Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music/Archive 4

Big Star
I would welcome comments Big Star since there seem to be a small group of editors who insist on listing the three replacement members of the band as current members. The band died with Chilton, they seem to want to wait for some sort official announcement that will most likely never come. 70.119.247.185 (talk) 00:51, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To make this clear so that we don't split the conversation comments should be made on the Big Star talk page . 70.119.247.185 (talk) 05:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The Beach Boys
Any fans of The Beach Boys around? There are plenty of good sources on this group and its members, and the articles themselves aren't too bad. But the articles don't have many citations to the source. Mike Love is especially bad, and it's been marked for source improves since 2006. Me and another editor have said for the past 8 months that we'll start cutting unsourced material soon, but no one really wants to do that if we can help it. OTOH, I'm too busy with other projects. Anyone else?  Will Beback   talk    09:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Rock music articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Linkin Park discography
I have added Linkin Park discography for peer review. If someone can check the list and see if anything wrong it would help. Thanks --Neo139 (talk) 03:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Loaded
I've been working on expanding and improving the Loaded article for some time now (article prior to edits) and I was considering nominating it for a good article after looking at the good article criteria. Before I consider nominating though, would welcome any suggestions on how to improve the article further (incase it doesn't meet the criteria) from editors far more experienced than myself. (HrZ (talk) 21:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC))

Seven Kingdoms (band)
Do we have a policy or guideline about music videos appearing in articles like in the above? I haven't seen any other articles that do show videos of the bands. Mo ainm ~Talk  18:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The article isn't exactly tidy, so I deleted two sections that were unencyclopedic, one of which was the music video area. I also deleted the timeline part because of its format. Thanks for the information. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 01:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thought, the videos were restored. It may have been a premature decision on my befalf, so after they were restored, I decided to decrease their size so that they are less imposing. I also added captions to them. I think I'll move them to another place on the page as well. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 01:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Music, not geology
I moved Mexican rock to Mexican rock music. In Wikipedia articles one should not assume that the lay reader knows the general context of an article at the outset. The reader may have followed a link from anywhere on the internet. Then, as always when one moves a page, I clicked on "what links here". I found a LONG list of articles in need of being moved for the same reason. Fortunately most of the links are from a template. I know of no way to see a list of links that are NOT from a template; therefore I can't say for sure how many of the pages currently linking to Icelandic rock are from articles about volcanoes on that island. Is there some way to get some bot to help with this task? Michael Hardy (talk) 02:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

PS: I was looking for something about geology via google; that's how I found this article. Experience has taught me that there actually are some people who won't guess that by reading what I wrote above. Really, there are. Michael Hardy (talk) 02:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of La Tristesse Durera (Scream to a Sigh)


The article La Tristesse Durera (Scream to a Sigh) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Single songs generally do not meet the requirements of WP:N, no mention of notability no references

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Invalid prod removed, see Talk:La Tristesse Durera (Scream to a Sigh)‎.Jdrewitt (talk) 01:32, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

In Fear and Faith demo
I left a note on the talk page for the band, In Fear and Faith and their demo album that was recorded almost as soon as they were incepted and all the information regarding it is within that section. Could it be deemed notable? Someone have a look, the band recorded it during high school and it earned them success by just the following year so I would guess it's in someway noteworthy for its own article. • GunMetal Angel  03:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

RFC regarding use of succession boxes in song and album articles
An RFC is taking place at WT:CHARTS to discuss the merits of their use on articles for songs and albums that reached number one on various music charts. As this may have an effect on many rock albums and songs, individuals in this project are encouraged to participate in the discussion. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 10:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Blues
A discussion is taking place on the most appropriate and helpful name for the article on the musical form the blues. It is currently named Blues. It was moved to The blues, then moved back to blues. A current suggestion is blues music. Wider consensus is welcomed.  SilkTork  *YES! 12:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Video index of the most influential rock music
An AfD discussion is taking place on this article at: Articles for deletion/Video index of the most influential rock music.-- SabreBD  (talk)  08:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Need your help - Spread Eagle Article nominated for deletion
My article Spread Eagle is nominated for deletion. user Timneu22 had posted two warnings before, one about notability, the other that I should wikify the article. I reacted to both of them explaining why I think the band is notable, about wikifikation I asked what he means (I use Wikitext, Timneu22 uses HTML ...).

