Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singapore/2006 archive

Farewell Miborovsky
Miborovsky has left Wikipedia for good I suppose, it is a sad departure of him leaving so sudden. A great loss of a great SGpedian. --Terence Ong Talk 09:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

He's come back to vote on the arbcom elections; hope he stays around. Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant  (Be eudaimonic!) 08:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Voting for the ArbComm is the least I should have done. Actually, it isn't as serious as you guys all made it out to be, it was just a WikiVacation of indeterminate duration to let me cool off (and do something about my disastrous GPA). Well, been monitoring the ArbComm elections, and... certain people I'd rather see... gone/deposed... are now off the ArbComm at least. Been doing some minor edits, and helping with a page that a fellow SJW2 enthusiast got on PR and eventually (hopefully) FAC. Semester finals coming up, and gotta write an application for a summer programme at MIT... be back in Feb, if mass-scale revolution has not already taken place. Cheers. -- Миборовский U 05:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Meetup
I know it is too early to talk about it now, as school has just started for most of us. Is anyone interested in a March holiday meetup? Suggestions please? Thank you. --Terence Ong Talk 10:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Can't do it for a while. Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant  (Be eudaimonic!) 08:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * March wouldn't be a great a time, perhaps June; school just started for tiertiary students. Slivester 06:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm going to suggest July 22 (Saturday), because Jimbo will be in town! NSL E (T+C) 07:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

NSLE	oh, jwales, we're thinking of an SGpedian meetup, so if you're coming any time this year let us know jwales	NSLE: July 20-21 jwales	NSLE: i'll stay more days than that


 * Great! How about bringing Jimbo to Jumbo Seafood to try the Jumbo Sri Lankan Crab? --Vsion (talk) 09:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha...but July is sooooo long from now...--Huaiwei 12:15, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I no money leh. Haha --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 02:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmh? I tot it's Jimbo's treat, ... not meh? --Vsion (talk) 07:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * lol! Anyway I would love for an earlier meet amongst some of us first lah. Dont want any embarrasing moments infront of a visitor. :D--Huaiwei 13:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea, maybe where we can have a drink or something. Casual one lah. Dunno whether Jimbo paying or not. I hope we can get at least 15. Maybe gettng Angela to come may be easier. Maybe we should bring Jimbo to a hawker centre, seafood looks too common. :D --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 14:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * See main meetup page and discussion here.

Great resource!
Just added this to both the Singapore and the noticeboard external link resources - this is quite awesome as it details out every perspective of Singapore's planning, from hydroponics in Singapore, to oil refining, to every little bit of specialised geographic info. This is quite valuable. I'm about to create a stub regional centre (Singapore) from this information (my primary school textbook was too vague, LOL). Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant  (Be eudaimonic!) 08:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Culture of Singapore wars
So User:Vsion and I have been engaging in a low-intensity edit war over at Culture of Singapore, debating two issues: As the two of us aren't getting very far I'd like to solicit some alternative opinions, please chip in at Talk:Culture of Singapore. Jpatokal 14:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Whether any mention of porn star Annabel Chong is permissible
 * 2) Whether any mention of Singapore's strict control over media, vetting of theater plays, censorship of movies etc etc is permissible

Singapore Userbox
Hi SGpedians', you may like to add this userbox to your userpage which includes this category.

User Singapore

--Terence Ong 06:28, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you bro. Slivestré Nuenenorl ¦ Pagefront ¦ Photo Archive ¦ Discussion ¦ Contributions ¦ Email ¦ 03:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

IRC Channel down
Hi,guys.The IRC channel is down because of an accidental setting.Terence Ong is new to IRC,so I shan't blame him for that.But I must apologise for not asking:How any of you use IRC?

10:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) NSLE I know that...he does use it... This was written by tdxiang.
 * 2) NatalinasmpfShe did use it...
 * 3) Tan Ding XiangI do use it...
 * 4) Terence Ong uses it...that I know too!

