Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion/Unitarian Universalism work group/Archive 1

Unitarian Universalism work group? discussion from WikiProject Council/Proposals
There has been a suggestion over on the WikiProject Religion talk page to create a work group or possibly separate project, depending on amount of interst, consisting of folks interested in articles related to Unitarian Universalism. So would anyone here be interested in joining in such an effort. --Devin Murphy (talk) 07:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Interested wikipedians
 * John Carter 15:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Aleta
 * Devin Murphy
 * Paul Rickter 18:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Enough interest has been shown that I've created a work grou page at WikiProject Religion/Unitarian Universalism work group. Please continue discussion there. :) Aleta 19:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Lotta Hitschmanova
I am updating this article and there is a notice about obtaining a picture for the article. I contacted USC Canada whom she worked for and obtained a picture of Lotta. I informed them that I would add it to Wikipedia as a public domain picture as long as they are cited as the owner. I went to the upload pictures page and chose "The copyright owner allows this work to be used for non-commercial and/or educational purposes". I figure this is close enough. But then it adds a notice that this is no good and the picture will be speedily deleted. WTF is going on here? Can someone tell me why they put this option here if you can't use it? Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed. Atrian (talk) 14:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I notice no one has responded to Atrian. I have not until now just because I don't know.  Your choice sounds reasonable to me, but I'm not an expert on image fair use. Do any of our administrators or other members have any insight? Aleta (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I posted the same notice on the Canadian Wikipedia project page and received a good answer. It is a non-trivial subject, to say the least. Atrian (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you got a good answer somewhere! So briefly, what did you learn? Aleta (talk) 00:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That unless you actually took the picture yourself and want to donate for complete free access, putting a picture up on Wikipedia is f%&$!@g complicated! Atrian (talk) 14:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Holly Near
I'm almost certain Holly Near's a UU, but I can't find any reliable sources to say so. I've found where she gave the Ware Lecture at the 2004 GA, but that doesn't prove anything. Anyone have a reliable source we can use? Aleta  (Sing)  21:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

List of Unitarians, Universalists, and Unitarian Universalists
Hey all, this list is currently well referenced. However, it is missing a lot of entries. The reasons for both of these include the fact that back in November, someone deleted all the unreferenced entries. If you can, try to find sources and add them back to the list.

Also, this diff shows the entries that have been deleted because there was no separate article on the person. If you want to start any articles, that may be a source of needed article topics. Aleta  (Sing)  17:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Spiritualistic practises
Hi.

I would like to start a workgroup for individuals interested in documenting the broad spectrum of spiritualist practises and wonder if it would fit within your Project.

I wish not to treat the subject in the pejoratively used 'pseudoscientific' manner nor the associated religious and ritualistic practises paranormal but from a religious, sociological or anthropological points of view. I am also refining spiritualistic phenomena from general "spirituality".

By "spiritualistic", I am not refer to Modern Spiritualism but to paraphrase Conan Doyle, the timeless practise of similar phenomena through all history and peoples - which obvious pre-dates and out-steps the movement. I do not with to unnecessarily engage in the "skeptic versus adherent" debate but rather just take the starting point of observing and documenting the whole.

I have made a start on the general Spiritualism page and with a template, here; Template:Spiritualistic_small. It has already incurred the wrath of a individuals support a limited orthodox use of the word Spiritualism who has put it up for deletion here, your comments welcome.

The most important sections I weak are weak and need defining are those relating to the ;


 * (Philosophical)
 * (Metaphysical)
 * (Ethical)
 * (Epistemological)