He never answered to this but nominated the article for deletion straightaway with an explanation that gives the impression, that he has neither read the article nor the sources. An article with the same name has been deleted before, This is NOT the same article. The old one (not mine) is here:

I'm still quite new here, this is my second article I never had any problems with the first one although that was the touchier topic. I'm still having trouble with categories and references. So if there really is something wrong with the sources to indicate notability let me know and please help to improve it. I'm thankful for any kind of constructive criticism, but I think in this case not the article is the problem but the user. I you look at his contributions, he does nothing but nominate Articles for deletion. He also awarded himself with a lot of Barnstars, just for fun

So please, whoever has time for it, please join the discussion! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonslide (talk • contribs) 08:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Precedence of members in infoboxes
Hi, I'm not sure of the best way to do this, but I think that in the "Infobox musical artist" boxes there ought to be some way of highlighting the key members in a band's important "classic" line-up(s). Sometimes a band's glory days were, say, in the 1970s, and at that time they had maybe four members that everyone knows and everyone thinks "really" constitute(d) the band. Then the band limped on in numerous reincarnations, and even now still trade on the name. So, when you look at the "infobox", the "current members", who appear first, are a bunch of unimportant people you've never heard of. You have to look down to "former members" to find the "real" members of the band -- the ones who matter -- where they're lumped together with some bloke who played keyboards on one album in 1992 that no one's ever heard of. There should be some way of putting the important people first. 86.174.46.225 (talk) 12:55, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Very good point, and it's concerned me as well. Although I always put the major band members - or those who stayed the longest - first in any list, there has to be a better and more consistent way of doing it. But I'm not sure what approach is best - should the infobox template itself be changed? Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is good in theory, but bad in practise. People bicker enough over genres; imagine over what line-up is the "classic lineup" in bands like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Toto, etc where different lineups have had commercial success. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  16:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like to state that, as it is okay in theory, it ultimately is not a necessary procedure. Such information can be covered in the main body of the article, and yes, there may be feuding about it if that is implemented, and I am already sick enough with genre feuding, especially if it's from the same people. So, basically, I'm agreeing with Floydian there. Also, it would not be in good practice to minimize the importance of the other members while maximizing the members of the classic line-up, because the other members can still be notable. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 20:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

U2 3D featured article candidate
The article U2 3D has been nominated to be a feature article. Although the nomination was posted over a month ago, very little feedback has been given. If any users from this project can contribute to the FAC, I would appreciate it. Thanks. – Dream out loud (talk) 20:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Notability for albums by Lee Aaron
Recently, notibility tags were added to six of the seven album articles I made for hard rock singer Lee Aaron. I have contacted the editor who tagged them, but have yet to receive a response. In the meantime, might anyone on this project have any suggestions as to how should I proceed? I realise that the current sources provided within the articles are mere fan pages, and hence not reliable, but I myself physically own the albums and can confirm all the information from the liner notes. In which case, must the albums have received some kind of certifications or awards to be considered notable? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 02:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You are probably aware of WP:NALBUMS. Probably the stumbling point is in the first line with: "All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". That suggests that the albums themselves and fansites cannot be used to demonstrate notability. They clearly do not need to have awards, but some independent reviews might be a good place to start. Hope that helps.-- SabreBD  (talk)  07:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Two of the albums have an Allmusic review/star rating. Would that count towards notability? When it comes to the rest of Wikipedia's own list of suitable review sites, I wouldn't know where to begin because there are so many of them. Does the album merely have to be mentioned on one of those sites to be considered notable? I tried visiting a few of them, but there didn't seem to be any way of checking stuff from the past—in this case, the 1980s/early 1990s. Aaron is from Canada, and was apparently quite popular there, so could someone suggest sources which indicate any charting positions for her albums there? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The guidelines indicate that an album by a notable artists needs multiple independent and reliable sources, so an Allmusic review, which is generally considered a reliable source gets you some of the way there. I suggest you look for reviews and then check the list rather than the other way around.-- SabreBD  (talk)  22:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice so far. I have now found some top-100 charting positions for some of her albums via the Canadian Albums Chart article. Here is a source which states that her 1987 self-titled album reached a peak of #39 in that year. Whilst I continue to look for reviews, how much would this count towards notability? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

CCR being the American rock band
Under no criteria whatsoever were the CCR guys a rock band. At the very best the outfit represented the rockabilly stream of the popular music while some of their songs bordered on hillbilly. There is nothing derogatory about rockabilly (or hillbilly) classification. In fact, rockabilly has always represented the most danceable and, thus, enjoyable, part of popular music in the last 50 or so years. In fact the CCR songs constituted in 60's and 70's probably up to 80% of tunes you could here at barn and sock-hop dancing venues all through the US and Canada.Zulwowitz (talk) 00:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * They're a spin off of southern Blues. Same as Lynyrd Skynyrd. Rockabilly is still rock; rather than trying to figure out whatsub-sub-sub genre they belong to, we could just say "rock" and then expand in the article on their styles and influences. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  01:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with Floydian, CCR are most certainly a rock band. No question about it. What subgenre is somewhat harder to pin down, although swamp rock, southern rock (despite their Californian origins) and at times country rock are perhaps the best fits. I don't think I'd ever call them Rockabilly though. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 05:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Two questionable artist lists

