Wikipedia talk:WikiProject San Diego/Archive 1

Task force instead?
Since this WikiProject was recently created, I'll reserve judgment for now. But as I mentioned on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California, depending on how much activity and participants this San Diego WikiProject generates, it may eventually be relegated to a task force instead, just like what happened to those pertaining to Southern California, Santa Barbara County, Los Angeles, Inland Empire, and San Francisco Bay Area. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I prefer making this a task force too. WhisperToMe (talk) 09:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It would make sense to make this a task force. More people could become involved via WikiProject California. Cmcnicoll (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. It just doesn't make sense to have a not-very-prominent city have its own WikiProject, while other cities remain task forces. --P C B  23:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Images
I have a handful of informative images of San Diego that I'd be willing to license; is there a need for them? ⅊™ 03:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead, any contribution would be appreciated. --Vrysxy! (talk) 16:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

US Collaboration reactivated & Portal:United States starting next
Casliber recently posted a suggestion on the talk page for WikiProject United States about getting the US Wikipedians Collaboration page going again in an effort to build up articles for GA through FA class. See U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM. After several days of work from him the page is up and ready for action. A few candidates have already been added for you to vote on or you can submit one using the directions provided. If you are looking for inspiration here is a link to the most commonly viewed articles currently under the scope of Wikiproject United States. There are tons of good articles in the various US related projects as well so feel free to submit any article relating to US topics (not just those under the scope of WPUS). This noticeboard is intended for ‘’’All’’’ editors working on US subjects, not just those under WPUS.

The next item I intend to start updating is Portal:United States if anyone is interested in helping. Again this is not specific to WPUS and any help would be greatly appreciated to maximize visibility of US topics. The foundation has already been established its just a matter of updating the content with some new images, biographies and articles. Please let leave a comment on the Portals talk page or let me know if you have any questions or ideas. --Kumioko (talk) 19:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

WP San Diego Invite
I created this invite template:

but my wikicoding skills are not good enough to figure out how to put it in the project mainspace XinJeisan (talk) 21:21, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

San Diego City Council
As you might have seen or heard, a certain San Diego city councilmember's wikipage has been in the local news recently. Due to this interest, I thought it might be a good idea to give all the city councilmembers their own page so there are no red links in the city council template (which I created, by the way ;) ). However, in the past San Diego City Council member wikipages have been targeted for deletion due to notability issues (see Marti Emerald and Scott Peters).  Although, as is well known, discussions for deletion are not a vote, I thought project members should be aware of this in case they are targeted again. XinJeisan (talk) 21:30, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating the missing pages. I had intended to do the same but had not gotten around to it. I would hope deletion will not be attempted again; the arguments for "keep" were able to cite WP:POLITICIAN which pretty clearly grants notability to "members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city." Koff koff, I see that **I** made it into that news story, for my edits to his page. That's the second time. Think I'm notable yet? 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 00:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

San Diego Artists
I've noticed a few pages about (related?) San Diego artists (Micha Cárdenas, which has been up for deletion twice and Katherine Sweetman, which I just put up for deletion) that seem to have either been created and written by the artists themselves and/or written in a heavily promotional/POV style. If (I think that is a big if..) they are judged to be notable by the community there should be an effort to make these pages NPOV and up to the standards of wikipedia rather than just promotional pages for the artists. XinJeisan (talk) 13:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The Center for Research in Computing and the Arts seems to be the common link to all these articles. XinJeisan (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

San Diego GA nomination
Hi all. We could use your help on San Diego, which is nominated for GA. Thanks a bunch. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Meet Up
Perhaps our project's wikipedians can have a meet up sometime, especially those of us who are local to San Diego County. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Article Alert
Is their anyway we could get an Article Alert template like WikiProject California has? 08OceanBeach S.D. 03:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How does that work? --MelanieN (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * If you look at the bottom of WP Calif, it shows you a list of things nominated for deletion, GA/FA status, and things like that. Usually they're taken care of by bots. 08OceanBeach S.D. 22:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

