Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 3

Archiving
Done as again, page was accumulating to 61kb. I moved the page this time, doing it the "right way", so no quibbles. I'll leave notes about anything that was ongoing so we don't drop the ball, and both archives have been logged above. Keep up the fab work, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 18:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

From last time

 * PrimeCupEevee, XenoNeon, The Raven's Apprentice and HighwayCello finished integrating the new Pokémon infobox into all the remaining articles. Well done to all. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 18:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * User:A Man In Black stated that if we proceed with episode guide listings, they should either be categorised by series or season, not by area. He also left the task open to all other editors with knowledge on the subject. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * User:WikidSmaht designed a new character box for both gym leaders and anime characters. The new template has began being implemented in Ash Ketchum and others. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For the record, Wikid proposed it and I designed it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Pokémon Portal's maintainenance was questioned, with HighwayCello explaining his leave of abscence and requesting a group opinion of whether it should continue without pictures. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Team Rocket was split into two articles. Team Rocket (anime) now is home to Jessie, James and Meowth, as well as their manga appearances, as well as Butch and Cassidy. Team Rocket is now home to the organization players battle in the games, the overall villains in the anime, and the manga appearances of Giovanni and Team Rocket as a whole in Pokémon Adventures. Since Team Rocket doesn't contain the trio anymore, major editing help is required. A thanks to User:WikidSmaht who planned the major move, and designed the base for the new Team Rocket articles. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * A request were made for redirects to be bypassed in List of Pokémon characters on May 10. Another request was made to remove all coloured text from List of Pokémon by type on May 15. A request was also made for all duplicate images to have the previous version deleted to avoid confusion was made on 6 May. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Next Pokémon Creature Article

 * Blaziken looks like it needs some help. Alvin6226 03:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm, it is the weakest out of the Torchic line, but I'll probably clean up Combusken first. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 06:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Houndoom is utterly riddled with POV. It does have a nice line of Dobermann lighting effects though ; ) H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 13:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * !!! I was adding the tcg scans to each Pokémon when I came across Venonat. It looks horrible! Alvin6226 16:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * All the information is there, it's mostly formatting. I may pick one of these after I'm done with Combusken (haha it took a day, we just can't nominate for FA.. ever) so I'll move on. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 16:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not horrid anymore, right? Erik the Appreciator 19:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Makuhita This has been redone by myself and others. Erik the Appreciator 19:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Shuppet H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 08:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This I have revised as well. Erik the Appreciator 19:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Something inside me really wants to see Plusle become a good article. Perhaps it's the . (But it would be alanis if Minun became good first.) --Damian Yerrick (☎) 22:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Mew (Pokémon)--The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Treecko-Compared to Mudkip and Torchic, It's fellow Hoenn starters it is horrible!-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 00:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone write an anime section and it'll be a GA within a week, we just lift the text from Torchic and Mudkip and changes a word here and there. ;) H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, the anime needs cleaning and the manga needs written, but it's good people. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Rapidash needs a little love. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Linoone: Yikes, what the hell happened here!? Better check it out, folks. Erik the Appreciator 19:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's certainly interesting vandalism... H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Reverted, it's been sitting like that a week. The IP's been doing it to various articles, but he got reverted. But never warned. He is now the owner of a final warning, since I'm not in the charitable mood. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Next Miscellaneous Article
''I reommend choosing Max as the next focus article. Thoughts? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)'' Other Mishaps? This article might need some help. Alvin6226 02:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, that's Max (Pokémon) (obviously). And come to think of it, even Poké Ball and Team Aqua and Team Magma need help. Thoughts?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Max (Pokémon) needs the borrowed Pokémon section removed, and lots more cleanup, so it would thus be good as a miscellena next article--XenoN e on (converse) 11:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Make sure the ugly table of Pokémon is replaced with prose! Please! - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Pokémon character articls are now being taken care of by WP:PAC2, so we should be taking a non-character article. How about Poké Ball or Glitch City?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that Pokemon Ranger should be our next focus.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 23:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's not do a speculative article if we can at all avoid it. Poké Ball needs a lot of love, Max (Pokémon) needs work despite the presence of WP:PAC2. and all of the glitches still need to be collapsed into a single article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * WHAT?! If the glitches are merged, we need to transwiki the original articles somewhere else. Okay, so they don't belong in an encyclopedia, but they're very informative for people who want to exploit the glitches. And they're much better than their Bulbapedia counterparts. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Even Pokémon trainer needs a lot of work. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC) The aforementioned article just needs some heavyhanded deletion. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

List of Pokémon by type
Is there a bot that could remove all the unnecessary colour in this article?--XenoN e on (converse) 19:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hm? You mean the headings? Master Mew 21:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The headings and the (also <color=[appropriate color]) text. --XenoN e on (converse) 19:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I fixed MOST of it up...just a few typo's from MSword. Master Mew 22:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that list...wow. Yeah, I've AFDed it, as we already have categories that cover this sort of thing. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Would Like to Join
I would gladly like to join this project; Pokemon is one of my main interests. I also have a few good ideas, so let me know if I can join up! Master Mew 20:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Please do! We would love to have you join the project, everyone's welcome. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 21:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just in case you're not sure how to join: Add your name to the Participants' section of the project page by putting three tildes (like this ) The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Linking to Fansites
When certain articles link to fansites, should we get rid off those links? I don't really know, just checking. Master Mew 23:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Like Serebii, PsyPoke and Smogon? Noo! We need those : P H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 07:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well...I don't think. I mean, we could make individual articles for the big ones...I mean, when it comes down to it, they're fan sites, and no more. They aren't official, or anything... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Master Mew (talk • contribs).


