Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Role-playing games/Archive 6

A Story About A Tree
I've tagged this page within your project, and I just wanted to draw your WP's attention to it. I've been outside of the online-RP community for a while, so I wanted to get some of your opinions on whether or not this is notable. Cheers! CaveatLector Talk Contrib 03:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the article is important and notable but also very poorly named. I don't think it's within the scope of this project because it deals with a form of gaming that is beyond the current scope of this project. Vampyrecat (talk) 22:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I second vampyrecat's assessment. It is notable but the scope is beyond this project. --Frugen (talk) 17:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Milestone Announcements
I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 (t, c) 22:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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Peer review of live action role-playing games
Hey folks. I've put live action role-playing game up for peer review here, and would really appreciate any input. The page has come a long way (especially in terms of referencing), and it's one of the few roleplaying game articles we have at "Good Article" status. Given that it's a "Top" importance roleplay page it'd be great to get it to featured. Please chip in with your thoughts at the review. Ryan Paddy (talk) 00:43, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Delisted Dice as GA
Per Talk:Dice/GA1. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 15:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Some input on All Flesh Must Be Eaten please
Hi everyone. I would like to help with the All Flesh Must Be Eaten page. I've made a table on User:ZombieCow/AFMBE for the (released) books. However, I could use some input/advice:

--ZombieCow (talk) 13:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the descriptions of the books (see next point). Some of the links pointed to a pyramid review, and those need registrations.
 * Maybe I should put a description distilled from the official site (example: )? That site can be accessed by everyone. I've already done this for the zombie master screen. (Need to make it into a clean ref, will do that before I put it on the page)
 * Any other ideas?

Dungeons & Dragons featured portal candidate
Hi! The Dungeons & Dragons portal is currently a featured portal candidate here. Since D&D is a role-playing game, I was wondering if the members of this project could take a look and comment on the nomination. Thanks! –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 14:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 02:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

People interested in / contributing to World of Darkness articles
People interested in / contributing to World of Darkness articles please add to the current debate; Articles for deletion/Ravnos regarding the page Ravnos concerning the Vampire: The Masquerade clan being nominated for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 23:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

GM Magazine
I've discovered that I still have most of my copies of GM, which was an independent UK RPG magazine active between 1988 and 1990. I have made a list of my issues at the video games wikiproject. Currently I have only noted their CRPG reviews, but if you want a source for a RPG system, module, PBM or LARP published in this time period, let me know. The video games wikiproject links to a magazine archive on their front page, perhaps you'd like to do something similar. Marasmusine (talk) 11:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Realms of Wonder (LARP)
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Realms of Wonder (LARP), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process&#32; because of the following concern:
 * unremarkable product

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Thought I'd better let some experts know before it gets deleted. Original author appears to have vanished. OrangeDog (talk • edits) 03:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Paranoia resources and cleanup
I'm in the process of adding a whole bunch of data and improvements to Paranoia. In trying to add more citeable/cited sources, I'm looking for (digital) copies of one or more of these magazines, namely the reviews of 1st edition printed in them, all from 1985:


