Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scotland/Archive 3

List of islands of Scotland - FL candidature
List of islands of Scotland is a Featured List candidate and is on the brink of failing simply because of a lack of reviews (3 so far, minimum 4 support needed.) If folk have good reasons not to support it that's fine by me, but it would be a pity if it failed through apathy. The discussion is here. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Royal burghs and Category:Former royal burghs
I have nominated merging both of these categories into Category:Former royal burghs. You can read my rationale and comment at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 10. Note that this is part of a larger project that I am undertaking to clean up Category:Former subdivisions of countries.Dr. Submillimeter 09:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Historical subdivisions of Scotland
I have proposed renaming this to Category:Former subdivisions of Scotland to keep in line with categories for England, Wales, and Northern Ireland (and Category:Former subdivisions of countries). You can comment at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 10. Dr. Submillimeter 09:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

WP Islands
I and a few other editors have been beavering away for a while on our surrounding archipelagos and whilst most of our island articles remain stuck in the 'stub/start' zone progress is being made. (For example, Template:Infobox Scottish island now has over fifty transclusions). It occurred to us recently that a new 'WikiProject:Scottish Islands' may be worth creating, and we have drafted up a few ideas. Although the existing number of editors may currently be too small to ensure the project's continuation we are hoping its existence may generate some wider enthusiasm.

If you are curious and might consider signing up, please visit the draft main project page at User:Ben_MacDui/Sandbox2. You are welcome to leave your name in the 'Participants' section. In the meantime our select band will continue with our humble insular tasks. Please leave any comments, advice etc. below. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

This project is now live at WikiProject Scottish Islands and indeed via the Navigation template on the WP:SCO project page. Pay a visit to a Scottish island sometime soon. Plenty of opportunity for creativity, great images, and refreshingly free of vandals. Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

North Sea collaboration
North Sea is the current Article Creation and Improvement Drive collaboration. WikiProject Scotland members may find that a relevant focus. I have refrained from rating the article pending the result of the collaboration. Perhaps a regular member of this project could find a place for the collaboration banner on the project page itself? __meco 22:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Version 0.7
Just a quick note to point out that the current offline Wikipedia project is Version 0.7 which will have a wider scope than 0.5. I just noticed you had info on V0.5. Because there is a wider scope, it wouldn't be a bad idea to submit some more of your articles. Just want to see more Scotland related articles in the release. :D  AndrewJD  TALK  -- 21:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

British only proposal in Manual of Style (United Kingdom-related articles)
A rather interesting proposed innovation in guidelines is taking place at Manual of Style (United Kingdom-related articles) and Wikipedia Talk:Manual of Style (United Kingdom-related articles). Essentially, it is an attempt to prescribe that all Scottish, English, Welsh and Northern Irish people be called "British" in all articles concerning people from the United Kingdom. Essentially, if one finds themselves trying to retain "Sir Thomas Sean Connery (born August 25, 1930) is an Academy Award-winning Scottish actor and producer " instead of "Sir Thomas Sean Connery (born August 25, 1930) is an Academy Award-winning British actor and producer", the person pushing the latter will be able to quote the British only guidelines at you. If you support or oppose this innovation, or if you have any thoughts, you should go to the talk page. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 22:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, the proposal doesn't actually say this; but feel free to go and form your own opinion. TSP 16:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That is in fact the gist and implication of the proposal, esp. for its supporters. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 17:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The original author, Readro, has made it clear on the talk page that the 'British-only' requirement was only intended to apply to infoboxes. The current draft says that it's absolutely fine to refer to someone as 'Scottish' in article text, if this is unambiguous.  TSP 17:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Please deabte this policy on the relevant talk page, not here. Lurker  (said · done) 18:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Glasgow airport is not in Scotland, apparently...
Lord preserve us: This is just plain idiocy. This kind of nonsense is what gives Wikipedia a bad name. --Mais oui! 14:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 

FAC Renewable energy
Renewable energy in Scotland (nom) - update so far. Support 1. Object 1 (withdrawn). Oppose 2. Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