 * List of hard rock musicians
 * List of soft rock musicians

Bringing this to the attention here, as I am wondering if the subject matter of both is just too wide of a net to ever be a useful or manageable list. You can pretty much list any rock n roll band or artist who has ever stepped on stage into one or the other, or even both depending on stages of their career. Tarc (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure if you want to discuss this here or on the article talkpages, but I have to say it is not helped by the fact that both articles have taken a pretty broad approach. The hard rock one contains a very large number of extreme metal bands. They are hard rock in the sense they they are not soft rock, but not part of a specific hard rock genre. It may not be possible to find reliable sources in order to support these articles.-- SabreBD  (talk)  23:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Those lists are way too broad and may not deserve their own respective articles. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 02:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * FYI I have brought the soft rock list to AfD as it is the, er, softer option of the two. Hard rock may be salvageable, though it seems like a band qualifies for that list more by what it isn't, i.e. "if it isn't metal, alternative, pop, or punk, then hard rock it is" than what it is, so... Tarc (talk) 19:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Zoo TV Tour featured article nomination
I just nominated Zoo TV Tour for Featured Article status. If you could review the article and visit the nomination page to provide your feedback, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 16:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The FAC has been open for nearly 3 weeks, but not many people have had the opportunity yet to give their feedback on the article. If anyone has a moment, I would appreciate it if they could chime in and review the article - I'd hate for the nomination to be closed because there was little attention paid to it. Thanks. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 12:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Guns N' Roses
See task force proposal here. -- Klein zach  02:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Grammy Awards task force
In case any project members would be interested in working on rock-related Grammy articles and lists. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

2 Hearts good article reassessment
An article that you have been involved in editing, 2 Hearts has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 03:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Mfd WikiProject Evanescence
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Evanescence. Thank you. -- Klein zach  03:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

"Mothers of the Disappeared" featured article nomination
Hello, the article for the song "Mothers of the Disappeared" has been nominated as a featured article. So far, not much attention has been paid to it, so I would appreciate it if someone could visit the nomination page and provide their feedback on the article. Thanks. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:42, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Beatles navbox discussion
Please be aware of the discussion at Talk:The_Beatles.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

How to request an assessment?
I have found the WP:WikiProject Rock music/Assessment page but there doesn't seem to be any section either there or here for assessment requests. I am interested in getting Psychedelic music assessed. I am not a contributor but I think it is an excellent article and ought to have an assessment. It doesn't currently belong to any WikiProject because it's difficult to pin down a genre for it. I reckon this project is the most suitable. So, any advice on how I can request an assessment? Scolaire (talk) 13:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Ordering of middle sections in articles about rock bands
Hi, I and another user are having a conversation over at Talk:Green Apple Quick Step concerning the presentation order of sections in articles about rock bands. We agree that Discographies, References, and External Links, etc. belong last (as in most other articles). However, following the lead paragraph (in sections such as History, Band members, and Musical Style), is there any consistent order that these should be presented in or is that a matter of editorial consensus? Those are the sections that we're discussing the proper order of, within this article, but do some clear standards apply to all such articles? Some guidelines do peripherally apply (or seem to add weight to one choice of order or another), such as WP:REPEATLINK, but none seems to directly address style guidelines for such articles.


 * My fellow editor prefers the history section first, then the musical style, with the band members list below that, and says of the musical style section, "rarely seen it come first, never on the (what is considered) higher standard of article". To that editor, reading the history section first seems more appropriate.


 * I rather prefer to read the lead, then the musical style (in this case fairly short), then the band members (also short), then the detailed history. To me, it flows better and represents the order in which I'd be interested in reading it.

We both recognize that it's less about our personal reading preferences than it is about writing good articles.

I'll go read some GA/FA articles on musicians and bands and see if I can discern any ordering preference among other editors. Can anyone point us in the right direction for guidance on ordering the middle sections or share any thoughts on what a GA/FA article ought to look like in that regard? Thanks much! d u f f  18:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

The White Stripes
As you may or may not know, the two members of The White Stripes have, in the past, claimed to be brother and sister. References have been provided that show that they were in fact married for a period of time. An anon WP:SPA has recently started removing one of the two references that prove as such. I believe they feel that the reference is no longer valid because the story used as a reference has a link to the marriage license that no longer works even though the story still exists and makes the claim. This issue has been discussed at length on the talk page. Rather than start/continue edit warring with the IP regarding a long standing and referenced claim in a GA music article, I'd come here and ask for assistance clearing up the matter, regardless of the outcome.  Ol Yeller Talktome 18:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Prince proposal
Please add your oppinion. I Help, When I Can.[12] 22:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

