Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scotland/Archive 1

Directly Scotland-related
I noticed that the "Directly Scotland-related" contains only articles with virtually nothing to do with Scotland. Shouldn't we keep such things Scotland-specific. If one is going to be so loose as to include War of the League of Cambrai, {Football (soccer), Battle of the Somme and BBC, you theoretically add just about every article. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 18:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Valid point. Although hard to know where to draw the line. The BBC for example really is a very important topic in regard to Scotland. --Mais oui! 19:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have cut this section:

Directly Scotland-related
Atlantic Ocean · Battle of Normandy · Battle of the Somme · BBC · BBC television drama · Book of Kells · British East India Company · British Empire · British Isles (terminology) · British monarchy · City status in the United Kingdom · English language · Football · Football (soccer) · History of the Peerage · List of monarchs in the British Isles · Orca · Rugby World Cup · The KLF · United Kingdom · Victoria of the United Kingdom · War of the League of Cambrai ·
 * --Mais oui! 21:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Good move Mias oui!. The last thing we ought to be doing is pretending there are more good Scotland articles than there are. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 08:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Clans of Scotland
Since the coming of WP Scotland, is there any precedent for putting WP Clans of Scotland under the scope of WP Scotland? Canæn 23:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yup. I am looking into this, similar to what the biography, Australia etc projects are doing with their various projects. Same for WP Scottish castles and WP Medieval Scotland. I'll get in tough once I've sussed it out. I have had very little spare time recently, but I am quite confident that I have a good window next week. In the meantime, have a look at the syntax of:
 * Template:WPBiography (note: very complex!)
 * Template:WP Australia
 * ... and there are other precedents.
 * --Mais oui! 08:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Religion in Scotland
Is this article ever going to be created? Scotland has such a rich religious history that it seems strange that no article exists on the subject. --Bob 23:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Great minds think alike. It has been on my "to do" list for a couple of weeks now, but as I have the attention span of a midge, not much has been ticked off. Anyway, it would be far better if someone with a bit more expertise than myself gave the ball its first kick, cos as a bit of a heathen I am afraid that I could only produce a Start class article (unless I invested a lot of time in finding good references, which I do not have time for at present). That said, if no-one else starts it soon I will give it a go. (Note also that we are missing the long-requested Scottish Reformation article, but let's get the parent underway first!) --Mais oui! 09:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, I've just spotted this article, begun in Feb: English Reformation. --Mais oui! 13:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I made a very rough start on this article, but it needs a lot of work on it from someone in the know 9which I most certainly am not). --Bob 16:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Art galleries and museums
I wonder if participants would take a glance over my work on National Gallery of Scotland this morning?

The article had been quite a sad little stub since creation on 30 July 2002 (although kudos of course to the editors who had taken the effort to start the article), which I considered to be something of a national disgrace :)

So I grasped the thistle myself. There is absolutely tons and tons of work that could be done, perhaps starting with a benchmarking exercise against really good art gallery articles (I assume these exist?)

All of our galleries and museums really are gems, and the Burrell Collection (stub), all the National Galleries of Scotland (stub), McManus Galleries (stub) and other key institutions really ought to be taken up beyond stub/start status to at least B quality. See Category:Art museums and galleries in Scotland.

We have no article at all on Aberdeen Art Gallery or Glasgow Museums, and others. --Mais oui! 18:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject award
I propose adopting Image:BoNM - Scotland.png as the project award, unless we think we can come up with a better one. I'd be happy to try, although I think the existing one is fine. (I already made the football barnstar, Image:FootballBarnstar.png.)

Thoughts?

Support Image:BoNM - Scotland

 * 1) --Guinnog 03:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] Canæn [[Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] 08:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Comments and suggestions

 * I created this one, based off of the Irish version, and I must say that it is no fancy thing. But it'll do, for now. [[Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] Canæn [[Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] 09:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Edinburgh
The Edinburgh article has just been approved for WP:0.5. It is, in my opinion, easily the weakest of the Scotland-related articles that have so far made it to the selection, and certainly weaker than the Glasgow article, and probably the Aberdeen and Dundee ones too. (However it is worth noting that V0.5 has also approved many other B-class articles, and even Start- and Stub-class, so in the wider scale of things it is better than many.)

The Edinburgh article is a key one for this WikiProject as it has many thousand incoming links and should be providing a shop window or gateway to lots of our quality Scotland-related material here at Wikipedia.