 * Please sign messages, and indent accordingly. We aren't making articles for them. Meh to life. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 21:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Whoops...I always forget the little tiddles. Sorry... xD So, should I delete the fansite links? Master Mew 22:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, for the last time. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 07:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

They're important. Official sites such as Pokémon.com do not provide specific information as it is not to 'spoil' the game they created. If one is looking for specific information, he needs a fansite as sites like Pokémon.com don't provide certain information.XenoN e on (converse) 19:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Linking back to Pokemon.com breaks the Pokémon terms of use. I Love Minun  (talk) 18:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair use image
A new speedy deletion tag has been introduced, allowing all images without fair use rationales to be deleted speedily, as in without IfD. Since images can't be un-deleted, it would only take one user to wipe out nearly all of our images, so we need to tag them all. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

How to adding a Fair Use Rationale (FUR)


 * Go to an image's page and edit the Liscencing section.
 * Add the following, filling in the relevant notes -

== Fair Use Rationale for Article that the Image Appears in ==

I, User:Example, believe this image should be categorized under fair use in the above mentioned article because - Sign with 4 tildes.
 * 1) It is low resolution.
 * 2) It does not limit the copyright owners rights to sell the game.
 * 3) Depicts subject discussed in article.
 * 4) The photo is only being used for informational purposes.

All Pokémon images can be found at Category:Pokémon images.

Should we make a template for this? Something similar to the pokérefs, like ? Cheers, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Right, I've figured out what to do and made the template for fair use-art images. Do as follows.


 * Go to the image page and add
 * Place a "|" after "fair" and put the name of the article that the picture appears in
 * Place a "|" after the name of the article and put your full user name
 * Add 4 tildes after closing the brackets
 * You should end up with something similar to this - Torchic ~
 * Save the page.


 * You should end with something that looks like this -

== Fair Use Rationale for Torchic ==

I, HighwayCello, believe this image should be categorized under fair use in the above mentioned article because -
 * 1) It is low resolution.
 * 2) It does not limit the copyright owners rights to sell the game.
 * 3) Depicts subject discussed in article.
 * 4) The photo is only being used for informational purposes. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Now, tag away. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't know it was bad enough for all the images to be deleted, we better work fast. I Love Minun  (talk) 19:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You no longer need to add your user name, someone made it automatically add your signature, so just add

Article


 * Thanks, we better get moving, we should also get others attention to get help. I Love Minun  (talk) 19:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll help since its the only thing I have to do Pokesaur 19:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thats the first page of the category done, there was a few orphaned images which may get deleted, but I think the rest are all tagged with fair use rationales. Pokesaur 19:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Individual Pokémon Pages and Template:Pokerefs
It suddenly has come to my attention that several, if not all, of the individual pages for Pokémon have been using the complicated Pokerefs template. I recently fixed the pages for Dragonair and Dragonite, but there is no way that a single person can fix all of these pages. The template is as follows:

Where is the first letter of the name of the Pokémon capitalized (eg: P for Pikachu),  is the first letter of the name in lower case (eg: p for Pikachu),  is the rest of the name in lower case (eg: ikachu for Pikachu), and  is the number in the National Pokédex (eg: 025 for Pikachu).

If one were to edit the Pikachu page to fix the template, it would look like such when editing the page:

P

As I said, this is more than one Wikipedian can do on his own, and I thought it was best to introduce this to the PCP community. Ryulong 19:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * We use it... H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 20:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I can see that it is used, but on the pages I looked through today it wasn't being used right. I see that some pages have it set up correctly, but there are still others that lack the implimentation of the subst of the Template. Ryulong 21:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It’s not the subst that’s important, though that would certainly help keep it from being accidentally editted. The most important thing, though, is that the parameters be filled in. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll easily help, I noticed it wasn't substeded on every article yet. See Special:Wahtlinkshere/Template:Pokerefs for a list of pages I Love Minun  (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * ILM misspelled Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Pokerefs, and I'm unsure if I'm allowed to correct a spelling mistake in somebody else's message, so I put it here. Anyway, I never really noticed this heading, but now I will go start adding this onto the pages. I'll start with Bulbasaur and work my way down the Pokédex by National dex number.   PCEevee  talk  16:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * ?It just occurred to me that the what links here page is only for templates that do not have the "subst:" before them. The templates that have the "subst:" (which is what we should be using) would not show up on that page, so checking "what links here" would be as useless as a Splash attack.   PCEevee  talk  16:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I must have confused myself about 133 times with this, but I think I understand it now. I apologize for any inconvienience this may have caused...  PCEevee  talk  19:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I went through the First Generation and added the template to all of the pages that lacked it in the References section. (First Generation done)   PCEevee  talk  00:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I started adding it to pages, I taked a break, and when I went back, it was suddenly added to every page, wierd I Love Minun  (talk) 18:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was my doing. One night, I went through every Pokémon article and filled the parameters of the template, then substituted it.  Someone even contacted me through my talk page because of the edits I did. Ryulong 08:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Max (Pokémon)
Max's article makes the baby Jesus cry. Could someone who has watched more of the AG series (meaning: not me) please rewrite it to make it less of a trainwreck? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I reommend choosing Max as the next focus article. Thoughts? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll do it soon, I managed to even dig up a Ralts/Max screenshot on Snorunt. Easy, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

EVs
Should we make an EVs (Effort Values) guide? I myself am not experinced in this, but maybe someone is? Master Mew 21:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, nope, nadah. We ain't a fan-guide y'all. Hmm, I wonder if Snoop Dog actually uses wikipedia? : P H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 22:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Question: I may be stupid, but what is an Effort Values guide? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * A guide to effort values. :P http://serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Master Mew (talk • contribs).