Terence,I forgive you.But now,shall we start a new Channel? Tan DX 10:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe we should. And this time round perhaps you find it better to host it under GalaxyNet. Slivestré Nuenenorl ¦ Pagefront ¦ Photo Archive ¦ Discussion ¦ Contributions ¦ Email ¦ 03:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Back to normal now...Tan DX 09:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Invite-only was turned on. NSL E (T+C) 09:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion for SGCOTF
Hi, I have some suggestions for changes in the procedure for Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight. Please visit Wikipedia talk:SGpedians' notice board/SGCOTF and leave your comments. Thanks. --Vsion 02:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

announcement
Zscout370 is going to run a script changing all mentions of the previous SG flag image to the SVG one, so don't be alarmed. It will run as Zbot370. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 02:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Automated entry for Portal:Malaysia and Portal:Singapore?
Hey, I notice that Portal:Malaysia and Portal:Singapore are being neglected but Current events in Malaysia and Singapore is being actively updated. Is there a way to automatically do an update for news on each portal and then send in those news to Current events in Malaysia and Singapore automatically? Like, doing the entry just once instead of having to do it twice (i.e. once at the portal and another at Current events in Malaysia and Singapore)? If we could, then those portals wouldn't be too inactive. __earth (Talk) 10:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Er I dont think wikipedia is that smart :D--Huaiwei 15:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ja. but is there a script for it? __earth (Talk) 03:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Cineplexes and other Singapore related articles
Orchard Cineplex, Lido 8 Cineplex, Yishun 10 have articles created and they are just only a multiplex. I don't see a big thing of having multiplexes of articles on their own. Could we put this under a section of the main building. This is created by a new user, User:Mingshu. Don't want to bite newbies, but I dunno why SG articles can be of such standards. Also look at Shaw Organization and Eng Wah Organization. Unwikified, I feel ashamed that SG articles are of low standards. As time goes, I think Goh Chi Lan should be nominated for AFD, as her article on Wikipedia looks not notable enough for an encyclopedia. --Terence Ong 16:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit warring
I would just like to warn everyone here that our best friend has recently began bringing his edit warring into a page as innocent as Ang Mo Kio, insisting on adding languages to romanisised script when none is actually neccesary. This action will have affected plenty of other pages related to Singaporean places, and I asked him to discuss this with the community before insisting on changing a template, which he chose not to but decided to revert instead. I hereby request community action to deal with the issue at hand. Thanks!--Huaiwei 18:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It was not me who first added them. I was only restoring what I don't think should be deleted. &mdash; Instantnood 18:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Which constitutes a revert. This is the upteempth time (third time in the past week alone?) you need a reminder that non-original contributors are not immune from legislation against revert warring and any other destructive behavior on wikipedia.--Huaiwei 19:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes.. but the picture you've given to the audience is that I was the person adding them: " ..insisting on adding languages.. ". &mdash; Instantnood 19:08, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And what difference does that make? Someone added them. I removed them. You added them again. I removed them. And you added them a second time, which implies you insisted on adding them. As I said, I do not have time for technicalities, and you might be glad to know this page dosent have much room for this kind of nonsense.--Huaiwei 19:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you don't care much about accuracy and clarity, but I do. What I did was only to clarify what you've said. I'm not interested in your response to the clarification. Thank you. &mdash; Instantnood 19:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Which is truly ironic. If you care so much about accuracy and clarity, how is it possible for you to be disinterested in people's attempts to clarify anything at the same time?--Huaiwei 19:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Instantnood, it is implied that the pinyin is referring to the Mandarin. Use a pipe for "Mandarin pinyin" perhaps, without using ugly parentheses. Given other cases of romanisation, the context in which pinyin is used should be self-evident. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 20:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

