Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Saskatchewan communities/Archive 1

Bredenbury
I just started up this page, will be a bit of a work in progress. I am not sure where to get the appropriate project templates to add to the Talk page, so if someone could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Critique on the page is welcome as well. First one I started from scratch. Leafschik1967 23:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Wynyard
I added infobox with some information, but the article needs a lot of information. I looked at the Wynyard site and there is not enough on the official Wynyard site just little tid bits. Mr. C.C. 05:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a couple of sections here and there. I thought there would be a sports team article, but not yet...There are a few who are becoming very involved in the sports team/arena venue of Saskatchewan. SriMesh |  talk  04:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Local People As Notable Or Famous?
Is Robert McRurry that notable? He is listed as a notable person from Birch Hills. This seems to be a case of POV. Mr. C.C. 04:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The definition of a Notable person does not seem to want to include a listing of the fellow Robert 'Bicycle Bob' McRurry by their guidelines. However, it was interesting to note, that Saskatoon had a similar type of fellow, a 'George Adilman' who went around collecting bottles on his bicycle, and everyone seemed to know him, as he was quite a character.  The Mendel Art Gallery listed him in a display which was done on Saskatoon-ians during the centennial year of 2006.  So I agree it is POV.  Maybe putting a note about Robert 'Bicycle Bob' McRurry on the talk page would acknowledge him, as he seems to be more of a citizen or resident, and let the article list others who are notable within the article itself as per the Notable person|Notable person guidelines.  This may be a solution that is a fix to both dilemnas giving acknowledgment of a colorful person but not notability. SriMesh |  talk  04:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I could put Sailor Dan on Saskatoon's list of famous people. But people only know him for his drawings and the places he hangs out.  Mr. C.C. 05:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 207.47.149.194 added Robert McRurry back to the list of notable people from Birch Hills. I notified that person about on that IP addresses talk page.  Mr. C.C. 07:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The edits should suffice IMHO. The notability guidelines of Wikipedia are followed, and the character of local merit has been mentioned as well.SriMesh |  talk  04:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Robert McRurry hasn't been added back to the list. I have monitered it and it has remained un-reverted.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 17:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Churchbridge, Saskatchewan
Churchbridge, Saskatchewan was just flagged as a copyright violation. Can someone create a new article on the subpage? GRBerry 18:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A new page for Churchbridge has been created here Talk:Churchbridge, Saskatchewan/Temp. Thanks for the heads up! SriMesh |  talk  03:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing it. I've deleted the copyvio and moved the new page in.  It is a far better Wikipedia article.  GRBerry 13:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Saskatchewan ghost towns
I'd like to start a list similar to List of ghost towns in British Columbia - although Saskatchewan (probably) hasn't got the sheer numbers that BC has, there's a lot of history to be explored, and an important part of Saskatchewan's history, too. What do people think? Edofedinburgh 01:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have started some research in this regards for genealogy and history buffs. My list of Saskatchewan communities current as well as defunct lists over 5,000 at the current moment.  It is located here...Search Saskatchewan Placenames.  I know the locations of all these places, and can probably locate sources if they were stations, sidings, post offices, village / town, etc.  I also listed the one room school houses on a seperate web site....One Room Schools, as sometimes genealogy / history records locate a family in a Saskatchewan district, which historically referred to the school house in many cases or it may refer to the geographical area of district as well, but they are still for the most part on current maps.  The BC listing has a nice table keeping he information together.  It is amazing how close towns/schools/elevators were for horse travel.  Many were 6 miles apart, and now they have disappeared as vehicular traffic and modern highways make travel so much easier.  If you want help in your endeavours let me know.  Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  03:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

missing articles
Would someone be be willing to further compile the list of missing SK communities articles at WikiProject Canadian communities/Missing articles? So far it's just a start. Would be greatly appreciated. --Qyd (talk) 17:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at the Articles Needed section of this WikiProject and you will see what are articles are needed, but from there you will have to categorize them. Mr. C.C. (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding References To Prince Albert, Saskatchewan Article
There is a tag on the Prince Albert, Saskatchewan for citations and I will see what I can do for references, but other people need to add citiations as well. Mr. C.C. (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Rural Municipalities
Discussion started here...RM about using just the name and not the added number for display in such things as highway article Infoboxes and Settlement infoboxes. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  20:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Community articles and historic school districts
A conversation has begun about if defunct school districts and if they should have independent articles. So far, Sk communities have added defunct (one room schools) to the history section of the article, and adding the current consolidated school to the education section. SriMesh | talk  01:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Elementary Schools discussion and placement into local regional articles rather than stand alone elementary school articles for notability reasons. SriMesh | talk  01:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Neighborhood template up for deletion
TfD nomination of Template:Infobox neighborhood Template:Infobox neighborhood has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. from Template talk:Infobox neighborhoodSriMesh | talk  21:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Either way, it's not necessary as it could be incorporated into a settlement infobox. Mr. C.C. (talk) 08:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