They're extra stats that a Pokémon gains when battling other Pokémon, and are an important mechanic of the game; unconfirmed by Nintendo. I think we need to include them somewhere, like perhaps an article called 'Game mechanics of the Pokémon video games' or something--XenoN e on (converse) 16:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is emphatically not the place to describe the inner mechanics of the Pokémon games; any such guide would be a game guide of use only to those seeking instructuin, making it something Wikipedia is not. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people would like information on Ev's. I have just come into it myself and I believe that Wikipedia would benifit with such a page! Erupting Turtle


 * Then go to Serebii, or WikiKnowledge, not here. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 12:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Would Wikibooks admit a Pokémon tip book? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 20:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, all the pokemon stuff there got moved to wikiknowledge.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * We have something at WikiKnowledge I think. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 20:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

About the Portal
This is just getting ridiculous. I've dug up two free-for-use Pokémon-related images: Image:Pokeicon.gif and Image:Ana.b747.pokemon.arp.750pix.jpg. I suggest we put up the pokeicon on the portal permanently. But pictures or no pictures, the portal MUST continue. So HighwayCello, get back to work. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And I took pictures of my Pikachu, Charmander and Bulbasaur which are free. --Cel es tianpower háblame 10:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case, upload them for use in the portal. (By the way, I'd almost forgotten you existed.) The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have, they're included in the aforementioned articles. --Cel es tianpower háblame 12:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I did ask if people wanted me to keep going and no one replied. I'm not psychic. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 18:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For heaven's sake, any guy on the street would say that if we're not deleting the portal (which, of course, we're not) we might as well continue it. Especially as the 'news' section hasn't been updated for about three months. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's more work than you think. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 07:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case, at least update the news once in a while. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 08:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

About shipping
A paragraph from May (Pokémon):
 * It is believed that May might have a crush on Ash. This is probably because they are not only the same age(15 to 16), but because May has always been very supportive of Ash and she has always been there for him. For example, in the episode where Ash challenged Norman for a Gym Badge, May was cheering for Ash more than for her own father. Ash and May may begin a romantic relationship in seasons 8, 9, or 10(It has been hinted several times in the 7th season).

Does anyone mind if I delete this and state May is 11 years old now? I just thought I'd put this up, as May's Talk Page has recently taken to looking suspiciously similar to a Shipping Forum. Admin Celestianpower, you need to look over the Talk Page once and shut the stupid shippers up. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 10:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Is anyone listening?? Now someone's even added a "Romantic Relationships" section to Ash Ketchum. That does it, I'm going on an Edit Crusade against shipping. (Trumpets blare.) For truth, for justice, for verifiability... The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sourcing is all those articles need...--XenoN e on (converse) 11:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * And sourcing is precisely what they don't have. I've deleted a lot of the shipping stuff and added to the rest. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

A couple new articles I spotted
List of Pokemon Terrorist Groups(!) and Your Rival need better titles, categories, and, eventually, some sort of rewrite or merge. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Your Rival contains no reference to Pokémon atall. You definitely need to merge it, and if not at least making it more Pokémonish. List of Pokémon Terrorist groups needs to be a subsection in List of characters in the Pokémon anime or something along the lines......--XenoN e on (converse) 11:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Your Rival has been duplicated as Rival(Pokemon). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved List of Pokemon terrorist groups to List of Pokémon Terrorist Groups The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Viridian City article/Viridian (disambiguation)
This may be slightly off-topic, but there is no Viridian City article. As far as I know, Celadon City has one. There is also a need for a Viridian (disambiguation). Could someone tackle that? -Tracker 04:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit: There is an article, it just needs to be linked from Viridian. -Tracker 04:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Linked. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Trainer's Ages
A paragraph from Ash Ketchum: "Ash's current age is debatable. Things that characters say in from the show and even a promo have led the majority fans to believe that Ash is currently 15 years of age in the U.S.; 16 years of age in Japan. But, in Eruope he is believed to be 17 years of age and 18 years of age in Canada." Despite the flames I received, any amateur can see this doesn't make sense. Even if you would say Ash was 15 in the U.S.A. and 16 in Japan (which there is absolutely zero proof to either of those claims), the U.S. and Canada dub is the same, meaning Ash would be the same age in those two countries at least. Then as for May, every 5 minutes it gets edited to nonsense like: "May says she's 10. Ash, on the other hand, would probably be around 15 or 16 years of age. Therefore, it's evident that Ash and May may not be the same age. However, May might have missaid her own age, probably because she was thinking of her little brother, Max, who would get his Pokémon licence at that age. But this is yet to be clarified, since May should have gotten her Pokémon long ago if she's the same age as Ash." But supposedly "That was NOT vandalism" and "your deductions are [not] needed in an encyclopedic article AT ALL." Brock0820 23:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Right, time doesn't really pass in the Pokémon anime (according to Pokémon.com), so Ash is stil 10, and May is still 10, the age they first appeared in the show. If you go by the tournaments, Ash would be around 13/14 (depends how ahead you are on the show) since he's been in the Indigo, Orange Island, Johto and Hoenn tournaments, which are annual. Regardless I've yet to see Tony Blair discuss Britain's stanse on it. Since May has appeared in one tournament (Grand Festival), she should be around 11/12 (depending on how you ahead you are with the anime). But officially, they don't age. Cheers, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 18:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC) 07:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Does it still say that on Pokemon.com? Where? I know it used to. They DO offically age in Japan. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 20:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I read it on the Ash Ketchum talk page. Do you have anything thoughts about the characters ages? I'm guessing Max is about eightish, if he was nine, he would probably have turned ten somewhere in the Hoenn series and kept Ralts or Mightyena or Jirachi or Shuppet. Yeah, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 20:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Why bother mentioning specific ages at all? There are conflicting sources (none of which are the primary source), the ages never come up but in a general way (e.g. Ash is clearly a youth, Brock is clearly an adult, etc.), and it's going to be a never-ending edit war to include them.