GLAM project with Balboa Park
Hello everyone. I just joined the WikiProject but have worked with San Diego-related articles throughout my time here, mostly with images. In pursuit of further images on San Diego history, I contacted the Balboa Park Online Collaborative, an organization developed to improve Balboa Park's technology and expand its museums' extensive culture with the public. I met with some of their staff last week and, in the spirit of GLAM, they are interested in working with local Wikipedians to bring content to Wikimedia Commons, expand articles related to Balboa Park, and provide sources for many topics related to Southern California. We discussed events such as "backstage" tours, edit-a-thons, contests, and one-on-one collaborations with curators/librarians. In preparation for these types of events, they would like to hold a meet-and-greet with a group of local Wikipedians to get an idea of who would be interested in collaborating with museum and BPOC staff. If anyone in this project is interested in assisting with a collaboration to enhance Wikipedia's coverage of Balboa Park and expanding other articles, please list your name below. Even if you are unable to attend any meetings and/or events, additional tasks will need to be performed online, so I'd like to find out a general count for those would like to help in any scope. More details about dates and what types of activities will occur with come at a later date. I look forward to hearing from those interested! --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds interesting, and fun. Furthermore a wiki-meet-up I think will go along way in bringing regional editors, together. Although I am not presently focusing on San Diego related articles, working on moving from Start to C or better on a new article, that doesn't mean getting information from the staff of these organizations won't help our project improve on their articles and the Balboa Park article at large in the future. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I would be interested in participating in this. A year ago someone named User:Richcherry made a similar suggestion on my talk page and I responded positively, but nothing ever came of it. --MelanieN (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's who I spoke with last week. I'm going to create an actual page hopefully today or tomorrow for sign-ups to get this a little more official. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Good Idea for a GlAM project. It would be nice to see FPs and FAs of Balboa Park on the main page. Im to busy lately to do anything but looks interesting. Spongie555 (talk) 04:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Gaslamp Quarter improvement/development
A discussion on improving and developing the article on the Gaslamp Quarter is taking place here. If you are interested in the overall goal - to improve and develop the article - please take part. 08OceanBeach S.D. 22:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

City of San Diego seal copyright
A review of the San Diego seals copyrights on wikicommons does not make sense to me: File:Seal Of San Diego, California.svg says User:Zscout370 "Zscout370 at en.wikipedia, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publishes it under the following licenses:". File:San Diego City Seal.png states it is public domain as it is a work of the Federal Government. File:Seal of San Diego street sign.svg author: User:Vrysxy "I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following licenses:" Are these images correctly tagged? Is File:San Diego County Seal.png appropriately tagged with copyright? Jim1138 (talk) 07:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Most likely not correctly tagged. Although Federal Government work is in the public domain, city, county, and state work, often is not unless otherwise specified, as far as I am aware. If challenged, these will likely fail verification, unless we can find the originator of the images within the government body in question, and get their permission. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Pertinent San Diego municipal code §21.0101 (b) No person shall use or allow to be used any reproduction or facsimile of the Seal of The City of San Diego for any commercial purpose unless previously authorized by the Council. http://docs.sandiego.gov/municode/MuniCodeChapter02/Ch02Art01Division01.pdf How does this apply to Wikipedia? How should the seal image tags be changed? Jim1138 (talk) 08:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Theoretically then the images are copyrighted, and thus should be deleted, following the mandatory deletion discussion, from Wikicommons, or here. The only other way around it is to get permission from the Council, as stated in the municipal code.
 * Perhaps there is a way through the GLAM/BP where we can get permission through them, or have one of their contacts with the City Council assist us with this. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We can actually use the seal under WP:Fair use laws, as long as it is only used on the page discussing the City, and a proper fair use rational. Sadads (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * File:San Diego County Seal.png uses fair use. It would appear some of the data is not fully filled out. Should the City of San Diego seal use justification be changed to the same?  Jim1138 (talk) 09:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Furthermore, as I understand it, for each usage of the image a fair-use reasoning needs to be provided. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Surfing Madonna AfD
Please see Articles for deletion/Surfing Madonna (2nd nomination). I wasn't aware of this until I saw the wikipedia page. Take a gander and weigh in your opinion. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:26, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

San Diego County Portal uses City of San Diego seal
The San Diego County portal (on the right) uses the City of San Diego seal; I presume that the San Diego County should be used. The portal button is shown in El Cajon, California, for instance as well as a number of other places. I am not sure how to change it. Would someone please change it or point me to a help page? File:Seal Of San Diego, California.svg File:San Diego County Seal.png (originally posted on Editor assistance/Requests copied here by (?) request/hint) Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 06:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the suggestion, let us get a consensus first though, before we make the change. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * While we are at it, we should also change the image on the Talk Header template; perhaps an image of something iconic to San Diego County; or the County Flag. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Found one huge problem, the San Diego county seal is copyrighted. Perhaps an icon image of the county can be used? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It should be something symbolic of the San Diego area in general. Greater Los Angeles uses a beach picture; perhaps we could do something similar and use a picture of La Jolla, Torrey Pines, or one of a North County beach. 08OceanBeach S.D. 22:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A Torrey Pine, I think would be a fine image to use, such as Pinus torreyana at State Reserve.jpg. It is neither North County, or South County. Some could say it is biased against inland county, for the coast though.
 * Another possibility is we could use an image of the El Cortez Apartment Hotel, which had historically dominated the city's skyline until the 1963. However, I can see it being argued that it creates a bias towards the City opposed to the county, which has brought up this current issue.
 * Another possibility is we could use an image of the Palomar Observatory. but again that it could be argued that it creates bias towards the North County, as opposed to those of us who are in the South County. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the bias is as much the issue as the image being symbolic is. We are all San Diegan here and we love our county - hopefully - so I'm sure it wouldn't be to big of an issue. We should gather a few symbolic images and put them to a vote. 08OceanBeach S.D. 22:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Lets get a consensus due too WP:NOTVOTE, however if there is support for a vote, I am OK with that due to WP:!VOTE. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Lets wait for others inputs then? 08OceanBeach S.D. 23:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