 * Different Worlds #39
 * Space Gamer V1, #72
 * White Dwarf #65

Also redoing the book list, anyone who can fill in holes I left in the tables please do. Would be great if this effort pushes the article from B to A or GA. EllePollack (talk) 04:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Layout?
From the perspective of someone who just found WikiProject Role-playing games, the layout of this page is a bit odd. While I agree that the participants and sympathizers of this project deserves all the credit they can get, it strikes me as odd that you have to scroll through a looo-oooong list of online names before you find the Goals of the project... OlderNick (talk) 10:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree it makes it a bit clunky to browse the page. I changed the "sympathizers" section to be in columnar format, so it doesn't take up so much vertical space. I'm not sure what to do about the actual participants section... Haqui11a (talk) 13:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitively an improvement. What about simply putting participants and sympathizers at the bottom of the page? It shouldn't offend anyone on the list, should it? OlderNick (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That would certainly make more sense to me. It would give "Goals" higher visibility, and it seems like that should be more of a focal point. Haqui11a (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I took the liberty and moved us down a peg or two. I guess some someone with a few more skills could fix it up a bit, if it's needed. OlderNick (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Added a new RPG page
Hi, I created my first article at Nexus: The Infinite City. I've put in a few things already, but I don't know how to do a few things (like references). Aufheben (talk) 11:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Not knowing if I've done my own references correctly, this is what mine looks like:
 * If you edit this page, you can copy/paste the above line and then change whatever needs changing to make it fit the Nexus page. You should be able to find the isbn at amazon.OlderNick (talk) 19:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That being said, I've added Trail of Cthulhu and GUMSHOE System to Wikipedia. Being my own debuts, I wouldn't mind some feedback. OlderNick (talk) 19:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That being said, I've added Trail of Cthulhu and GUMSHOE System to Wikipedia. Being my own debuts, I wouldn't mind some feedback. OlderNick (talk) 19:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Possible deprecation of the "Future" templates
I have started a discussion on the possible deprecation of the "Future" templates at Centralized discussion/Deprecating "Future" templates. Since this project uses such a template, I invite everyone from this WikiProject to participate in the discussion. --Conti|✉ 11:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Eclipse phase(Game)
AfD about a minor RPG that has been tagged for rescue. Help to determine consensus/improve the article as appropriate would be great. Thanks. J Milburn (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge D66 into Dice notation
Please support my effort to remove the clutter that is the D66 page. The talk section is in Dice notation. Nezzadar (talk) 21:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Shadowrun external links
Hey. Can some people take a jaunt over to the Talk:Shadowrun page and let us know what you think about an external link. Basic story, the S-Run community site was removed in an EL purge some time ago when the site was gone. Now it has returned in a new guise and the people running the site want to add the external link back into the Shadowrun page. This was removed by several editors from the article as non-notable fansite and conflict of interest spamming. However now many people from the site have come over and are making arguments as to why it should be included. Myself and another couple of editors can't see how it meets the standards of the external links as it offers no encyclopaedic content in addition to the article, however it's getting out of hand with editors coming from S-Run itself. Long story short, can we get some more neutral eyes on the topic to see if some decision can be reached on this one. Don't mind the final outcome, but this single discussion now takes up the majority of the page and it getting nowhere. Canterbury Tail  talk  12:00, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