How do the articles benefit from including this trivia? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Content from Bulbapedia
Just a friendly reminder people. Please do not use articles from Bulbagarden's Bulbapedia as the basis for your articles. I'm sad to say that we've recently caught someone lifting our episode pages (and possibly others, we're going to have to go through their edit history in detail), and I've had reports it has happened on other occasions as well with other pages/users. We've managed to not step on each others toes up until now, and I'd like to keep it that way, so it'd be appreciated if you could all just be that extra little bit careful, and check each other's work, just to make sure we don't get any further situations like this. Likewise, if you've heard any reports of Wikipedia articles being copied onto Bulbapedia, please inform either myself, Zhen Lin or evkl, and we'll correct the offending page as soon as possible. -- Archaic, Bulbagarden.net Webmaster, a.k.a. Mukashi 16:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Pokemon.com
I don't go to Pokemon.com too often, but this article needs cleanup. It needs MUCH more content. Should I just AFD it? I would, but, I don't wanna do something wrong. So, any input? Master Mew 00:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Link to wikibooks on Pokémon infobox
Just to let you all know, I removed the link to Wikibooks from the Pokémon infobox. I left a note on the templates talk page. Gerard Foley 09:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Why is it being deleted? Huh? --Cel es tianpower háblame 10:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Because it's a guide on a video game. They are all being deleted on Jimbo's orders. Gerard Foley 10:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking. Can we see any evidence of this, no offence but I don't see what harm we are doing. And I thought wikipedia was a community, I know Jimbo is in charge, but we aren't in a dictatorship. (I don't disrespect Jimbo, I just don't fall into line particularly easy ;). H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 21:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Wikibooks Pokédex has already been deleted, go and see for your self! Wikibooks Pokédex The other video game guides will be gone soon; a lot all ready are! Gerard Foley 21:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's just been moved to WikiKnowledge, right? So why can't we link to the WikiKnowledge Pokédex now?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 12:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's my website, so it's not appropriate for me to change the link (although I did do it on Sonic 3 and some other pages). So instead I simply removed it. However there is nothing to stop other people from changing it if they want. Gerard Foley 15:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought game-related content from Wikibooks was being moved to StrategyWiki? Why did the Pokédex go to WikiKnowledge instead?


 * Because I took it, that's why. I moved the game guides I wrote to my own site such as Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic R etc.. however I can't take the other books because my wiki is public domain. The Wikibooks Pokédex is nothing but a collection of facts, so it's not eligible for copyright and was therefore already Public Domain, so I grabbed it. Gerard Foley 20:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon Adoption Center 2
The Pokémon character articles suck. Would you like to help improve them? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ooh, shiny. I'll join, since I'm being pulled always anyway. Oh and the Max wikitable has been banished (alongside things like "Max used Munchlax for 10 seconds - OMG!!!!". Yeah, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 09:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Now that I've got it properly started...

All members of this project are invited to join Pokémon Adoption Center 2, a new subproject devoted to cleaning up the various articles on the Pokémon character articles. The sorry state of many of these articles reflects poorly on this project, and I hoped a subproject devoted to cleanup and improvement of Pokémon articles might help in this respect.

If you're interested, take a look at WP:PAC2 and add a new header with your username to the Participants section. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The WikiKnowledge Pokédex
Now that the Pokédex has moved to my wiki, it looks like it's under my care (until others start signing up to help), but I just want to know what all the "Base Stats", "Max Stats" and "Effort Points" table is all about. What does it all mean? Gerard Foley 12:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Stats are like the group term for all of the Pokémon's power and defense. An example of a stat is Special Attack, the higher a Pokémon's special attack is, the stronger it's special type attacks (like Fire, Water and Electric attacks) will be. The current stats are (more could be introduced) -


 * Attack
 * Defense
 * Special Attack
 * Special Defense
 * Speed
 * Defense and Special and like Attack and Special Attack reversed, the higher the Defense, the less damage they will take from a regular attack (like Normal, Rock and Steel attacks). Other stats which are unofficial ones, they're hidden but still affect the game are - Accuracy and Evasion. Abilities can also hinder or help stats.


 * Base Stats are the stats that a Pokémon will have at the lowest level (usually around level 5). Max Stats are the stats that a Pokémon will have a the highest level (level 100). Effort Points (also Experience points) are points won in battle that, when accumulated, will allow Pokémon to go up levels, and in turn evolve. Hope I've helped, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 12:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

A little, where did all this information come from in the first place? Gerard Foley 13:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's common knowledge, you'd have to cite the games/strategy guides. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 13:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Ptcg
I noticed User:Alvin6226 was uploading lots of images from one site (all the wonderful TCG pics we have, thanks Alvin) so I started to write the pages with a decent summary and fair use rationales. After about 4 in I noticed that the only thing changed in the text I was writing was the name of the character in the pic. By figuring this out, I've created this template, which produces all the writing for the TCG images to be decent.

All you have to do is edit the page, wipe it blank, add article name (replacing the ital with the name of the character) and save. Voila, you get a fully completed page. Cheers, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposition
I have a new proposal for the Pokémon Collaborative Project, in regard to references, FAC and GAs. The aim of this proposal, if voted into use, is to increase the effort of the PCP community to help one another, as well as to increase the quality of the article we as a project we produce.

The proposal would introduce 2 new features to the PCP, an area where new Pokémon editors could ask for help about referencing, like the ins-and-outs, as well formatting and choosing reliable sources. Other editors who are unsure of this can also leave a note of articles that are textually solid, but require referencing. This could help the future set of Pokémon editors learn new techniques, not just for Pokémon articles, but all. Another outcome of this is that more articles can be nominated for FA and GA, since there are many articles that could pass GA now if they had the references, which aren't particularly hard to find. (Examples of these articles include Squirtle, Clefairy and Sudowoodo).

My second part of the proposal is to set up a group of editors familiar with the FAC process who could brush up on potential articles for FAC, and also nominate the articles on behalf of the PCP, allowing candidacies to focus on the article, rather than the candidate. This group would also help answer questions in the FACs, explaining and expanding on the points and questions of other editors. They could also look at objections of failed FACs, and turn these articles into FAs. The benefits of this proposal are that FACs get the group attention they deserve, and reviewers are forced to review, rather than judge on who nominated the article.

