Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sims/Archive 2

Changes
I have done some changes to the projects Article section. The most visable is how i put the list into a wikitable. And I also added The Stories. Save The HumansTalk :) 21:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

various...

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Hey all,

Various things i'd like to help with!


 * 1) Take over the newsletter - i've got a good way of delivery, and a good layout!
 * 2) Revamp the page
 * 3) Revamp templates
 * 4) Look after the assessment of articles!

Please let me know if your all ok with this - I don't want to jump in!

I will begin in ~ 30 mins.

Thanks,

 BG 7   18:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh and also everything to do with the portal - I created P:TUK and P:Derbys.
 * Thanks,
 *  BG 7   18:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Could you be more specific as to what you want to do? The templates and assessments are my area, Save The Humans sorts out the project page and the (very new) newsletter, where as SimpsonsFan08 created and controls the portal. May I also suggest waiting for at least 24 hours? Not every one comes from England, and I only just saw this. Waiting to see what the others think seems best, there is no rush. Oh, and welcome aboard! --23230 talk 18:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've said what I want to do. Oh and who says we need one person on every area? That would be breaking WP:OWN I think. I'll Be Bold and go ahead. If people don't like i'll rv lol.
 *  BG 7   18:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but "revamp" does not say exactly what you are going to do. For example:
 * Which templates need fixing?
 * What is wrong them?
 * How are you going to change them?

I would like to make clear that I have no problem with you taking part in the project, however it is a little rude to suddenly appear and change every thing with little word of warning. I apologise if I sound like I am impairing you, but you said to let you know if we are OK with this, and I am merely saying that the others should have a chance to have their say. Oh, and as to one person on every area, this project is very new, and it needed people to start it before others joined. For example, Save the Humans created this from scratch less than a month ago. When I gave you the list of names, I wasn't implying violation of WP:OWN, I was merely saying they may want to here your ideas for changes --23230 talk 19:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC).
 * Ok, fine.
 * Revamp, make it collapsible, make more sections, make it more like most WP newsletters, make it readble for thos using screen readers.
 * Would be something between WP:LT and WP:Derbys.
 * I would add more params to the assessment temp, aswell as introducing others.
 * Set up the scheme and look after it.
 * Portal:Complete revamp and tidy, rm the portal temp as it's combined with the assessment temp, and various other jobs.
 * Sound okay? I'm off to start.
 *  BG 7   19:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

About the newspaper it would get realy complicated it more than one peroson editing it but on the outreach department page there is a section called Info to add. But i would like some help in delivery. :) Save The HumansTalk :) 00:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You could always make a bot to deliver the newspaper, that's what some newspapers do. Jammy (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to deliver the newsletter. When is it delivered? At th start of the month? Joelster (talk) 21:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... If you look, it's kinda directed at me. And whats the point in programming a bot, when I've already set up AWB to send it out next month.
 * To address other points:
 * Who says we can only have one newsletter editor? WP:LT has 2, me and Unisouth, and it's fine. And how is it a newspaper? It's web based. Also, why do we need a whole departmenet for one thing? Outreach is gnerally getting in new members, not telling current ones what's going on. And if they've signed up to it, then they're gonna be active anyhoo.
 * I really am off to start now, I can see lots of potential cleanup.
 *  BG 7   09:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * actualy the newspaper technicly is open to all members to edit i just put in in what people put down.
 * Yes the newspaper is planed to go out every month
 * its called a newsletter because what else could you call it?
 * the outreach department is the part of a project that usealy send out the newsletter.
 * Save The HumansTalk :) 21:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * HI i noticed most of you havent signed up to the newspaper it is at WikiProject_Sims/Outreach/Newsletter_SubscriptionSave The HumansTalk :) 21:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course there is nothing else that you can call it except a newsletter... but you keep calling it a newspaper!
 * If it's open to all then why did you say it was only you? That's contradicitng yourself.
 * No, the newsletter department is the place that send out the newspaper, and in all fairness we don't need a department for one thing. Energies would be put to better use in an assessment department, stub departmenet etc.
 * People probably haven't signed up because they don't want to - they can't be forced!
 * I really am now off to give the project a serious cleanup.
 *  BG 7   07:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Who cares if it is a newspaper or newsletter
 * You really whant to edit the next issue it is currently at WikiProject Sims/Outreach/2
 * please read the first sentance in WikiProject Council/Newsletters.
 * Save The HumansTalk :) 14:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