British monarch forebearers
Are the Scottish and English monarchies 'equally' forebearers of the British monarchy? If so, then the List of English monarchs should end at Queen Anne; if not, then the List of Scottish monarchs should continue to Elizabeth II. Eitherway, there's inconsistancy on those two articles. GoodDay 14:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd start the British monarchs with James I/VII. Or maybe even begin at 1707. If forebears are included, how far do we go? Kings of Dal Riata? Kings of Wessex? Lurker  (said · done) 16:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

To answer the original question, it is all down to one editor: User:TharkunColl. Last year(?) (I cannot be bothered going through the History) he unilaterally inserted all the post 1707 monarchs in the List of English monarchs article. That user seems to like to equate England with Great Britain/United Kingdom, for reasons best known to himself. --Mais oui! 17:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If you checkout the List of Scottish monarchs and the List of English Monarchs talk pages, a discussion is ongoing.--Bill Reid | Talk 17:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

New article for Scotland Portal
With the rugby world cup coming up, perhaps the featured biography of Frank Hadden can be used on the Portal page? Portal:Rugby_Union/Selected_biography --MacRusgail 16:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Done Lurker  (said · done) 17:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. Just thought it was at least topical... All the best, --MacRusgail 18:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

New Scottish English userbox
Hello all, there are the new Scottish English userboxes. These userboxes replaced User en-sc, since ISO 3166-2:GB shows Scotland's code to be gb-sct, not "sc". For more details, see Userboxes/Non-ISO Languages. Cheers! Taric25 16:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * A while back I created the set of Userboxes for speakers of Scottish English:


 * The above user then created a duplicate set of boxes and their associated cats, the only difference being that they renamed them from "en-sc" to "en-gb-sct". Which do you prefer? Please contribute at:
 * User_categories_for_discussion
 * --Mais oui! 07:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Per the consensus of our discussion at Per User categories for discussion, we now use the following userboxes.
 * Cheers! Taric25 12:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Taric25 12:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Orkney islands FL
Update so far. Support 3 (inc. nominator). Oppose 0. Needs 4 'supports' by 25 Sept. Your comments at Featured list candidates/List of Orkney islands are welcome. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

FAR of Denis Law
Denis Law has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Woodym555 16:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a fondness for the Lawman, but don't have the time or reference material to attend to this. If anyone who does would like some help let me know. Given our vast collection of footballing stubs, someone must surely have an interest. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

John Sands
Sands was a 19th century visitor to several of our more remote islands including St Kilda and Papa Stour. He is variously described as a journalist who worked for Punch magazine, a poet and an MP. He may have come from Ormiston. I have gleaned some basic info about him from my collection of island literature, but I can't find any corroborating evidence he was ever an MP. He was apparently one in 1875. If anyone has/can find any other details please let me know as I'd like to create a short biography article about him. Ben MacDui (Talk)

Manual of Style (biographies): British, or English, (Northern) Irish, Scottish, Welsh?
The following was posted at Wikprojects for Eng, NI and Wales, but not here. So for the sake of consistency, here you go: Hi, there's currently a proposal by me for "Manual of Style (biographies)" to be clarified with usage notes regarding the use of "British" or "English", "(Northern) Irish", "Scottish" and "Welsh" to be used to describe the nationality of persons in biographical articles. Do provide your views at the "talk page" so that broad consensus on the matter can be reached. Cheers, Jacklee 16:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC) --Mais oui! 09:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Photography help
At an academic bookstore's 2/3rds off sale, I found a lovely 1891 book "University of Glasgow, Old and New". Copy #22 of a limited edition of 50. It has about 80 or so engravings and photographs, and is... well, probably worth a hell of a lot more than I paid for it.

I'd like to make it available to someone with good photographic equipment. Is anyone available? Adam Cuerden talk 15:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting. That looks like a very valuable book. Indeed there's a few copies for sale on the net, but all at big prices.  . I'd say offer it to the university itself, but they already have three of the copies, so they'd probably not be willing to buy it. If you want to do human knowledge a big favour, make some high resolutions scans and upload them to Wikipedia Commons - copyright shouldnot be an issue. It would be good to have those pictures freely available to posterity. (Even if you are going to sell it on, consider doing that first) --Docg 17:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hence my call for help: I could use someone with good photographic equipment to get copies of the pages, as it's somewhat awkward to scan. This is the Deluxe edition, by the way, and belonged to Bishop Edward T. S. Reid - has his nameplate in the front.  Adam Cuerden talk  —Preceding comment was added at 15:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * making a start on this, though the quality still needs much to be desired. I'll see if University scanners can do better than my little one. Adam Cuerden talk 04:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