See also Talk:Ang Mo Kio.--Huaiwei 05:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight
Collaboration in Wikipedia is fun! Is there an article that you feel is important but has been neglected? You can nominate it for the Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight so that the SGpedian community can work together to expand and improve it. Please visit the SGCOTF page and nominate as many articles as you wish because the more choices the better. The rule has been changed so that nominations will not expired. And of course, don't forget to vote for the articles you are interested in and participate in the SGCOTF teamwork. Enjoy! --Vsion 12:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Consolidation of Primary & Secondary School articles
I see a need to consolidate all of the short primary and secondary school articles. We can perhaps leave some of the more detailed or notable ones untouch, but on the whole, there is definitely a need. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 06:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do you see this need? I do not see what is in common between them besides being Primary schools for instance.--Huaiwei 08:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Individual articles while we have a clear lack of information regarding each schools. Thus, until when we can introduce more information, all those stubs can only result with confusion. It will be great if we centralise all Primary & Secondary school articles into one, and branches out to the cluster zones, then individual schools. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 09:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I would disagree that stubs contribute to "confusion". How does that happen, and any examples to cite? That they are stubs just calls for us to improve on them. Trying to go the opposite direction kills the incentive for improvement.--Huaiwei 09:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This issue has been discussed extensively in AfDs before, the arguments of all sides are presented in Schools/Arguments. The AfDs of schools in the last few months now show overwhelming support to keep school articles as separate; schools are no longer deleted or merged. See for example Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive/2005 and Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive for a tally of these AfDs results. Of course, if it is a one-liner sub-stub, unverifiable, or attack article, then that article can be speedy delete. --Vsion 09:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * However, I like to add that verification is becoming a problem. The article Overseas Family School makes some strong claims, but I'm not familar to deal with it. Can anyone help? --Vsion 09:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I will look into it, no problem. --Terence Ong 09:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not exactly talking about shifting and merging all articles related to Primary & secondary school, but to consolidate all those extreme stub-cases based on their cluster zones, such as N5 cluster with Marsiling secondary school and so on, if the article itself is too subjective to be incorporated into a single, individual article. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 12:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I see; I found this list of clusters, their superintendents, and schools here. Yes, it makes sense to have articles for this level of administration. --Vsion 18:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what I am trying to bring to you guys attention: Consolidate *some* of the stub articles, though I am not saying that we should be deleting them. So in a sense, for instance, the N5 Cluster Zone article will pay reference to the schools under it, a brief introductory note, their principals, their superintendents, their cluster activites; cluster activities include those annual TAF Carnivals, where Trim & Fit programme students are gathered to challenge in all sort of sporting events against other schools within the cluster zones; Cultural Appreciation Festive or relevant and so on. Sometimes these clusters might even organise cluster against cluster events, where the top performing students of each cluster is sent for competition against top preforming students of other cluster. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 01:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Dublicate!
Isnt the newly-created Otah a dubliate of Otak-otak? :D--Huaiwei 03:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Otak-otak is about the Malaysia's otah, and the Otah article is about Singapore's article. I will put the tags to request it for merging. The proposed new name should be called otah. --Terence Ong 04:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore Science Centre
Our friend User:Instantnood has attempted to remove the phrase "world-acclaimed" from the above article. His "crony", User:Novacatz, has similarly came into the picture and twiced attempted to remove it by calling it a Peacock term  despite repeated warnings that there is verificability in the above phrase   .Feel free to come to the above article's talk page to comment where neccesary.--Huaiwei 09:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Sentosa is Sgcotf!
Hi guys, Sentosa has been selected as the Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight, a perfect article for this festive season. Please join-in and contribute, or leave suggestions at Talk:Sentosa.

