Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics/Libertarianism/Archive 5

RFC regarding title change of Public choice theory
Interested editors are invited to look at the discussion regarding a proposed article title change for Public choice theory. The discussion is here: "Proposed title change from Public choice theory to Public choice".--S. Rich (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Help with Libertarianism template
I've been abcdizing the Libertarianism Navbar template. But I'd like to fix it up some more. Please see Template talk:Libertarianism for my suggestion. --S. Rich (talk) 03:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Re-write of Libertarianism?
A discussion is taking place on Talk:Libertarianism about improvements to the article. Interested editors/WikiProject members are invited to participate. – S. Rich (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Editors Invited to Laissez Faire article
There's discussion about the criticism section and a talk thread. Comments or additions to this section of the article would be welcome. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk  20:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Jörg Guido Hülsmann
I believe tht is time to create an article of the professor. But first should be argued his relevance because of a deletion consulting of 2010. I'm not a native English speaker, so, for me is a little difficult to be an hard discussion here. But I post this if someone is interesting in help. --Sageo (talk) 06:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The decision to delete Hulsmann remains valid. Nothing has changed since the community decided to delete the Hulsmann article.  If you disagree, please explain what new information you would like to present in favor of a Hulsmann article?  SPECIFICO  talk  13:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what I'm saying. That delete come from a bad evaluation that should be reconsidered. Could be put in the list of pendants of the WikiProject. --Sageo (talk) 04:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with him myself but a quick look at the AfD looks like the article was not properly sourced with secondary sources showing his importance. If you can come up with 5 or 6 high quality ones and rewrite the original article, you can appeal to the person who deleted it. If you do not have and want the text of the original article, you should provide the deleting editor (or some other admin if s/he's no longer editing) with that list and ask for the original text to save you time and to make it clear you are serious. ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 04:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting. I could search for secondary sources. --Sageo (talk) 04:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Jesús Huerta de Soto
It would be nice if we had an ALERTS page so that we would know about deletions, and more positive efforts regarding relevant articles. Anyone know how to do it? ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 17:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your message above constitutes Canvassing per WP policy. Please post similar notification of the Soto discussion on other relevant boards, such as Economics.  SPECIFICO  talk  23:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually posting on reasonably related project pages is not CANVASSing if the notice is worded neutrally.  I would suggest that such is the case here. Collect (talk) 00:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If I put it at more projects it might be seen as canvassing! Feel free to put a neutrally worded notice there. OOops, too late for that advice - see here. ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 00:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The guidance on canvassing is very clear that an objectively selected broad announcement is expected. Your statement to the contrary is either ill-informed or disingenuous.  SPECIFICO  talk  00:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * [insert] Canvassing reads pretty much like I said: The talk page of one or more WikiProjects (or other Wikipedia collaborations) directly related to the topic under discussion. As opposed to campaigning using nonneutral language.  People have different perspectives on what is most relevant.  ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 01:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Carol has accused me of being non-neutral for soliciting people who are actually trained in economics and are from a broad host of ideologies (including but not limited to libertarianism) to comment on the de Soto deletion. lol. Steeletrap (talk) 00:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Article alerts page?
It would be nice if we had an ALERTS page so that we would know about deletions, and more positive efforts regarding relevant articles. Anyone know how to do it? ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 01:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've C&P'd one from another project, but it needs subscription tweaking. WP:AALERTS has more info. – S. Rich (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hope it works! thanks. Also, a reason to template more articles as under Libertarianism Wikiproject since I guess that's the way you find they are up for deletion. Of course, with BLPs they have to call themselves Libertarian or be described thusly by one or more WP:RS.
 * Template reminder ::''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 15:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Should the section title for Academic freedom controversy be changed?
There is an RfC here Talk:Hans-Hermann_Hoppe concerning the article on Hans-Hermann Hoppe. There is extensive background discussion elsewhere on the talk page there. – S. Rich (talk) 16:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: I have revised the section heading here to reflect what the RfC title is and modified the link to create a Wikilink. – S. Rich (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hans-Hermann Hoppe et al
So as not to interfere with Srich's RfC posting, and because I probably should have brought this matter here a long time ago, let me say:
 * First re: Hoppe RfC, I think my posting was neutral because I mentioned the obvious and incontrovertible fact that editors have repeatedly changed and want to change the section title to "Controversy over views on homosexuality" per this diff and RfC discussion.
 * Second, a number of libertarian/anarchist-capitalist BLPs have been under attack recently by a couple of editors who don't like them at all. They have been using a lot of loaded language, questionable RS, cherry picking and synthesis of primary sources, even while removing "positive info" with questionable rationales. This is the only active one right now. (Except for the deletion notice mentioned above.)
 * It seems to me that in ANY Wikiproject when a series of article on any topic are under systematic attack characterized by violations of policy, it is of concern to the wikiproject. ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 16:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits at Murray Rothbard article
The same two "colleages" and "collaborators" who claim to be economists have just started attacking the Murray Rothbard article to paint him as overwhelmingly as a non-Austrian, crackpot, bigot. They often do it by misinterpreting sources and putting WP:Undue material in sections. See this long recent WP:Soapbox rant by one of them including comments like: ...the "movement"/"Pure Rothbardian Anarchism"/"Ron Paul for President" strain is (as my research indicates) viewed as disreputable even by mainstream libertarians... "movement" libertarianism is little more than a dogmatic cult.... I'm not going to get all upset by this excessive POV which unfortunately did not raise many hackels in my poorly formed recent WP:ANI. But more voices on that article by some more neutral editors would help. Thanks. ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 15:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The title for this sub-section should be in neutral language. I suggest "Recent edits at Rothbard article". (Also, it can be set up as a new section.) – S. Rich (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Seeing that others above are more neutral will do so. ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 15:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

