Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Serbia/Archive 4

New Municipalities
There are new kosovo municipalities... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipalities_of_Kosovo#New_Municipalities (LAz17 (talk) 02:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)).

Bečej
Can anyone please check the article Bečej? It has some names of political movements with weird spellings.

Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Cathedral of Saint Sava
Please someone, anyone go to Talk:Temple of Saint Sava and read the request for clarification. Honestly, this isn't hard! It doesn't require in-depth knowledge! It only requires some "local knowledge". I'm sure that most of the people who belong to this project are capable of fixing it. If you read my suggestions, you will understand the problem and know how to fix it.

I am amazed that a request for something to be fixed can be ignored for weeks and months. This is not a big ask. Amandajm (talk) 06:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Ana Ivanović
Can active project members participate in a survey on Talk:Ana Ivanović. There's an active survey to change the article name from Ivanović to Ivanovic, so if you can tell us your views on that.--Göran S (talk) 22:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
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Serbian Hockey League
We could use some help on this page. Serbian Hockey League. -LAz17 (LAz17 (talk) 19:57, 3 March 2009 (UTC)).

Thanks, random stranger. Panonian League New stuff. yay. (LAz17 (talk) 02:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)).

Kosovo POV problems
There is an issue that WP:SERBIA editors may be interested in. I have edited some articles, which include List of countries and capitals in native languages, List of official languages by state, List of official languages, and have inserted Abkhazia and South Ossetia, based upon:

1) The fact that they are recognised by one other country which has broad international recognition 2) The fact that Kosovo is listed independently on such lists 3) If Kosovo and Taiwan are listed independently, then the same has to go for Abkhazia and South Ossetia, in the interests of NPOV.

Another editor has at some stage also inserted Abkhazia and South Ossetia as part of Europe, based also upon the existence of Kosovo being listed independently.

There is now discussion at Talk:Europe in which editors are arguing that Kosovo should be listed, with the ommission of Abhkazia and South Ossetia. I have suggested, and it appears to be the general consensus on other articles, such as List of countries, that so-called partially recognised states (this means Abhazia, Kosovo, Taiwan, South Ossetia, SADR and Palestine) be listed inline with their partially recognised status, but with a notation that their independence is disputed.

Perhaps interested project members will like to provide their opinions on the talk page. --Russavia Dialogue 20:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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Foreign players in serbian football

 * I would like to see the general opinion that people have about the creation of such page. Please see my last coment in the discussion page of the Talk:Serbian Superliga 2008-09 . FkpCascais (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)FkpCascais

Milunka Savić, woman warrior without references
I ran across a page on, apparently a highly-decorated female soldier in World War I, and I think it has the potential to expand into a fascinating article -- if only its content could be verified and sourced. I'm not sure where to begin looking for primary sources on this individual (I don't speak Serbian), and I don't really have the time to devote to a major article expansion right now anyway (another, off-wiki research project is currently monopolizing my time), so perhaps someone with more expertise in Serbian military history might like to adopt the article and give it the tender, loving care it needs. --Dynaflow  babble  23:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

House of flowers name - should it be at Kuća Cveća or...
OK, in English is this better known as Kuća Cveća or House of flowers - also, [[House of Flowers is a disambiguation page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

250th_Air_Defence_Missile_Brigade
I stopped by this page when I was working on random articles correcting common typos and grammar errors.

I have done some initial copyediting and some minor format changes, and would like someone to stop by and make sure I haven't changed the meaning of any of the sentences. If I have, please correct me.