How bout this? Does this look fine for the portal? JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  02:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's very inclusive geoshape. That being said, if there can be an inlaid image instead of the strait red, I think it would be a great improvement.
 * Looking at the history of the City of San Diego Flag, red & green are used to denote different national controls of the region.
 * The San Diego City flag history states that it uses the colors from the Spanish flag.
 * Perhaps similar to how campaign ribbons use a stripe of colors to denote nations, stripes from the Spanish, Mexican, and the United States Flags can be used, against a Sand colored background to denote history. So I was thinking Red, Gold, Red, Green, White, Red, Old Glory Blue, White, Old Glory Red (maybe with some separation between the different nation's represented) in that pattern running from left to right. Maybe a similar sand color to what the Padres used as a reflection of the beaches of the coast and the deserts of the farthest eastern parts of the county.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:30, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I dabbled on Photoshop and came up with this:
 * WPSAN San Diego County Map Version 1.png
 * What does the community think? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:57, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it may look fine by me, but I am going try and create an svg version with Inkscape myself. Since I started the San Diego WikiProject back in October, the project banner had a satellite image of San Diego area before Mono changed it, including the image for the portal. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  04:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice work guys! Maybe you could overlay an image of a San Diego County beach over the county outline? 08OceanBeach <font color="#104E8B">S.D. 09:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Only issue I have with the beach overlay in place of the sand color base is that it isn't inclusive to East/inland County parts of San Diego. I can perhaps inlay images between the three tricolors that represent the history of the county but that may create a disjointed image.
 * JJ98, please let me know when you come up with that svg, as that was not a file option available in PS (photoshop). After which, if we have consensus we can begin using for the portal image.
 * If the group wants I can begin working on WikiProject logo based on the above image. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If we want inclusiveness. Maybe create a simple vector image outlining the three peaks of the Cuyamacas and then have two/three wavy lines to represent the beach. Maybe a cactus to represent the Desert, or wildflower - all over a faded outline of San Diego County. Though that may be to complex. <font color="#CD0000">08OceanBeach <font color="#104E8B">S.D. 02:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason for the sand background, over the images, was that north to south, from the coast to the desert, the color of the sand is pretty consistent. No single image or multitude of images does that.
 * The three tricolors, as previously stated, represent the three nations which have controlled the County at any given time. The Spanish flag, coincides with that used as the State Ensign in the last year of Spanish control. The blue white and red, although the tricolor of France, is similar to the pattern used in the American Campaign Medal for the U.S. (the specific shades are those designated by the London Embassy Pantone. The green white and red, although Italian tri-color, is also that of Mexico (I took the specific shades from the flag used in 1846). --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If it is OK with everyone I shall go ahead and use the image in a userbox. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been bold and went ahead and changed the portal image, as the previous image was a png as well. If a better image or svg version of it is created, so be it. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

San Diego is up for peer review
I have listed San Diego for peer review. Please comment here. Thank you. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  00:45, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Reliability of source
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:RSN. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC) (Using )
 * There was no response received by those outside of those already involved in the discussion. What shall we do next to verify the credibility of the source? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Balboa Park Welcome Event
For WP:GLAM/BP, there will be a welcome event for interested editors to meet with Balboa Park staff and curators on Tuesday, July 5, at 5:00pm. We'll be able to go over Balboa Park and Wikipedia's goals over a provided dinner. They're planning on inviting many of the museum's curators and it would be helpful if we could get some editors to represent the San Diego Wikipedia community. If you're interested in attending, please sign up on the event page. For any questions, they can be posted on the event's talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi everyone - just putting in a reminder about tonight's Welcome Event at the San Diego Air and Space Museum - please drop a line at the page if you're able to make it! Isara (talk) 20:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I wonder, as WPUS is doing with other WikiProjects, would it be possible to get the support of WP:SAN, and WP:CA for this GLAM? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

San Diego Class 1 Streetcars
Back in April I had inquired with other editors regarding the reliability of the source sandiegostreetcars.org and got only one response. I still question the reliabiilty of the source. Therefore there is an article that is only supported by the possible unreliable source San Diego Class 1 Streetcars; I have tagged it accordingly. Unless its notability can be established by verified reliable sources, I will ProD the article, or send it down AfD.