GAR for The Corrs
An article that falls within this project, The Corrs has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Do individual band members count as Hall of Fame inductees?
My concern is with "Category:Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees". The category page does not clearly indicate whether or not it is intended to include people who were inducted into the Hall of Fame as part of a band, but not as individuals. For instance, Steve Winwood, Chris Wood, Jim Capaldi, and Dave Mason were all inducted into the Hall of Fame as members of Traffic, but none of them have been inducted as solo artists. Should they be included in this category or not?--Martin IIIa (talk) 00:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that individual members of bands count as individual inductees themselves, just that they were inducted as part of a band. So the category should, in my view, include anyone who has been inducted, whether as part of a band or as a solo artist. Connected to this, some individuals get inducted twice, as part of two bands. David Crosby is a good example of this, he's been inducted into the R'n'R Hall of Fame twice, once as a member of The Byrds and once as part of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, but he's never been inducted as a solo artist. However, he is still considered a two-time inductee into the R'n'R Hall of Fame. Hope that helps. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 10:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've always assumed - perhaps wrongly - that the Hall of Fame itself specifies which band members are inducted, where the band membership has changed over time. For example, Doug Yule was not included when the Velvet Underground were inducted, and I'm pretty sure there have been other contentious cases.  The Hall of Fame website doesn't seem to make this clear - does anyone know?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I get that impression, too. To use Traffic as an example again, it seemed like only the original four members were inducted. All the surviving originals spoke at the ceremony, and Stephanie Wood stood in for her late brother Chris, but none of the later members such as Roger Hawkins or Rosko Gee were even mentioned, despite having contributed to some of the band's most well-known recordings. The List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees indicates specific members inducted, and seems to be fairly accurate, though oddly the only source it cites is the Hall of Fame website, which as you noted doesn't clearly say which members were inducted. --Martin IIIa (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is my understanding too, and it is certainly true in the case of The Byrds, who had many, many different line-ups during their existence. When The Byrds were inducted in 1991, it was only the five original members who were honoured at the ceremony, later key personnel such as Gram Parsons or Clarence White were quietly ignored. So, it's true that only certain line-ups of bands are inducted, and therefore only certain band members become Hall of Famers. As for why the R'n'R Hall of Fame doesn't publicise this aspect of its selection process more than it does, I'm guessing because they don't want to court controversy and offend anyone. I expect it's a case of a "don't mention it and no one will even notice" mentality. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Bon Jovi proposal
I have proposed the creation of a WikiProject Bon Jovi here. Bon Jovi is ranked high-importance on this project, so if you would like to join or add input, please go the discussion. Thanks!  Toa   Nidhiki  05  19:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Present Elvis to the world
Elvis Presley is a vital 1000 article that is a featured article and has not been presented as todays featured article on the main page. I think it should be. When nominated he will be unstoppable (as always). Anybody wants to tidy him up for the event? --Ettrig (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

David Bowie for TFA !?
I suggest you nominate David Bowie as Todays Featured Article at Today's featured article/requests. Please check first for unwise editing that may have occured after FA promotion. --Ettrig (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Cover art for Tool's 10,000 Days album
I would like to summon anyone coming across this thread (and preferably has experience with album cover displays) to take a look at this since I'm seeking help for a consensus here. • GunMetal Angel  07:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Rock music will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in rock; as performers, subject matter, artists, promoters, etc. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

WP Rock Music in the Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Rock Music for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 01:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Ramones
Hi folks,

I'm in a discussion on the talk page with someone who seems insistent on edit warring to get their own way without any consideration for collaboative working / opinion. Anyone who is able to spare the time, could you take a look and add your view please?

Socheid (talk) 15:41, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Wiki for Myself the Coverband
I'm in need for a page about Myself the Coverband, if you make it i will say you made it and put you at the bottom of my website.

Contact me if your interested!

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.102654129857125.3153.100003376146033&type=3#!/pages/Myself-the-Coverband/345842238777166 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myselfthecoverband (talk • contribs) 20:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Andrew Biersack
This article was previously deleted but now there's a request for a new article to be put up. A draft version is at User:Thatemooverthere/Andrew Biersack. The deleting admin has suggested asking relevent WikiProjects about this, so does anyone here have any views? One problem that jumps out at me initially is that there aren't many independent reliable sources as described in this guideline. Tra (Talk) 17:13, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Discipline Global Mobile DYK nomination
I nominated the following hook for DYK. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 17:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC) Did you know


 * ... music was called "an industry founded on exploitation, oiled by deceit, riven with theft and fueled by greed" by Robert Fripp (pictured), King Crimson guitarist and  founder of Discipline Global Mobile?