"Role-playing" or "roleplaying"?
This has always been a question of mine about Wikipedia. Why do we use "role-playing" instead of "roleplaying"? "Role-playing" is, I think, and older term which is almost always shortened now to not use the hyphen. The most notable example being, of course, Dungeons & Dragons; the cover of it's 4th edition Player's Handbook says "Roleplaying Game Core Rules". However, this is not the only location; other than that, I see that most modern RPGs use "roleplaying" or a different term altogether (like the World of Darkness "storyteller" system). Why does Wikipedia still use the hyphen? –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 02:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I was reading about hyphens the other month. The US, and maybe all English speaking countries, were moving towards not using the hyphen in stuff that's common.  It isn't incorrect either way, though.  I guess I would prefer no hyphen, but I don't care a ton. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * (after ec) :Roleplaying (although it is inconsistent in the body text) and roleplaying would seem to be steps in the right direction. This has come up before too:
 * Talk:Role-playing game/Archive 4
 * Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 12
 * but, like "to-morrow" and "e-mail" and many word in between, I suspect that the hyphenated form of this one will continue towards disuse. -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That being the case, Google the word. "Role-playing" returns 77 million hits, "Roleplaying" returns 4 million.    Ravenswing  03:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Google results are no good at telling the future of word usage (that being the case I made). Google results are also suspect here, since googling role-playing does not just match the hyphenated version, but also "role playing" and "roleplaying" -- googling this, for instance
 * +"role-playing" -roleplaying -"role playing"
 * But Google isn't part of the "how to name articles" process, AFAIK. Either way, it would be nice if the article roleplaying was consistent with itself, even if it's not consistent across Wikipedia. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good question. This comes up fairly often, as JHunterJ points out.  It'd be an awful lot of work to change at this point - I'm not sure even WP:RM and WP:CFD are sufficient, it'd probably take a bot. Percy Snoodle (talk) 09:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:AWB. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 20:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Error with Taskforce
Due to the confusing nature of the final step of the instructions for setting up Wikiprojects I've mistakenly proposed a Taskforce for Kenzer & Company products as a full Wikiproject, when I meant to propose it as a Taskforce of this project. The proposal page can be found here: Kenzer & Company Taskforce Proposal —Preceding unsigned comment added by NullofWest (talk • contribs) 21:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Paul Jaquays DYK front page hook
Almost there with regards to getting that front-page DYK for the project but slight stumbling block on the nomination - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Paul_Jaquays - in that the DYK validator doesn't "see anything about role-playing there" (point 1) when every reference is RPG related. Expert input on that specific point to confirm that there is would be appreciated! Thanks, David. Harami2000 (talk) 16:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Cool. OK to go now, thanks, so long as there's a DYK slot in sufficient time. :) Harami2000 (talk) 23:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposed changes to naming/content of Role-Playing Game and Tabletop Role-Playing Game
The article Role-playing game currently describes tabletop role-playing games, with other forms such as video RPGs and LARP described as varieties of tabletop game. This does not meet the WP:NAME policy, which requires the content of an article to unambigiously match the name and meet visitor expectations. Many users are surprised to find that Role-playing game specifically describes tabletop roleplaying, as can be seen from the recurring comments to this effect on the talk page

Please see my proposal at Talk:Role-playing game to change Role-playing game to describe roleplaying as a class of activity with varieties that include tabletop RPGs, video RPGs and LARP as varieties of that class of activity, and to create a new Tabletop role-playing game article to specifically describe the tabletop RPG variety. This naming structure will remove the current ambiguity that exists in regards to the role-playing game article, so that the new articles will be more likely to meet the expectations of visitors based on the names of the articles.

Please make your opinion heard either way on at Talk:Role-playing game so we can put this long-running point of contention to rest. Ryan Paddy (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * This discussion has resulted in the article role-playing game being split. The content relating to tabletop RPGs has been used to create a new article on that form of RPG at role-playing game (pen and paper). The article role-playing game now summarises the articles describing the various forms of RPG from tabletop to larp to digital. Other articles may need to be updated to reflect the new structure. Ryan Paddy (talk) 21:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Roleplay simulations + Project scope/name?
In conjunction with the above reworking of the base Role-playing game article, I've added a note that Roleplay simulations (as a /whole/ class) are currently outwith this project scope. This would appear to be the case at present, but needed mentioning one way or another for now as those were not referred to previously and can be discussed and/or clarified later as required. (I've also highlighted the existing text stating that Computer RPGs are a separate WP project -- and not sure, now, if /this/ project's own name is "representative" now that the base RPG article is being rescoped). Regards, David. Harami2000 (talk) 08:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

One further query as to whether anything with reference to D&D should be automatically /excluded/ from this project as appears to be the case for some of the GAs previously. The likes of Dragonlance has hooks into the wider RPG domain beyond D&D - and even more so in terms of impact in change of RPG culture - so it was "easy" to add that back in on this project's scope, but I'm not at all sure at the /apparent/ "exclude D&D" remit; e.g. The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth. Thoughts, please, since that's not made explicit either in the intro ("better organize information in articles related to role-playing games") or the scope section, following. Harami2000 (talk) 08:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a matter of excluding everything D&D from this wikiproject, as it is keeping out items which are just D&D related which have little or no impact on the rest of the RPG industry, such as Lost Caverns. Dragonlance is possible to consider for inclusion, because its impact on the industry is greater than most D&D subjects. Some subjects, such as Gary Gygax, are clearly important to RPGs beyond D&D, and thus already have the RPG Wikiproject banner. BOZ (talk) 12:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)