If there isn't any major hissing and booing to either of these proposals, I'll start up a poll, or would it just be better with discussed consensus? The ideas mainly came to me today when I saw the Clefairy article, which I am in the process of referencing, and I thought, "Someone's put a tonne of work into this, if they had known what to do, everyone would have known about it." The second proposal is something I've theorizing for a while, partly because whenever an FAC is nominated, it doesn't feel like any member of the PCP is there for support, partly to help culminate more FAs, and partly because, I'm sorry to say, I feel that the Torchic FAC has turned into nothing more than a mockery of the FAC system, and that I myself will never be able to pass the article to FA standard because of who I am in the community. Thank you for reading and regards, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 20:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Images
I've noticed that there are some images that either need deleted or updated with the new versions. Anyway,


 * Persian.png over Image:053.jpg
 * Cleffa.png overImage:Cleffa.gif
 * Weedle.png over Image:Weedle.jpg
 * Caterpie.png over Image:Caterpie.gif
 * Cacturne.png over Image:Cacturne.gif
 * Beedrill.png over Image:Beedrill.png

Cheers, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 12:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Finished. Alvin6226 03:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the Portal??
One day it's bright pink, the next day it's bright red, and no mention on the Talk Page? Whoa. By the way, can whoever did that even change the color of the pokeinfobox and the Pokémoncharacterinfobox ?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh, now it's pink again. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 10:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * ILoveMinun changed it to red against consensus, I reverted. That's all. --Cel es tianpower háblame 11:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Shocker. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 11:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The pink layout's getting old, plus, its too female. If you think it should be changed, lets hold a vote.

'Change means you should change it. Keep means leave it the way it is.

The voting system can be held at Wikipedia talk:Pokémon_Collaborative_Project I   Love   Minun  15:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You do realise it has been pink for quite a while, and the red looks incredibly tacky? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Portal Layout
The pink layouts getting old, it should be changed, write your comments below.

Chnage means change Keep means to keep the old layout. I  Love   Minun  15:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Change The pink layout is too female, we should let other users decide any colours. I would suggest Red and White, but you can suggest whatever you want. I   Love   Minun  15:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep It's fine, it's neutral and the red looks tacky. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 16:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to seem in grateful my overlord, but yeah I can. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be red. It can be any colour the other users choose. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iloveminun (talk • contribs).
 * No, pink's fine. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 20:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - per precident and the tackiness of red. --Cel es tianpower háblame 22:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - "Never fix something that isn't broken." PCEevee 00:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Pink is a female color? Since when are do we add colors to genders? I use pink and it's perfectly cool. Alvin6226 talk 00:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment When we started fixing the layout of the Pokémon pages from the Wikibooks Pokédex, a light green color was chosen for the infoboxes. Have a look. I like this color, having said that, the old pink color isn't actually broken. If it's not broke, don't fix it! Gerard Foley 01:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's... really dodgy. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 08:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What!? Gerard Foley 15:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I refuse to become a Quality Street sweet that old people like, personally. We should respect the Japanese WikiProject's decision, and to consistency. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, we use pink because we inherited it from our parent project, the Japan WP. We've been using pink since the Pokédex project. I don't see any reason to change. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Change. Save the pink for the Shipping Portal or something like that. Red and White's the color of a PokéBall; it's the color people associate with Pokémon. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 14:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Caption on Image:Plusle and Minun.jpg
There is a discussion going on for the caption on the below image

Image:Plusle and Minun.jpg

The discussion is at Talk:Minun, please write your comments on what you think would be a good caption, more details are mentioned on that page. Thanks, I Love Minun  (talk) 18:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I need help
I need help, im putting up PCP and talkheader to the talk page of every signle Pokémon article, but it will take a long time unless I get help from others, so please help, thanks. For quickness, create a user subpage and type:

substed it onto the talk pages (It must be substeded)

I Love Minun (talk) 19:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest you find a user who has the Auto Wiki Browser; it's a piece of software which automatically does this sort of thing for you. smurrayinch e  ster(User), (Talk) 20:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Lucario toy copyright issues
I went to fast, and now it's giving me issues. Can someone help? Starmenclock 21:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've done my best, here. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 21:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Q about Mudkip
Hello everyone. I have been working on Mudkip for a week or so now, and would like to know how I've done so far. Any comments?-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 19:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...looks pretty good. I found a few spelling errors, but I fixed them for you.  I just think some more information is necessary for the animé (How has it been useful to Brock?) and the trading card game (Has it ever been heavily used in organized play?)  Otherwise, I have no other problems.   PCEevee  talk  21:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Johto and Hoenn Pokédex numbers
Please empty the johtonumber, johtoproceeding, and johtofollowing parameters for Pokeinfobox for Pokémon with Johto numbers greater than 251, as any higher numbers are fanon extrapolation. Likewise, please do the same with the hoenn* parameters for Pokémon with Hoenn numbers higher than 202, as these numbers are also fanon extrapolation. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * All of the Hoenn dex numbers higher than 202 for the first generation have been removed. (First Generation done) PCEevee  talk  01:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * All of the Hoenn dex numbers higher than 202 for the second generation have been removed. (Second Generation done) PCEevee  talk  02:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * All of the Johto dex numbers higher than 251 for the third generation have been removed. (Third Generation done)  Therefore, the task is complete.   PCEevee  talk  12:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you muchly. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Expanded and modified Pokemon Dash article
I just modified and expanded the Pokémon Dash! article. Tell me if it needs anything more.

PS: I need the Multiplayer only courses. Starmenclock 23:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

PCP template
What's the deal with all of the seiyū pages suddenly being part of the PCP? I could understand if they did Pokemon voice overs almost exclusively, most of these only do Pokemon as a very tiny part of their overall work. That hardly qualifies them to be part of PCP. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  01:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to remove the template from any page where you think it's inappropriate. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I was mainly just curious since broadening the scope of PCP to include everyone who has ever voiced a Pokemon character makes the project unecessarily larger. It seems that all it does is make all the members of the project have to work harder with the increased number of articles to work on. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  03:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not like we're claiming to own them or anything. If someone knowledgeable about the voice cast can help those articles, by all means we'll do what we can to help. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I was just curious. No worries. (^_^) ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  03:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just told someone to help put the template on pages. I didn't know he had put it on the wrong pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iloveminun (talk • contribs).