Kiefer .Wolfowitz 17:52, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of unreleased Michael Jackson material for featured list removal
nominated List of unreleased Michael Jackson material for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Rubiscous (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Crate Amplification - re-instate?
Please see this thread. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Possible FA
Featured article candidates/Everything That Happens Will Happen Today/archive4 I'm sorry to go stumping for this, but I've worked really hard on Everything That Happens Will Happen Today and I'd like someone to comment on the FAC so it can finally pass. Will someone please leave feedback there? Thanks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:16, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Wine, women and song
Sex, Drugs & Rock 'n' Roll (the phrase) now redirects to Wine, women and song. As a reader of wikipedia, I found this to be highly insightful. But there is no little section "Sex, Drugs & Rock 'n' Roll" on the "Wine, women and song" page. I think there should be one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headventure (talk • contribs) 08:30, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

List of deaths in rock and roll
Editors are invited to join in the discussion on article content and format at Talk:List of deaths in rock and roll. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

GAR
I have nominated Crush 40 for Good Article Reassessment since I don't think it meets the GA Criteria anymore. Please voice your opinion here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Imaginary Lines
I see that Imaginary Lines has been here, without any sources, since 2007. The only independent source I can find is this review. I am unable to judge reliability of sources in this area, or notability of this music. (There is also an uncited article on the producer, CygnusWave Music, and the artist, Ric Albano (that's how I came across this--I saw the article on him while patrolling Prods, & I would imagine the notability of these 3 subjects is interdependent).  DGG ( talk ) 00:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I would agree that those two articles that still exist do not have established notability as of yet. Also, the article about the artist has been deleted since your post. I think that the remaining to pages can be given an AfD discussion or be Prodded. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 22:22, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Battles
The usage of is up for discussion, please see Talk:Battles (band) -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Requests for comment at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles
You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalizing the definite article when mentioning the band's name in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. Tvoz / talk 23:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Salim Ghazi Saeedi
I think Salim Ghazi Saeedi is not notable enough for wikipedia, unsigned with unreliable sources, take a look. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for comments - Nick Drake
Hello,

you are invited to participate at this discussion. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 13:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion of Acid blues at WP:RFD
You are invited to join the discussion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 December 5. Gyrofrog (talk) 23:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

New Frank Zappa project
Well I thought it'd be of interest to project rock music that WikiProject Frank Zappa is now open! --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

FAC for Casting Crowns
An album under the scope of this project, Casting Crowns, is up for featured article currently. The article, if passed, would be the first featured article for a Christian rock album. Any members of this project are invited to comment on the article.  Toa   Nidhiki05  02:02, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

No Quarter and John Paul Jones
NOTE, see Talk:No quarter and talk:John Paul Jones for discussions of primacy and what articles are primary -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 06:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Rock On The Net
A user is repeatedly attempting to use http://www.rockonthenet.com/ as a source for a past Grammy nominee. Specifically, the user is attempting to use as a source for Lita Ford's alleged Grammy nominations from the 1980s and 90s. I'm not familiar at all with this website but it's reliability seems questionable. Any thoughts? ChakaKongtalk 21:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Nekrogoblikon
Music articles aren't my thing but I was doing some tidying up of categories and came across, an attempt to appeal a deletion on the grounds of "we're more notable now than when the article was deleted 5 years ago". Obviously that was the wrong place to do it so I'm moving the text here and deleting the cat. My sense is that it's marginal - they're at that stage where they're just starting to get attention, so I leave it to people with more experience of this kind of article to make the call.Le Deluge (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC) T_Thrust here, also the frontman of the metal band Nekrogoblikon, which was protected by you back in 2008. I would like to request that the page be remade. Since 2008, we have met every criteria for bands to appear on wikipedia.

(if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page,)

I'm still new to the whole wikipedia system, so I'm not sure if this is the correct action to take.

Here is our music video, currently with 1,538,834 views since its release in September http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMKOx6fumc

here are links to articles that qualify us for notability:

http://www.guitarworld.com/interview-nekrogoblikons-tim-lyakhovetskiy-and-alex-alereza

http://www.hailsandhorns.com/featuresandinterviews/nekrogoblikon-talk-about-choosing-their-name-the-no-one-survives-music-video-and-their-influences-outside-of-music/

http://www.metalsucks.net/tag/nekrogoblikon/

http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/10615/the-fix-90---top-10-videos-of-2012

That should be enough to get us notability.

I sent a message to the last person who deleted the page as well (AngelOfSadness).