Opinions? Objections? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it's reliable for sourcing in the article except for maybe recent restoration efforts. There are likely other external sources that can be used to source the article. It's possible our friends over at Balboa Park may have something as well, possibly in the Journal of San Diego History. I'd recommend holding off on deleting this one and bringing it up as an article for improvement after the main park article. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The subject itself maybe notable, given there are sufficient references to support notability.
 * Minus the possible non-reliable source and Wikipedia, which I am thinking would be considered a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE for any restoration effort, the subject of the article has 114k hits. Without a thorough search though of those hits it's hard to say how many pertain to the subject that could be considered reliable sources.
 * Furthermore, given that RSN failed to weigh in on the validity of sandiegohistoricstreetcars.org and the spam like additions of its related content, I question all content supported by it. Perhaps, I need to step back on this one and WP:AGF until I am told it is or is not a bad source, and go from there. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have always felt that this article was shaky, posted by an editor with an obvious COI, and supported only by an advocacy website. Nehrams suggests that there might be other sources available, but a search at the San Diego Historical Society finds nothing about these cars, and the Historical Society's general page on early streetcars doesn't mention them. Google books finds nothing. Google News archive finds nothing. Bottom line, I could find absolutely no sourcing to support this, and I think this self-serving page should be given the heave-ho. I recently posted a suggestion at the Balboa Park page saying that the section on the Class I streetcars was excessive, and should be reduced to a sentence or two or deleted entirely. --MelanieN (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This Journal of San Diego article provides general details about streetcars in San Diego, which I used to source the limited mention in the main Balboa Park article. It doesn't go into detail, but it could be used to source portions of the article. I'm sure that BP has further access to material that may not necessarily be available through a Google search. Some of the many San Diego history books may delve into it as well (which also may be outside of Google). --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What is this editing communities consensus on the reliability of sandiegohistoricstreetcars.org? Is it, or is it not a reliable source? I ask this given that RSN didn't give a response.
 * Thank you Nehrams2020 for finding an alternative source for the content. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Instead of the streetcars having their own article, couldn't they be summarized in a section within San Diego Electric Railway? As there are not that many potential sources about the individual cars, a stand-alone article doesn't seem to be necessary when they can be listed along with any other variants in streetcars of the railway company. A merge seems to make the most sense for the article subject and sourcing limitations. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a brilliant idea! It makes good sense. We don't have separate articles for any other design of San Diego streetcar! A merge would preserve the information (as much as can be verified) while giving the cars the appropriate level of recognition. And it would leave a redirect and an article history at San Diego Class 1 Streetcars. Should we discuss it at the article's talk page, or post a note there directing discussion to here, or what? --MelanieN (talk) 15:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I wanted to gauge reception to the idea here first. I'll add a merge tag between the two to start a discussion. I'll provide a link in a little bit. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion can be found here. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Reversion of article name change request
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Adrián González. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Changing this project into a task force of WikiProject California
It's been 10 months since I started the project back in October, I think this project is not big enough then WP:CAL. Our project has 842 articles and WP:CAL has 33,200 articles. Based on the general project activity level, number of participants, and the overlap in scope with WikiProject California, I thank this project should be changed into a task force of WP:CAL and remove WikiProject San Diego banner and replace it with based on the comments from the talk page from WikiProject California and our project's talk page. Any thoughts and comments? JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  06:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not, but to be honest I am rather ambivelent regarding a downgrade to task force status. This WikiProject is relatively active, and has done a whole lot of good in improving San Diego County related articles. That being said the editors within it can continue to do so as a task force, especially given the overlap of membership. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I partially agree with RightCowLeftCoast, though I lean to the side where I feel it might be unnecessary. WikiProject San Diego has allowed a group of San Diego editors to do a lot of work. Specifically we have been able to bring San Diego to GA Status and work is currently developing the Balboa Park article. The WikiProject allows us to easily centralize our efforts.


 * As for as the number of articles covered, I think it is an adequate number for our editors to deal with. WikiProject California is overburden by the vast amount of articles under its scope and it makes centralizing work more difficult. It's also worth pointing out that compared to many other city WikiProjects, ours has a relative large amount of articles covered, specifically when looking at WikiProject Jacksonville has only 369 andWikiProject Austin has 752. Larger WikiProjects are cities such as Miami, Melbourne, Dallas, Montreal, Adelaide, and Cleveland that have articles numbering in the mid-thousands, yet, this is only because they are older. These projects are all independent of their respective state WikiProject. Even the larger cities - Chicago, London - don't have more than 25 thousand articles they cover.