DANGER!!! PORTAL VANDALIZED!!!!
Some weirdo vandalized the Portal. Can someone fix that asap??? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 08:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's been fixed. Never mind. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 13:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't believe you blamed me, I thought you were a good user as well, to prove its not me, check the history I Love Minun  (talk) 15:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool people! No "it was him", and no "you suck!"! H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, you're wrong if you think I'm gonna side with either Highway or ILM. Keep your rivalry to yourselves, guys. And Vandalism can be accidental ILM, and I gather that you keep fiddling with the Portal, even though you don't know much about the Templates. Of course, I may be wrong. And as for the Portal's Edit History, it shows neither the vandalism nor the reversion, goodness knows how. And hey-- who edited my message? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to mediate, not fight. Could you point out any ILM hatred there? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Question: Why do you turn up wherever ILM is? Stop stalking the guy, for heaven's sake. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 16:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't be making such "stalking" accusations. - T e tsuya-san (talk : contribs) 11:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You are right. Im trying to avoid fighting. I've put a notice in A Man In Black's user page to get it semi-protected, because the people who added the comments are just IP Addresses so they won't be able to edit semi-protected pages. I've also added a comment (The kind of comments that only appear in the edit page, not the actual page) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iloveminun (talk • contribs).
 * Shouldn't be making "Stalking" accusations? Have you checked out User:HighwayCello/Minun? That's fit to be a CIA Criminal Record. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have every right to keep a record of accusations made against me, any attack made against me can be quashed by that information. This has nothing to do with potal vandalism, it wasn't Iloveminun, it isn't his IP. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't cite that page to source my accusation of ILM, I used it to source my "stalking" claim. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 16:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats history I Love Minun  (talk) 18:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please remember to assume good faith, please :). &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 18:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I was assuming good faith. ILM seems to think that this was the vandalism I meant, but the vandalism I was talking about occurred on 6 June 2006 and, somehow, doesn't show up on the Edit History. It involved the subpages being merged into a random cluster of boxes, and I thought ILM accidentally did that while experimenting with the Portal templates. Does that clear things up? Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 05:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll reply after I find the vandalism. Have you thought that maybe the person is a bot, if so, it doesn't sound good. I hope its not as if it is, it will be impossible to report it. I Love Minun  (talk) 16:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hang on-- it's just occurred to me that it might have ben a server error, not vandalism. I've been getting the Wikipedia Server Error Page a lot of times while editing pages since 7 June. Anyway, it says something like "Wikipedia encountered an error while trying to process your request. Hopefully, this error is temporary and will soon be fixed." So, one day I encounter mysterious vandalism, and the next day I start getting Server Error messages? Some coincidence. Anyway, no one here seems to have reverted it, and the Portal definitely was OK when I checked a few hours later, so it has to be a server error. In that case, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've started getting it as well I Love Minun  (talk) 18:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
Team Rocket (anime) is needing cleanup, please help by cleaning it up.

I Love Minun (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Unanswered Question
I had a question on the Raikou article that I put on the talk page long ago, and it's still unanswered. Would someone here be so kind as to research it for my own personal curiousity? Thanks! Niki Whimbrel 18:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Skarmblissing
I added a paragraph about Skarmblissing in Skarmory's entry, considering that Skarmory and Blissey are commonly seen together was this worth noting? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alakazam9891 (talk • contribs).

Edit: Just noticed that the Blissey page has a section on it, I'll copy and paste it over and edit it accordingly to Skarmory. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alakazam9891 (talk • contribs).


 * Is breeding itself and what Pokémon can breed of such notability? If "Hot Skitty and Wailord action" is referenced in an article, maybe this would be allowed as well, but it does sound like something trivial. - T e tsuya-san (talk : contribs) 11:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't even bother... it'll get deleted. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The portal
just thought I'd let you guys know... The selected pokemon of the week hasn't been updated in a month. I would update it myself, but I'm not sure to use one of the ones listed in the June section or add the one that was supposed to come after squirtle.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 18:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * How do we go about picking the pokemon of the week? Is it a random thing or do we vote? If we vote, I'd like someone used and recognizable in the games.. Toastypk 01:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like it's random. Sometimes, we usually jot our focus Pokémon article in it. - T e tsuya-san (talk : contribs) 07:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Pokemon of the week"? "The week" was removed from the title ages ago, precisely due to shoddy maintenance. In any case, yeah, it has been a while, but I think we should wait until we've finished with Marshtomp, and then put it out there. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 08:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well yes, but there are already pages listed to be put in the Portal. So shouldn't we use those now?-- A  c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 11:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Already pages listed? Where? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 12:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The future planned listing would be right here. The next one on the list is Umbreon.   PCEevee  talk  12:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, what PCEevee said.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 13:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What?! It's ALL out there?? Okay, get to work, put Umbreon on the Portal. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 14:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * done-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 14:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, on behalf of every guy on PCP who's too lazy to type a thank-you comment. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the waiting time of 1 hour and 46 minutes before latching a comment on all PCP members for that. Honestly, the comments need to stop. - T e tsuya-san (talk : contribs) 22:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, It wouldn't really have mattered to me if someone had said thanks or not... But seriosly, insulting people=bad.  Insulting your teammates(PCP members)=real bad.-- A  c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 23:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Now people, was that so hard? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, no offence meant. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Adding DP pokemon to List_of_Pokemon_by_name
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_name Is that ok? Maybe not in the by-number list, since we dont know their numbers, but definately by name. Toastypk 01:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Help with mudkip
Hey everyone. I think the mudkip article is almost a good article, but with one problem-the "In the Anime" section. I don't watch the anime, so could someone who does expand that for me? A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 14:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, i'll help. I Love Minun  (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've done it, i've expaned the anime part, it now explains more detailed information on what happened in the episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iloveminun (talk • contribs).