And dont' forget to vote for the next SGCOTF and nominate more articles for cooperative editing. Thank you. --Vsion 04:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy Chinese New Year
To everyone who celebrates it (and even if you don't, enjoy the holidays!), 新年快乐，万事如意，恭喜发财！ NSL E (T+C) 恭喜发财 everyone! 07:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wish everyone 年年有魚/餘; "be blessed every year"! --Vsion 11:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * My wishes to everyone too. 恭喜发财，万事如意，年年有鱼，新年快乐. For students, 学业进步. Wish all of you a happy and prosperous new year. --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 13:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

use of adjectives
Well, I have to bring this up again. I notice we keep using a lot of adjectives for new articles, ie. something is pleasant, refined, well-landscaped, expansive, extensive, etc....it tells opinion, but doesn't tell the reader much. So, one could put it, "it was the intent of the designers", or use numbers, "the park is 14 hectares large"...we could use estimates if we want to. Especially if we physically went there and took photos, surely we can estimate the amount of space, right? :D So we have two alternatives to present such a statement, and they are more informative then "such and such building is massive/pleasant", because we replace opinion with facts. If we have no statistics, we can roughly estimate it ourselves. (We were physically there anyway, and thus photos prove that it isn't OR.) :DElle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 06:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Goal for August 9th
I propose this....it's time Singapore got onto the FAC road, so I think after we do Sentosa (and this is a long-term goal), let's aim to make it FAC sometime before August 9th, then nominate it for main page by August 9th. How's that? ;-)

Some priorities:


 * Culture section getting bloated. We should also remember to exchange information between articles and subarticles now and then.
 * Clean up demographics
 * Trim sections

Then we should be well on our way.

Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 06:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks good. Trimming the sections is one thing needed. Our subarticles needs serious attention. Do look at the Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight for those who don't know yet. But will it pass FAC after improving the article. That's one thing I'm sceptical about. =) --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 06:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Singapore is certainly the top priority. Also it is good for morale. Do we have to wait that long? Please don't let SGCOTF be an obstacle because it is relatively low intensity compared to FAC, and we can suspend SGCOTF if necessary. I believe we have a very good chance this time. :D, Is there any schedule you have in mind for this FAC, like when do you like to submit it? --Vsion 07:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Election advertising
Just to bring to your notice, Yawning Bread wrote an article about election advertising on the Internet being illegal. I'm still trying to understand it and the consequences. Is there any other references or comments on this matter or related issues? --Vsion 22:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Meh, I would purposely publish commentary on my user page out of pure spite. Hmph! :D Till more information is gained however, I am not sure about how an article about this should go about. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 20:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Aerial dogfights
If some of you remember the past disputes over content standardisation in Singapore Airlines, Singapore Changi Airport, and attempts to delete articles such as Singapore Airlines fleet recently (so far, two articles have been deleted), the same few individuals are now taking issue with Singapore Airlines destinations. I seriously problems understanding why these individuals would insist removing data for the sake of presentation consistency is a positive move as far as wikipedia is concerned?--Huaiwei 12:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Blank map of Singapore
Is a copy of the blank outline map of Singapore, as used in and lots of other maps, available somewhere in SVG or some other vector-based format? The closest I could find is, but it's only a giant PNG and it has some districts marked off too. Jpatokal 16:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Great you asked. The maps created are with the hard work of Vsion, although he seems to be using some cheem program normal earthlings like myself will probably never comprehend. :D I have been thinking long and hard on drawing a very detailed map of Singapore using Adobe Illustrator, which should make editing relatively easier for all. Any tots and suggestions, anyone?--Huaiwei 16:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I also have problems using that "cheem program", and I've to relearn it every time i try to use it, so I won't recommend it to you guys :). I also couldn't find any vector-based format of singapore map, it would certainly be nice to have it. The data I have maybe can convert to SVG after some hacking, but this will take some time (weeks or months). Hopefully someone has or find other alternative resources. If not, I can try to convert mine to SVG, but the quality won't be nice as you can see from the example, just ok for locator maps. --Vsion (talk) 05:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha is it. Hmm...so about all of us help to draw a single high-resolution vector-based map, saved in the .ai format, and which will come with multiple layers for all kinds of details? The only major problem I have encountered so far is the maximum file size limit, which is 16383 X 16383 pixels in size. I did the estimations, and it means the entire Singapore map has to be smaller than 1:10000 scale (the old street directory, ie the pre-"mighty minds" ones, is 1:7500, while the master plan of Singapore by the URA is 1:5000). This is a tad smaller than my desired size, and the other program I know which meets this requirement is CorelDRAW. Other than that, I have found sources for detailed land-use zoning maps (the Master Plan of coz), building outline maps, and yes...I am even considering colour-zoning roads based on the number of lanes!! :D--Huaiwei 06:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ha, managed to get one hacked, mainland only, haven't add islands, reservoirs, and JB. So the resolution of my data is as the image shown on the right, slightly smaller than 5000x3000 pixels, not good enough for street maps. Is this useful to you or anyone? --Vsion (talk) 08:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry Vsion, but I don't think it will be of good use currently, maybe in the future. Why can't we have the maps in PNG format? Is there a reason for it, cos I'm confused with these two formats. --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 08:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There are advantages to it being used for web pages and maps. See Scalable Vector Graphics. One of them is adding remarks in the image at specific locations (if I saw some examples correctly) without having to modify the image itself. It's perfect for streep maps. As well as more efficient scaling. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 23:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it just me? Or have you guys also noticed that the "diamond" shape of Singapore island is now gone? hmmm .... --Vsion (talk) 12:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The diamond is growing limbs. LoL --Sengkang 15:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I woke up one day to discover that I don't recognize my country anymore! :-0 The island now looks like a sweet potato to me. While it is not as aesthetic as the diamond, and I do miss the diamond shape, it however reminds me how my grandparents survived WW2 on a kantang diet. :D Btw, I brought this up because the article Singapore still describes the mainland as diamond-shaped, but I don't have the heart to replace it with kantang though ;) --Vsion (talk) 13:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Huaiwei blocked for no reason????
This is kind of ridiculous, or rubbish. Huaiwei blocked (by Wgfinley) for this reason "Continued edit warring and disruption in violation of parole after prior blocks". When I looked at his contributions, I saw nothing like that. Could an admin unblock him as this is false. Thanks. --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 13:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've emailed him now. His blocked expired but he isn't back yet since 8 Feb. Hopefully not a WP:MW. - Mailer Diablo 01:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