 * In essence, I would find it preferable that this project remain a project. <font color="#CD0000">08OceanBeach <font color="#104E8B">S.D. 20:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Forgive me, but I don't really understand the difference. Can someone explain? Thanks.
 * Just in terms of usability or usefulness or whatever, I see that Wikiproject California has had NOTHING added to the discussion page since April, whereas Wikiproject San Diego has been much more active. That would seem to suggest that Wikiproject San Diego is proving useful to interested editors - more so than a huge catchall project like Wikiproject California. --MelanieN (talk) 23:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically as a task force under WP:CAL, there will still be a central discussion page for WP:SAN, but we'll just be under the parent project for recommended guidelines, project notices, and new banners for the talk pages. Ideally, the California project would prefer to have a San Diego task force as that will help to identify the related groups associated with the state to help focus on collaboration and follow the same type of formatting for articles. There are benefits to being a task force or not, it's mostly based on the topic of the parent project, the number of members/articles, and how active the project is. As this project is fairly active so far, and still continuing to grow, there are two options. Go as a task force and re-tag all articles, do name changes for project pages, and prepare other cleanup tasks for the transition. At some point, if the project was continuing to have high participation and growing significantly in articles, it could split off again as a project and have to do all of the transitioning again. The other option is to remain as a project and continue to work on expanding membership and developing articles.


 * Personally, I'd say just stay as a project, if it was going to be considered a task force initially, it should have been completed at the creation of the project. There's nothing limiting this project from following the main California project in guidelines and discussions, but remaining as a separate project will hopefully allow for a more central focus on SD topics and developing further article expansion. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Is the consensus here that it should remain a project? --MelanieN (talk) 23:29, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. I'll go ahead and change into a task force of WP:CAL myself, just like Inland Empire and Los Angeles task force if theres no objections. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  00:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There are appears to be people who are appears to be one person who is apathetic, myself, and two people who support keeping it its own project (Nehrams2020 & MelanieN). Only one person appears to be for making this a task force. Seeing as how there is presently a majority who are OK with keeping it its own Project, I hereby object. If activity within this project decreases significantly for a significant period of time, at that time, it can be downgraded to Task Force. At this time it does not appear to be necessary. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What RCLC said. I also object. think it should remain a project, and I certainly don't see consensus to change it. I see only one affirmative opinion to change it to a task force, namely, JJ98. I appreciate your launching this as a project, JJ, and I think it should stay one. --MelanieN (talk) 16:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to guess that there was consensus not to make it a task force. Keep as project per my comments above. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I also am of the mindset that this should remain a project. Keep as a project. <font color="#CD0000">08OceanBeach <font color="#104E8B">S.D. 21:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Alight, I've withdrawn my offer. I go tag the WikiProject San Diego banner myself. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  08:06, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

New article Central San Diego
I'd like to ask some of you to take a look at the new article Central San Diego. I have a problem with it, which I detailed on the talk page. Basically, the author seems to have come up with their own definition of what constitutes "Central San Diego" and I can't find any external support for their definition. I think the article has merit and I'd like some help getting it into shape - or to know if in your opinion the article as written constitutes Original Research and has to be completely redone. Please discuss at the talk page. I already alerted the article's author to go there. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 23:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the article should use the definitions set forth by the City of San Diego as to what Neighborhoods are considered "Central". Otherwise, content can be removed due to WP:BURDEN. I wouldn't know what else can be used, other than perhaps the San Diego Reader's or Union Tribune's definitions. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Eastlake, Chula Vista
I was thinking, perhaps we should give this a shot, work on it within a userspace    or hosted by the WikiProject as an incubator, then launch it with the intent of a main page DYK. It's been around for some 20 years now since the first development sprouted up East of the 70's era development around Southwestern College

Would the Otay Ranch/Heritage Ranch area be considered part of the article? How about Rancho Del Rey (where I presently reside)? It's expansion is a large reason for the growth of the city to one of the largest in the state and nation, so perhaps we can tackle it? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess the main criterion would be, is there sufficient Reliable Sourcing to show that these neighborhoods are independently notable? If not they should be expanded within the Chula Vista article. As to whether the other subdivisions are included in Eastlake or not - I would base that on how the city defines them, or if the city is unclear, on how local media treat them. --MelanieN (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Disregard, Eastlake is a development, and that would be too promotional. Also, although there are references out there from the UT, books, and government sources; I don't think there is enough significant coverage to warrant an independent article.
 * The City of Chula Vista in its planning sees Eastlake, Rancho del Rey, and Otay Ranch as different neighborhoods roughly divided based on each developlment's original boundaries. They are the reason for the significant population growth of the community, but politically don't hold as much sway as what is West of the 805. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if they don't qualify for articles on their own, a good deal of information could be provided in the Chula Vista article. Currently the article doesn't even have a "Neighborhoods" section but it certainly deserves one. --MelanieN (talk) 16:54, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll create one, with expansion templates, and we can fill out from there. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Photo request
Would anybody mind taking a photograph of the entrance sign to the Donovan State Prison - 480 Alta Road San Diego, CA 92179 -See this google map image ?

