Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pornography/Deletion/Archive 1

Speedy deletes
Two articles which clearly do not meet speedy-delete standards were recently put up for Speedy (one, Candy Manson, is still listed as a speedy; the other: Saya Misaki was listed for speedy by an editor who has attacked and threatened the entire Japanese porn category numerous times). My question is-- Where do we list these on the article page? Dekkappai 17:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Only administrators may remove speedy delete tags so I've reversed your edit. Epbr123 18:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just add them to the list, I suppose. There isn't a special template or method for speedies, but one could be made. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 18:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed it again-- the notice says, "If this page does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice" There's no evidence that this article was a recreation of a delete, and clearly does not meet Speedy. Dekkappai 18:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was previously deleted. Epbr123 18:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone just put a speedy delete tag on the article Catalina Cruz. This article already survived two earlier deletion requests. -- fdewaele, 3 January 2007, 9:20.
 * So... ummn what's her importance/significance beyond any other porn star because it's not obvious to me? Vinh1313 (talk) 08:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are unfamiliar with an article subject, do not assume that it is not notable. In reviewing the recent history of deletions there seems to be a small group of editors who have an agenda and are rapidly removing articles related to the pornography industry.  While I oppose the oil industry, I do not set about deleting articles about that industry.  Please find other interests in life, and discontinue deleting articles that offend you in a subject area that you seem to return to repeatedly, and compulsively. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 21:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the anti-porn crusader argument doesn't apply to me. I love porn (look at my user page) so it's not a vacuum when I'm trying ascertain notability by applying the wp:bio criteria. I know who Catalina is but can't figure out why she's notable according to the guidelines. I can't just presume every article about porn is notable just because I know a lot about it either. Vinh1313 (talk) 21:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If an article has already survived an AfD, it should never be nominated under speedy. It's already been judged as passing notability and thus it's hard to claim that it doesn't assert notability.Horrorshowj (talk) 10:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right. I was reckless in not checking the discussion page to notice the AFDs before trying to speedy it. Vinh1313 (talk) 14:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review
List of male performers in gay porn films was deleted as a result of the recent Articles for deletion/List of male performers in gay porn films. The deletion is now the subject of Deletion review. I don't know whether that information belongs on the article page or not; if it does, could someone please add it? Thanks. &mdash; Chidom   talk   18:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't see why not; it's the same sort of thing. Added. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks much. &mdash; Chidom   talk   00:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Four categories speedied
I agree with Malik Shabazz that these categories (Category:Asian porn stars, Category:Hispanic porn stars, Category:Porn stars by ethnicity, and Category:Porn stars of Indian Origin) at least deserve a discussion before deletion, so I've removed the speedy tag from the others as well. Personally I'm of two minds about this sort of categorization, and could vote either way. But to unilaterally impose one's own personal view by deleting without any discussion seems counter to Wikipedia's policy of seeking a community consensus in this sort of thing. Dekkappai 22:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought the policy made it obvious. Joie de Vivre 22:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * What's obvious is that at least two editors disagree with your Speedying these categories. If the policy is obvious, then you should have no fear of a CfD discussion. Dekkappai 23:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Uhh... I don't. I thought the policy made it clear that such categories are generally against consensus.  Let the discussion begin.  Joie de Vivre 23:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Then you shouldn't object to my re-removing the "Speedy" tag. Thank you. Dekkappai 23:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome? Joie de Vivre 23:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Joie, you should note that Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality is a guideline and not a policy.


 * I would point out that the guideline says: "Dedicated group-subject subcategories, such as Category:LGBT writers or Category:African American musicians, should only be created where that combination is itself recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right. ... Generally, this means that the basic criterion for such a category is whether the topic has already been established as academically or culturally significant by external sources. If this criterion has not been met, then the category essentially constitutes original research. Although there are exceptions, this will usually mean that categories relating to social or cultural subjects are more likely to be valid than others. ... For example, gay literature is a distinct literary genre, and therefore an LGBT writers category is valid." (emphasis in original)


 * As I wrote at Category talk:Hispanic porn stars, some of these categories are significant in the adult entertainment industry. (That's certainly true of Hispanic and Asian performers; I don't know about Indian Origin.) As such, I think they should be kept: they have already been established as "culturally significant by external sources." — Malik Shabazz | Talk 23:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Luke Ford
Seems this page made a mention on Luke Ford's site. From


 * "Those who have been profiled in the mainstream media are shoe-ins for Wikipedia profiles. Those who have been profiled by such official Adult sources as AVN and XBiz are likely eligible for Wikipedia profiles. Those who have not been interviewed by anybody, or only interviewed by the likes of me, are likely to be deleted from Wikipedia."

