Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 5

Archiving
I notices that the page was getting bigger than the prefered size, so I decided to archive it. If there are any comments which were still in use, please revive them from the archive, cheers  Minun  (talk) 10:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Started new Future Focus articles. Alvin6226 talk 23:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, feel free to restore the existing discussion from the archive  Minun   (マイナン)  10:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Its been restored, feel free to continue the discussion  Minun   (マイナン)  10:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Revived roll call. Alvin6226 talk 20:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Next Pokémon Creature Article

 * Blaziken looks like it needs some help. Alvin6226 03:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm, it is the weakest out of the Torchic line, but I'll probably clean up Combusken first. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 06:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Houndoom is utterly riddled with POV. It does have a nice line of Dobermann lighting effects though ; ) H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 13:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * !!! I was adding the tcg scans to each Pokémon when I came across Venonat. It looks horrible! Alvin6226 16:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * All the information is there, it's mostly formatting. I may pick one of these after I'm done with Combusken (haha it took a day, we just can't nominate for FA.. ever) so I'll move on. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 16:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not horrid anymore, right? Erik the Appreciator 19:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Makuhita This has been redone by myself and others. Erik the Appreciator 19:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Shuppet H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 08:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This I have revised as well. Erik the Appreciator 19:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Something inside me really wants to see Plusle become a good article. Perhaps it's the . (But it would be alanis if Minun became good first.) --Damian Yerrick (☎) 22:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They should both be good articles, it would be strange if one was good and the other wasn't.  Minun  (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Mew (Pokémon)--The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, just point out any problems with this article and I'll help you fix them.  Minun  (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Treecko-Compared to Mudkip and Torchic, It's fellow Hoenn starters it is horrible!-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 00:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone write an anime section and it'll be a GA within a week, we just lift the text from Torchic and Mudkip and changes a word here and there. ;) H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, the anime needs cleaning and the manga needs written, but it's good people. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * the anime section has already been written, do you think its good enough for GA yet, if not, please suggest improvements.  Minun  (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, write one. Ash has one, I think we pull out more than one sentence. And Wally has a Treecko in Pokémon Adventures, write about that. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Rapidash needs a little love. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, just point out any problems in this article  Minun  (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge "Appearance" with intro, cleanup the videogames, prose TCG, expand anime. If you check Eevee, a Rapidash appears in the same manga chapter, it has the same plot has the Rapidash race. Yeah, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've managed to do most of it, but there was a few parts I had trobule with. I hope my editing helps.  Minun  (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Linoone: Yikes, what the hell happened here!? Better check it out, folks. Erik the Appreciator 19:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's certainly interesting vandalism... H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Reverted, it's been sitting like that a week. The IP's been doing it to various articles, but he got reverted. But never warned. He is now the owner of a final warning, since I'm not in the charitable mood. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 19:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Zigzagoon - has good anime, pokédex and videogames, lacks TCG or manga. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about the manga, but I would be happy to help with the TCG section. <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;">(talk) 15:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Paras (Pokémon) *faints* H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 16:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, just point out any problems again. <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;">(talk) 17:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that page had a rather small amount of content. I'm improving parts of it, but I need help on the sections focusing on Paras' role in the Pokémon things I'm not into(the anime, manga, and card game) --RandomOrca2 04:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Cleffa
 * Clefable H ig hway Batman! 20:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ivysaur
 * Poliwhirl
 * Politoed
 * Poliwag H ig hway Batman! 20:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Bagon, lacking everything, including an image. H ig hway Batman! 23:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think that should be our next focused article <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  10:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It lacks everything, should be our next focused article <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  15:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hoppip
 * Skiploom
 * Jumpluff
 * Sunflora! Poor Sunflora! This article needs lots of work! I think I can do something about it, though. --Cherimu is beautiful! 19:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Aipom
 * Wooper H ig hway Batman! 19:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Charmeleon still marked as a stub &mdash; M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> Spiderman  19:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Quilava
 * Croconaw
 * Bayleef H ig hway Batman! 19:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Slowpoke : I'll get to rewriting this overly sectionalized mess sometime... Erik the Appreciator 18:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Seel
 * Krabby And these too. Erik the Appreciator 18:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say Skitty. Holy crap, it doesn't conform at all. XD Toastypk 20:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Flaaffy could really use some attention. If nobody else is particularly gonzo over it, I may revise and extend it in the next couple of days! --Chuchunezumi 07:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and reformatted the sections to meet the PCP standards. --Chuchunezumi 08:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Vulpix
 * Ninetails H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 13:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Pineco is horrible! Literally horrible! Can we expand on this stub of a stub? TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 02:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * how's that, i did everything i could in reference to the game and anime, i don't much else about the rest of it, i'll see if i can add some media related stuff Zappernapper 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Next Miscellaneous Article
''I reommend choosing Max as the next focus article. Thoughts? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)'' Other Mishaps? This article might need some help. Alvin6226 02:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, that's Max (Pokémon) (obviously). And come to think of it, even Poké Ball and Team Aqua and Team Magma need help. Thoughts?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Max (Pokémon) needs the borrowed Pokémon section removed, and lots more cleanup, so it would thus be good as a miscellena next article--XenoN e on (converse) 11:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Make sure the ugly table of Pokémon is replaced with prose! Please! - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Pokémon character articls are now being taken care of by WP:PAC2, so we should be taking a non-character article. How about Poké Ball or Glitch City?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that Pokemon Ranger should be our next focus.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 23:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's not do a speculative article if we can at all avoid it. Poké Ball needs a lot of love, Max (Pokémon) needs work despite the presence of WP:PAC2. and all of the glitches still need to be collapsed into a single article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * WHAT?! If the glitches are merged, we need to transwiki the original articles somewhere else. Okay, so they don't belong in an encyclopedia, but they're very informative for people who want to exploit the glitches. And they're much better than their Bulbapedia counterparts. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Even Pokémon trainer needs a lot of work. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC) The aforementioned article just needs some heavyhanded deletion. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, lets just all point out all the problems with the article, this way we can find out which is most important, and we can help fix the article. <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;">(talk) 17:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * was anyone even aware of this scary thing? i'm not even sure it really deserves it's own page.  I'm tempted to speedy delete it unless someone out there thinks they can turn it into something resebling an article. Zappernapper 07:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Pokémon (anime)-- PRIORITY!!! Man, this sucks. --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 07:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Shiny Pokémon. C'mon people! You can do better than this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.71.19 (talk • contribs)