It would be helpful for the article there.

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 00:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

List of museums in San Diego County
Hi, all! An article called List of museums in San Diego County, California was recently renamed to List of museums in the Southern Border Region (California). The name change caused another editor to remove the link from the See Also section of San Diego County, California. The author of the list-article explains that the name was changed so that Imperial County's lone museum would be included. I have posted a discussion at Talk:List of museums in the Southern Border Region (California). Comments welcome. --MelanieN (talk) 03:18, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Paul Carrigan AFD
Actor/director born in San Diego, California &mdash; page up for AFD, deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Paul Carrigan (3rd nomination). &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Paul Carrigan

Morse High School Alumni List
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Morse High School (San Diego, California). RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Content weight discussion
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:47, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Image needed, badly
Hi folks, an image is badly needed for our pages on the Unarius Academy of Science. It's in El Cajon. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Articles for creation/Southeast San Diego Musical artist
Who ever is responsible for stalking,or updating this catagory is more than likely on somebodys payola,or better yet just perhaps a plain hater! what entity besides wikipedia do you write for? hmmmmm...maybe some local magazines?maybe the reader?maybe sd raps??? or is it citybeat?

we noticed some delete happy user has been deleting articals of creation for san diego recording artist The Toven formally known as Raytoven in this catagory.So who are you?are you a artist yourself,some geek with special interest,or just fans of the artist you except?

So who are you? let the discussions beganrespectfully ofcourse... — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Toven (talk • contribs) 22:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Concerns about the Articles for Creation process should be asked at their talk page. I did a little research on your two band names. It looks like the article Raytoven was deleted in 2008 with the comment "Unsigned, unreleased artist, fails WP:NOTE. Lack of good reliable independent sources." It was also deleted earlier that year with the comment "CSD A7 (Band): Article about a band that does not assert significance". In total, the article has been deleted five times between July 2007 and November 2008; a different administrator performed the deletion each time. No article has ever existed with the name "The Toven" or even just "Toven". Your Articles for Creation request for "The Toven" is located here. Judging from your username, you may want to check out WP:COI and WP:PROMOTION because writing about yourself or your band is a clear conflict of interest. -Mabeenot (talk) 22:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Mr. Toven, thanks for your comments. I see that you have spent a lot of time here trying to develop Wikipedia articles about yourself and your albums. Several different Wikipedia editors have looked at your submissions to "Articles for Creation," and they have all concluded that something is missing: namely, significant coverage about you by independent third parties such as newspapers, magazines, reviewers, etc. This is required to show notability as required for inclusion in an international encyclopedia. It looks as if this kind of coverage does not yet exist at this point in your career; this situation is discussed at WP:TOOSOON. There is no "hate" here and no preference by "fans" of other artists - simply Wikipedia volunteers applying Wikipedia standards. I know this must have been frustrating for you, but the notability has to exist BEFORE you have a Wikipedia article; you can't use Wikipedia as a way to promote your own notability. In any case, writing about yourself is discouraged by conflict of interest policy. Good luck with your career, and hopefully as your career develops, the major media will begin to write about you - and we can then use those sources to build an article about you. --MelanieN (talk) 23:19, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Response 1

sorry mrs devil not mr.toven your conversing with by we like how your reediting your comments trying to proove a senseless point.the only thing frustrating is your ignorance.

Response2

Ha Ha Actually their is a reference cited by a independent third party in the San-HOP INTERVIEW where has it been specifically determined that they aren't independent?

With all due respect melanieN THE "NOTABILITY" IS THERE IT JUST NEEDS TO BE EXCEPTED im curious,would you concider yourself notable? you clearly seem to fit into the catagory i mentioned above based on your emotional response.I guarantee you some of the garbage in regards to others already cited as music artist in this topic about southeast san diego was created in the same mannor.On a diffrent note the media only writes about people when they pay them to unless of course your on the a list and a few other reasons i wont mention!! so anyone can have this done for the purpose of referencing their artical weather they are "notable" or not dear.If you really want to talk san diego media or magazine we can just bring a lunch!!They can care less about real hip-hop or urban music in general.We both know what brand of artist san diego "writers" supports. Second just because the user name is The Toven doesnt mean he is writing articals for himself.User names are like tissue!If i was writing a article about you i would name it you.Second if that was the case have you know individuals may submit sources on their own behalf so long as it adhere's to certain guidlines and the artical is not for example citing rocket science! (you should do your research)NO WIKI POLICY HAS BEEN VIOLATED lets be clear and if so point it out we complied with what user snowysusan respectfully requested.The other person that declined the article was BIASED.