The combat history of this brigade is fascinating, and I invite any editors who might have access to reliable sources to add more references. -- Stani Stani  20:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Albania–Serbia relations
FYI. Ikip (talk) 00:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Ottoman Empire proposal
Please give your views at WikiProject Council/Proposals/Ottoman Empire. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Translation problems
Želim samo da istaknem da ima tekstova, naročito o fudbalskim klubovima, u kojima su prevodi dosta čudni. Jako je dobro to da imamo napisanu istoriju tih klubova ali, čini mi se da ko ih piše, ne zna dobro običaje oko pisanja engleskog jezika. Konkretno, problem je u tome što neki tekstovi prevode imenice. Na primer, u članku o Borcu iz Čačka se ime kluba prevodi u "Fighter". Znam da je to kod nas, u nekim slučajevima, običaj, neka imena prevoditi, ali u engleskom, sa izuzetkom nekih bitnijih i korišćenijih imena, kao Crvena Zvezda>Red Star, to zaista nije običaj. Ima tu i mnogih drugih primera kao FK (Fudbalski Klub) masovno prevoditi u FC. Tome zaista nema potrebe i to nije uobičajeno. Takođe sam promenio neka imena igrača. Recimo, gruzijski fudbaler Čkarozija, u tekstu je bio napisan kao Ckarozija, u slučaju prelaska u neku drugu zemlju, sigurno neće ostati kao Ckarozija ili Čkarozija, nego mislim da je sigurnije imati u obzir način pisanja inostranih imena na engleskom, što bi u ovom slučaju bilo Chkarozia ili moguće Tchkarozia. Isti slučaj je sa ruskim igračem Radničkog iz Kragujevca Šikovcev-om, na engleskom sigurno neće biti Š/Sikovcev, nego Shikovtsev. Pošto je ovo engleska wikipedija, mislim da bi bilo dobro držati se nekih pravila: srpska imena pisati normalno, srpskom latinicom, pošto je to običaj na engleskom, a strana imena na način kako ga englezi pišu ( nije toliko teško otkriti kako se neka slova, kao rusko Ч prevode na Tch, a nikako na naše Č ili ostaviti C). Sa ovim nikako ne želim da pravim lošu kritiku, naprotiv, odlično je imati što više informacija o nama, ali bi onda bilo dobro da to neko "dotera" na engleskom, imajući uvek u obzir trud koji je neko, sa boljim ili lošijim znanjem engleskog jezika, imao kad je pisao te članke. Takođe želim da znam dali postoji interes od strane WikiProject Serbia da oceni, makar kao low interes, liste koje sam napravio, ili kako već to funkcioniše. FkpCascais (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest
A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.

The Transhumanist 00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

question about Serbian
I posted a question at Talk:Serbian kinship, which may not get much traffic. I'm wondering if there is any difference between the several terms pašenog, pašanac, svak, badžo (other than the last being a Turkish loan). Does Serbian distinguish, say, men whose wives are sisters from men whose brother and sister are married? Also, is there a word for the relationship between men whose children get married, or who arrange for their children to get married? (I.e. like Russian сват, when used as a kin term.) And is there any word for "co-wife", that is, the relationship between two women who share a husband?

Thanks, kwami (talk) 08:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Mary of Serbia, Queen of Bosnia
Hello! Do you think that Mary of Serbia, Queen of Bosnia should be part of this Wiki project? That woman was a Serbian princess, as well as the last Despoina of Serbia and the last Queen of Bosnia, so she is pretty significant. Surtsicna (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Illyrians
A debate is going in Talk:Illyrians, regarding how much weight should be given to connection between Illyrians and Albanians. Albanian editors are adamant that Albanians are direct, unbroken descendents of the Illyrians and that this should be mentioned in the lead. They mostly use modern Balkan history books to prove their point, rather than books that focus on the Illyrians themselves. Since the subject of the article is the Illyrians, however, I and a number of other editors maintain that the subject of the Albanians Illyrian origins is a) disputed, and b) peripheral to the subject of the Illyrians and is better discussed in the Origin of the Albanians article. A brief survey on expert sources on the Illyrians (Evans, Wilkes) confirms this. However, the debate has stalled because not enough neutral users are involved, and the Albanian editors are numerically superior and now resort to ridiculous wikilawyering arguments ("Bring sources that prove that Albanians are peripheral to the subject of the Illyrians") to stall the debate. I am thus posting in the relevant Wikiproject pages to try and get a meaningful debate started that is representative of the Wikipedia community as a whole, in the hope of achieving a stable consensus. --Athenean (talk) 07:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Belgrade Metro
I have started expanding the article on the Belgrade Metro. Help or suggestions would be appreciated. (LAz17 (talk) 23:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)).

Macedonia naming Request for Comments
Centralized discussion page set up to decide on a comprehensive naming convention about Macedonia-related naming practices is now inviting comments on a number of competing proposals from the community. Please register your opinions on the RfC subpages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Serbian national football teams
Hi. I have asked this question in some talk pages, but I never obtained any answer. Can you also see the Croatia national water polo team page to see what am I talking about. FkpCascais (talk) 21:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If Serbia is declared officially the successor of all the previous national teams (SCG,FRJ,SFRJ,KJ,K-SHS), why is in all the pages edited the text as if it is a new National Team we are talking about?
 * If the Serbian Football Federation website counts the entire history of the national team, with the summatory of all the results, since the beggining, why are the pages edited the way that would do the people who doesn´t simpatize with Serbia, and doesn´t wish to recognize the official right that the Serbian National football team has over the past Yugoslav selections?