English monarchy & British monarchy
There's a discussion at List of English monarchs that IMHO concerns the Scottish monarchy. Did the English monarchy continue (after 1707) as the British monarchy, while the Scottish monarchy ended OR did both the English & Scottish monarchies unify and become the British monarchy. GoodDay 23:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Braan?
I came across Braan: "Braan is a village in Perth and Kinross, Scotland." Strathbraan, that I've heard of, and the River Braan, but Braan-the-village? News to me. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I have never heard of it either and there is no sign of it on the OS at the co-ords given. This (pretty experienced) user has taken to listing non-places all over the Scottish islands too. See An Clachan, Brims etc. I suspect he is just going through a gazzetteer alphabetically. I have dropped him a note re An Clachan and Amhuinnsuidhe. They are, in my view AfD's. Ben MacDuiTalk /  Walk  18:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Infobox UK place issues
An edit shuffle has been taking place as various editors have attempted to remove the Saltire in the Inverness infobox. This is clearly not just about Inverness and as there are several other unresolved issues concerning the use of this template, I have begun a dialogue at Template talk:Infobox UK place/doc/examples (the talk page adjacent to the 'Scottish' example of the infobox). Your input is welcome. Ben MacDuiTalk /  Walk  20:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ship-breaking at "Charlestown" - same as Rosyth?
The following message was left at my Talk. Can anyone assist User:LeadSongDog? "Hi, I noticed your interest in Fife and thought you might be able to clear something up. There are a number of references to ships being broken at Charlestown in the 1910-1950 period, but this location needs disambiguation. Its pretty clear to me that it means Charlestown, Fife in most RN cases, but I'm not sure if this is the same breaker as at Rosyth. Can you shed any light on it? -- LeadSongDog (talk) 21:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)" Ta. --Mais oui! (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Sorted out the question, they were separate but nearby. Ernest Cox, Gutter Sound, Rosyth, Scapa Flow, Shipbreaking all relate.  One ref explicitly refers to both locations in its title. LeadSongDog (talk) 14:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Scots law and Courts of Scotland
I have been doing a fair bit of work in the past few days trying to improve the amount of references and expanding stubs within Category:Scots law stubs, and so far I have expanded Inner House of the Court of Session, Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland, Act of Sederunt 1540, Court of Exchequer (Scotland), Scottish Law Commission and Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000. I hope to carry this work over into Outer House of the Court of Session, the High Court of Justiciary, and other related articles. It would be cool if other editors could get involved, especially someone who is a legal expert as I am simply a geekish amateur who enjoys reading up on legal matters! Davidkinnen (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Scottish Goverment Directorates
In trying to clean up Finance and Sustainable Growth Directorate, I was looking for references. I couldn't find any reference to a department with this eact name on the SG website, and I note that the reference on Finance and Central Services Department is broken. Further, the SG website has a page on the Greener Scotland Directorate, not mentioned in our template. I am concerned that the directorates are not accurately represented on WP, and would like someone with a bit more knowledge to check this out and confirm with references and working links. Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck 09:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Article nomination for Glesgie
Anyone feeling like hopping in and giving a wee tweak to Glasgow to get it relisted as a GA in the next 3 days or so? All I can offer is kudos and a GA hot-cross-bun type symbol thingy...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

How to prepare an FAC
Announcing a new page WikiProject Scotland/Assessment/FA available via this link or the WPScotland Navbox - "How to prepare an FAC". Existing version has contributions by Users Ben MacDui, Globaltraveller and Lurker - please feel free to add further helpful information for those hoping to take the plunge. Anyone who understands all the WPMOS vagaries about em and en dashes could well add a mini-section on this. Aplogies to WP:SCO writers of FAs who I didn't get round to consulting on this early draft - I thought it was more useful in 'main space' than kicking about in a sandbox for another month or three. Ben MacDuiTalk /  Walk  14:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)