Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Seattle/Archive 3

Seattle University
I'm curious, does anyone know anything about this bell on the Seattle University campus?

Or, how about this sculpture with this inscription displayed below? I'm struggling to find much information.

I'm also curious to know the creator of commons:Category:Chief Seattle bust, Seattle University. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I live about 6 miles from Seattle University. I can eventually get there & check those things out. Probably not before meta:Wikimedia_Conference_2018, though. Peaceray (talk) 05:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. However, I took these pictures during my Seattle visit this weekend, and I was not able to find much information on site. I think I'll just have to keep searching online. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Good article nominee: David Rolf
I worked on the David Rolf article a while back. Another editor, who has also worked to update Rolf's bio, nominated the article for Good status back in 2017. They have not edited in a while, so the GA reviewer wants to make sure someone is still interested in addressing any concerns that may come up during the review. I've said I can try to help address concerns, and I wanted to see if any other WikiProject Seattle participants might also be willing to sign on. The nominator may still be around, but if not, it'd be nice to get some WikiProject support to get this article through the GA hoop. See the article's talk page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:56, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging you three just in case you're interested and willing. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  07:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Chief Seattle sculpture
Hello! I am still trying to determine if the Chief of the Suquamish – Chief Seattle article should be updated to note there are 2 versions. Currently, the article only mentions the sculpture in Pioneer Square, but I'm pretty sure the bust installed at Seattle University is by the same artist (see commons:Category:Chief Seattle bust, Seattle University). I'm struggling to find much information about the Seattle University bust, unfortunately. Does anyone have any insight? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:17, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Resource request on Al Jourgensen and Co.
Hello, I'm looking for two books which would be useful for the article Ministry (band) and others related to it.

Thanks from Russia with love, Gleb95 (talk) 15:07, 15 September 2018 (UTC).

Holy Names Academy
Hi, all. I just stumbled onto the above article from a request for help with an edit warrior posted on a user's talk that is on my watchlist. It's content is virtually unsourced and (not particularly uncommon for a private school) highly advitorial. Help with historic aspects of the school would be appreciated. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 06:05, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Page move discussion at Talk:Mercer Street (Seattle)
A user recently moved Mercer Street to a disambiguated form, and I'm proposing that it be moved back per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Please provide input.  Sounder Bruce  22:50, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Seattle Eagle nominated for deletion
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:57, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Seattle Eagle

Notability of family members in Uwajimaya
Need your thoughts on a number of drafts over at Talk:Uwajimaya. Editor has drafted biographies of family members in the business which is a local supermarket chain in Seattle. It's not Walton family AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:09, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Photo request
Can someone take a photograph of the pig statue at Pike Place Market? The Rachel (Gerber) article is currently unillustrated. The image will need to be uploaded under fair use, since this is a contemporary work of art. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:45, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Let me know if I did something wrong or you want a different/better photo. Subzidion (talk) 03:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * PikePlacePigWithSign.jpg PikePlacePigWithPlaque.jpg

, Thank you! I don't know the copyright status of the sculpture to confirm if the image can be hosted at Commons, but I've added the files to the Wikipedia article for now. Much appreciated! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

New Userbox
I have replaced the old  userbox with a new   userbox.

If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to contact me. Bsoyka✉ 07:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Seattle for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Seattle is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Seattle until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 05:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Commons help request
It would be great if someone could add more categories and/or depicts to the (currently 34) photos in commons:Category:Interior of the Husky Union Building. I've been categorizing a crazy number of photos of Seattle, and I don't really bring anything special to this batch. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 04:34, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Mikha'il Na'ima, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 09:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Jenny_Durkan
Could someone look at the content issues there? Needs more discussion. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 09:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