Charizard
According to Charizard's peer review, the article Charizard needs references. It has been suggest we search for a reference on the internet that fits the ifnroamtion thats given, and then use it, cheers <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;">(talk) 18:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It is now on FAC, see the discussion here, cheers <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  13:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears it needs more copy-editing, any volunteers to copy-edit it <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  19:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

New Pokémon
I have created three new articles, Dorapion, Chierimu and Pachirisu, per this. New information was all released, noted here. If editors could make the neccessary updates, that would be great. H ig hway Batman! 14:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Im adding the Pokerefs template <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  13:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Munchlax
I think that we should modify this article to make it compatible with WP:PAC/S. Cheers <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  10:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It totally lacks references, we need a lot of help to cite the sources, cheers <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  10:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I know of a good way to properly format references, you can use the title that appears in the title bar as the title of the reference <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  10:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Lucario
I've made a few modifications and helped to clean it up, should we remove the cleanup notice, or make further changes? <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  19:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

POV Rampant
several, several articles are out there with POV like "this pokemon is favored" or "a (any adjective) moveset would be..." and other ridiculous things that should NOT be included in an encyclopeadic (sp) entry on a particular pokemon, that kind of stuff is best left for forums and serebii.net. i think we really need to make a concentrated effort on all the articles to remove POV statements, helping to elevate the project as a whole. is anyone else in favor of this? we could start a new section on the project page listing the NPOV pages and those that still need to be changed (for those uncomfortable with making edits). i'm willing to go ahead an start, but the project is daunting and i'd like to make sure others out there are interested in this too. Zappernapper 20:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed the statements you made at Talk:Umbreon, and I'll use that article and your arguments as examples. I think there's a flaw in your reasoning.  However, I could be wrong; somebody else should correct me if I am.  Whichever way, I think it's great that you read about Wikipedia's policies; many new editors don't do that.


 * According to the official WP:NPOV policy, the NPOV is "not the absence or elimination of viewpoints". In the example you presented at Umbreon, both a positive and a negative statement about Umbreon's use in battle were presented, which creates balance and presents both viewpoints as objectively as possible.  The NPOV policy continues by saying that "Background is provided on who believes what and why, and which view is more popular."  Therefore, it is also alright to say how popular Umbreon is among trainers.


 * In conclusion, the article is allowed to say whether people think Umbreon is great for battle or not, but it's not allowed to simply say whether the article thinks Umbreon should be used in battle.  PCEevee   talk  01:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Just list a couple of articles that you need help with, cheers <font color="#ffcc00;"> Minun  <font color="#ffcc00;">(talk) 10:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * perhaps more what i'm quibbling over isn't so much whether or not the articles are allowed to discuss popularity of a pokemon among players, but rather the way it's being discussed. To quote from Umbreon itself, "Umbreon is perhaps the most un-used of the Eeveelutions... due to the fact it can't learn any powerful Dark-type moves such as Crunch, players preferring...."  a statement like this is pure specualation without any reference given to even an internet poll on a heavily used fan-site, adding "perhaps" is just weasely.  Opinion and speculation are not suitable in an encyclopedia.  maybe removing that specific statement entirely (unless it can be backed by some factual data) and then reworking the sentence that later comes up discussing Umbreon's strengths to include its weaknesses as well. Like -
 * Umbreon's movepool works in tandem with his above average defenses, including moves like confuse ray, mean look, snatch, and moonlight. This of course means that he doesn't learn very many strong attacks, namely crunch, because of his low special and physical attack stats.  Other alternatives for more "aggressive" movesets would be Houndoom or Tyranitar.
 * It's kinda wordy and not the best written but i think you get my point. Also we need to remember that not everyone is always up on the lingo, so using jargon like "tank" and "annoyer" should be avoided unless it's briefly explained. Or better yet, linked to a page detailing what this terminology means.
 * Zappernapper 02:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've managed to merge the Trivia sections to characteristics per a set of tips, it may still need some changes, please consider reviewing the article, cheers M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun   <font color="#ffcc00;"> (マイナン)  10:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, anything that is written needs to be cited, and by a verifable source. The qeustion now is - is it too crufty? Does the average user care if Umbreon is a great tank, or if "McIceGar" or "SkarmBliss" are commonly-used combos? Hell, I play the games, but would never have known what they were unless I was using NetBattle or played competitively. So even casual Pokémon players may not quite know what's being said in the articles. And if they don't know, the average reader certainly wouldn't know, and thus I agree with the topic creator that they should go, but only because it's too crufty. Hbdragon88 05:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you... I think we need to make a concerted effort to remove references to battle strategies. While it may be appropriate to say Umbreon has high defenses, it's 'not' to go on about how one might exploit those strengths.  There is no published work out there detailing the strategies of Pokemon, so until there is (therefore citable), it's fan based stuff better left for serebii and bulbapedia.  Removing these things might leave many articles looking skeletal but then hopefully it will encourage more people to add quality information.  (Perhaps anime and pokedex references to Umbreon's moonlight which technically would be its sig move.)