This is fallout from an arbitration case. NSL E (T+C) at 02:42 UTC (2006-02-26)


 * Three weeks has passed and still no edits, has been listed at WP:MW. --Ter e nce Ong 11:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

government of Singapore - I think I know the problem
The reason why it's developing so slowly is that we're treating the article like the executive branch. We should realise that this shoudl be the article that covers both legislative, executive and probably the judicial branches. Again, politics of Singapore should describe the political atmosphere of Singapore, and basically how things work de facto; government of Singapore should explain how things work de jure. Agreed? Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 00:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely agree. We need to explain things work and so on. --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 01:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot of information that's not that obvious about how the country is run....statutes might be a good source, that we haven't tapped into however. It basically tells us how things are regulated, which would be useful. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 21:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I generally agree, there is already some content in politics of Singapore, should we move some of the content over first? I'm also abit confused, because in the article Her Majesty's Government, it says that :In British usage, Parliament and the Courts are not considered to be part of the 'Government', should we ignore this view? I would prefer them in "Government" according to local usage, as there is not much "politics" in Singapore anyway ;). How about a SGCOTF nomination for Government of Singapore? --Vsion (talk) 03:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Meetup update
Hello SGpedians, six SGpedians' including myself have interest in the meetup. Please see details on the meetup page. Thanks. --Ter e nce Ong 08:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Not Singapore-related but affect Singaporeans
I was not sure where this is supposed to go but I can keep silent no more. This is not really a Singapore-related article, but I urge you to give your comments about this issue. If anyone of you have been noticing this entry, you will know that I have been trying to defend Singapore's case in their ban against Singaporeans. They made their termination message available only to Singaporeans after international viewers was alerted to it, and removed it entirely shortly after I posted a printscreen of their termination message. Thing is, is a removed screenshot considered verifiable content? May I ask what course of action should I be taking?