use of the word. --Lucyintheskywithdada (talk) 03:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Lucy, it doesn't sound like it should be a subproject of this one (though there may be places we'd overlap). You might want to make it another work group of our parent project WikiProject Religion or of WikiProject Spirituality.  I'm not sure which would be more appropriate.  Aleta   (Sing)  21:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Tagging work group articles - technical question
Other workgroups of WP:RELIGION have a line in that infobox that, when turned on, identify an article as belonging to that workgroup (such as |LeftHandPath=yes). How can we create the same thing for this project? I don't know much about the mechanics of that sort of thing. Aleta  (Sing)  16:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, by adding "|UnitarianUniversalism=yes" in the same way. I'm going to be adding a couple of more specs below the template in a while, but that should work for now. Sorry for the delay. And it might be a good idea to remind me again in a week or so about the adding of details, because with my memory I could fairly easily forget it. John Carter (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thanks, John! Aleta   (Sing)  23:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Buckminster Fuller
I noticed that Buckminster Fuller is fiilled under the cadegoery Unitarin Universalists. But there seams to be no references or citations to back this claim up in his article. Dos anyone know if this is true or not because if it is true this would by so cool.--Devin Murphy (talk) 23:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I just removed the category. I think they were conflating Richard Buckminster Fuller with Arthur Buckminster Fuller, the Unitarian minister. See . (Too bad! That would indeed have been cool.)  Aleta   (Sing)  00:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It would seem that Richard is Arthur's grandson. So it is still entirely possible that he was Unitarian.  But we have to find a source to say so...  Aleta   (Sing)  00:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Found a source! http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/fuller.html Aleta   (Sing)  00:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've added into the article that he was Unitarian and Arthur's grandson with the two sources I've given above (and put the article into Category:Unitarians. Aleta   (Sing)  00:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration
I would support making Unitarian Universalism our first official collaboration. Aleta (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seeing as I nominated it I holy sport it being our first official collaboration as well. --Devin Murphy (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am going to go ahead and make Unitarian Universalism our first official collaboration. And I hope all of you can help to mack it a better article. --Devin Murphy (talk) 18:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea! (3 months later) Aleta  Sing 19:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Tagging articles with work group categories
I think work group categories need to be kept for talk pages, not article pages. I notice that after I removed the work group category from Unitarian Universalist, Devin put it back. Can we move it to Talk:Unitarian Universalist? Also, should the work group parameter in the religion project template automatically put those pages in our cats? Aleta  Sing 19:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

New Here
I just added "WikiProjectReligion |class=Start |importance= |UnitarianUniversalism=yes" to Talk:Universal reconciliation, but I figured I should check here to make sure what I've done is appropriate. Also, if I want to be a part-time contributor to the project, do I just add my name to the member list? Thanks. Mmyotis (talk) 19:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Moved from Aleta's talk page
I'm copying this conversation over here since it seems like it would be worthwhile for all the project participants to be able to comment in it. Aleta  Sing 23:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest a list of notable UUs, probably on the WikiProject page (that may not fly as a standalone article). Articles on notable theologians and churches would also work. I would like to see a better UU barnstar (the one that was proposed isn't that attractive, or at least I don't think it is). I wish there was a way to bring the UUA itself into the process -- do they even know we're here? Ecoleetage (talk) 23:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, List of Unitarians, Universalists, and Unitarian Universalists does exist as a standalone list already. No argument about the notable theologians and churches. Have you had a look through the categories? I agree about the star. I doubt the UUA knows about us. Of course, we would have to be careful about WP:COI issues. Aleta  Sing 23:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Unitarian Church (Charleston, South Carolina)
I just tagged this article with the project. It could be a great DYK if someone is interested in expanding it.  APK  yada yada  02:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, APK. Actually, we need to merge it into Unitarian Universalist Church in Charleston (S.C.). It's the same church. Aleta  Sing 02:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've merged them, but I'm tired. If someone else wants to check how smooth the merger is, that would be a good thing! <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 02:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The UU Barnstar
I hate to be mean, but that proposed UU Barnstar is not very attractive. Are there other design ideas out there? Ecoleetage (talk) 19:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No thoughts? Well, if no one objects to the design, when can we turn it into a real Barnstar? Ecoleetage (talk) 03:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree it's not the prettiest barnstar around, but I have no skill to create another option. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 13:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I can barely draw a straight line. Well, if we use the design, it would look like this:

