podcasts? Should it be on Apple Podcasts or on iTunes? Also, is it alright to include any location whatsoever or only the major platforms? Similarly what constitutes a major platform (maybe it has to have it's own article)? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I've added some external links to a few articles and I'm realizing that it kind of looks ridiculous to add a link to every platform or even the top three or four. So I think we have to have some kind of criteria for which platforms get listed. We can't do the platform's that are notable enough for their own articles because even then we'll have half a dozen or so. We could choose not to include platforms that aren't explicitly dedicated to podcasts. For instance, a lot of music players can play podcasts such as Spotify or Deezer, whereas Stitcher or Player.fm are explicitly dedicated to podcasts. Based on that criteria Apple Podcasts and Google Podcasts could go either way because each company has music players, but they have separate apps for podcasts. If we use that criteria though we're still left half a dozen apps including Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Player.fm, Anchor.fm, TuneIn, etc. and I'm not sure why one would be considered more relevant than the other. I'd consider including just Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and Stitcher because the first two are probably the biggest competitors and Stitcher seems to be the most used independent alternative, but I don't know if that's a good reason or not. Also, what if a podcast isn't on the major platforms? Is it okay to simply include the few locations it is or does that make the formatting inconsistent between articles? TipsyElephant (talk) 16:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Revisiting this after looking at the latest collaboration at Draft:Dirty Diana (podcast). Are there any thoughts on moving Synopsis/Plot points in front of the Background and Format sections? This is closer to what the MOS:TV and MOS:FILM layouts follow. The reason I ask is it seems like the first thing a reader will really want to know is what the show is about. Then if it seems interesting, the rest of the article will provide nitty-gritty details. Granted every single MOS page puts in the caveat that exceptions (and common sense) apply, but it seemed worth asking. -2pou (talk) 19:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * So when I started this discussion I didn't realize you could make subpages and wasn't sure how to create an entire manual of style in a single section. The end result obviously is very lacking and I hadn't written any articles for podcast yet. Now that I've spent some time on looking through articles and creating pages I have new ideas. Also, seeing a different project's manual of style is helpful. Would you be willing to make the official subpage or whatever in the correct location? I'm not exactly sure where it's supposed to be made or if I'm allowed to make it yet, but I'd be willing to start trying to add content to it and then the discussion can move to that article's talk page. If you don't have time could you maybe point me in the right direction for guidelines on how to start MOS pages? TipsyElephant (talk) 02:24, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure the official procedure of creating one. Technically, page creation can be done by simply going to Manual of Style/Podcast (or wahatever title is appropriate), and adding the content.  The MOS pages, though, are supposed to be fairly controlled and only updated with demonstrated consensus.  The WP:TEAHOUSE is probably your best bet. -2pou (talk) 16:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I asked about this at the Teahouse and got this response. I think perhaps we should keep a guide here at the project until it's more official. I'll start a subpage here at the WikiProject Talk page is that's okay and we can improve it until we think it's good enough that it might be worth proposing it again as a MOS article. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Audioverse Awards
Thoughts on writing an article on the audioverse awards? Even though things like the Webby awards have categories for it, the audioverse awards are the only real awards for fiction podcasting. Many podcast websites use their awards to advertise. Finding secondary sources on them will be difficult, however. starsandwhales (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There's enough coverage to demonstrate notability, eg 1, 2. With notability established, the audioverse site can be used to populate the details of awards and winners. Richard Nevell (talk) 00:09, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be confident in those sources. Those aren't articles by Forbes; they're articles by a Forbes contributor, which are generally unreliable, per WP:FORBESCON Vahurzpu (talk) 06:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I hope either of these counts for reliable sources., I should mention there are several other podcast awards, however, they tend to have a narrow focus or are more general podcasting though I appreciate the compliment of them being the only real awards - we just cover fiction podcasts. Discover Pods would be my recommendation for general podcasting awards. -Radarforest (talk) 23:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I was trying to get the Draft:IHeartRadio_Podcast_Awards published a while back, but a lot of the coverage is considered WP:ROUTINE, which I didn't realize was a problem until I created drafts for each year's award show and they got rejected for that reason (Draft:2019 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards, Draft:2020 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards, and Draft:2021 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards). One of the problems was also that I was using a Forbes article that got removed for the same reason (I had previously thought that Forbes was generally considered reliable). I'll add the Audioverse Awards to the collaboration of the month table. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Categories for files
I noticed that we have Category:Podcast logos, but I don't understand the instructions. Are we supposed to add the file to the category like we normally do for an article as well as the non-free logo tag?

I was also curious whether we should make any other categories for files. Perhaps one for images of podcasters or podcatchers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TipsyElephant (talk • contribs) 16:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC) The file will have to have the proper template for that to work, though. If it has a different license template, it won't populate by simply adding the  parameter. That's not a problem; it will just need to have the category added in the traditional way (if you want the file to be categorized). As to whether more categories are needed, it's probably up to you if you think there is a good use for it. I've never really understood the categorization system of files, and I'm not very active in File space. That category is pretty small, and I'm sure there are a lot of podcast files out there. Trying to categorize them might be a pain. -2pou (talk) 20:43, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You should be able to add like any other category, or use the template, if it is present. I didn't even know about that parameter until you posted here.  If you look at this diff Special:Diff/1010494860, I recently changed the categorization method.  That file was in the category before and after the change, so it doesn't matter from a technical standpoint.  As to whether there are other purposes to having it internal to the template, I don't know.  Maybe someone at the Teahouse knows.

I was originally planning on making a category for images of podcasters and then realized a lot of images of podcasters (i.e. Adam Curry) are free images and are thus on Wikimedia Commons not Wikipedia. Is it possible to add them to a Wikipedia category anyway? TipsyElephant (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know for sure, but I don't believe so. -2pou (talk) 17:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)