Timeline of Serbian history
I think that all you should review this article. It's entirely on the side of the Serbs. There isn't mention of the serbian massacres committed during the war in Croatia and Bosnia (such as Srebrenica massacre, Vukovar massacre and much more), presents the Serbs as "poor victims" of the "Croatian agression" in the Croatian war of Independence when was all the opposite!!! I can't be more indignant, the article is great lie! This is not a personnal attack against all you, only a mention of a article that not represent the truth and the reality (and you know it, in the wars nobody is a saint). Please change everything that is wrong, wikipedia shouldn't be a nationalist source. Greetings --190.172.249.228 (talk) 01:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And other thing, there is a complete wrong map in the article the map that said Serb lands 950-1040 (the name of the picture is Eastern Roman Empire and in the article is put as Serb lands!). I think that you should change it. --190.172.249.228 (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Lapot (senicide)
We could use some assistance from the Serbia project over here. I'm very suspicious of this article. Irbisgreif (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Artcile now fully referenced, but more help needed. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Smederevo Fortress
Smederevo Fortress has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Malleus Fatuorum 17:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Kosovar people vs Kosovan people CfD
Found here; all users welcome to participate. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The first theatre and actors in Serbia
What was the first theatre in this country with professional actors of both genders? Who is counted as the first professional actor and actress respectively? Thank you in advance for those who can answer!--Aciram (talk) 22:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The net say the first modern theatre in the country was founded in 1861. What was it called? And who were the first actors and actresses there? I would be grateful if anyone could reply on my talkpage. Regards--Aciram (talk) 14:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Movement for unification of Serbia and Montenegro (copy)
I came across the article for Movement for unification of Romania and Moldova and was wondering if it might apply to Serbia and Montenegro's situation as the two topics are closely similar, even more so with Serbia and Montenegro.

There is enough historical evidence and proof here on Wikipedia itself to build a detailed article on the subject. Such as the close relationship historic/cultural/ethnic between the two groups. As well as political parties in both nations, particularly in Montenegro supporting the idea. Let me know what you think. Bluewings 2:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think its a great idea, particularly since I was looking for an article like that but could not find one anywhere. I'm a new user though so I'm still trying to figure out how this whole wikipedia thing works. Yugo91aesop (talk) 21:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo North Future
Hi, I was born in Indiana but I was exchange student in Croatia, I also visited Kosovo, is it best that you guys separate after official referendum, that's what you are thinking?Good, most practical! Do you expect war? What part of serbia are you from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kosovo_map-en.svg River, a good border?

Renaming Years in Yugoslavia to disambiguation SFRY and FRY
The related Category:Years in Yugoslavia has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for Discussion page.

Battle of KOsovo Problem, it was military draw
Vazno! I came across that these are reliable sources from encyclopedia.com http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kosovo&diff=237017367&oldid=236979065 some dudes mkil and others have edit war over it, it used to say pyrrhic victory but also draw for the battle itself, in military terms. See what could be done about fixing this, it's up to you if you want this article corrected, as it was a draw, it took turks many decaded to conquer rest of serbia and balkans. I dont know your language well but I know enough to know what is a loss or a draw! Before making any changes there, agree here first! That article is totally messed up!

svrljig
Your history of Serbia is very funny and false. Holocaust agaist Serbs is worse than one against the Jews. Don't you see that you start this page with slogan "Hang the Serbs on trees" (that was slogans of Croatian nazi Ustasha formation(.

Belgrade tram system
I made a new article, Belgrade tram system. Any help would be appreciated. (LAz17 (talk) 03:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)).

Serbian schools
The article Požarevac Gymnasium is just a stub. If you are familiar with that school, could you please add references and additional information? -- Eastmain (talk) 02:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Cyrillic edittools
Hello everyone. I am currently updating some of the functions in the edit window here in Wikipedia. Below the edit window we have a list of Cyrillic characters, so it should be easier to insert them in articles. That list is currently not complete, so I would need some help from some editors than can read and write Cyrillic. See MediaWiki talk:Edittools.

Oh, and please don't start a discussion about the edittools here on this page, instead come to that page.

--David Göthberg (talk) 00:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

To whom it may concern
I just had a quick browse through the templates at Category:Kosovo templates. An effort appears to have been made to present the issue of ROK recognition in a biased way via these templates. Obviously
 * templates that deal with Kosovo as a whole should not have any emblems of the Republic of Kosovo.
 * templates that deal with the Republic of Kosovo, such as Template:Foreign relations of Kosovo, should not use the term "Kosovo" as synonymous with "Republic of Kosovo". They should be renamed with "Republic of Kosovo" replacing "Kosovo" (e.g. Template:Foreign relations of the Republic of Kosovo) -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 17:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Ethnicity in the Former Balkans
The problem of ethnicity in the Balkans is a very long story pertaining mostly to Hungarian hegemony, Croat hegemony, Serb hegemony and Ottoman hegemony. The actual ethnic problem of the Balkans is very peculiar considering that Austro-Hungary had a very long and open program of Hungarianization of Slavic peoples within the Austro-Hungarian empire. The hegemony coming from Hungary was severe and led to uprisings including the Croatian Ban Yosip Yelachich. The Ottomans pursued a very similar program with the muslims of the Ottoman empire to which George Kastrioti or Skender Bey led rebellions for Albanians, Omer Pasha Latas and Husein Beg Gradeshchevich for the Bosnians and many others. Once the ethnic cleansing conducted by Austro-Hungary in Bosnia's Lika and Dalmatia regions in 1867, Otto Von Bismarck's ethnic cleansing of Bosnia during the Congress of Berlin, Austro-Hungary's decree regarding the use of Bosnian Turkish script (arabic), naming themselves as bosnians, and declaring the naming of the bosnian language illegal, ethnic identity was suppressed for many Bosnians who were forced to declare themselves as Serbs, Croats, or Slovenes. The arrival of Tito and Yugoslavia changed nothing considering that there were more Bosnians in Yugoslavia than there were Slovenes and Macedonians combined, Bosnian national identity was again suppressed. When Tito finally realized that none of the Bosnians were declaring themselves Serbs, Croats, or Slovenes any longer, Tito gave them the name Muslim with a capital M so that they would not be identified with Bosnia.