I have raised the topic of benchmarking on the Talk page, and I think that the most obvious deficiencies - lack of a History section and lack of citations - have been raised by other users. Can those in the know please take a look at the article and try to help to bring it up to at least GA status? --Mais oui! 08:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Mary I of England
Mary I of England is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 02:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Scottish villages and place-names
How many articles are lacking a place-name definition?? Being a toponymist on British place-names, I could probably add this info into a lot of articles.

What we need is consensus to include this; don't worry, I'm not adding original research, just information from a very good Scottish place-names book.

How many people agree with my idea?? --SunStar Net 11:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you can provide a reference to the book, this sounds like a very good idea. --Guinnog 11:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll try and get the title of it next time I go the library (which no doubt will probably be next week!) SunStar Net 11:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Images of Scotland
I wanted to draw attention to this category Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Scotland. some people here may be able to use it or fill some requests. To add an article to it add this  template to the Talk page GameKeeper 13:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

UK places coords
These Lists of United Kingdom locations by name contain coordinates, with these can add geographical links to any pages on Scotish locations. GameKeeper 22:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Scotland Places Key
Based on the EngPlacesKey, I made ScotPlacesKey, and have put it on Castles in Scotland so far. I'm worried that its too generic and doesnt have any real value as a template, ie would it be better to write out the code each time to include only the most appropriate symbols? Is this something that is going to catch on? :Supergolden:: 13:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Scotland-related topics
List of Scotland-related topics should be a key entry-point for newer readers, a comprehensive complement to Portal:Scotland. Please join the discussion at: --Mais oui! 08:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Talk:List of Scotland-related topics

James II of England
James II of England is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 21:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject
Maybe not exactly a direct child but close, as i have mentioned on the noticeboard, i am proposing a WikiProject that used to focus on 5 systems around Glasgow and Edinburgh. It however has been changed and is now called Transport in Scotland. Anyone interested? It will focus primarily on public transport, as stated on the sub-page. The proposal however is till going under its old name and so is the sub-page. See WikiProject_Council/Proposals and User:Simply_south/WikiProject_Transport_around_Glasgow_and_Edinburgh. Simply south 12:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The project is now official at WikiProject Transport in Scotland. Should this be part of WikiProject Scotland? Simply south 23:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Scottish Borders article
Please could someone assess it for me on the quality/ratings scale so that members of this project can help me get it to Featured article status?? In return I will help you get any other article to featured status! --SunStar Nettalk 22:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Gaelic in placenames
Over the last few days, Gaelic versions of placenames have appeared in a number of Aberdeenshire town & village articles. I notice that today, the Turriff name has changed from Torraibh to Baile Thurra. This is obviously quite a substantial change, and it's got me a bit suspicious. Are these genuinely names used by the people of Aberdeenshire (I'd say no, having lived there and never heard them), or is somebody just creating literal translations? If so, surely that's a job for the Gaelic version of Wikipedia? Placename translations for other languages are only given where the name used locally is different to the English one; for example Köhn for Cologne. – Kieran T  (' talk ') 15:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The majority of the placenames have not been translated into Gaelic - they are originally Gaelic with the English version being derivative. Personally im uncomfortable with the use of literal Gaelic translations or neologisms for towns or places which are not either in posession of an anglicised Gaelic name or which have a Gaelic name which preceedes any current popular English name. For example Aberdeen is derived from Obar Dheathainn, and Edinburgh was preceeded by and then co-existed with Dùn Èideann and so there is a clear justification for the inclusion of either of those names while an example such as Coldstream and the literal/neological translation an t-Alltan Fuar is far more ambiguous.siarach 17:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Newton Wamphray
I just stumbled across an article titled Newton Wamphray. Its definition of the meaning of its place-name is a bit poor, only going so far as to describe the meaning of "Newton", which is hardly rocket science. Does anybody have any info on the meaning of the Wamphray bit, or anything else to add to this stub? – Kieran T  (' talk ') 11:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Scottish Reformation
Scottish Reformation was recently nominated for GA, but I had to fail it due largely to stylistic issues and organization leading to questions about broadness in scope. Since you are the scotland wikiproject, I thought I'd drop by and say that if several of you are capable of doing a good copyedit to it, making sure that it's perhaps a little more thorough as well, it'll probably pass another nomination with flying coloures. Thanatosimii 02:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Some talk pages of Scottish articles turn up on Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. At this moment, this includes Talk:Darren Fletcher and Talk:List of monarchs of Scotland. I don't know why, but it may be something in Template:WP Scotland.--Henrygb 01:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there! I don't know what the problem was, but it apears to have been corrected now. Is it possible for a category to suffer from a delay in updating???? Oh well, don't suppose it matters anymore. Blood red sandman 17:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)