July roll call
The list of members on the front page is getting REALLY long, so let's weed it a little. It's time for a roll call. If you're still interested in working on this project's articles (even if you're not doing so right now; I'm just removing people who aren't active on WP or aren't interested any more), please sign below.

# ~

This roll call is closed. If you'd like to join the project (or you're still active and your name was removed), just re-add your name to the main project page. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible Article Style Error
It has recently been brought to my attention that it is one of the article style guidelines to put "the" before the name of the Pokemon in the beginning, as if the Pokemon were a species. However, after reading another user's comment concerning the subject, I noticed that the aforementioned use of "the" does not persist in the rest of the article. This inconsistency is a blatant grammar error, as it violates the grammatical status of the word. In the Anime, Bulbasaur, for example, is always referred to as just Bulbasaur as if it were his first name, making the word a proper noun, as opposed to a regular noun, and one of the basic grammar rules is that a proper noun is never preceded by "the". The names of the Pokemon are not nouns but proper nouns, names, and therefore should not be preceded by "the". I say Remove the "the"s. What do you think? --Lividore 17:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It does. An anon who has no clue about pluralization doesn't know enough about it. H ig hway Batman! 18:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you saying that it's ok to write an article about a species of creatures and then refer to the name of the creature in the article as if it were its first name? You don't refer to "Michael" as "the Michael" and you don't refer to "the cow" as just "cow" either. You've got to pick a way and stick with it. Either it's a proper or a regular noun. --Lividore 18:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No it's both. It's been well discussed, but a Pokémon article is split in two parts. The first part (intro to the bottom of video games) discusse the species, ie - all of the members of the species, anime and manga are discussing individual members of the species, they're name just happens to be the name of species. Like a sheep called sheep. Trading Card Game is general relation since they're bits of paper, but that's mainly as a species, unless it's "Someone's Pokémon", which is an individual. Cheers, H ig hway Batman! 18:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with everyone else, i've never heard "THE" before any Pokémon, its never in the video games or the anime, so explain where you've heard "THE" before the name, cheers M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun   <font color="#ffcc00;"> (Spiderman)  10:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Exerpt from Labrador Retriever: "The Labrador Retriever ("Labrador" or "Lab" for short), is one of several kinds of retriever..." and further on. The article clearly defines the Labrador as a species from that, and further on, it actually is logical to no longer say "the" and everything. Also, as HighwayCello claims, there is a specific claim to the name of the Pokémon and a difference with the species of one. Often, it can be shortened reference. --T e tsuya-san (talk : contribs) 12:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we reached a conclusion at the discussion on the style page itself... We're being plural from here on out. Erik the Appreciator 18:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Listing a template for deletion
I've listed Template:Orange Islands for deletion. It doesn't seem to serve any sort of use any more now that several of the characters' pages have been merged. Perhaps a simple list of characters at the main Orange Islands article is necessary. Ryulong 04:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

A few suggestions for Poke-stub
I have a few suggestions on how to improve Template:Poke-stub. We can replace Image:Wikiball.png with Image:Pokeball.png (Its not fair use per its uploader) and remove the arrow from the "Expanding it" link. Using the following code:

any thoughts? &mdash; M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (Spiderman)  11:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No no no! As part of s standard, uniform appearance on Wikipedia, it is best to keep the Pokémon stub templates as all Wikipedia articles have their stub templates shown, especially following the Stub guideline designs! --T e tsuya-san (talk : contribs) 12:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats alright, but how about we removed the arrow from the "Expanding it" links? M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun   <font color="#ffcc00;"> (Spiderman)  15:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Pikachu
I am aiming on getting Pikachu onto its third FAC, please make suggestions on the peer review page. All other pending tasks have been complete, so if theres anything wrong, please add more tasks at Talk:Pikachu/to do. Cheers &mdash; M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> (Spiderman)  15:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Pokémon Selected article
The portal has been updated again, and now features Charizard, which is on FAC. You can go to the archive via P:P/FAA. Please add future candidates here. Cheers, H ig hway Batman! 20:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The Nintendo Project has a userbox
So why shouldn't we? It's only the basics, but it can be improved upon, including a category. Ryūlóng 05:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We have one -

User WikiProject_PCP H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 11:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I laughed so hard... Alvin6226 talk 18:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Never saw that anywhere. Ryūlóng 20:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added the category &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 11:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm having a serious problem with this Pokemon AFD stuff
It seems every other week somebody lists an article that's pokemon related to AFD.

Look, I can see the limited cases where AFD is useful, but this is getting really ridiculous.