Please let me know if there's anything I missed! I really don't know if this is the appropriate way to contact you, but it's the only thing I can think of.

All the best, Nicky

(Sorry, I accidentally posted this in the category above... I'll delete what I put in there now, whoops) User:T Thrust (talk) 22:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Eagles
The usage of is up for discussion, see talk:Eagles (band) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:17, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Vital articles
There is a discussion regarding which music articles should be deemed vital to the project occuring here. Your input would be appreciated. GabeMc (talk&#124;contribs)  21:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Black Veil Brides Barnstar
I created this barnstar as an award to editors who have contributed to Black Veil Brides' and other rock and metal related pages. I like how it incorporates the Black Veil Brides "pentacharm" (5 "BVB" logos put together into a star). Does anyone have opinions on this?  That emo over there (Talk)  00:22, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Barnstars have to be for larger scope than BVB speciific. I think you should makee one not so specific. Maybe a black barnstar, flames on the back and a guitar in the front is general enough for it to be used for all rock and metal related pages.Lucia Black (talk) 05:34, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone have the Oasis album Heathen Chemistry booklet ?!?!
If you do then can you tell me what the credits and personnel are for "Stop Crying Your Heart Out", "Thank You for the Good Times" and "Shout It Out Loud" in the booklet please? Either on "Stop Crying Your Heart Out's talk page or on my user talk please, it would be very appreciated. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   19:44, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion: Over The Mountain
I'd like to solicit opinions regarding the merge discussion happening here in regards to an Ozzy Osbourne song called Over the Mountain. Any input is appreciated, as we've so far been unable to reach consensus. ChakaKongtalk 21:11, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Can I get some eyes on recent genre changes at Kiss?
Thanks. Evanh2008 (talk&#124;contribs) 12:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Will do.--  SabreBD  (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Zoom magazine article
There is a discussion at Talk:Technical Ecstasy regarding content from a magazine called Zoom. Any input in the discussion is appreciated. ChakaKongtalk 20:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Song article nominated for FA
The article Slug (song) has been nominated to be a featured article, but no comments have been made since its nomination last month. If anyone is interested, please review the article and leave comments at WP:Featured article candidates/Slug (song)/archive2. Thanks. – Dream out loud (talk) 06:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

The Script Management Urgent Changes
Hi Wiki, I work for http://www.jamesgrant.com who manage The Script. I run the bands digital media. The band keep getting asked questions during interviews based on wrong info found on this page. How do we fix this urgently or remove the page? Is there an admin, manager or wiki community member who can contact me directly. I'd be happy to arrange tickets or an album for anyone who can help manage these changes. Thanks.

SCRIPT'S WIKI URL - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Script — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeHOOKD (talk • contribs) 13:03, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Council/Proposals/Shakira (2nd nomination)
Comments for this proposal are greatly appreciated! WikiRedactor (talk) 19:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Request for FAC input
Led Zeppelin is currently up for FAC, and could probably use some more input. Any feedback at all would be appreciated. Thanks! Evanh2008 (talk&#124;contribs) 08:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to stress the need for comments. Suggestions for improvements are very welcome, but even just assenting to the article is FA standard (assuming that is so) would be very helpful. It is the 4th attempt and if there are not enough responses it may fall through the grill again. I would quite like not to have to go through this a 5th time. Thanks.--  SabreBD  (talk) 10:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

In what order should personnel be listed?
What is our formal or most conventional way of listing band personnel in album articles? It seems that the vast majority list the lead vocalist first, typically followed by the lead guitarist or primary songwriter. Is there any rule in terms of the order in which the band members are listed? <b style="color:#999999;">ChakaKong</b><sup style="color:#0033FF;">talk 13:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Establishing proper guidelines for articles that are lists of artists who reached number 1
The main point is should featured artists be posted? The page List_of_artists_who_reached_number_one_on_the_U.S._Mainstream_Rock_chart is one such that Adam Gontier is posted yet Zakk Wylde isn't. Even though both as reached number 1 as a featured artist. This is an edit war waiting to happen (I just removed Adam Gontier thinking that feature artists shouldn't be listed and it was promptly reverted). We need to have a clear guideline for this. I have started a discussion below.-- Everyone Dies In the End  (talk) 07:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

For Main Artists Only

I say we should only list main artists. Charts like billboard only list songs that artists are the main artist under their chart history.-- Everyone Dies In the End  (talk) 07:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