If people are satisfied, what do say that we start giving it out? Ecoleetage (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK by me. Other opinions? <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 03:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Aleta, I think it is just you and I around here! :) If there are no objections, is it okay to give this out to people who are supportive of UU history and culture articles? Ecoleetage (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I say we go a head with it. --Devin Murphy (talk) 03:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Excellent. I will start spreading the love! Ecoleetage (talk) 11:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Question about scope
Do people think we should limit ourselves to Unitarian Universalism, per se? Or how much should we include of Unitarianism and Universalism that's not necessarily under the UU umbrella? <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 18:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Personal opinion, for what little it might be worth, is the Unitarianism and Universalism joined together to create UU, so in effect their history is also the history of UU. In effect, probably, yeah, those subjects should be included as well. John Carter (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is my take as well, but I didn't want to assume for the whole group. :) Thanks, John! <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 19:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * My take on the scope of this project is that it should focus on modern Unitarian Universalism. Including the creation and maintenance of articled that pertain to its groups and organizations, as well as its churches, congregations, fellowships and societies, plus those articles that pertain to its noteworthy people, cultural practices. Practices such as worship and youth conference and the like. As well I feel this project should also be responsible for the creation and maintenance of articled that pertain to the noteworthy people, groups, and organizations that helped to bring about modern Unitarian Universalism. And I feel that stuff that may be important to Unitarianism and Universalism but has nothing to do with either modern Unitarian Universalism or its lineage should be out of the scope of the project. --Devin Murpht (talk) 01:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Marilyn Sewell
Hey folks, I'm a UU, but as much as I would like to help out here, I've already got plenty to keep me busy! Anyway, I ran across this article about a local UU minister, Marilyn Sewell, and though it is a copyvio, my main concern is if you think she's notable. If she is, I'll just prune it down to a stub. She does have several publications, but if they are UU specific, that might not be enough. Obviously we need some reliable third-party sources, but I'm hoping someone who's been a UU longer than I have can help make the call. Thanks! P.S. I like the barnstar. Katr67 (talk) 05:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just wrote a brand new article on Dr. Sewell, using multiple sources. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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Shooting at TVUUC
Regarding the recent shooting at Tennessee Valley UUC, there's already been posted a query at Talk:Unitarian Universalism about whether that article should mention the shooting. I said that I think it's too general an article to mention that. We may want to consider creating an article for Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, but also keep in mind that Wikipedia is not the news. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 19:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Some possible sources/ external links:
 * http://www.tvuuc.org/
 * http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/church.shooting/index.html
 * http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/woman-accused-shooter-hated-anyone-different-him/


 * Someone has created an article about the shooting: 2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 23:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Categories for Discussion
Christian Universalists and various subcats. See Categories for discussion/Log/2008 July 28. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 23:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is very little discussion happening there. Any input you can give would be good! <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 23:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Sunday school
Should some UU content be added to the Sunday school article, seeing as UU churches do have Sunday school classes? --Devin Murphy (talk) 01:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Enh. Maybe. If you can find some good sources, it might be worth a line or two? <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 01:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD of possible interest
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Newington Green Unitarian Church
I notice that Newington Green Unitarian Church has been added to your project. I welcome the involvement of other editors with the first substantial article I have written from scratch, and if this listing adds to more eyes and hands, that would be great. However, I think it only fair to point out that, as it says in the lede, NGUC belongs to the General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches, which is not quite the same thing as UU -- in fact, I don't know if that even exists in the UK. BrainyBabe (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by the way, it is due to go on the frontpage with a Do You Know in a few minutes! Watch out for its six hours of fame! BrainyBabe (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

New UU sub-category
Hi I have created a new sub-category for articles about Unitarian Universalist organizations. So if it is not a UU church/congregation/fellowship but some other kind of UU organization do put it in Category:Unitarian Universalist organizations. But if it is a church etcetera, do put it in Category:Unitarian Universalist churches, thanks. --Devin Murphy (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Tagged
I was looking at a friend's photo, and noticed the church's article wasn't included in the UU project. I've tagged it, along with the following articles: Most are listed on the National Register of Historic Places. A few of the buildings are National Historic Landmarks, so I rated them as Mid-importance.  APK  that's not my name  19:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * All Souls Unitarian-Universalist Church (Bellville, Ohio)
 * First Church in Boston
 * First Parish Church (Duxbury, Massachusetts)
 * First Parish Church (Taunton, Massachusetts)
 * First Parish Unitarian Church
 * First Unitarian Church (Baltimore, Maryland)
 * First Unitarian Church (Peabody, Massachusetts)
 * First Unitarian Church (Somerville, Massachusetts)
 * First Unitarian Church (Stoneham, Massachusetts)
 * First Unitarian Church of Philadelphia
 * First Unitarian Church of Rochester
 * First Unitarian Universalist Church of Niagara
 * First Universalist Church (Provincetown, Massachusetts)
 * First Universalist Church (Rochester, New York)
 * First Universalist Church (Salem, Massachusetts)
 * First Universalist Church (Somerville, Massachusetts)
 * Second Unitarian Church (Brooklyn, New York)
 * Temple Israel (Lafayette, Indiana)
 * Unitarian Memorial Church
 * Unitarian Society (Fall River, Massachusetts)
 * Unitarian Universalist Church (Cortland, New York)
 * Universalist Society Meetinghouse
 * Very good... thanks, APK! Lady  of  Shalott  03:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Call for editors to help manage religion related content
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 18:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