Third of all there are a milion wiki articles posted that need notability yet they were excepted. I am not concerned because their will be no choice but to accept and post the artical for The Toven and sooner than you think!People like you dont get to decide who is notable or not you can only play games with the rules.

Keep the conversation roling don't stop now... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.60.108 (talk) 23:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Regarding a comment above: "If I was writing a article about you i would name it you." If you took the subject's name as your username you would be blocked for violation of the username policy. Are you sure that everything in the AfC for The Toven is in compliance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines like WP:Notability, WP:Secondary sources, and WP:Conflict of interest? —C.Fred (talk) 00:19, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Even if it wasn't the case Wiki can find a reason to claim a violation occured so im not concerned.Bottom line is it's not about a "username" anyone that makes that the issue is avoiding the underlying!There has been no violation infact even though we are independant of him we recently contacted him and he obveously gave us permission for the username(would wiki believe the article if the user's name was Caillou?The whole article is legitament this is not a game! if their was any issues he would be the first to contact wiki or edit it..oh im sorry i guess that would be forbitten right and he couldn't dare use his own as a username right!All the wiki editors might suspect it's him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.60.108 (talk) 00:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Please see WP:GNG & WP:BAND regarding notability that is required for a subject to have an article on Wikipedia. Per those policies we need to see significant coverage in secondary reliable sources. From my search I have found one mention in the San Diego Reader, however it is a deadlink therefore I can not verify if the article there would meet significant coverage requirements. As other editors have said, perhaps it is too soon for the subject to have an article, and maybe in the future with additional references an article can be built.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:04, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

wow ok right cow left coast who are you?

This has been attached and cited on the artical page San-Hop interview their having issues with their website they interviewed him and we have seen many wiki articles with one very similar refrence.magazines, websites,or papers are never independent of the source they are alway affilliated in one way or the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Toven (talk • contribs) 01:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to hear you are starting to get some press. Unfortunately San-Hop is not what Wikipedia considers a "reliable source"; it's just somebody's blog. We need to see coverage from the mainstream press. The Reader article might be a start but we would need more (we need "significant coverage from multiple, independent, reliable sources"). I have tried to explain the issue here as kindly as I could. I'm sorry Wikipedia hasn't worked out for you, but maybe in a few years, as you become better known. --MelanieN (talk) 03:34, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

RESPONSE

and then you wake up! ha ha "coverage from the mainstream press"you must work for them!stop dreaming this will be resolved very soon and there is nothing you can or will do about!your just blabbering away and your hating dont need your apology and wiki will work for the artist/article we submitted your the one that wont!its not someones blog..your the blog dear.your trying to compare this article to walking on the moon.you should volunteer at the goodwill.your hiding behind a username and you think your God! another one of your kind exposed!!its not about being known as you put it its about doing something notable wouldn't matter if 2 people thought so.were not in a popularity contest for you or wiki.

chime in on that....dont think to long were wating.

your so anal on our artical im thinking we put togather a team to comb thru you pretty little sandbox of articles to make sure you been practcing what you preach ms california! Oakland standford congrats...and while were at we will start creating articles about the other san diego you have been ignoring does that sound good?by the way did you write the southeast san diego article? are you sre your not osessed with controll over san diego articles?maybe you should see someone for that with all due respect.

small> — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Toven (talk • contribs) 05:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I have tried to be nice and explain the situation, but I am done. Your abuse of Wikipedia volunteers is not getting you any closer to having your articles accepted here. --MelanieN (talk) 13:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

nice!your rude assumptions show otherwise you make us feel like a university with no mascot. their has been no abuse on our part we will get are article accepted or wiki will get ahost new volunteers to write about what your reluntanat to!again the source of our article does not have to proove his "popularity" to you but rather note worthy event(s)as a musician — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Toven (talk • contribs) 14:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Please, I implore, read WP:CIVIL & WP:AVOIDYOU. Others have issued warnings regarding statements made here and elsewhere. We assume good faith that attempts to create the article are done with the best of intentions, and others have attempted to explain policies and guidelines as to why creation at this time is premature and has been meet with multiple responses containing incivility. Please do not continue down this road, otherwise other editors may take further steps in receiving assistance in dealing with the incivility that is presented here.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Compass Card
FYI. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:2012 Benghazi attack/Archives/2013/January#Pruned information regarding Wood & Doherty
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:2012 Benghazi attack/Archives/2013/January. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have re-added the content, given no objections on the talk page were received.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:32, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Removal of burrito content RfC
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Burrito. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiMania 2014
FYI, I have made an un-offical bid for San Diego to be the city that will have Wikimania 2014.  I hope that others believe that this is a good idea.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * All cities which intend to run for the bidding process should have created a page on meta and entered the official list. New bids will not be accepted after this date. At this stage the Bid should include a proposed venue, list of several team members, and proposed local partners (municipality, unversity, etc.) Wow! Have you done all that? Do you have a committee? --MelanieN (talk) 00:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No I have just placed the name down on the un-offical bid, and it appears to have been ppulled by another editor. I still think San Diego would make a great location.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it would, but it takes more than a location. It needs a dedicated local group of people who know how to put on one of these things and are willing to organize it. --MelanieN (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK articles
On the project page there is a list of San Diego related DYK articles. However, the list is incomplete; there are a bunch missing, probably because they did not have the WikiProject San Diego template attached to them at the time they went to DYK. I have now added the template to those articles. How do I go about adding them to the project page? --MelanieN (talk) 16:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

