Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Serbia/Archive 2

page layout
I'm going to flatten the project pages unless there any objections. Some places it's unnecessary and it makes it harder to track changes. // Laughing Man 04:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I will begin since there are no objections :) // Laughing Man 20:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Misc questions
First, is there any sort of talk page template for the project?

Second, I've been trying to clean up and add what I can to Golubac fortress, but I'm a bit stuck now. I've posted the major questions on the talk page, and am hoping posting here will get it seen and/or find someone who doesn't mind doing some translation from Serbian pages, since I can't do that myself and they seem to be a lot longer than the English and German pages I've found. -Bbik 17:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There isn't a talk page template, but it's something I think we should create, and have my todo list, just been a little to busy recently, and it certainly will give more exposure to Wikiproject and I think it needs it.


 * For translation, hopefully you will get a response shortly as I have asked a Serbian translator who is a member of this Wikiproject to see if he can assist. // Laughing Man 03:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! That's a handy link, too.  And since I didn't want to post external links on the page when I couldn't confirm what they said, the two I found that look to have significantly more information are the Serbian version and this one which I can at least see has dates, though I can't get much farther than that.  And sorry for the nuisance extra post if you meant I'd hopefully get a response on my talk page, rather than here.  Still trying to figure out how all this works. :) -Bbik 05:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Is everything going ok with this Bbik, or do you still need some translation assistance? // Laughing Man 21:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all set, the second person you asked is working on it. And now that I know the translator list exists, I can poke people myself if I need more help.  But thanks for checking! -Bbik 03:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good to hear :) // Laughing Man 03:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Project tag on talk page
Why this Project does not have a template? It does not necessary associate to Assessment. e.g. Template:WPBrazil, Template:WikiProject France. Matthew_hk t  c  06:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What? Of course it does ;-)   Thanks for the reminder :-)  Хајдук Еру  (Talk |  | Cont) 07:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done! // Laughing Man 12:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

company logos
If anyone is looking for quality images for Serbian companies to use in articles, I just found this site, it might be useful: // Laughing Man 20:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I knew about the site, but am unsure about copyright status of the logos. Will have to sort it out once. Nikola 14:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Serbia topics
I propose that Template:Serbia topics is redone in this way: if an argument is added to it, for example,, it will show that topic expanded, and only titles of other topics. If there are no arguments, it will show more or less what it does today. What do you think? Nikola 14:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but would it be difficult to implement? // laughing man 23:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not too difficult. Nikola 11:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I did it! How do you like it? Nikola 08:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

That's a heck of a lot more compact, I like it! Though, would it take much work to add the show/hide links so it's still possible to expand the other topics? There've been enough times where I've navigated pages that way, so not having it would be a nuisance, but minor enough to be ignored it it'd take too much work. -Bbik 09:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it could be done later. Nikola 09:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have a question. Why only Serbia uses different type of template? Why don't we have templates wiki wiki standards? --Göran Smith 13:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * And what are these wiki standards? Nikola 09:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See Template:Politics of Germany, Template:Politics of Japan, Template:Politics of Croatia, Template:Politics of Hungary, Template:Politics of Slovenia, Template:Politics of Italy, ... and Template:Germany topics, Template:Japan topics. Some of these countries are FA, so there are a good example of FA articles. --Göran Smith 10:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merger
I propose that this project merge with WikiProject Republika Srpska. I really don't see the need for two such similar projects. John Carter 19:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good idea, I agree Batobatobato
 * It seems that project was just a test by a new user. Also, it seems there is nothing to merge. I would simply bring this to MfD to have it deleted. // laughing man 23:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually that's probably an even better idea. Does that mean if someone searches for WikiProject Republika Srpska they will get redirected to WikiProject Serbia? Batobatobato
 * No, a redirect would be needed for that.
 * At the risk of opening a can of worms, perhaps we could say that this project will also cover RS until a specific project is devoted to it? Nikola 11:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Barakovo
Hi there. I am not a member of this project, but I am looking for help from Serbian Wikipedians. In short, this article, Barakovo, is about a village that may or may not exist. I can find no evidence for it, and neither can some other editors, and it is now up at AfD as a hoax. I looking for anyone who would be able to check detailed maps of the area, and tell us whether this village does actually exist, and possibly even rewrite and source the article. Thanks a lot. J Milburn 19:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It might be an enclave, but I couldn't find it on a road map. --Krytan 20:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Dika Djordjevic
Hello. I've placed a prod tag on Dika Djordjevic because I have no indication whatsoever that this content is actually genuine. Of course, you guys will probably know for sure so I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at it and possibly remove the prod tag and reference the article properly if Dika Djordjevic is indeed a famous Serbian singer. Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 02:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This does seem like it might be a hoax, I did some googling and did not come up with anything for the article name, and even "Dika Đorđević" returns nothing. // laughing man 03:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Serbia
Should the featured person section be merged with featured biography? What do you guys think? I want to make room for "News and events" :)--Krytan 17:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC) Also, how should each of the featured items rotate? On a monthly basis? --Krytan 17:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I say go for it, the portal needs updating and that does make sense :) // laughing man 19:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 18:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Shorten the list
This list is getting a little long for recent articles... Perhaps it could be shortened? --Krytan 18:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we should come up with a way update this list. Maybe start organizing list by month article was created, then easier for someone to just chop off sections? (moving to main talk page, hope you don't mind) . // laughing man 19:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would work. Thanks for moving it by the way, it would get more attention on the main talk page. --Krytan 21:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Republic_of_Serbian_Krajina
Здравствуйте! Today I've looked at this article and was kind of shocked. It currently seems very biased against Serbians and also it lacks ANY references. I've put fact tags in the suspicious places but I can't do much else. Check that article if you are interested. Alaexis 18:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You must be new here... thanks for the effort. Nikola 22:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Belgrade on FAR
Belgrade has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Todor→Bozhinov 13:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Foča massacres
You guys might be interested in the discussion about the Foča massacres on that article's talk page.--Carabinieri 07:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