CfDs
Take a look Here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --Devin Murphy (talk) 00:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches a UU organization?
Someone has added the General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches to the Template:Unitarian Universalism topics under organizations. As far as I know they don’t identify themselves as a Unitarian Universalist organization but, rather a Unitarian and Christian one. I guess I was just wondering if you all thought they fit the definition of a UU organization ‘cause I am doubtful they do, but if you all think they do then I will leave them included as well as go put them in Category:Unitarian Universalist organizations. --Devin Murphy (talk) 03:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

They are members of International Council of Unitarians and Universalists; as is the UUA. Steven R. (talk) 21:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Article importance grading scheme
I have included a new article importance grading scheme on the work group page. It's for us here to use in prioritizing which articles are of most impotent to our efforts and the subject of Unitarian Universalism in particular. Feel free to propose improvements to it here on our talk page. --Devin Murphy (talk) 00:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not bad. A few possible suggestioons: At least personally, I like to give the main article, in this case Unitarian Universalism, and any direct subarticles linked to with a "see also" link "Top" priority, because those articles tend to be among the first that an editor coming here would read. Then, using a kind of outline pattern, any articles which are direct subarticles of those first-level subarticles get "High". And so on. Most individuals directly related to the group are of "Mid" importance, (some few high), and people who are affiliated with but have had no particular impact on the group would qualify as "Low". This provides a bit of structure and makes it a bit easier to arrange content. Certain individual articles, like for instance in this case the flaming chalice then are the only ones which become, in a sense, possible points of argumentation. John Carter (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

The Cambridge Platform
I've tagged this article for our workgroup. It concerns a historic document that is foundational to congregational polity in the United States. It is very well begun by those with an interest in Congregationalism or the UCC, but was not tagged for the Religion project or for a UCC workgroup, if one exists. I also do not know how to rate it in terms of class or importance. I'd appreciate it if others had a look. I have a dual interest in the page as both a UU and a native of Cambridge. Cantabwarrior (talk) 01:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

You might be interested in commenting on this AfD:
Articles for deletion/Unitarian Bahaism Lady  of  Shalott  16:05, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Banner
A lot of the content related to the Unitarian Universalists falls within the broadly "Christian" field, even if the group has changed a bit in recent years. On this basis I have added UU parameters to the Template:WikiProject Christianity as well, which can be used for this group and provide assessment information for the parent Christianity project as well. I would propose this banner be used for material directly relating to the clearly Christian phase of the UU movement, using this text. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Need some attention at WP:CFD
Please take a look at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 December 29. Mangoe (talk) 13:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Universalism
Dos anyone else fined it weird that Unitarian Universalism is listed under groups on the Template:Universalism under Christian Universalism and on the article Universalism in the see also section under Christianity alongside several Christian denominations. I know the Christian Universalist Association was one of the founding two groups that led to the UUA and ultimately to what we know today as UU but, I don't now anyone who would call UU a Universalist religion. I am in noway denying that some UU's within UUism are indeed Universalists and Christian Universalists just UU as a religion or religious movement if you prefer is not a Universalist thing and as such these listing are incorrect or at the vary least can lead people to coming to incorrect conclusions about UUism. Thoughts on how to properly list Unitarian Universalism in these places would be appreciated. Also Unitarian Universalism is also probably listed in similar ways in other articles here on Wikipedia that could use from some fixing up as well. --Devin Murphy (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, templates and groups and lists and other such ways of dividing up the wiki-world can be weird and are often imperfect. It is better that they cast their net wide, in my view. What matters more is that the text of any given article is to a high standard: rigorous and comprehensive. You say that the Christian Universalist Association was one of the founders of the Unitarian Universalist Association; my understanding is that the UUA was formed by a merger of the American Unitarian Association and the Universalist Church of America. BrainyBabe (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed new article
I proposed at Talk:Unitarianism to start an article on History of Unitarianism in Britain. Some of the key articles, such as Unitarianism and General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches are top-heavy with history. History of Unitarianism is not all it could be either. Would anyone care to contribute? Or are there any convincing arguments why I shouldn't? BrainyBabe (talk) 10:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello BrainyBabe. I'm very interested to contribute in the 1700-1800 window, but Britain already has a substantial section in History of Unitarianism, but not overweight given that in the 18th-19thC this was primarily a British denomination. Is it needed to take Britain out? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I want to clear out the excess history in the GAUFCC article. If any of it is good, it shouldn't be erased, but needs to find a new home. The obvious place is HofU. If that means that it in turn becomes top-heavy, maybe then we will need to consider a HofUinB. But not this week, I think. BrainyBabe (talk) 00:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * On that aspect I see your point. Evidently some of the early material in GAUFCC (1928) really belongs back in B&FUA (1825) or earlier in the Britain section of History of Unitarianism. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Nature of the Unitarianism article
New eyes and voices would be appreciated at the Unitarianism talkpage. The discussion now seems to be, should the article be about the Christian theology or the current movement, however that can be defined? BrainyBabe (talk) 11:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Seconded. New eyes and voices would indeed be appreciated. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