WARNING: Image:Pikachu plastic toy.JPG for deletion
User:N. Harmonik has requested Image:Pikachu plastic toy.JPG for speedy deletion. I disagree with this deletion, so please write comments below. They say that its copyright vialation, but it seems more like the Bulbasaur Toy image. Thanks, I Love Minun  (talk) 15:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I found out that it was actually someone else, must have been a bot I Love Minun  (talk) 18:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Having talked to experienced commons members on the IRC channel, I have removed the speedy tag. "It's legal, or at least acceptable, until someone complains" (German copyright law). I've added artistic interpretation to it, so the copyright lies with me. &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 21:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There is currently a deletion discussion going on at commons:Template:Deletion requests for both the Bulbasaur toy and the Pikachu toy.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: from what the guys there are telling me, basically anything that is a picture or a drawing of a copyrighted character is copyright of the copyright holder of the character in question.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 22:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Which is as stupid and pointless as all hell. Toastypk 03:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * But it's true.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 21:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Certificates
You can now award certificates to other users using

Username

I Love Minun (talk) 19:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's kind of... BIG. Alvin6226 talk 19:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * And tacky, in my opinion. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've recued the size, and I was awarded the certificate for making the certificate 81.158.162.78 19:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Quit evading your block. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Spriting
Hey, I was browsing the spriting article, and it links to a Pokemon fansite, called the Cave of Dragonflies. It is not based on Spriting, and I don't think that it is appropriate for that article. Thouh it does refer to Butterfree, the owner of the site, as a very good Pokemon spriter, it looks to me as if it was someone from PMF (Pokemo Mutation Factory). --207.255.19.93 19:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:PCP/DO
I've created a open tasks page for any miscellaneous tasks to be posted for editors to do. Full link here. Harmonious editting, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It takes a project to raise a portal
If anyone knows of any good Pokémon articles that we could display on the portal? By good I mean not stub, and by good I mean not how many attacks it can learn from the Emerald Battle Frontier tutor. If you have any suggestions (new ones please, I know we should celebrate our accomplishments, but Squirtle, Torchic and Bulbasaur have all been on since I've done it, give the starters a rest?) please leave them here, or below. Regards, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

XD
I found this and just laughed, I specifically liked the "I can't remember which" bit. ;) Has anyone came across similar stuff? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 21:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't say I have, though nothing beats A Man In Black's Danish Blue cheese. We rarely get funny vandalisms. Erik the Appreciator 01:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

banners
Please leave the WP:CVG banner on the talk pages. They automatically classify an article for the Wikipedia 1.0 project. If you could put  back on any pages that they have been removed from, that would be appreciated. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 07:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Pokeinfobox
In regards to Template:Pokeinfobox, does anyone prefer the older version? I agree with removing some of the fannish sections, but I preferred the older design. Thoughts? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 21:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Discussion on this topic is ongoing at Template talk:Pokeinfobox. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Gym leaders
Question: Why do the Kanto Gym Leaders all get their own page, while the Johto and Hoenn ones get a "list of" page? I don't mind the lsit of pages, but I woudl like to see some consistency. Hbdragon88 01:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Only because they haven't been merged yet. Feel free to make List of Kanto Gym Leaders and merge all but Brock, Misty, and Giovanni there. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, it is a bit wierd, lets get to it Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 19:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've done it, feel free to add images or add extra details about the characters. Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 19:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Can someone add the infoboxes? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and what about the anime?? Daisy, Lily and Violet needs to be merged; a bit of info about Flint (Brock's dad) needs to be added. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would gladyly add the infoboxes Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 14:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like they've already been added Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 14:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

CoolKatt number 99999, Pokémon, and Pokémon (anime)
Please keep an eye on Pokémon and Pokémon (anime). CoolKatt number 99999 is trying to reinsert the godawful and wholly unencyclopedic trivia from the recently-deleted Cultural references in Pokémon into each article, often without placing them in context or giving any source (other than links to the top pages of Serebii, Bulbagarden, or TV.com). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it copyright violation your talking abou? Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 19:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's just a lump of unencyclopedic trivia from a deleted article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'd be happy to watch it every once in a while to make sure it doesn't happen again Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 14:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Characters' Pokémon
In the parts of an article where it talks about a particular characters Pokémon, the images and text are all muddled up, I think we should fix that be placing it all in tables, like this

{|

Pokémon Name
{|
 * }

Another Pokémon
because theres like an image, with half of text of the Pokémon thats in the image, and half of a different Pokémon, there should be like a line of images, and a line of text. I would also recommend the images are at the same side, because it still looks wierd if there not. Poke Master (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * }

Images needed
We need an image of Kyo, one of Janine and one of Blue for List of Kanto Gym Leaders Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 19:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Major addition
I think we should expand the anime and manga section as we pass Pokémon articles. I mean like for episodes where the Pokémon the article is talking about is the main Pokémon, we should expand it to tell everyone what happened in the episode, write your comments below. Poke Master (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused as to what you mean. Do you mean when we work on articles a particular species of Pokémon, such as Makuhita, that we should include more in the species article about its appearance in the anime and manga?  Or do you mean as we expand the species articles, should we expand anime articles by including the same information from the species articles?  Maybe it's just me, I don't know.  Please elaborate on what you said.  PCEevee  talk  17:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Your mostly right, I mean that when we update Pokémon articles, we add more information about what happened in the episode (anime) or chapter (manga) if the Pokémon were talking about is the main Pokémon in the episode or chapter Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 18:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, we are definitely for that. Actually, that is one of the necessary components to make a species article into a GA or an FA.   PCEevee  talk  18:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article
I'd like to help get an article to featured status, but I don't know which article to work on, if you have any ideas, please let me know Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Pokémon would be a great choice :). &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 15:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, i'll try that Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon for featured status
The article Pokémon is now a featured article candidate, and may become a featured article. Please vote at Featured article candidates/Pokémon. I hope that the vote goes well, and the article will succeed. Poke Master (Talk &bull; Contribs) 19:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