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Question
What are the main neighborhoods in TS2? :) Thanks <font color="8B4513" face="comic sans ms" size="2">Save The HumansTalk :) 21:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Strangetown is one of them. But what are we talking? PC, PSP, etc?
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> BG 7   07:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * PC. <font color="8B4513" face="comic sans ms" size="2">Save The HumansTalk :) 14:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok they are Veronaville, Pleasantview and Strangetown... but doesn't it say that in the TS2 article?
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> BG 7   14:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah But what about the addon neighborhoods? <font color="Blue" face="Arial Black" size="2">Save The Humans Review Me :) 17:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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Im on Safari and the userbox background blends in with the link. <font color="Blue" face="Arial Black" size="2"> Little Evil Dog(Talk) 17:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * what about


 * <font color="Brown" face="Arial" size="1"> :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 18:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah its ok but not very simsish. <font color="Blue" face="Arial Black" size="2"> Little Evil Dog(Talk) 18:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What about

<font color="Brown" face="Arial" size="2"> :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 18:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ok<font color="Blue" face="Arial Black" size="2"> Little Evil Dog(Talk) 18:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * change to  on your user page <font color="Brown" face="Arial" size="2"> :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 18:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * thanx. <font color="Blue" face="Arial Black" size="2"> Little Evil Dog(Talk) 18:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


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SimpsonsFan08
If you have seen on the main project page SimpsonsFan08 apears striked out because he has been blocked indefinitly due to having sockpuppets. <font color="Brown" face="Arial" size="2"> :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 20:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Scope Issues
Hmmm... did this go through the WikiProject council? I doubt it would have been approved...

Would me much better to create WikiProject Maxis, and have this as a taskforce. 3 articles, plus a couple of expansion packs? Come on... I though WP:TUK had a small re-mit, but now i've seen this.

Still, as I said above, I will try and help anyway. Oh an RE:Simpsons Fan, I am getting the above oversighted as it's not suitable.

Thanks,

<font face="Gill Sans MT"> BG 7   16:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The requierment for a Wikiproject is 5 user. We have ten. Plus it is NOT required to go through the concil but it is suggested. And so why is this a "Scope Issue"? <font color="Brown" face="Arial" size="2"> :) Save The Humans:) RFA :) 19:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, various things:
 * How many of these users appeared after the project had started?
 * It is good form to go through the council. You yourself have suggested that people start task forces, so why not start WP:Maxis and make the task force? I am afraid that, even though I think The Sims is awesome, it isn't large enough for a whole project.
 * The scope is tiny, compared to lots of projects.
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> BG 7   21:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for jumping in, but I agree with BG7. This should've been a taskforce of WikiProject Video Games. But it's no big deal - what's done is done. Joelster (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think before it's to established it probably is best to either change to WP:Maxis and create this as a task force, or do as Joelster suggests.
 * As we're at WP, we'll wait for consensus rather than having a vote!
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> BG 7   22:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

¿Hablas español
Hello. Some of you May be surprised to know I have just Created a account in Spanish Wikipedia. And I want to start a wikiproject Sims over there. So...Si usted habla español (o sabe cómo usar Google Traductor Eso lo que hago) Le agradecería que.
 * AKA If you speak spanish (or know how to use Google Translator Thats what I do) I would appreciate it.
 * <font face="Arial Black"> <font color="Green" size="2">Trees Rock <font color="Green" size="1">Plant A Tree! 23:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol. I speak Spanish. But do they have WikiProjects there? And is there consensus? And don't use translators. I did this:
 * First String:The big brown dog ran across the road to the pond, but got squashed on the way.
 * Comes out as:El gran perro marrón corrió a través de la carretera a la laguna, pero se aplastados en el camino
 * Which is:The big brown dog ran across the road to the lagoon, but was crushed on the road
 * And the golden rule? Don't trust translators!
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> BG 7   12:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They have Projects over there but There is no consul. <font face="Arial Black"> <font color="GreenYellow" size="2">T <font color="Chartreuse" size="2">r <font color="LawnGreen" size="2">e <font color="Lime" size="2">e <font color="LimeGreen" size="2">s <font color="Lime" size="2">R <font color="LawnGreen" size="2">o <font color="Chartreuse" size="2">c <font color="GreenYellow" size="2">k <font color="PaleGreen" size="1">Pl <font color="PaleGreen" size="1">an <font color="MediumSpringGreen" size="1">t A <font color="SpringGreen" size="1">Tr <font color="MediumSeaGreen" size="1">ee! 15:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And about the translators, That why i need help. lol. <font face="Arial Black"> <font color="GreenYellow" size="2">T <font color="Chartreuse" size="2">r <font color="LawnGreen" size="2">e <font color="Lime" size="2">e <font color="LimeGreen" size="2">s <font color="Lime" size="2">R <font color="LawnGreen" size="2">o <font color="Chartreuse" size="2">c <font color="GreenYellow" size="2">k <font color="PaleGreen" size="1">Pl <font color="PaleGreen" size="1">an <font color="MediumSpringGreen" size="1">t A <font color="SpringGreen" size="1">Tr <font color="MediumSeaGreen" size="1">ee! 15:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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Important Notice
Hello all,

/ has left the project.