For Main and Featured Artists
 * Couldn't have this been done on the articles talk page first? Anyway, I'd follow what it says in List of artists who reached number one in the United States: All artists who are officially namechecked in song credits are listed here; this includes one-time pairings of otherwise solo artists and those appearing as "featuring". Note that List of artists who reached number one on the U.S. Mainstream Rock chart does say "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it", so I don't know if there are other artists missing from the list as I have not gone through it. Finally, the Billboard site is unreliable if you're going by an artist's charting songs. If you look up Christina Aguilera, you'll get songs like Feel This Moment and Moves like Jagger, both on which she was "featured". Check Steve Perry and it doesn't even list his biggest hit Oh Sherrie. Clearly inadequate and incomplete. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 08:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * First, I don't think the talk page was appropriate. This encompasses multiple pages not just one. This allows everyone to participate because it effects multiple pages. This is precisely with List of artists who reached number one in the United States doesn't matter. Even if it was discussed there (It wasn't), I'd still say that the scope of the discussion wasn't big enough to come to a proper consensus. The next big (and I mean big) problem is that that decision was done by a single user (User:Ericorbit). As far as I know, there was no such discussion. A single user added that featured user are okay is not a consensus.-- Everyone Dies In the End  (talk) 08:58, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The fact that that article has existed since 2009 and no one has had an issue with that statement is implied consensus (per WP:CONSENSUS, "any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus"). There doesn't have to be a discussion to reach consensus. But consensus can change, so if you have an issue with applying that "rule" to these types of lists, it's good that you're bringing it up. I agree with the statement in List of artists who reached number one in the United States mentioned above. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 10:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment I believe featured artists should be shown. It should not be up to us as editors to decide that a featured role is more or less "important" (for lack of a better term) than a lead billing, even if Billboard formats their archives a different way.  As Billboard displays the artist credits based on what is told to them by record labels and artist management, all who are namechecked should be included in our list(s).  As a side note, ever since Billboard revamped their websites, their artist searches and "chart history" sections are woefully inaccurate and filled with blanks and missing statistics, which makes sourcing things extremely frustrating at times.  And as a subscriber to the magazine and and its online services for years, it has been messy for a long time, so it really should be taken with a grain of salt. - eo (talk) 12:21, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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Record-Rama: who cares about a collection of… 2 million American vinyl records ?
Sorry if this is the wrong place for my post

I hope some of you still remember that Paul Mawhinney, a Pittsburgh retired citizen, has been trying to sell his little collection of some 3,000,000 vinyl records (including 1,500,000 singles and 1,000,000 albums) since over fifteen years. One of his main conditions was that the buyer should commit not to scatter such a treasure, the world’s greatest music collection. During last 5 years, Paul Mawhinney succeeded to sell only a million records (i.e. at least 300,000 cds and 500,000 albums) out of the 3 millions, reducing the Archive to only 2 millions (mostly from 1945-1982). An evaluation by The Library of Congress had shown that 80 % of the singles were fully unknown/absent from its music catalogue...

Almost a month ago, I wrote a message on the talk page to tell that the Curator had announced me by email (at the end of May) that he had at last succeeded in selling the whole remaining Archive to a Brazilian guy, on last December, he has been paid (I dunno how much, I don't care, and Mawhinney will sure never tell) and the whole lot has been shipped to Brazil in March of this year. He again confirmed this sale in an email I’ve just received today. As the sale took place thru a broker, Mawhinney tells me that he does not know anything about the buyer, apart from his name, Zero Freitas and his city, São Paolo. I quite admit Mawhinney is not serious about that point…

During last month, I’ve sent emails to two University libraries in Brazil, then to five main Pittsburgh papers, trying to know who is Zero Freitas and to get a confirmation of the sale. Up to this day, nobody has answered me, either from Brazil or from Pittsburgh…

How can nobody be aware of such a huge and unique record sale ? How could we get a proof a true source from the buyer (to be allowed to write it in the article), as nobody wants to answer me ?