YRUU
I have proposed that YRUU be merged into Unitarian Universalism. If you have any thoughts on this matter, please comment at Talk:Unitarian Universalism. Thanks, Lady  of  Shalott  23:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

AfD of possible interest
Don Heights Unitarian Congregation has been listed at AfD. Members of this project may wish to comment. Lady of  Shalott  01:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed MOS for Religion
There is now a proposed general Manual of Style for Religion and other articles relating to ethoses or belief systems at WikiProject Religion/Manual of style. Any input would be welcome. I personally believe at least one of the reasons why many articles in this field have been as contentious as they have been is because of lack of such guidelines, and would very much welcome any input from others to help come up with some generally acceptable solutions to some of these problems. John Carter (talk) 21:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

UU Portal
Unitarian Universalism should be represented when people look at the Religion Portal. We are quite high on the List of religious populations - well high enough to be on the list, which is more than some of the other religions on the Religion Portal. Is there a reason why this has not been done? What are the pros and cons of doing it? Bodysurfinyon (talk) 04:22, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to including UU related info on the Religious Portal, certainly UU related articles could be nominated for inclusion. I think this has not been done, but it could be. All It would take is for someone like yourself to take the initiative. But if you are referring to the creation of a stand alone UU Portal which one could link to from the Religious Portal, well I think this would be a far greater task. And, frankly I am not sure if we could get enough folks to maintain a stand alone UU Portal. --Devin Murphy (talk) 19:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this insight. I'm clueless about what a stand alone portal is, but, that was what I was suggesting. It seems like nominating articles is an easier first step. Does that mean adding articles to Portal:Religion/Categories_and_Main_topics . If not, how would someone nominate articles for inclusion in Portal:Religion aka P:R Bodysurfinyon (talk) 05:12, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Bodysurfinyon if you go to Portal:Religion and look in the bottom right corner of the Selected article, Selected religious figure or deity, Selected picture, Did you know..., On this day..., Selected quote and, Selected scripture sections you will find a link to their individual nomination pages on which you can nominate new content for inclusion in those sections. And about Portal:Religion/Categories_and_Main_topics, it's Categories section doesn't list articles but rather lists categorizes related to religion. But the Main topics and, the Featured content sections on this page do link to pages. If you would like to suggest an appropriate link be added to one of the sections of this page I would suggest you do that on the talk page. And Portal:Religion is a stand alone portal and the section on this page Related portals, stand alone portals related to an aspect of religion. I am not sure how one would go about creating a new stand alone portal, but I am sure there is a proper Wikipedia process one most follow to have this kind of thing don. Portal has more info about portals. --Devin Murphy (talk) 16:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Devin, you deserve a star! I will figure out something to nominate for at least one of those. Hopefully it won't require too much burnishing. In terms of the Portal, I am a bit embarrassed to say that I think UUism desrves to be on the same level as many of the other portals, for example: Portal:Ahmadiyya was put together by one person a few years ago and not touched since. I realize this is a little off base on two accounts - Wikipedia NPOV and the UU ban on evangelizing. Sigh. Bodysurfinyon (talk) 05:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Christianity or Religion banner, ?
As it stands, I am in the process of working on updating the Christianity WikiProject banner. Many, possibly most, of the articles directly relating to this topic might also relate directly to the time when the UU were basically Christian, and the input of that group might thus be useful. What would the rest of you think of perhaps adding some material relevant to that banner for this group, specifically for use on articles which deal with the clearly Christian phase of the UU history? If such were wanted, the Christianity banner could provide assessment details, and a relevant link, for this project, even if it is officially a subproject of WikiProject Religion. Any responses would be more than welcome. John Carter (talk) 17:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi John, I'm not sure I'm entirely clear on what you are suggesting. I agree that for many of the articles relevant to this group, the Christianity banner is also relevant (because it's obviously true :) ). So, are you suggesting perhaps if articles have not been assessed for the Religion/UU banner, but have for the Christianity one, that the assessment be inherited from the one to the other? I'd have no objections to that. If you are making some other suggestion, and I'm just not getting it, please set me straight. Lady  of  Shalott  17:48, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically, the Christianity banner could be adjusted to provide both a link to the UU project page, like the Religion banner has, as well as provide assessments for both the UU work group and the Christianiyy project. I was wondering if that would be amenable to the members of this group. If it were, we might be able to use the Christianity banner alone on those articles which relate specifically to that period of UU history when it was basically Christian. At that time, the Religion banner could be made redundant. In cases of question, I think it would still be sensible to have both banners, but, for those selected articles, one might be enough. John Carter (talk) 17:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I do understand you! Thanks. In effect, that would make this a work-group of both WPReligion and WPChristianity. I have no problem with that - it seems quite reasonable given the scopes of this group and those projects, and it would prevent some redundancy of talk-page templates. Other folks? Lady  of  Shalott  18:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless you consider Christianity an offensive superstition. --Cantabwarrior 03:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cantabwarrior (talk • contribs)
 * No matter one's personal theological beliefs today, there is no denying that much of the history of Unitarian Universalism is Christian history. Lady  of  Shalott  03:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree with LadyofShalott's comment, if for no other reason than it might be difficult to disentangle the Christian history sections of articles on WP both pre-1961 denominations from UUA, even if strictly speaking sources like Gary J. Dorrien The making of American liberal theology 2006 p7 places the transition in the 1930s "Throughout the twentieth century, the post-Christian trajectory of the Unitarian / Unitarian Universalist tradition threw into question the “Christian” part of liberal theology. Did one have to be a Christian or believe in God to be part .. "etc. However if someone really objects and it can be done without disrupting navigation, I suppose "Christian" could be left off purely post 1961 articles? But I think it'd be easier to keep it on, just for practicality. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The overwhelming majority of purely post 1961 articles would not be within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, most partly pre-1961 articles on the other hand would be. WikiProject Christianity can be easily left off without disputing navigation. To make a UU article part of WikiProject Christianity use WikiProject Christianity, otherwise use WikiProject Religion.