AfD for Carl Haglund (real estate)
I have nominated the Carl Haglund (real estate) article for deletion. You are all invited to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/Carl Haglund (real estate). Schazjmd  (talk)  23:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Pier 58 and Waterfront Park
Are Pier 58 and Waterfront Park (Seattle) essentially the same thing? Should we merge or keep separate? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , the entire pier is taken up by the park, so there should be no separate article.  Sounder Bruce  05:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 12:20, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of InnerSloth for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article InnerSloth is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/InnerSloth until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite (talk) 04:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move Lady A → [[Lady A (band)]]
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lady A § Requested move 9 November 2020. This is a discussion about moving Lady A → Lady A (band) as per the WP:BANDDAB naming convention guideline & to disambiguate the band from Anita White AKA Lady A (singer), who performs in Seattle. Peaceray (talk) 04:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Elephant Car Wash
Just created Elephant Car Wash. Cute! Improvements welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:53, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Fritz Hedges Waterway Park
I created Fritz Hedges Waterway Park. -- c36b9 (talk) 22:01, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Seattle
I have nominated Seattle for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c)  buidhe  02:28, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Image request: Black Lives Matter street mural (Capitol Hill, Seattle)
Image requested for Black Lives Matter street mural (Capitol Hill, Seattle). Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hard to get a great picture of something so big, but I added one! Reywas92Talk 15:18, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Interstate 405 (Washington) § History
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Interstate 405 (Washington) § History. Kent Sullivan (talk) 16:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Navigation templates for Capitol Hill and other neighborhoods
I'm not sure if Capitol Hill has defined boundaries, but Template:Captiol Hill, Seattle might be helpful for linking related entries in Category:Capitol Hill, Seattle. We might consider creating navboxes for some other Seattle neighborhoods as well. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you have a template an example in mind that we can use? We may want to also want to include a link to wikivoyage:Seattle/Capitol_Hill-Central_District, which has a Guide status, meaning it is good quality. Peaceray (talk) 04:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure, we have navboxes for most neighborhoods in Portland: Template:Buckman, Portland, Oregon, Template:Kerns, Portland, Oregon, Template:Richmond, Portland, Oregon, Template:Woodstock, Portland, Oregon, etc. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I can make a go of that. Will work on it over the next week or so. Peaceray (talk) 05:20, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I created it at Template:Capitol Hill, Seattle. Let me know what you think. Anyone else can also chime in. Peaceray (talk) 01:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Peaceray Looks great! Thanks! I will start adding to article appropriately. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm working on some other projects right now but hopefully I can create similar templates for other neighborhoods in Category:Neighborhoods in Seattle. Thanks again, Peaceray! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Skillet
Proposed move at Talk:Skillet Street Food --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Article review
I wrote Seattle process and wouldn't mind review, edit, and a good hook for Did You Know? SchmuckyTheCat (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SchmuckyTheCat (talk • contribs) 04:39, February 22, 2011

Loyola Hall at AfD

 * Loyola Hall (Seattle University) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Skillet Street Food
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Skillet Street Food that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 20:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Ghost Alley Espresso
Another editor nominated Ghost Alley Espresso for deletion. I've nominated the article for Good status.

We'll see... (shrug) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Daily Dozen Doughnut Company at AfD
Now Daily Dozen Doughnut Company has been nominated for deletion.

Discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I've nominated the article for Good status, if anyone's interested in reviewing. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:48, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Skinner Building (Seattle)
Skinner Building (Seattle) has been nominated for deletion. Discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Skinner Building (Seattle)
Skinner Building (Seattle) has been nominated for deletion. Discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Neighborhood boundaries
I understand some (many?) Seattle neighborhoods don't have official boundaries. However, articles like Capitol Hill, Seattle often mention boundaries such as specific streets or geographic features. Should we remove unsourced content? Which sources should be used for confirming boundaries? Can we list which neighborhoods have set boundaries and which do not? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Related: Another editor has created some neighborhood navigation templates. I'm attempting to improve/organize some of them, and invite other editors to review for accuracy otherwise improve:


 * Template:Ballard, Seattle
 * Template:Beacon Hill, Seattle
 * Template:Broadview, Seattle
 * Template:Cascade, Seattle
 * Template:Central District, Seattle
 * Template:Central Waterfront, Seattle
 * Template:Denny Triangle, Seattle
 * Template:Eastlake, Seattle
 * Template:Fremont, Seattle
 * Template:Georgetown, Seattle
 * Template:Magnolia, Seattle
 * Template:Montlake, Seattle
 * Template:Queen Anne, Seattle
 * Template:Rainier Beach, Seattle
 * Template:Wallingford, Seattle