This is interesting bloody information, here! (for the most part, at least) That one question mark glitches in pokemon article, its contents I never heard indepth before, it was a great read. So you can imagine my annoyance when people spontaneously go HEY LET'S DELETE IT because it's nonnotable cruft! (I'm thinking of a few people..)

And then people go all, snort snort snort, pokecruft pokecruft pokecruft, it's totally unbearable. I can honestly say nothing makes me more miffed on wikipedia than this whole process. Even when the source material really isn't that crufty to begin with, it could always be merged into a related article to make the material even better. One of my wiki philosiphies is that most information has a place on wikipedia, even if it's not on its own page. Otherwise it's just not really complete.

So what the hell is the deal? Is this kind of subject a target? Toastypk 07:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It was wholly unsourced, extremely-narrow-interest trivia. It didn't belong here, and it didn't belong merged because, when I looked at the history, the meaning of the article kept changing depending on which anon had edited it last.
 * I was actually merging those glitch articles instead of having them deleted, but when there's nothing sourcable there's nothing keepable. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What if I were to find a similar article online that detailed the glitches? Would that be sourcable? Toastypk 18:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Meh, I feel kind of violated...it's nothing personal, though. But I did spend a fair amount of time cleaning them up, trying to wikify and reformat them, and they were all deleted. My work with them included creating the Template:Pokémon glitches navbox for easier navigation. Now that three pages (cloning, question mark glitches, and bad eggs) have been deleted, the navbox is getting far less useful...I'm leaning more towards using "See also" to point to other glitches. Hbdragon88 22:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration article
I think Makuhita is fairly finished, being re-nominated for GA status after referencing the video games, per the criteria it failed. Should we get a new article? H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 19:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes.. Alvin6226 talk 20:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me rephrase, Cel move your butt and update it. ;) H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 22:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll udpate when it gets GA - that's my new policy for these things. Come on guys and get to work improving Pokémon to GA :P. &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 09:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we seriously need help with Pokémon, its got so many unsourced statements &mdash; M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> Spiderman  10:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And the paragraphs keep running off. H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 11:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the final <sup title="The text in the vicinity of this tag needs citation." class="noprint">&#91;citation needed&#93; &mdash; M <font color="#ffcc00;"> inun  <font color="#ffcc00;"> Spiderman  14:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Amazon must really be getting a boost in traffic, you know. ;) H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 15:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What I think Cel meant was improve the article, rather than nominate it. H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 16:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Across many borders...
I was impressed by this. H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 12:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? What the Blaziken is that? <font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 12:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a copy of the Pikachu article into some odd language. H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 12:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;"> un   <font color="#ffcc00;"> Spiderman  15:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

They copied our Pikachu article, in ENGLISH and used on their FORIEGN language WIKIPEDIA. H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 15:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't the GFDL grand? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't find anything wrong with that, but it hasn't even been translated, so that makes a problem, anyway, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;"> un   <font color="#ffcc00;"> Spiderman  15:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I was impressed how something on OUR wikipedia had reached so far away. Why am I even bothering? H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 17:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone could translate text into that language, and nominate it for deletion &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;"> un   <font color="#ffcc00;"> Spiderman  19:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was my point. H ig hway <sup style="color:#CF5440;">Return to Oz... 19:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know what language its in, because i'll need to know to nominate it for deletion &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 11:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is released under the GFDL, they're just taking their time translating it. At least they aren't just fireing it through a Babel fish. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 11:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This project breaks rules.
According to policy and this guy. '''I don't want to be rude and please don't take this is gnawing the newbies or assuming ill intentions of an editor. I don't, it's not the editor, it's the culture. But there has been a pervasive explosion of these character articles in Anime articles. They contain little chunks of information, but only seem to exist to hold an image and an infobox on the character and to fill out a character navagation template... I have half a mind to say delete the lot of them and start from scratch .. but I'd only push for that if we could throw in the similarly formatted character articles from OMG, IY, and Tenchi as well. They were all created in the same manner, and it's not well suited to the wikipedia. First off, they contain way too many pictures and (some of them) seem to only exist because an infobox was able to be created for the article. But, I will not be mean to the information and I will push for a SUPER speedy merge These articles fall under the auspices of the WP:FICTION which give a wonderful steps on how to create such pages. Also, a aticle like Eclair and Lumiere (Kiddy Grade) contains WAY too many photos and is a definite violation of the fair use policy. It needs a lot of trimming regardless of the outcome of this debate. I would vote to Delete the Kiddy Grade Infobox and navigation templates, if I could.'''

There is a debate going on on wether or not to delete the character pages of Kiddy Grade here. If this is allowed to happen all the various separate pokemon articles on all the separate pokemon and all the supposed useless pages that are too descriptive of pokemon should be deleted. Why? because some admins feel that "We do not need articles on all these characters." Nice isnt it? Anyway this is just a small collective list from just some anime (pokemon and dragonball mostly) of articles that correspond under this decree for deletion as fancruft, non-notability, uselessness and space-wasting...