new Serbia-related articles
I added rules for Serbia for AlexNewArtBot. It should find new Serbia-related articles and report on User:AlexNewArtBot/SerbiaSearchResult. Nikola 19:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Banner nesting
Does anyone know how to make it work? Right now, it seems to just stick the full banner in the overarching nesting box, but doesn't get minimized like others I've seen. -Bbik 21:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you give an example (maybe in a 'sandbox' page)? Are you refering to the talk page banner, if so it was taken from WikiProject France so we can check in there to see if they have made some recent updates. // laughing man 14:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I hadn't saved it before beacuse it looked funny, but Talk:Crusade of Varna, for one. If we/WPFrance can't figure out how to make it work, easy enough to get rid of the nesting again, and if we can then it doesn't need to be added later. (Bulgaria's doing the same thing, I left a note there, too.) -Bbik 15:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, nevermind, I think I got it. Always helps when you bother to have such brilliant ideas as comparing the ones that do work with the ones that don't.  Someone yell at me if I messed it up somewhere else and didn't notice. -Bbik 15:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

More code questions
I just noticed that Skopje had a handmade (older) version of the template Historical capitals of Serbia, rather than a transclusion, but in the process, the COA and flag were added to the header. I tried just adding the images into the template code, but instead of making the header taller, it causes the COA to overlap with the body text. Capitals of Bulgaria also has the COA and flag, but it has completely different coding, so I can't just copy its format this time. Is there any way to add the two images to the code as it is now, or does it need to be completely changed to allow for that? -Bbik 05:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Need help determining nationality of a chess player
WP:CHESS needs some assistance to correctly categorize some chess player biographies from the former Yugoslavia. One bio in question is Dragoljub Minić (1937–2005). Our page currently says he was a Croat, but an anon commented that he was a Serb, and his places of birth (Titograd) and death (Novi Sad) suggest that Serb is correct. Can anyone here help? Quale 03:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried looking this up, but didn't find much. I agree with your rationale based on his places of birth and death, it is questionable.  I would say that he was a Yugoslav since that is what the sources state, unless there is a source that states otherwise.    Perhaps someone from the Chess WikiProject has access to the books referenced in the article?  Maybe something definitive can be found there?  // laughing man 14:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Boris Tadic
I'm currently working on improving the article on Boris Tadic, President of Serbia. His grandparents were killed by the Ustase, is it acceptable to refer to the events at Jasenovac as genocide?

Soviet Canuckistan 20:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see why not. It was part of the holocaust, was it not? Lord  _Eru  _(Cont)  04:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Project banner
I have updated the banner to include options for the Belgrade group as well, I think. I basically copied the provisions from the Template:ChristianityWikiProject and substituted in the right names. I hope it works. John Carter 18:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Does there need to be/Should there be the Belgrade workgroup when there's also the full Belgrade WikiProject with the separate banner?
 * Also, something with that part of the template seems slightly off -- the WPSerbia banner seems to add a non-existent template to all pages it's transcluded on (in the list at the bottom when you edit a page), and because the template doesn't exist, either, if the workgroup switch were to be used, it would also add a red link to the template page in the banner, rather than transcluding whatever it's supposed to display. Can that be fixed somehow?  Is there a way to make that template appear in the list only when the workgroup bit is turned on, too?  Or will it always show up no matter what, simply because it's in the WPSerbia template's code? -Bbik ★ 19:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't need to be, but it does reduce banner crowding. It doesn't have to be used if it's problematic. Also, please specify a page where the problem you cited appears. John Carter 20:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For the red-linked template in the list when you edit, pick any talk page with the WPSerbia banner and scroll down. For the red link showing in the template itself when the workgroup's used, I haven't actually seen it on any page, just got curious and tested a bit without saving.  However, here, I saved this time so you could see.  The Belgrade work group page doesn't exist either, for that matter, but that's less of an issue than whatever the template was supposed to be, and easily fixed by just removing the link. -Bbik ★ 23:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