--Bibliorock (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Does this subject meet notability guidelines?
An editor created an article on something he refers to as the "New Wave of Thrash metal". I redirected to Thrash metal on the grounds that it did not meet notability guidelines to warrant a standalone article. The article creator disagrees. Discussion is here. <b style="color:#999999;">ChakaKong</b><sup style="color:#0033FF;">talk 14:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Can't find references for a Rory Gallagher album
I've been working on various Rory Gallagher albums. I've done all the major ones and am starting to look at some posthumous releases, etc. One that I've found is this article: The_G-Man_Bootleg_Series_Vol.1 The current article has no references. I couldn't find the album of that name on Allmusic, Amazon, or on Gallagher's official site rorygallagher.com I also have the one and only Gallagher biography on Kindle and I did a search for that name and found nothing. There is an album with a similar name that also has an article (and that I can find in all those places) but the song lists for the two albums are totally different. I googled it and I found a few sites that look like this: http://www.last.fm/music/Rory+Gallagher/G-Men+Bootleg+Series,+Volume+1 I think what this is is a site where people create their own playlists. I think either this is someone trying to advertize their personal playlist or it was an actual bootleg album. If its the former (I think more likely) I would say just delete the article. Any ideas? Mdebellis (talk) 02:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Electronic music colours
There is a debate on whether to split the different forms of electronic music infoboxes into different colours at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Colours. All views are welcome.--  SabreBD  (talk) 11:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Origins of rock and roll
There is a disagreement at Origins of rock and roll - mainly between myself and User:Dan56, with input from others - over references to "the first rock'n'roll record" and, in particular, how to refer to Jackie Brenston's "Rocket 88" (1951). There are two outstanding issues: It's been a lengthy and sometimes ill-tempered argument, and I apologise if it seems trivial. However, I'd welcome other opinions at Talk:Origins of rock and roll. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Whether the statement in the lead that "Various recordings that date back to the 1940s have been named as the first rock and roll record, including the frequently cited 1951 song "Rocket 88", although some have felt it is too difficult to name one record." (regarding the words I've emboldened) needs to be tagged - my view is that it is simply a summary of the final paragraph of the article which refers to the identification of any one record as "the first" as "fool[ish]", "impossible" or "useless".
 * Whether a statement sourced from a single journalist here - that "most rock historians" believe the record to be "the first rock'n'roll record" - needs to be included at all. I've suggested it should simply be excluded - no other sources support that statement, they refer to the (undoubtedly very important and influential) record in a much more nuanced way.

Cleanup
As some have you may have noticed, the project page has been cleaned up a bit. There's now a proper list of active FAs, GAs, AfDs and other discussion notices. I've also gone through the members' list and noticed it's rather stale - the first entry in the list was indef blocked for vandalism some time back, so I've removed their name. WikiProject Pink Floyd has a policy of removing members into an inactive group if they've made no edits on the project in 6 months - which sounds extreme until you think that reverting one misguided or bad faith edit in that time period isn't particularly strenuous. I'd go for 12 months rather than 6. Then hopefully we can get the project looking a bit more alive. I see articles tagged to this project all over the place, so there's definitely value keeping it going. Ritchie333 <sup style="color:#7F007F;">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F;">(cont)   13:00, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good job, it all looks a lot cleaner. I also agree that a year without editing on the project is certainly enough to move members to another list. They can always move themselves back.--  SabreBD  (talk) 14:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've switched from manual to MiszaBot archiving, which should trim down the old threads soon and hopefully make discussions a bit more alive. I've put this page on my watchlist as I think I can at least put a decent opinion into most threads. On which note, I'll apologise for being generally AWOL last May as I have Dave Lewis' book and could have helped get Led Zeppelin through FAC. Hey ho. Ritchie333  <sup style="color:#7F007F;">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F;">(cont)   16:46, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

The Who to GA
Just wanted to give a quick shoutout for getting The Who, one of this project's most-viewed articles, to Good Article status, and winning a Million Award in the process. Well done! -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, its great work. Well done.--  SabreBD  (talk) 07:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Ian Watkins
Hello all. There's been a big mess that's developed lately with this article: Ian Watkins (singer born 1977). We're trying to come up with a good article name, but it's tough because there's another Ian Watkins musician (although not as notable as this one), not to mention countless amount of links pointing to former names of this article such as Ian Watkins, Ian Watkins (Lostprophets), Ian Watkins (musician), etc.

Can you guys help clean this mess up? I've tried starting a discussion on this on the talk page, but people are still freely moving the article around and it's a big mess. Some back up and help cleaning up would be splendid! (I would also overlook the lostprophet articles in general now too.)  srsrox  <sup style="color:#000000;">BlahBlahBlah...   17:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I have responded on the talk page. Ritchie333  <sup style="color:#7F007F;">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F;">(cont)   11:36, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Crazy Nights Discussion Page
Here is where we will communicate! Cllgegrl123 (talk) 16:23, 30 October 2013 (UTC) Group members Ivadel and Aleacia Please submit your usernames here! Cllgegrl123 (talk) 16:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want to discuss the article about that particular album, the place to do so is Talk:Crazy Nights, not here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:07, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

This is Ivadel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivadelmarie (talk • contribs) 19:21, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Ghmyrtle, This is for a class and Talk;Crazy Nights doesn't have it's own page, but thanks for your concern! 76.113.152.109 (talk) 01:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's obvious. Yes, Talk:Crazy Nights does have its own page - here.  Use that page if you must, but stop adding irrelevant material to this page, which exists for a specific reason which has nothing at all to do with your class project.  Alternatively, set up a sandbox like this.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello Ivadel! Glad you found it! 76.113.152.109 (talk) 01:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)