The names of Bosnia and Croatia are their tribal names that they brought to the Balkans in the 6th century. The spreading of slavs came from what is today's poland and spread eastward and soutward. The Sorbs of Russia are probably the same tribe as the Serbs in Serbia while the Croats have a name similar to the last name of people in Poland, Horwat, and Poles have the last name of Vozniak similar to Bosniak. Bosniak is the ancient name of the national identity of the Bosnians.

Russians, Byelorussians, Ukrainians, Sorbs, Serbs, Slovenes, Croats, Bosnians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Montenegrins, Poles, Czechs, and Slovaks are ethnically the same people divided by hundreds of years of self rule. Unlike the recent Spanish language revolution lead by Spain to unify the Spanish speaking countries, the slavic languages changed individually with no attempt by any of the Slavic countries to unify the language. Although many words are the same today, it is very difficult to understand the languages between each other (divisions of Eastern slavonic, Souther Slavonic, and Western Slavonic understand each other more readily though).

The Serbian Kingdom however was not a real Kingdom until King Stevan Nemanja called the first crowned, sent his brother Savo to separate the Serbian Orthodox Church from the Greek Orthodox Church. Until the Separation, we regard the Serbian entity as residing under the Byzantine empire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.30.46 (talk) 22:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Unification of Serbia, Montenegro, & Macedonia
Ethnically Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians are the same people, Serbs. The Montenegrins and the Macedonians achieved their churches independence from the Serbian orthodox church within the last 150 years. The invention of the Montenegrin nationality was the work of Germany and Otto Von Bismarck during the Congress of Berlin in 1878 when Von Bismarck and the Kingdom of Germany wanted to rid the entire adriatic of Bosnian rule but they didn't want to expand the Serbs to the Sea just yet. The Bosnian cities of Bar, Boka Kotorska, Nikshich, Herceg Novi, Plav, Gusinje, Bijelo Polje, Ivangrad, and most importantly the capital city of Montenegro today Podgorica and others were handed over to the kingdom of Cetinje (a city state like the Republic of Dubrovnik). I'm not sure of the exact date of Separation of the Montenegrin Church from the Serbian church, but I believe that it was in the 19th century while Macedonia's separation was in the 20th century after ww II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.30.46 (talk) 22:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Good lord... Bosnian cities of Bar, Boka Kotorska (!) etc what are you talking about? The Bosnia was created in 1992. while Montenegro exists from 17th century, what the hell those towns and areas have to do with Bosnia? Also the orthodox church in Montenegro and Macedonia is still under the jurisdiction of Serbian patriarchate, there are canonically unrecognized                Montengrin   and  Macedonian  orthodox churches created couple of years ago but they have very small ground in those countries and lack international recognition by other orthodox churches. --Clanedstino (talk) 13:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cultural Property of Great Importance‎‎
Join! Join! WikiProject Cultural Property of Great Importance‎‎. The best presentation of Serbian identity and culture! Tadija (talk) 15:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Kurşum
I'd appreciate it if some of you history writers that don't have a clue stop inventing history or the meanings of certain words. Turkish words can easily be looked up in a Turkish dictionary like Kurşum. Kurşum means lead as the element (Pb) lead. I don't like the fact that some of you are translating Kurşum as meaning white churches. The most probably reason for the naming of the town as Kurşumli is that there is a lead mine somewhere near the town but there could be other reasons.

I know of a town near the Bulgarian border called Bela Crkva and I have never heard of Kurshumliya near Kosovo. But it could be some really small town becuase there are a lot of villages with the exact same name.

nodi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.44.248 (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC) Actually Kuršumlija, the old name White churches ( Bele crkve ) was named after the white, lead covered roofs on two 12.th century churches in the town, when the Turks came they renamed the town after those lead roofs. --Clanedstino (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)