Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portugal/Madeira work group

Proposal
Hello everyone! Or should I just say "Hello John Carter!", since you appear to be the only editor behind this work group? I'm writing because I believe this worthy work group should not be a part of WikiProject Africa, but of WikiProject Portugal. You see, Madeira, as you most probably know, although technically located in the African Plate, some 650 km (360 mi) off the North African coast, it belongs ethnically, culturally and politically to Europe, some 955 km (583 mi) from the European mainland. I bleieve it would benifit this work group and the articles about Madeira if the whole endeavour would be transfered to WikiProject Portugal. What do you say? I'll wait for your answer. Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 03:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You have a point. For what it's worth, the work group, like a lot of others, was created to be as it were a "joint" subproject of both the project for the region in which it is included and its "home" country. In fact, I seem to remember having set up the banner in such a way that it assessed for the Madeira group as well as WikiProject Africa and WikiProject Portugal. Part of the reason for setting it up under the region was the possibility/probability that content related to native lifeforms, geography, and the like would be better known by members of the regional project, while the political content would be better known by the members of the "political" parent project. At this point, though, considering that it would probably mean adjustment's to the Africa project's banner, you'd probably want to contact them about it. I will try to do the rest of the assessments for the region, and maybe adjust the banner myself to make the work group visible, later this week, possibly today, more likely in a few days. John Carter (talk) 14:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, even regarding native lifeforms and geography, I do believe that it would work better in WikiProject Portugal. I'm not com pletely sure of what you're asking me to do. Should I contact WikiProject Africa regarding specifically what issue or question? Sorry about my ignorance! The Ogre (talk) 14:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Like I said, the Africa project banner currently automatically assesses for WikiProject Portugal as well with only that one banner, thus reducing the number of banners required on the talk page. If the Portugal project banner could be adjusted to do the same for Africa, I doubt there would be any real objections, but because it would probably involve changes to the Africa project's banner it probably would be best to seek and get their approval first. John Carter (talk) 14:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I get it! I didn't realize that the the present form also assessed for WPPT... And I had the trouble of (re)adding the WPPT template to all those pages... Stupid me! The Ogre (talk) 14:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But... shouldn't then the exact location of the work group be WikiProject Portugal/Madeira work group? The Ogre (talk) 14:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be. Right now, though, as it is the Africa banner being used, it made sense for it to be named as a subproject of Africa. It is currently listed as a task force on the main Portugal project page, and it probably wouldn't be objected to if the name you suggested were made a redirect to the existing page. But you'd probably want consensus before actually moving the extant page.
 * Ok. I'm mobilizing people at both WP for the discussion then. Thanks! The Ogre (talk) 14:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello. What seems to be the issue here/How may I help? :-) Hús  ö  nd  21:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Husond! The issue is that I propose that the Madeira work group should preferably be a sub-page of WikiProject Portugal instead of WPAfrica, and that the flags displayed in the banner should be those of Portugal and Madeira. My rationale, as stated above, is that Madeira, while technically in the techtonic African Plate, has little if anything to do with that continent. The Ogre (talk) 04:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: I agree with "The Ogre" [the name alone makes me quake in my boots :)] that the Madeira "project" should be part of the Portugal portal and show show that way. Culturally, ethnically, and politically it is part of Metropolitan Portugal. As for its climate and natural history, I think a lot of what one finds there now was transplanted from the European mainland (e.g., sugar-cane), or is its own unique mini-environment floating out there in the Atlantic.Ron B. Thomson (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * As for Madeira's (original) environment, you can check Laurisilva, where the strong biotic relations to Azores, the Canary Islands, and Cape Verde are explained. Velho (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I see this was discussed but Madeira is still a part of WPAfrica... Why? Filipalpg 18:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filipalpg (talk • contribs)

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