All incorporated placenames need articles
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot creating up to two million new articles|FritzpollBot creating up to two million new articles which will give placenames an article page on wikipedia. There is also a discussion on the Canadian wikiproject discussion page about compiling a listing of incorporated placenames of Canada as a response to this discussion on the village pump. Please contribute any incorporated placenames of Saskatchewan which need articles. SriMesh | talk  01:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * added from List of communities in Saskatchewan all SK towns and the RMs up to the letter L. Should the indian reserves and first nations also be added to the list.  SriMesh |  talk  02:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Clean up needed

 * According to Pages needing attention/Canada, Colonsay No. 342, Saskatchewan, Whitewood, Saskatchewan needs clean up. As well Moose Jaw needs a citation. According to uncategorized Pangman, Saskatchewan is uncategorized. Strawberry Ridge, Saskatchewan needs to be wikified. Qu'Appelle, Saskatchewan needs a re-write in encyclopedic style. Saskatoon has a section requiring citations. SriMesh |  talk  02:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Community or settlement??
Discussion re commmunity or settlement started at WP CA noticeboard. SriMesh | talk  03:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

User box TLC
user Saskatoon needs some TLC as its image has disappeared!SriMesh | talk  03:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Ghost towns removals using AWB
User:Hmains has used AutoWikiBrowser, an automated tool, to remove Category:Ghost towns from ghost towns in Saskatchewan. He says if a town has more than nine people, it cannot be a ghost town, and is citing Wikipedia's own article on Ghost town as a source. I have explained that we cannot use Wikipedia as a reliable source to edit Wikipedia, but he has refused to revert the 100 or so edits he made automatically. I am coming here to seek greater consensus (and have cross-posted this to WikiProject Ghost towns as well). Firsfron of Ronchester 05:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Couldn't we leave articles about villages, and towns that are pretty much ghost towns? Just because someone lives in that area doesn't mean it's still not a ghost town.  See a town incorporates businesses, medical facility, school, municipal town government, etc..  But if you are living in a place that has none of that, doesn't that make it a ghost town?  Mr. C.C. (talk) 08:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There are probably any number of definitions for a ghost town, but basically "loss of most of the population" would certainly be one. However, there are no hard-and-fast rules that I'm aware of, and arbitrarily setting a limit ("nine or fewer") doesn't make a lot of sense to me: what's that number based on? This page states that Hyder, Alaska (with a population of 97) is a ghost town, and Wikipedia's article on Virginia City states it's a ghost town with a population of 1000, so the "fewer than 9 people" does seem arbitrary. Firsfron of Ronchester  08:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I definently agree with you on this. On the show Glutton For Punishment, the host Bob Blumer was in an Oatman, Arizona and it was noted on the show that it was a ghost town and it had 100 people living there.  So this user is putting what seems like such specific definitions on what a ghost town should be.  Someone should contact this person and make him aware of this.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 19:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Defining ghost towns in Saskatchewan can step on toes. Even the less than 9 folks in a town don't like their town being called a ghost town, as the 6 or 7 or 8 that are there don't feel like ghosts.  There have been over 3,000 placenames in Saskatchewan ....at the peek of Saskatchewan homesteader growth and before the industrial revolution.... and current provincial maps don't show places 6 to 10 miles apart like they used to be...  If one checks out old maps such as Historical maps of Saskatchewan or Search Saskatchewan placenames there should be obvious choices for a list where absolutely no one is living any more such as Strehlow for instance (driving out to Strehlow, between Saskatoon and Dundurn yields a flagpole} or maybe Farley,... Hamar .... Happyland ... This site studies a whole plethora of old placenames...Analysis of Placenames Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  02:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In WP, why should a ghost town be anything other than a town with 0 people? I notice that some Canadian categories/lists have their own definition of ghost town which includes places where people still live.  I find this weird, unless the people there are ghosts of some kind. Why isn't this cleaned up? Hmains (talk) 03:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In WP, we base our edits on reliable sources, not "what we think". This is the policy. Firsfron of Ronchester  05:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Have we come to a consensus on this issue? Mr. C.C. (talk) 06:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Consensus on what proposal?  What 'reliable source' says a ghost town is anything other than a former settlement that now has zero people.  All I seem to get as answers is insults and not fact. Show us the facts for these towns to be treated in this way.  And usefulness?  What is the WP purpose in saying a town is a ghost town when people still live there?  They are towns of low population, that's all. Thanks Hmains (talk) 03:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, that is not correct. A great number of reliable sources list towns with more than one person as ghost towns. For example, Ghost Towns of the American West lists Tombstone, Arizona, with over 1,000 persons, as a ghost town. Firsfron of Ronchester  03:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmains, you need to find credible outside sources for your reasoning. You shouldn't look within for insight.  You should use the world wide web to your advantage and look for references and citations.  What Wikipedia deems a ghost town may not be a true definition.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 04:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Carlton Park, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan
I have made some major edits to Carlton Park, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan article. I am requesting a re-assesment of this article. I also put it up for assesment request Mr. C.C. (talk) 08:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI
I don't actually know much about it, but if anybody's contemplating an article on the Sherbrooke Community Center in Saskatoon, I've got pix. They should be on Commons in the next few days (if I can get them out of the camera successfully...). TREKphiler  hit me ♠  23:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Northern communties
It would be great to have some additional contributions to articles on various northern communities: I have added Black Lake and Turnor Lake, added some stuff to Missinipe. There are many stubs and many without any articles at all. Thanks --Fremte (talk) 20:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Created also Jan Lake, Saskatchewan and Smeaton, Saskatchewan. --Fremte (talk) 17:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC) and Pelican Narrows, Saskatchewan. --Fremte (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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Plenty, Saskatchewan
This article needs to be formatted as per Wikipedia standards. Mr. C.C. (talk) 23:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * AS well as the stub Khedive, Saskatchewan. Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  01:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Category --> Individual Rural Municipalities
New Categories have been started for rural municipalities in which the various villages and unincorporated places, and hamlets have been added within the RM. The individual RM's are within the main Category:Rural municipalities in Saskatchewan It would be good to be consistent at adding RM categories and find consensus as to what belongs in the actual RM category itself. IE...should the census district and Federal riding and provincial constituency and SARM division all be added as well as placenames. Should notable sites, suth as historic sites, provincial parks be added such as Addison sod house, and the various notable people to an individual RM category? What is the purpose of an individual RM category? Does an RM category add more info than the RM article? Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  01:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have started adding some RM's to the subcategories. I just haven't added notable people yet.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 10:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing projects
In reference to the Canada WP notice board, please see how SK stands in these 2 projects...