New manga template
I've created a new template for manga characters. Feel free to modify it and improve it. Poke Master (Talk &bull; Contribs) 19:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A link would be helpful. Alvin6226 talk 00:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I found it here, though its title might be a bit too vague: Template:Manga characters  PCEevee  <sup style="color:brown;">talk  02:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That reminds me, we still don't have an article on Emerald. Any volunteers? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 08:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The title is too vague. It also appears misleading - the link listed is for the magna, which appears entirely separate from the Pokémon Adventures characters (whcih were all listed in the template).  I've moved it to Pokémon Adventures and added some more code to make it look better. Hbdragon88 00:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Attack list AfD
I’ll mention this here also, as it already has a distressing number of delete votes. List of Pokémon attacks is on AfD. See the discussion here. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 02:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's distressing at all, for the reasons mentioned in my nomination. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think your nomination is evidence enough of that. Be that as it may, I disagree and I find it in extremely poor taste that you didn’t notify this wikiproject of something so majorly impacting Pokémon-related information on the Wikipedia. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 02:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually Cel and you cover that sort of thing. I'm not a big fan of AFD noticeboards. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Pokémon images
Someone removed the thumbnails. Do you think we should have thumbnails, or just links to the image? Poke Master (Talk &bull; Contribs) 11:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's easier to navigate with links, though.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 13:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * … Of course you can't have the thumbnails. You can't have fair use images outside the normal article namespaces. - T e tsuya-san (talk : contribs) 09:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Tyson (Pokémon)
I started an new article, but the section about Tyson's Pokémon needs to be Wikified, any volunteers. Also, someone should start an article on Morrison (Pokémon) Poke Master  (Talk &bull; Contribs) 15:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * WHAT THE BLAZIKEN??!! You can't just whip up an article for every other Pokémon character! AfD. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio at Pokémon, I Choose You!
I've tagged it as copyvio, since only two paragraphs of it weren't copyied from bulbapedia. Even the infobox was copied!-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 23:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * THAT INFOBOX"S A COPY?? Blimey, it appears on EVERY episode article!! The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Is anyone listening here? That means that every single episode article we have might have been lifted from Bulbapedia. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh noes! We'll have to delete them all. What a dreadful pity. Oh well, we'll get over it. &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 15:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe if we come across a Pokémon episode, we can compare it to Bulbapedia and check to make sure its not copyvio. If it is, it will probably be the same person so check the history every time. Thanks --Pokesaur 15:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should just not have articles about Pokémon anime episodes. Hey! That's an idea, and it might just work... &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 19:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's another idea- We have articles about only the major Episodes (like this one). But first, All the copyvio pages need to be replaced with New rewritings.-- A  c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 21:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I have summarily deleted the infobox and all of its subboxes as copyvio. Don't do this again. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hoennshipping
Hey guys. I was going to tag this article with prod, but decided I'd better see If others agree with me. So, anyone agree?-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 17:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting... delete. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I laughed at that. Alvin6226 talk 21:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't even know what shipping is, and the article doesn't explain. Delete. smurrayinch e  ster(User), (Talk) 21:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Shipping in general is when fans of a series think that two people should have a romantic relationship together. In this case, it's between Brendan and May. Obviously it's fancruft.  Delete.   PCEevee  <sup style="color:brown;">talk  23:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's quite well written parts, it's like writing fan fiction, so I understood it. Can we send it to BJAON? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 07:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I know, that's what I was thinking. Go WP:BJAODN! Hbdragon88 21:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon Episodes
I think we should create articles about Pokémon episodes, because List_of_Pokémon_episodes links to articles about individual Pokémon episodes. The articles seems to be abandones, so we should help create them. COmments will be appreciated, thanks --Pokesaur 15:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I also have a few tips on what we can have:
 * An events section, a list of main events in the episode
 * A characters section, a list of the main characters in the episode
 * A storyline, the main part, what happens in the episode Pokesaur 19:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No, no, no, no, NO! Episode guides are non-encyclopedaic, trivial and worthless. While Wiki is not paper, they waste disk space and slow the servers. It's unnecessary and futile. Please, please don't create these articles. Thanks! &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 19:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Im just saying because there are existing Pokémon episodes created by other users at Category:Pokémon episodes, should we delete those? Pokesaur 19:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If I had my way, we would, but AfD is getting lighter and lighter these days. They have to stay or be merged but 2 wrongs don't make a right. &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 19:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Many The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, and Arrested Development pages have their own, separate episode articles. You're swimming against the tide of these articles. Hbdragon88 01:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They mostly have these articles because the support for them is unified and the opposition is not, plus it's a lot harder to stop something from being added or delete it after the fact than it is to ignore it. I'm willing to set a precedent by saying, "No, this isn't appropriate for Wikipedia, starting with the Pokémon anime," but I don't have to, since they're all copyvio anyway and can be deleted at my leisure. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I am deleting, as blatant copyvio, any episode pages that are blatantly copied from Bulbapedia. This has gone on long enough, and Bulbapedia has asked us to remove them, repeatedly. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Something that happened in my game the other day
I know We're only supposed to talk about wikipedia-related stuff here, but I just had put this somewhere. So anyways, I was fishing for carvahna with my good rod, and a gold magikarp showed up. I ended up KO'ing it though. Anybody else have an experience where they Ko'ed a shiny?-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 22:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Always have False Swipe with you...I breeded FS onto a Shroomish and now have a powerful Spore/False Swipe Breloom that's perfect for catching nearly every Pokémon. And no, I've never encountered a shiny, but I have heard numerous stories of people running into shiny Lairons and Haryimas, only to be blown away by Whirlwind or Roar. Hbdragon88 01:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

July roll call
The list of members on the front page is getting REALLY long, so let's weed it a little. It's time for a roll call. If you're still interested in working on this project's articles (even if you're not doing so right now; I'm just removing people who aren't active on WP or aren't interested any more), please sign below.

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 * 1) - A Man In Bl♟ck  (conspire | past ops) 00:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) - Erik the Appreciator 00:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) - Toastypk 01:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) - Hbdragon88 01:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)