Question: would you consider that to be an accurate summary? Tabercil 19:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Heads up
Looks like we've got another deletion-mad editor. user:Vinh1313 made mass "Speedy delete" nominations, and now is at work filling up the AFD list. Dekkappai (talk) 17:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Assume good faith with another editor's action, especially one who also belongs to the wikiproject: pornography. So knock it off with the deletion-mad talk. Vinh1313 (talk) 17:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have assumed good faith, and I see an editor going deletion-mad. I stand by my words, and I see bad faith assumed from you. No need for further communication. Dekkappai (talk) 18:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever dude. Using a contentious word like mad to describe another editor is bad faith. I've already explained that I am reviewing and submitting the speedy and AfD nominations individually (on a case by case basis) on myusertalk and I'm doing them after careful deliberation. The open nominations I listed seem to be getting delete votes. Vinh1313 (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

X-Critic Deletion Review
I know there was nothing about the review on the projects deletion page while it was active. My question is, does anyone know if the article was actually tagged with a deletion review tag as required? I'm not thinking it was due to someone's conspicuous absence from the discussion. Horrorshowj (talk) 00:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC) Never mind found that it was. All though I'm pretty annoyed about some of the accusations in it. Horrorshowj (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Mass-prodding
Articles in this category are being prodded faster than I could even list them at the board. Dekkappai (talk) 01:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * In working to "save" Marie Luv, I came across these articles, which announce the 2007 and 2008 AVN Award winners. I hadn't realized that Marie Luv and Jada Fire were award winners.
 * "2007 AVN Award Winners Announced", AVN, January 14, 2007.
 * Jared Rutter, "2008 AVN Awards Winners Announced", AVN, January 12, 2008.
 * I recommend that other WikiProject members take a minute to see if any performers on your watchlists have won awards and, if so, add the awards to their bios before they get PRODded or AFD'ed. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Blanking at AfD in progress
Didn't want to take up talk page space, but one of the content-blankers removed it from the front page. The current AfD on Airi & Meiri is undergoing mass content-blanking, and the discussion is also being edited to avoid mention of this activity. THIS was the state the article was in before I gave up on it. It's probably a totally unsourced stub again-- as I found it-- now, so that it can be more easily deleted. Dekkappai (talk) 21:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Moving this under WP:DELSORT
I'm a regular deletion sorter these days. I do my sorting by a semi-automated extension for Twinkle. Each sort is 2-3 clicks, beyond anything needed to decide where to sort.

But the tool only supports projects that are under the deletion sorting project. This page is one of the major ones that is not under the project. No tool support means I simply do not sort to this page. So I was wondering whether it would be possible to bring this page under that project. The likely major stumbling block is that the page would need to come under the standards of that project. At a minimum you would gain:


 * 1) Support under the automated sorting tool, which means that us sorters who use that tool could actually sort things to here.
 * WP:DELSORT has a bot that regularly archives closed discussions. This appears to currently be a manual process on this page.

There are likely other pros/cons, but those are the ones that are obvious to me. This is, at this point, just a feeler to see if the idea has generally support and/or opposition, before trying to take any sort of official action on the idea. - TexasAndroid (talk) 14:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Some of the recent deletions
Due to the multiple year requirements of PORNBIO, we should at least keep a copy of people that were nominated for awards in 2009 on the chance that they might be nominated for 2010. Especially considering the 2010 AVN nominations will come out in late October-early November. Morbidthoughts (talk) 19:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We can keep a list below of 2009 nominees that are deleted or are about to be deleted. Epbr123 (talk) 23:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Chloe Delaure
 * Jennifer Dark
 * Viva Style

Maya Ababadjani
KevinOKeeffe has deleted the article about Danish porn model Maya Ababadjani. This is a complete mistake. She appeared in many Danish films and was one one of the most discussed Danish porn models of her generation, with interviews on TV-talkshows and many articles in daily newspapers, periodicals, etc. The notable mainstream film journal Ekko, for example, published an article on her in its September 2004 issue (here is the online version: Helt almindelig og alligevel ikke). I pointed out on the discussion page why this article should not be deleted, but this was simply ignored by KevinOKeeffe who deleted the article without replying. I then commented the deletion on his user page, but this too he has simply ignored. The article should be restored if possible, and perhaps KevinOKeeffe should be blocked from editing. --Minutae (talk) 23:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this with the administrator who deleted the article. Morbidthoughts (talk) 23:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. --Minutae (talk) 16:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

AfD of VirtuaGirl
If you care to contribute, Articles for deletion/VirtuaGirl. &mdash;Eekerz (t) 19:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)