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Overlap b/w Template:Central Waterfront, Seattle and Template:Pike Place Market
I'm not sure if Pike Place Market is entirely within the boundaries of Central Waterfront or not, but there's a lot of overlap between Template:Central Waterfront, Seattle and Template:Pike Place Market. Obviously, Central Waterfront is a larger area so there are entries in the template which don't appear in the PPM template. Similarly, the PPM has some entries not in the Central Waterfront navbox, mostly people affiliated with PPM. I guess my question is, are both templates helpful to readers or should these be merged or adjusted in some way? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:31, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think many people would consider Pike Place Market to be part of the waterfront, especially without the direct connection that is being built at the moment. While both are under the general umbrella of Downtown Seattle, they are separate units.  Sounder Bruce  03:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @SounderBruce Hmm, ok. I had assumed PPM was part of the Central Waterfront. Text at Central_Waterfront,_Seattle suggests I'm not alone, but clearly there's inconsistency and changes over time. This Friends of Waterfront Seattle map includes PPM as part of the Central Waterfront. Seattle neighborhoods not having formal boundaries is driving me insane as I try to categorize Wikipedia entries! If we are not including PPM as part of the Central Waterfront, then Template:Central Waterfront, Seattle can be trimmed significantly. I have no idea what we should do with Template:Downtown Seattle as there are probably hundreds of Wikipedia entries related to Downtown Seattle. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:41, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Related discussions re: Capitol Hill and First Hill
See related discussions at Talk:Union_Seattle and Talk:Via Tribunali. Feedback welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Template:Downtown Seattle
I've nominated Template:Downtown Seattle for deletion. Project members are invited to see why in the deletion discussion and participation is welcome. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of Seattle articles
There was recently a deletion discussion about the Daily Dozen Doughnut Company at the Public Market. Part of the criticism of the article was that it was said to be merely a doughnut shop, and skepticism about how it could matter. I want to speak to that.
 * Talk:Daily Dozen Doughnut Company/GA1
 * Articles for deletion/Daily Dozen Doughnut Company (2nd nomination)
 * Deletion review/Log/2022 December 19

From a Wikipedia reviewing perspective, I think the sources for this article speak for themselves, and pass WP:GNG. Wikipedia has a low bar for including topics for articles, and this donut shop meets those criteria in my opinion. Besides the conventional sources, this article has many other sources from prominent authors and publications. There is a Wikipedia process for evaluating those, and that process is at play in the above links.

Some people are questioning other Seattle institutions following the criticism of this donut shop, and I want to address that criticism because I am reading some emotion and bias coming in which I feel is outside of Wikipedia's evaluation process. The general mood is dismissal that so many organizations in Seattle merit Wikipedia articles. To me the high coverage of Seattle makes sense, but for context, here is my explanation. 1) Wikipedia requires sources covering topics and 2) Seattle has an extraordinary amount of media coverage beyond almost any other city in the world. That media coverage is true for the region, and the explanation is in List of countries by GDP (nominal). Seattle has a GDP greater than most countries. Because of the money, it makes sense that Seattle alone has more media coverage than the national media output of most countries.

Besides its astounding wealth, the two largest companies there are Microsoft and Amazon, both of which are in the business of encouraging media engagement beyond human attention capacity. The tech industry and Seattle society both aggressively encourage the creation of the kind of media records which Wikipedia uses in its inclusion criteria. If anyone wonders if it is reasonable why Seattle (and the entire Cascadia region) is over-represented in Wikipedia, the explanation is that the region is also over-represented in global media. Seattle's Pike Place Market is well covered in Wikipedia because Wikipedia looks for sources. Every bit of downtown real estate is in a competition to connect to the world's wealthiest people, and that drives as much media as humanity could think to sponsor in such an environment.