New category
I have created a new category, Category:National Register of Historic Places listings in San Diego County, California. For our area this should replace Category:National Register of Historic Places in California. Please help me add this category to our historic places! --MelanieN (talk) 00:40, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * On second thought I also created a subcategory Category:National Register of Historic Places listings in San Diego, California. Let's use that for places in the city of San Diego, and the county one for all others. --MelanieN (talk) 01:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Content dispute discussion
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Meet up suggestion
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/LA. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * FYI, the discussion has moved to Wikipedia talk:Meetup/LA/SDCC1.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The time, date, and location of the meet up have been set, I hope to see many of ya'll there.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Opinions needed
The discussion Articles for deletion/Francine Busby has been relisted three times without anybody chiming in to help reach consensus. I encourage any project SD members who haven't already commented, to please take a look at it. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 22:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Discussion has been closed as No Consensus. --MelanieN (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Input needed at Talk:History of California
A significant discussion is underway at Talk:History of California. Additional input would be appreciated. --MelanieN (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

First San Diego Comic-Con International meetup location renewed discussion
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/LA/SDCC1. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * For those able to attend, the meetup (Meetup/LA/SDCC1) is today.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 11:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Irving Gill
Need help at the article Irving Gill. Somebody pointed out that the count of his properties on the National Register of Historic Places was woefully incomplete. We're trying at Talk:Irving Gill to make a list and get an accurate count. --MelanieN (talk) 22:07, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Mira Mesa article
I need some help trying to moderate/resolve an edit war at the page Mira Mesa, San Diego. It began as an edit war over which map to include: one that shows the entire Mira Mesa Planning area, or one from the police department that shows the Mira Mesa neighborhood as a large portion (but not all) of the planning area. This edit war appears to be based on a Real Life "turf war" of several years duration, between the Mira Mesa interests (MM Planning Board and MM Town Council) who insist that the entire planning area should be called Mira Mesa, and the folks from Sorrento Valley and Sorrento Mesa who maintain that they are not Mira Mesa but their own neighborhoods. If you want you can read the whole argument starting with Talk:Mira Mesa, San Diego; if you prefer you can skip directly to Talk:Mira Mesa, San Diego. My goal is simply to come up with a Wikipedia article that is accurate and fair, and if possible to keep the turf war out of it (since it doesn't seem to have been reported by any independent reliable sources). So far everyone in the discussion, other than myself, is a party to the dispute or at least has a local connection; I could really use some uninvolved opinions. Thanks for any input. --MelanieN (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Removing myself from this project
To my sorryness, I must leave Wikipedia myself in July, effective immediately. I will no longer be participating this project myself, but my best that I will retire myself and do some blogging. JJ98 (Talk) 19:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see you go. Come back when you can! --MelanieN (talk) 20:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that, well, hopefully the Wikipedia bug will bite you in the future. I know I was only semi-active for a year.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Portal
i just did a little work on the portal, retiring the images and adding a few new ones, adding a panorama, a couple articles. i also found a tiny bit of material at the SD/Tijuana portal to add here. that portal i have MFD'd, as very out of date. I hope add more images and articles to the SD portal over time, so we have 4 nice portals for Cali: Cali, SFBA, Greater LA, and this one.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Local historical landmarks
Should a page that is a list of articles about local national landmarks, such as the ones written in this older journal article be created?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We already have several lists of landmarks, such as National Register of Historic Places listings in San Diego County, California, List of San Diego Historical Landmarks in La Jolla, and List of San Diego Historic Landmarks in the Point Loma and Ocean Beach areas. The places that have articles are blue-linked, the ones that don't have articles are red-linked. Did you have something else in mind? --MelanieN (talk) 15:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Comic-Con Panel ideas discussion
You are invited to join the discussion at Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 45. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 11:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Another year, another chance to propose a panel to programming for San Diego Comic-Con. Who would be interested?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2015 (UTC)