documentary about Novi Sad music scene
I was wondering if anyone heard anything about a documentary film called Bilo jednom... it is apparently focused on the punk rock music scene in Novi Sad, and I thought someone might have heard something about it. We are trying to determine if the film meets the notability criteria of Wikipedia. // laughing man 01:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Serbian First League 1992/93
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Serbian First League 1992/93 is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 09:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Peer review request
Seeing as the assessment section of this project seems to be dead, I've listed Smederevo fortress for review here, instead. Anyone here who'd care to chime in as well would be most welcome! -Bbik ★ 06:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Kosovo
Hello. There's a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. You've contributed to Balkans articles in the past and I thought you might have an interest. Cheers. 16:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

There's also a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. You have an interest in Serbia-related articles and I thought you might be interested. The articles List of countries and Annex to the list of countries (where the inclusion criteria reside) are both relevant. Cheers again. DSuser 16:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

three finger salute (tri prsta)
There is currently a content dispute in the Three-finger salute (Serbian) article. If there are any editors here who are more familiar with the usage of the salute in Serbia and by Serbs, please help us reach a consensus on how the article should be presented. In particular it would be helpful if a native speaker can verify the sources provided, and perhaps add additional references as I'm having difficulty located English language sources on the subject. // laughing man 16:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

hatnote
I've removed the "Self Requesting Block" redirect/hatnote that was recently added as it not a very commonly linked to page, and the "shortcut" to an anchor on a the WP:BLOCK page will confuse other editors. // laughing man 15:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Српско поморје
I'd like to point attention to recently published book [http://www.rastko.org.yu/arheologija/djankovic/djankovic-pomorje.pdf Српско поморје од 7. до 10. столећа] (warning, 27MB PDF) by Đorđe Janković. It is especially interesting because it combines results of archaeological research with the oldest written sources about Serbs, so I believe it will be very helpful in writing about this period. Nikola 19:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Request third opinion
There's an edit war going on at Towns in the Former RSK, over whether this should be an article or just a redirect, and I'm not familiar enough with the subject to understand what the dispute is. Could a few people take a look at the article and make a more informed suggestion? -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Novak Đoković
Can members of this project add his/hers opinion on changing the name of this article, from Novak Đoković to Novak Djokovic. See: Talk:Novak Đoković --Göran Smith 21:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Bringing this issue here is directly against WP policy as outlined here: WP:Consensus. I see no other option than Arbitration, now that what consensus we would have reached has been tainted by user misconduct. -- Yano 22:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I din't know that rule. --Göran Smith 23:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yano is cross posting this, so I will respond here as well. There's nothing wrong with asking this WikiProject's participants opinion regarding an article that is under the scope of this project. It is no different from the request also made at WikiProject Tennis. // laughing man 00:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Varazdin Massacre
Might need some balance.--Stone 15:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And some sourcing. Did such an event even occur?  The Varazdin page says no, and I can't find anything with a quick google search...  I figure one of you who live around there would know better, but instinct's telling me to take it straight to AfD, which I think I'm going to do in a day or two, if no one beats me to it. -Bbik ★ 17:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your favorite wikistalker did :-). Duja ► 08:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Serbian placenames
I have recently added some Serbian pronunciations of placenames to Commons, so I believe people working on places would want to put them in appropriate articles with Audio template. Nikola 18:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Great work Nikola! // laughing man 15:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Serb Chetniks Rescue U.S. Pilots during World War II/Operation Halyard
Article Serb Chetniks Rescue U.S. Pilots during World War II has been listed as in need of improvement since January 2006. In the meantime, someone created and I improved on article Operation Halyard that was supposed to serve as a replacement for the first article but the first one was never deleted. So now we need an administrator to move Operation Halyard to Serb Chetniks Rescue U.S. Pilots during World II. Only an administrator can do this. Are there any volunteers or should I post this on a deletion request page?SWik78 21:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Veljko Nikitović
Could someone who understands the language please take a look at Veljko Nikitović and Velijko Nikitovici? Are they they the same person? As far as I can tell they seem to be, but virtually all the tidbits of information online are in Serbian (I think?), so I'm having trouble figuring things out. If they are the same person, which spelling variation should be used? Thanks, — xDanielx T/C\R 09:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)