I will be taking over as the lead project editor, and as a result it will go offline for approximately one week, before returning as a task force within WikiProject Maxis.

All comments will be appreciated, either here or on my talk.

Thanks,

<font face="Gill Sans MT"> Blue Goblin 7even  20:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Why the name change to Wikiproject Maxis? Jammy (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As discussed above, Sims has a very small scope, indeed one that would not have been allowed had it gone through the council.
 * Maxis is probably pushing it, but at least the scope is bigger!
 * If there is mass opposition, then we will not do it, however it is probably in the project's interests, as it will also bring in more "casual" editors.
 * THanks,
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> Blue Goblin 7even  20:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but what about the controversy that's going on right now that Maxis as a company has disbanded leaving all games to EA Games? Jammy (talk) 20:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea to form a WikiProject Maxis and incorporate WikiProject Sims as a taskforce. They are just like projects, just on a smaller scale. I think it would work better.  .: Alex  :.  16:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


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Goodbye
I haven't been here long, but because of the change, I will be leaving. <em style="font-family:Gill Sans">SimsFan Talk to Me • Sign Here and Get a Thank You Award 09:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

My View
Hello, I have been off-line for a while, however I thought I would come back to see how the project is going. I was surprised and slightly saddened that BlueGoblin had entered and decided to shut down the project, and make ts a much smaller part of a larger project. If you would take the time to look at my views I would be very grateful. I know that I left on the middle of a "discussion"; however I am surprised as to how fast things have moved. I am aware that I suggested this sort of expansion earlier, and the general consensus was to continue as is, or to create a larger Wikiproject Maxis. I can see how this would be a good idea, however I believe this would result in two things:

1. The project being absorbed into a much larger Wikiproject EA

or

2. The resulting arguments over if Maxis exists any more.

As to the latter, there have been a small discussion on this at Talk:Maxis, and the consensus reaches was basically that the studio and workers carry on as normal, however all of their games are sold under the name EA rather than Maxis. The article that the Maxis logo has been mainly removed from the Sims 2, and it is unlikely it will feature in the Sims 3.

As such I put forwards that the Project stay at WP:Sims, however it is expanded to cover all Sim games, not just The Sims, i.e.: SimCity, SimEarth, SimAnt, SimLife, SimFarm, SimRefinery, SimTower, SimHealth, SimIsle, SimTown, SimPark, SimGolf, SimTunes, SimSafari, SimCopter, My Sims and Spore (originally SimEverything). I believe this solution would be best for everyone, with little changes while still expanding the scope. I know this has been discussed before (by me originally) however I believe it should be brought to the fore once more.

Thank you for your time <font face="Century Gothic" size="3">23230 <font face="Century Gothic">talk 18:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There was a WikiProject EA Games, but needless to say, it didn't last long. But the series was created by Maxis, so the scope could be increased to include it. If games are still made by Maxis, they belong to Maxis, no matter what is on the box. Still, I think I too suggested increasing the scope to encompass all Sim games. This would be the most effective solution.  .: Alex  :.  17:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the project be left alone and just have the scope updated. <font face="Gill Sans MT" size="2"><font color = "Gold">Electrical <font color = "Gold">Experiment  23:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

merge Template:The Sims series · Template:Sim series
why should we have
 * Sims series
 * And


 * <font face="Gill Sans MT" size="2"><font color = "Gold">Electrical <font color = "Gold">Experiment  00:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * They are different for a reason. The Sims Series shows only the games from The Sims series. Whilst Sims Series shows any game with Sims in the title. Jammy (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ok  Electrical  Experiment  20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Newspaper
Whos in charge of the newspaper? How Can I Help with it?  Electrical  Experiment  23:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Electrical,
 * I am running it now! It will be changing format, so if you can code you can do that, and if not you can send me stuff to put in it!
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> Blue Goblin 7even  23:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Im a 15 year old with a myspace I Can code.:) But did you change the url of the june letter because Ive looked at it and its been left in ruins. and who is trees rock Hes not even on the participants list.  Electrical  Experiment  23:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Treesrock was the original editor, but he retired and then got blocked as a sockpupetteer. I took over the project.
 * Have a go coding the June Issue if you want!
 * <font face="Gill Sans MT"> Blue Goblin 7even  23:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why isnt he on the inactive list.  Electrical  Experiment  23:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He removed himself and i cba to put him back on. <font face="Gill Sans MT"> Blue Goblin 7even  23:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Whats a CBA?  Electrical  Experiment  23:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't Be Asked (or Arsed) <font face="Gill Sans MT"> Blue Goblin 7even  23:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wel any way do you think the font Should be changed to Comic San Lucas to be more Simish?  Electrical  Experiment  00:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed it.  Electrical  Experiment  00:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ribbon
I Created this Ribbon to go along with the SimStar.
 * [[Image:SIms 2 Ribbon.png|120px]]
 *  Electrical  Experiment  23:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
I think it is time to start archivong this page.  Electrical  Experiment  00:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * I agree, this page is becoming too long. We can remove most of the discussion on the logo, the SimStar and the user box, as they have all been resolved. By the way, I like your new ribbon! --<font face="Century Gothic" size="3">23230 <font face="Century Gothic">talk 09:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I archived all april discussions and about the ribbon thanks.  Electrical  Experiment  23:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I archived all april discussions and about the ribbon thanks.  Electrical  Experiment  23:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Various - IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ!!!
Hello all members,