Wikipedia's general notability guidelines are arguments for inclusion, not arguments against inclusion. No one should be surprised that Seattle gets a lot of media coverage; it is a privileged place. When some aspect of Seattle gets a lot of attention, that is not a fluke - it is just an exceptionally well documented place. Stick to WP:GNG, and do not be surprised if Seattle topics meet the criteria much more often than those elsewhere.  Bluerasberry  (talk)  22:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * That sounds an awful lot like original research to me. Some academic must have looked into this at some point. Valereee (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You said, "I think that's looking like a surprisingly large number of [Pike Place Market]'s vendors have an article." You made the interpretation that the number is large; my interpretation is that the area has a rich media environment, and that ideally all of the world should be so well documented.
 * One paper that says rich places get better Wikipedia coverage is
 * More info is at Ideological bias on Wikipedia, Gender bias on Wikipedia, Racial bias on Wikipedia, and Geographical bias on Wikipedia. It is my own original idea that regardless of ideology, gender, race, and geography, when there are topics of interest to a concentration of wealth, then there are more media sources and a higher chance of Wikipedia coverage.
 * The only points on which I would like to persuade people are that 1) Seattle is rich and 2) no one should be surprised when rich places have more media. A bias that I see in those Seattle deletion discussions is disbelief that Seattle could be so well documented, despite the evidence of the sources being cited.  Bluerasberry   (talk)  20:27, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And do Graham, Straumann, Hogan call out Seattle?
 * Can't remember if I mentioned somewhere the proportion of Category:Doughnut shops in the United States that are in Seattle or Portland? A third. C'mon. Is it likely a third of the "1-in-a-thousand" donut shops in the US are in either Seattle or Portland? And I know you guys like your donuts, but are there 7000 donuts shops in the area? Or could it possibly be that there is a highly prolific editor in the area who has notability standards that are not as strict as the rest of the project? Valereee (talk) 20:37, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, I think it's worth noting that you've indicated you think a single sentence can constitute significant coverage. Which means it's possibly at least two editors in the area who have notability standards that are not as strict as the rest of the project. Valereee (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Analyzing Category:Restaurants in the United States by state shows more than 1 in 6 restaurants in the country are (or were) in Portland, 50% more than there are in New York City, which has no shortage of wealth, media documentation, and food culture! Seattle is well on its way toward those numbers, not because there's a broader bias regarding its (or Portland's) dining interest and media coverage, but because a single user has focused on those cities using sources that are routine, local, and minimal passing coverage that I don't believe contribute well toward GNG or NCORP. Eater.com has sections for 22 US cities, Thrillist.com has guides for 20 cities, and most major cities have newspapers or alt-weeklies with restaurant reviews and other local business coverage for their local audience. I see no reason at all to think that Seattle is exceptional among US cities (or major ones in developed countries generally). It of course does have many restaurants that do receive coverage that is deeper and wider, but pages like Lockspot Cafe, Merchant's Cafe, Skillet (restaurant), among many others fail to show what makes these any more than generic dining establishments with happy customers that receive some typical mentions. There should perhaps be a wider discussion on these types of businesses and how things like listicles and routine things like reporting of openings, closings, and events fit into NCORP, as well as the encyclopedic relevance to say that so-and-so included a place in a list of 30 Italian restaurants or whatever. Reywas92Talk 22:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Analyzing Category:Restaurants in the United States by state shows more than 1 in 6 restaurants in the country are (or were) in Portland, 50% more than there are in New York City, which has no shortage of wealth, media documentation, and food culture! Seattle is well on its way toward those numbers, not because there's a broader bias regarding its (or Portland's) dining interest and media coverage, but because a single user has focused on those cities using sources that are routine, local, and minimal passing coverage that I don't believe contribute well toward GNG or NCORP. Eater.com has sections for 22 US cities, Thrillist.com has guides for 20 cities, and most major cities have newspapers or alt-weeklies with restaurant reviews and other local business coverage for their local audience. I see no reason at all to think that Seattle is exceptional among US cities (or major ones in developed countries generally). It of course does have many restaurants that do receive coverage that is deeper and wider, but pages like Lockspot Cafe, Merchant's Cafe, Skillet (restaurant), among many others fail to show what makes these any more than generic dining establishments with happy customers that receive some typical mentions. There should perhaps be a wider discussion on these types of businesses and how things like listicles and routine things like reporting of openings, closings, and events fit into NCORP, as well as the encyclopedic relevance to say that so-and-so included a place in a list of 30 Italian restaurants or whatever. Reywas92Talk 22:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Graffiti in Seattle
New article: Graffiti in Seattle

Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)