SriMesh | talk  02:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Canadian wikipedians' notice board/Cities - Per WP:NC, an incomplete review of which cities in Canada do or don't merit moves to their undisambiguated city names. Bearcat
 * Category:Canada articles missing geocoordinate data - Follow the instructions at Template:Coord to add co-ordinates to these articles.
 * I have been trying to find coordinates, but it is tough to find coordinates for some places. Mr. C.C. (talk) 05:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Querying Geographical Names of Canada is an excellent primary source for geo coordinate data. Another is a satellite map if you know where the placename is located, however it is a seondary source... such as wikimapia.  The post office site finds more obscure places and ghost towns, but only gives the legal land description.  So then one has to go to a historic map site which shows both townships and ranges and meridians to find the legal land description in relation to longitude and latitude.  SriMesh |  talk  17:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Bayard, Saskatchewan
New user created article stub needs wikifying and sources. SriMesh | talk  17:01, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Put in the Adopt-An-Article page of the project. Mr. C.C. (talk) 20:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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A new wikiproject is being proposed .... Extinct Settlements. Please feel free to add your comments, support or opposition for such a project on wikipedia. There was initially also conversation begun here on WP Cities as well as at WP SK communities. SriMesh | talk  01:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well we could just incorporate it in this WikiProject to save it from potentially becoming neglected. Than other extinct settlements can be put into other respective WikiProhjects.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 01:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Neidpath and Niedpath
I just came across two articles: Neidpath, Saskatchewan and Niedpath, Saskatchewan. They look very close together on the map, and given that Neidpath, Saskatchwan redirects to the latter, I'm guessing they are actually the same place? Can someone more local than I please confirm? Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 16:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Done redirected Niedpath wrong spelling to Neidpath, Saskatchewan as per Library and Archives Canada > Philately and Postal History > Post Offices and Postmasters SriMesh | talk  18:56, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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FYI
I've just now caught the fact that the village of Caronport did not have its own article, but instead has spent almost three years sitting as a redirect to Caronport High School. Since a village's name should obviously never exist only as a redirect to one specific institution within the village, I've restubbed it to be about the village itself, but it does still need some expansion from people who are better equipped to actually know something about it. Just thought I should bring it to your attention :-) Bearcat (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bearcat. Much appreicated.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 07:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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New cities
Meadow Lake and Martensville are set to become cities in November 2009. As such, I think their articles need some attention to bring them up to standard. --Drm310 (talk) 20:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There was an article in the Globe and Mail about Meadow Lake. I will see about finding it to add to the Meadow Lake article.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Town missed
There appears to be no article for the hamlet of Sturgeon Landing. I noticed this when I was correcting the Kinoosao, Saskatchewan article which had incorrectly identified it as the only Saskatchewan community only accessible via another province; the same goes for Sturgeon Landing. 68.146.71.145 (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Requested move Sorenson's Beach, Saskatchewan to Sorensen's Beach, Saskatchewan
See discussion at Talk:Sorenson's Beach, Saskatchewan. Hwy43 (talk) 07:49, 20 December 2012 (UTC)