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grrr..... I hate discrimination. --Crampy20 17:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm nearly 100% positive what we;re doing is fine. God, it's not like they're bad articles... that's what the PCP is trying to fix. Toastypk 17:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Toastypk &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 18:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Jeez, if you are complaining about them taking up space, then creating the largest article on wikipedia is not the best idea. Things like this will never go through, the project will expand them all and it will become pointless to have lists. Why not merge all the one page stubs of athletes? Do something useful. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 23:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Starting them over again isn't a good idea, the PCP can fix them, but its a bad idea to start from scratch. Imagine what the readers will think if they find them all deleted &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 11:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I am on your side, but there are thosands of people who don't care how good the articles are, just the fact that "Do we really need all these articles?" So many people will do that, and i aint complaining about space, Im complaining about policy. --Crampy20 12:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It says its alright to have seperate articles if the merged one is two big, and by the look of that, it would probably crash the computer &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 15:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. -TrackerTV 23:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Who the bloody hell would say we don't need articles ont those Pokémon? And animé characters? We aren't doing anything wrong. I say we ignore it nyo! Besides, I like the Smeargle article. And the Kirlia article? I worked hard on it! I don't think all that hard work should be trashed!!!Cherimu is beautiful! 05:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Calm down. --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 14:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Mewtwo
I think this article almost meets the good article criticera, we only now need to add references, any volunteers to help? &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

PCP
I've got a suggestion for Template:PCP, how about we have one of those banners with the drop down to-do lists

Any thoughts? &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 12:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Commas may be an idea, I think Cel keeps some handy. ;) H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 12:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyway, do you agree we should have the to-do list or not? &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 12:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I like the idea Minun Zappernapper 22:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, we should move this message to the bottom, it seems to not get attention. Lets just wait to see what other users think, thanks for your comment, happy editing &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 19:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Extra! Extra! PCP article reaches Main Page
I'll be uploading the shot shortly. I inadvertently hit the Main Page and was surprised to see Bulbasaur as today's featured article! I knew it was at FA, but I didn't know it would be on there today! Woo-hoo! -TrackerTV 20:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

frame|none|Cropped shot of the main page, showing Bulbasaur as FA.
 * Yeah, but you seem to forget that the article has been vandalized way too much in the past 24 hours that required it be sprotected 5 times. This may be the last time a Pokémon article may appear on the main page (even though other video game articles have appeared on the main page in the past). Ryūlóng 20:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if so, we'll just stomp out the dumbasses who do it in the future. What do you expect from immature idiots? Toastypk 05:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The image shouldn't be used on this page because part of the picture of Bulbasaur is fair use, which would make that part of the image fair use &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 11:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't it fall under CC if you take a picture of a picture that's been used in a GFDL environment? Anyway, we'll never get another Pokémon on the page, someone left a rant on the Torchic FAC page when he saw the Main page. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 11:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you include a link to this rant? &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 14:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * [Here you go. [[User:HighwayCello|H]] ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 14:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Holy christ, that rant made me LOL. WikiOtaku? Fancruft? Man oh man, I can't take that seriously. You'd think that the article on Link from Zelda that was featured a while back would hvae gotten bitchings-at from people too, so stupid stupid stupid. Toastypk 22:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

New Deoxys Form
I put this on the Deoxys talk page as well, but I'm not sure how many people read that page, so I'm mentioning it here too. When looking up info on Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, I came across an add showcasing new Diamond and Pearl colors for the DS Lite. Down in the bottom left of the picture I found is, without a doubt, a shadow of a new fifth Deoxys form. See for yourselves here. I believe that this should be mentioned in the main article about Deoxys. -SaturnYoshi 06:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It be a hoax, yar. Go to the bottom of the page, here . It's right above the Kingler post. Ryūlóng 06:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting... Well, at least I didn't add it first.  But how can they be so sure it's a fake?  I'd like to see these many different scans that the picture was made from. -SaturnYoshi 06:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Serebii.net is always on top of the hoaxes and fake pokémon, and why exactly would Nintendo make new versions of Deoxys in a game where it won't be available until trading, anyway? They're not bringing Deoxys back for Diamond and Pearl; if anything when Deoxys is traded, it'll be the Ruby/Sapphire formation. Ryūlóng 06:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * True. But until FireRed and LeafGreen came out, no one really knew that Ruby and Sapphire contained information on all Pok&eacute;mon, not just those in the game. -SaturnYoshi 06:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And unless someone finds a new Deoxys (or two), I think any information about such should not be utilized until someone goes through the game files and rips. Ryūlóng 06:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's beyond my capabilities. I'll leave well enough alone and trust in Serebii.net's judgement. -SaturnYoshi 06:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What he...
I've been recking for references, but all I could find were copies of Wikipedia, every single one of the sources were copied, I don't understand, can someone please help me with this, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 12:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Bulbasaur
Bulbasaur is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 14:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon species
Someone just vandalized the info box, the diff can be found here. I suggest watching it carefully, as the vandalism is really severe. &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The infobox was vandalized by the slew of AOL/IP vandals that couldn't vandalize Bulbasaur yesterday. I managed to get the article sprotected through the IRC channels, as well as Pokenum which also got struck by the same vandalism. Ryūlóng 19:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, it appears it was unprotected. Getting help. Ryūlóng 19:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Whew, thats great, the image almost scared me to death, thanks &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to see if they'll sprotect it again, and remove the penises from the history. Ryūlóng 19:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone deleted it! H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 19:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The template is temporarily deleted so the good history can be restored. Ryūlóng 19:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * DO NOT PANIC Ryūlóng 19:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry. ;) H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 19:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take this time to go find your towel, too. Ryūlóng 19:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, i'll get back to my normal jobs, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The bad history's back again? &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Bah...it got vandalized as soon as it was put back up. Ryūlóng 19:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Who did it, i've got to report them, im sick of it getting vandalized &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