 * On that note I found that most, if not the vast majority, of the UU churches we have articles about are former Christian churches. Ether we disproportionately cover former Christian churches (which makes sense because an old church is more likely to be notable and more likely to be formerly Christian), or most UU churches realty are former Christian churches. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Christian Universalism or Universalism
It it Christian Universalism or Universalism that this project covers? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:51, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * For the most part Christian Universalism. --Devin Murphy (talk) 21:46, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

proposal for creation of Category:Universalism stubs
Some of you may wish to have your say about this; proposal for creation of Category:Universalism stubs. --Devin Murphy (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Universalism
I have attempted to cleanup the Template:Universalism infobox. But I feel it still needs some work. It would be good if others could have a look and see what they can add to it in the way of links, formatting and categorization. --Devin Murphy (talk) 18:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Straitening up Free Christian content
The content that was for a long time the content of the article named Free Christians has been moved into a new article named Liberal Christians. This content was about Free Christianity in the UK and Ireland. The Free Christian article is now about Christian churches that us the term Free Christian and are both free from denominational affiliation and also open to all kinds of Christianity. I feel the content of the new Liberal Christians article would be best if it was merged back into the Free Christian Article. Thoughts on this less then helpful development of the Fee Christian content would be most appreciated. --Devin Murphy (talk) 19:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Merge Liberal Christians back into Free Christians
I have proposed that we merge the content of the Liberal Christians article back into the Free Christians one per my above comments. If interested I invite you to join the conversation here. User:Nived 90 9 Oct 2013
 * And related to that mess is the Talk:Free Christians (Britain) RM, and the WP:OR logo made in Corel Draw on Free Christians. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:32, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Free Christians is nominated for deletion
I have nominated the Free Christians article for deletion. Some of you may wish to go have your say on its entry here. --Devin Murphy (talk) 20:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Unitarian Universalists of San Mateo, California
This article has been WP:PRODded for lack of notability. If anyone wants to try to beef up this article and show that it is notable, now would be a good time. Lady of  Shalott  16:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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