Thanks for any help.

Darklord of the Sith Daniel Lim 01:32, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I remember reading about the putfile's ban in an online news report. If I can find that link, that would be another verifable source concerning the ban. --Vsion (talk) 01:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * What's there to defend? Wikipedia is not a battleground for people to debate whether the hanging is justified. -- Миборовский U 09:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I do sincerely doubt what putfile can really put in place with such an atrocious act - against the Asian society that is so conservative to execute a person by hanging? You are not destroying the entire ant population on earth by killing an ant, just as well as banning a nation that implements execution via hanging does not entirely means other nations will cease to use such method, nor will it ever much affects Singapore. I don't even know putfile exist until the ban was announce, haha. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 23:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

images on CHIJMES
I have proposed whether to resize/re-align the images on CHIJMES. Please see my reason for proposing so, and give your views at the article's talk age. &mdash; Kimchi.sg | Talk 13:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for writeups
Hi all, I'm currently creating the individual bus interchange/terminal pages and including the routes. Will like to request for writeups and photos if possible, and help to expand the articles. Will be adding the list here later. Many thanks!! Jinhua 05:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. --Ter e nce Ong 05:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can keep the background-color for SMRT Buses as lightgray instead of red - that is the color used for its bus stop plates and the primary color on its bus livery. Red can be very jarring to the eyes. Jinhua 07:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I see, but to me light grey is more like white. Maybe we should use the comapny's livery, looks better. :D --Ter e nce Ong 13:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Verification needed for article Eliyathamby
Hi guys, I've come across an article recently which is a biography of an apparently notable Singaporean, Eliyathamby. I have been unable to verify any of the information in the article, and was hoping some actual Singaporean editors might be able to look at the article, clean it up, and confirm or deny the facts stated therein. In particular, any dates such as birth and death dates. See the talk page for my comments and questions on the article. Thanks to anyone who can help. Regards, Canley 08:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day
I'm proposing a chat day every month, and this month will be on 10 March, which also is one year after our board was created. Any suggestions and comments about the chat day? Do come and join to have hours of chatting. --Ter e nce Ong 10:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat on MSN

 * 1) Ter e nce Ong 10:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) User:Miborovsky (UTC -8)

Chat on IRC

 * 1) Ter e nce Ong 10:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Mailer Diablo 13:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Sengkang 13:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC) (only if free from work obligations)
 * 4) NSL E (T+C) at 14:26 UTC (2006-03-06)
 * 5) Tdxi  a  ng  陈 鼎 翔  (Talk)  Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Vsion 15:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC) (will drop-by for a while to chat, unfortunately I got an important assignment the next day)
 * 7) b3virq3b 01:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Channel?