He's already indef blocked. Ryūlóng 19:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And it's currently in deleted limbo, again. Once, again, DO NOT PANIC. Ryūlóng 19:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If it gets vandalized again, please tell us who vandalizes it next time, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It's back, with the penises. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 19:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be. And it's going to be sprotected soon, do not worry. DO NOT PANIC. Ryūlóng 19:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats good, because I just recently requested it at Requests for page protection, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Problem solved, yet again. Ryūlóng 19:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * WHEW, I think its the same user &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * More than likely. Just watch the talk page just in case. Ryūlóng 19:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He did it to my own talk page &mdash; M  in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Any editors that are seen doing this damage will be noted on the vandalism channels, particularly if they are adding them to nihongo which may be sprotected soon. Ryūlóng 19:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have to go awa now, i'll be back tomorrow, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Snorlax
Can SOMEONE deal with that? H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 19:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Is it the template? Sorry. Fix Template:Pokeinfobox. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 19:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Its the same porlbme as mentioned above &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 19:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

New Glitch discovered
I've just discovered a new glitch from the Pokémon game, its called the Ditto Glitch. Should we create an article about it? &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 14:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. If it's notable enough to be on Wikipedia, it should probably be in Pokémon glitches.   PCEevee   talk  14:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added it, if you would like to know information, check the page &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 19:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I say those question mark glitches that were so rudely removed with AFD need to be in that article too, because that seems it would fit there. Toastypk 20:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Kirlia
Kirlia's article is missing an "In the Games" section and doesn't have a trading card image. I tried adding the "In the Games" section, but it says there is an error... Can someone please fix it? There should also be more info in the intro. A more in-depth description of Kirlia's role in "Jiracji Wishmaker" should be added. Is this asking too much? If it is, sorry. I'm a newbie. Hehe... --Cherimu is beautiful! 17:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll get to it, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 18:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * All done &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 18:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Bulbasaur on the Main Page
I was surprised when I header this, its that Pokenum thing again. Is there some way we can stop these images from being added &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 13:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * God, stupid poke-vandal wastes... is there a way to lock templates, prevent pictures from being added to specific ones, and only have certain members edit them? Toastypk 15:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was done to pokenum. That person may have been the only person (or the perpetrator) to see it. Both pokenum and Pokémon species are sprotected, so that only registered users with accounts older than some period of time may edit them. Ryūlóng 19:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's four days. Please see Talk:Pokémon for more discussion on this. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  20:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * In any case, I put up the stupid image for Images for Deletion. Toastypk 22:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I tried to do that. They're used on other projects and uploaded to the commons. Ryūlóng 22:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I personally think there should be either a policy that prevents images being added to templates by new users, or a policy that prevents new users from adding "obscene-tagged" images at all, for the first four days. Just my thoughts, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  22:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Trying to find that. Ryūlóng 22:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Found it: MediaWiki:Bad image list. I left a message on the talk page to get the images listed, possibly. Ryūlóng 22:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Man oh man, always such beuracracy just to get a disgusting picture removed.. does having it hosted on the commons really make a difference that it's horrible? Toastypk 02:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

It appears that Venusaur was moved to Penisaur &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 19:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * His contributions are strange. He moved Bulbasaur, Mary Cheney, Lance Bass, Judaism, and Elias Ashmole. The final four of those are way outside our scope. Bulbasaur and Elias Ashmole are featured articles. Judaism is GA, so that speaks volumes. Barbara Boxer is also a presumed Willy on Wheels sock, too, so we need to leave this up to the administrators. -TrackerTV 02:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Mareep
Mareep, our past collaboration, has reached GA. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  14:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

High risk templates
We should probably have a look at this. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  17:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Makuhita
Makuhita, our current focus, reached GA status. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  07:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Portal work
While pokemon species are well linked through their info box, other aspects of pokemon are left on the sidelines, hoping someone will click on a wiki link. I've compiled a quick portal based off of part of the main Pokemon portal page and thought it would be good to add to "Pokemon Concept" pages, we could make another one for Places, and another for People... you can find it here at Portal:Pokémon_Concepts. FEEDBACK!!!! Zappernapper 22:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We have an article called Pokémon game mechanics, which may be what you're trying to say. A Portal is not executable on such narrow section of a narrow topic. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  22:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * And we do have a "Topics" section in Portal:Pokémon. --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 08:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm aware there's a topics section of the main pokemon portal page, like i said, i took a good part of it for use in my sample portal. Maybe portal is the wrong word...  I'm just trying to create something so that people who have read the article can navigate within the pokemon related pages easier.  Take a look at Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  Scroll down to the very bottom of the page and you'll see what I'm trying to shoot for. Zappernapper 15:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Navbox? Like Template:Pokémon locations and Template:Pokémon anime characters? Well, that's an idea. But first, move that thing to your userspace and work on it, you can't put that up as a portal. Meanwhile-- Anyone to help me with a getting that thing deleted? --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 13:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If Zappernapper copies it to his userspace, he can use db-user. However, if he moves the thing, it won't be in the portal space, and we can move it into the template space once it's done. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  13:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I just want the portal deleted, not the idea, which is why I want Zappernapper to put that into his userspace. But if it's actually moved, it'll still leave a redirect to the subpage, which is undesirable. Thoughts? --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 14:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I requested speedy deletion, but i'm not sure how to work on it in my user space since i used a box template, i'll just satart it over from scratch i guess and take a look at the formatting used in the navbox templates elswhere in the pokemon sites. Zappernapper 15:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