List of libertarians in the United States
There's a discussion at Talk:List of libertarians in the United States relating to the scope of that list and a possible list of libertarians without national qualifiers which might span multiple articles, and the possibility of merging that list into Outline of libertarianism. (The U.S. list also generally needs some work, in terms of both expansion and sourcing.) Your input's very welcome. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 14:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Related wikis
http://libertapedia.org/wiki/Debate:Reasons_why_not_many_people_have_come_forward_to_report_that_they_enjoyed_their_childhood_experiences_of_adult-child_sex

Suggest removing "Libertapedia.org" link. This is on the homepage.67.176.100.125 (talk) 06:31, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The site is run by a banned editor who used so many sockpuppets. I think the main one was User:Sarsaparilla. He probably stuck it in there himself. I removed it. So let's keep our eyes open if it comes back. ''CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie &#x1f5fd; 16:31, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Observations/questions: 1. The link has been on the Project page for over 4 years. 2. How do we know it is run by Sarsarilla? 3. How is it that WP:BAN extends to non-Wikipedia sites? 4. Is it an inappropriate site in accordance with WP:ELNO #12? – S. Rich (talk) 22:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I added a couple wikis. I took a look at their content before adding them. I also took a look at libertapedia, but decided, based on the content, that it should probably not be added. I see now that there is agreement about not adding libertapedia. Good.

The two wikis I added were Mises Wiki and Liberty Activism. Feel free to discuss them if you do not feel they're appropriate, and to delete them if a consensus is made that they are not appropriate.

Best, allixpeeke (talk) 07:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

RfC at Murray Rothbard article
QUESTION: Which should go first in the lede characterization of Rothbard, "political theorist" or "economist?" RfC here SPECIFICO  talk  23:16, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Gary North RfC
Question: Regarding two of the subsections in Gary North (economist) -- which describe his views, but contain original rather than secondary sources – are they proper? Please see the discussion here. User:Carolmooredc  18:33, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

GA reassessment for Murray Rothbard article
Murray Rothbard, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RL0919 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 12 August 2013‎ (UTC)

"Libertarian-leaning" Democrat/Republican/whatever parameters
The article Libertarian Democrat has had some edit warring over including Obama as a "libertarian-leaning" Democrat. (I am inclined to say no, he is not libertarian.) To hopefully resolve the issue, I have proposed changing the parameters for defining "Libertarian Democrat" at Talk:Libertarian Democrat. (Of course, this question applies to other non-Democratic political persuasions.) Project members are asked to provide their input. (As this is primarily a libertarian related issue, I have not posted any notice on other WikiProject pages.) – S. Rich (talk) 06:03, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

RfC regarding Ludwig von Mises Institute
See: Talk:Ludwig von Mises Institute – S. Rich (talk) 16:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

FYI, Community Sanctions on Austrian economics articles
Link to Oct. 2013 ANI that led to community sanctions on Austrian economics articles. For details and logins see Talk:Austrian economics/General sanctions. To see how Community sanctions differ from ArbCom sanctions see WP:General Sanctions. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

AfD Joseph R. Stromberg
The libertarian writer. Articles_for_deletion/Joseph_R._Stromberg. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 18:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Institute for Justice article
I have updated and expanded the article on the Institute for Justice. I believe this is a fairly important organization - for example, litigating five cases before the Supreme Court including Kelo v. City of New London. I would appreciate any corrections, thoughts, and comments. Thanks! James Cage (talk) 23:33, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

AfD Jeff Riggenbach
Articles for deletion/Jeff Riggenbach (2nd nomination). Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

AfD Sharon Presley
Articles_for_deletion/Sharon_Presley Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 06:21, 21 December 2013 (UTC)