Following all your comments, I would like to propose the following:


 * 1) We create WikiProject Maxis, and have The Sims as a task force. I would be up for just scope enlargenment, but pretty much all of Maxis's games are Sims related, it would be better, and be more to WP liking to have WP:MAXIS.
 * 2) We take the project offline for a few weeks, to enable use to revamp it. This will also tie in with whatever we decide to do with it.
 * 3) I would also like to do the following:
 * a). Revamp the portal
 * b). Revamp the newsletter (i've discussed this with some users)
 * c). Create a proper article assessment scheme, rather than just tagging articles.

And any more you can think of!!!

Thanks,

<font face="Gill Sans MT"> Blue Goblin 7even  09:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was reluctant at first, but whatever. I'm fan of Maxis games, way back to the first SimCity, but I don't necessarily want to obsess over articles about all their games (just The Sims games).  But I beg to differ on your first point: most of Maxis games are not Sims related.  Most of their recent titles are, but SimCity only had Sims as residents of their cities, but they weren't player-controlled avatars as they are in The Sims.


 * Despite the widening of the scope of the project, if the project has any members left after it's changed, I think the majority of people will only contribute to The Sims articles. That's why this project got so many participants in the first place. &mdash; Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, to take your points:
 * Just because WikiProjects have a large scope, DOES NOT MEAN that editors have to edit there, thus the use of taskforces.
 * That's what I mean. They all involve Sims some way or another.
 * 10? That's a lot is it? I should say if this project has any left after they've all retired or been blocked. As far as i'm aware only about 1 has actually "left". One who announced leaving was a WP:SOCK of a user already on there. <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   17:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No offense though, but Wikiproject Sims sounds better than Wikiproject Maxis. Wikiproject Sims even has more of a meaning to it. Jammy (talk) 17:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree totally. In fact, those of you who have keen eyes may have noticed that all day I have been making it WikiProject Sims, for all Sims related games, not Maxis. Oh and have a look at user:Bluegoblin7/Sandbox7 for a view of the future (still under construction you understand!) <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   18:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Newsletter dosnt need a new format. Sincerely,  Electrical  Experiment  22:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. For people using Screen Readers (i.e. people who cannot or are unable to read the screen without a software programme reading it to them) it is impossible to read! And i'd prefer it if you didn't re-create/undelete pages when i'm revamping the project - they're not needed! Thanks, <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   12:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)c
 * Well It was set to go out yesterday why cant we start with the new format next issue? Sincerely,  Electrical  Experiment  13:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it looks shoddt if that's done. I've reverted all the posts. Please, bare with me on this. If you want to help, please tag articles with WPSims. Thanks, <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   13:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a question. Who put you in charge? Sincerely,  Electrical  Experiment  13:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Noone did - but i'm taking the lead by making headways. Trust me - this is best for the WHOLE WikiProject. Pretty much everything in the newsletter is against policy! See WikiProject London Transport/The Metropolitan for one that's compatible with screen readers, and also one that has proper content in it! <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   13:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes the content can be disputed but the format is standard format. Sincerely,  Electrical  Experiment  13:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Either way, it still shouldn't come out yet! Can we take this to our talk, as it doesn't relate to the project. Thanks, <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   13:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

VOTE
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There Should be a vot on this so. As I said, I have agreed that a project scope widening is a better way forward, therefore a vote is unecesary. We are WP:Sims, to cover anything involving Sims, whether it be EA, Maxis or anyone else. <font face="Gill Sans MT"> B G  7even   12:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:Sims
 * 1)  Electrical  Experiment  19:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Jammy (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to WP:MAXIS


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