List of pokemon attacks
There we go again. AfD, anyone? --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 08:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Deleted as a repost. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Deletedpage should be the next step if its recreated &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 10:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand. Why was the list of attacks deleted. I wrote a lot of those attacks and it took me a quite a while to edit them as well. I'm sorry to bring it up, it's just... why? Why delete it?Cherimu is beautiful! 05:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Check this out. <font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 14:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon glitches
I finally merged Missingno. and 'M into Pokémon glitches, deleting a great deal of dubiously-sourced original research and unencyclopedic detail in the process. This is per Articles for deletion/'M as well as the fact that those articles were in desperate need of cleanup.

has been reinserting info sourced only to TRsRockin, a fansite I've never heard of before this merge. I'd appreciate it if someone could either look in and tell me I'm insane, offer a better source (as that's currently the most reliable source in the article), or ask Latitude to stop inserting OR and cruft. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * TRsRockin is, as far as I know, the most comphrensive glitch site for Pokémon on the internet, made up of overview guides from various posters for the website. As far as I know, everything checks out quite well on the information they give, but it is still a fan site. However, it may be the best thing we have, until Serebii gets a glitch section. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  10:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So a fansite, but a good fansite? Gotcha. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ooh - the sarcasm is murderous :P. &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 15:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well there have been some stinkers... H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  15:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't being sarcastic. It can be trusted, but whenever something seems dubious, assume they're wrong about it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Pokémon Selected article
The portal has been updated again, and now features Makuhita, which is our past focus. You can go to the archive via P:P/FAA. Please add future candidates here. Cheers, H ig hway Batman! 20:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * On FAC? Where? I can't find it. --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 14:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, this is why you don't just copy the last message and change the name. XD H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  14:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Electabuzz evolution
Did somebody create an article about it yet? Or the three new DP starters? Elekible needs to be created now that Serebii is reporting CoroCoro revealed the truth about it, Rozureido, and the three new starters. Quick! TrackerTV 17:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's at Elekiburu, or something like that. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  18:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it's Erekiburu. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  18:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon anime characters
Template:Pokémon anime characters has been redesigned. The new version can be seen below. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  14:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why, oh why, does everything to do with Pokémon on Wikipedia have to be in pink??? --<font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 14:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * How about purple, as it's a combo of red and blue?? The first two games to come to the US. -SaturnYoshi 14:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We've already had this discussion, I was folloing the PCP style. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  14:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The pink
The only reason we still use pink in our templates is because we inherited it from Pokédex, the predecessor to the predecessor to this project. There's no reason we couldn't use some other (low-key! nothing like the Digimon project's awful safety orange) color.

Does anyone really want to change it? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not even sure how to change it, as I'm still fairly new. Perhaps ther could be a vote or something. -SaturnYoshi 14:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We had a vote relatively a month ago, can we stop dredging this up? The pink is fine as it is, we use it uniformly, and it's pretty distinctive for us. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  15:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

We did? I thought that was just everyone soundly rejecting the fire-engine red someone proposed. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I created two templates for WikiProject Television Stations this past month:
 * Template:LAT TV
 * Template:ACME TV

and my user page uses a template style that is colour-heavy. TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 18:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I also have a link to a page (here) that gives you a whole bunch of Pantone colors and gives you a hex equivalent. If you want, copy the NavHide code from the LAT TV template above, paste in a hex code from the site, add the content, and your colour is changed. Simple? It's the power of templates. TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 18:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... how about this color?<br\>

Is It Needed?
Is this article really needed? All this information is covered elsewhere. It talks about the starter Pokémon. --ARSNL 15:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * AFD, anyone?? <font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 15:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I tagged it for speedy deletion. The stuff is already covered at Pokémon game mechanics. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  15:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review
Image:pokeicon.gif is on deletion review. See the discussion, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 19:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Reliability of Serebii?
I happened to take a quick glance at Charizard and found lots of citations to Serebii (specifically regarding the anime portion) - but does Serebii fall under WP:RS? When I used to play Pokemon (last summer) and used the GameFAQs message boards, Serebii was the joke - lots of dubious information. I remember one instance where they claimed that Pokémon that had an Exp. Share would get doubled EVs if the Pokémon who battled was holding a Macho Brace. Ended up being false. Beyond that, though, Pokémon.com doesn't have an episode guide? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hbdragon88 (talk • contribs)


 * I can't see why we can't rely more on Pok&eacute;mon.com. I checked their site and they do have brief summaries of the anime episodes.  It just seems that everyone holds Serebii in high regard.  But the bottom line is, the creator of Serebii doesn't work for Nintendo or have any real affiliation with the creators of Pok&eacute;mon.  --SaturnYoshi 08:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Pokémon.com doesn't do manga, and they're epsiode guides are about 5 lines long at most. It's also a flash site, which doesn't help. Serebii is reliable. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FFCBDB;">Return to Oz...  08:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The reliability of Serebii is hardly the open and shut case you make it seem. I realise I'm a biased source, being not only webmaster of Bulbagarden (and it's Bulbapedia), and a former Admin on Serebii (Joe "Serebii" Merrick's right hand man back in 2002), but it is still fairly obvious that, although Serebii is amazingly popular, and has a large membership base on his forums, the serious players of the video games (centered mainly around Smogon now) and the TCG (PokéGym) consider Serebii.net and its general membership a joke. Pretty much every other major Pokémon site considers the general membership of Serebii to consist of mainly the more immature fans, to be perfectly honest.
 * Certainly though, very general information, or very widespread information, such as PokéDex info, found on Serebii, will probably be accurate. Their Dex is apparently based on that of Meowth356's old website, Pokémon Forever. Other info though...well, one generally takes that with a grain of salt, until other sites have picked up on it also. While they are generally fairly accurate, the devil is always in the details.
 * It's worth mentioning also that Joe has stated on a number of occasions that he's introduced errors into his site on purpose, as a way of catching out people who would "steal" his information.
 * --Mukashi 15:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, let's all hope that at least the anime and manga information is correct, as that's the majority of info being sourced from Serebii. --SaturnYoshi 22:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What options do we have anyway? Hyperlinking problems apart, how reliable can you call a site that thinks Jessie and James are 12? <font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 15:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

What are we going to do about Vandalism?
Crossopsted from Pokémon &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman &bull; Review Me 10:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, instead of posting this on all 500 Pokemon articles (that should be about right, right? Because 403 Pokemon, then a bunch of assorted articles...;)) I decided I'd post it here, at the heart of Wikipedia's Pokemon articles. As many of us know, a four year old chimpanzee has been vandalising many of the Pokemon articles. There seems to be no way of stopping this other than locking every article, which would be stupid. Any suggestions? ShadowUltra 19:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The vandal, who if he wasn't on an AOL connection would have been fried by Raul by now according to him, is repeatedly vandalizing templates that appear in all the creature articles, causing a giant *coughs* to appear in every single Pokémon page, and in the case of Friday, the Main Page. The way to fix this problem is to protect the said templates from new accounts editing them, and to block all editors who do this to the templates. At present, accounts need to be at least 4 days old to bypass protection, so this will slow him considerably. Cheers, H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 19:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Now there's an idea that should have been thought up earlier! Realistically, all templates should be protected because they're more mechanical than the articles themselves, which are more content-based, and while any IP address can give potentially good edits to the content of articles, only the more experienced Wikipedians should tinker with the templates. By the way, when it comes to the content of the vandalism in question, I suspect an ulterior motive in calling the culprit a 4-year-old-chimp. ^_^ Erik the Appreciator 01:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Great idea, I support this all the way! WikiSlasher 11:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It is a risky decision, some templates such as Template:Pokémon species are awfully complicated, while others, like Template:Pokenum, thrives on new users. I think we should discuss at the project talk page, because it is a risky decision. H ig hway <sup style="color:#FF917F;">Return to Oz... 11:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Which project talk page? Alvin6226 talk 16:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This one. Noticed the "crossposted"? <font color="#4169E1">The Raven's Apprentice (Talk 15:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, I didn't know how much was crossposted, because I didn't check. Alvin6226 talk 16:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Collaberating Various Information
As a large, time consuming project, I believe nearly all the Pokémon entires could use some help in maintaining a constant rhythem, if you will. Possibly, we should come up with a fairly standard way of maintaining the information given among the "Biology", "Video Game", and "Anime" categories in the Pokémon articles. For example, evolution levels, as I've seen, can be found in the intorduction of the article, or in the "Video Game" section, but this always differs from article to article.

A lot of the information can be found in different categories and commonly differes from article to article. Perhaps we should come up with a set of "invisible rules" that can help the members of the PCP keep information more organized.

Compare Altaria to Zubat, as you can see evolution level is found in the "video game" section for Altaria and in the intrduction for Zubat. To make information navigating easier for users who want information quick, perhaps making a information distribution list could be concocted. (i.e. All evolution information should be placed under "In the video game"; All Pokédex related information (including number and information from the entry) should be included in the Introduction)

Realizing anyone can edit the entries, it would be the PCP's responsibility to inform other users on how the articles should be written (for flow and coherency purposes), should it be decided said information will have a precise place.

Yes, no, maybe so (questions?)? Enigmatic timbre0x 05:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good and makes sense. But how would "invisible rules" work? If they are invisible no one can see them >_>. Alvin6226 talk 15:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, when I say invisible rule, I'm referring to guidlines (yes! That's the word I'm looking for) that should be followed when making and editing Pokémon articles. Enigmatic timbre0x 16:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * the fact of the matter is that there are guidlines, listed here that people simply don't read when working on the articles. -Zappernapper 16:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Exactly what I was talking about. Thanks for that link. :) Good page to cite when making changes. Enigmatic timbre0x 20:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Foo generation Pokémon
For everyone with Pokémon articles on their watchlist, please remove any category listings for "(number) generation Pokémon". That functionality is now included in the infobox. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Squirtle
This is just a friendly notice- Squirtle is at FAC, but the nominator, Minun, has been banned, for enough consecutive months to last a year. If you guys want to make sure it passes, someone needs to take over the article from him. --24.28.71.232 06:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * TrackerTV has taken over the article. Alvin6226 talk 23:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)