 * . For any issues, see the operators, Tdxiang and B3virq3b.
 * . This is Terence's IRC channel, do drop by at my channel too. :) --Ter e nce Ong 09:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * . This is Tdxiang's IRC Channel, for support, you can access this channel.-- Tdxi a  ng  陈 鼎 翔  (Talk)  Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 07:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Details
Chat time starts at 1600 (GMT +8) and can end up to 0300 (GMT +8) the next day. Of course, I won't be staying up until three in the morning, but you all may continue. Times may be flexible though. We may have more chat days if you wish. --Ter e nce Ong 14:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Umm...how about Saturday?-- Tdxi a  ng  陈 鼎 翔  (Talk)  Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Chat Day has started, isn't anyone going to talk there? --Ter e nce Ong 08:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry I missed it! Was out somewhere. -- Миборовский U 06:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I missed also, due to a meeting with Zhou Gong, when is the next one? --Vsion 02:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Migrating/Living in Singapore
We should probably embark on a sub-article within Singapore to highlight the procedures and details of migrating or living in Singapore. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 00:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No, we shouldn't, because Wikipedia is not a travel guide. (Wikitravel, on the other hand, is and already has some basics about visas, PR and whatnot.) Jpatokal 10:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I specifically says "Migrating", I am not saying living in Singapore for a humbly short period of time. Read through. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 02:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, actually you said "migrating or living". However, neither is an encyclopedic topic and Wikipedia is not meant for step-by-step instructions for applying for PR or whatever. Jpatokal 15:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Again, you have misinterpreted. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 14:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * How about an article on Immigration in Singapore? Certainly a relevant sub-topic of Demographics of Singapore, we can start a section under the Demographics article first to see how it expands. This will not be just policy and procedures, but also discusses the rationale, issues, impact, statistics, culture, economic growth, etc. --Vsion 02:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeap, thats what I intended, it sounds pretty great to see articles that relates to the nature of migrating to Singapore :). There are a couple of articles dedicated for other nations currently, just that, they are just as vague in detail. Slivestré ¦ Pfrt ¦ PAve ¦ Dcn ¦ Cntn ¦ Ei ¦ 02:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I would be fine with Immigration to Singapore (or where do you immigrate inside it?), but again, the focus must be encyclopedic. Jpatokal 15:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day and Party
Well every Fridays and Saturdays will be a Chat Day on the Singapore IRC channel. Do join in have lots of fun. --Ter e nce Ong 07:19, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Unify the information & link on Category:Singapore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Singapore - All singapore related articles are currently not proper arranged or link-up. Seem like all S'pore related information/lists are scuttle everywhere in wiki, some info should be merge first, everyone should tried to compact the information in some way instead of allocation first. More confusion for novice users.

Fernvale 05:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day, Online Meetup
I am proposing a Chat Day for SGpedians' fortnightly on either Fridays or Saturdays (or both). We will have a voting with a concensus when to have it and where i.e. MSN or IRC. We will have monthly meetings to discuss about Singapore-related articles, SGpedian activities, casual chat, photography, Wikipedians etc. It is recommended that all active SGpedians' come from every chat day and meeting. --Ter e nce Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Where's everyone?? We always cannot have a proper chat day. :( --Ter e nce Ong 12:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe no one wants to go online or that they are busy... oh well...-- 陈 鼎  翔    贡献  Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 08:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, when I'm on the SG IRC channel nobody else is! Man what a letdown. I don't even like IRC, and I made an effort to use it and connect to you guys... hmmph. Anyway, will probably be busy these few weeks, Advanced Placement tests and then SAT IIs... -- Миборовский U 07:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Aye

 * --Ter e nce Ong 10:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

7 April

 * --Ter e nce Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

8 April

 * --Ter e nce Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat on MSN

 * --Ter e nce Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Chat on IRC

 * --Ter e nce Ong 12:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Channel

 * The Singapore IRC channel; Main operator is Tdxiang.

Simple English Wikipedia
We should help out in Simple English Wikipedia. The articles there are in poor condition. Who wants to join? I have.-- 陈 鼎  翔    贡献  Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 07:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Tdxiang.
 * Comment, we should help out English Wikipedia first. I am not good at writing in Simple English. :( --Ter e nce Ong 08:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

planned template
Apparently soon we need a "constituencies of Singapore" template (I have a nice article that I moved to go along too &mdash constituencies of Singapore!) A map would be nice, too! Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 15:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, will be doing that soon. P.S. I was also thinking of that as well. :P --Ter e nce Ong 12:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Places in Singapore
Hello. I started editing Wikipedia recently, and am interested in writing up on places in Singapore. I noticed that there is a project for this, but it seems to have been dead for some time now. That project also seems to focus on `broad locations' like Ang Mo Kio and Yishun, rather than specific places like buildings, which I'd be more interested in.

Would anyone be interested in reviving the project? I'd love to have some help with this, since I don't know much yet, am doing this to learn actually. Also, for small locations, I'm thinking of including external links to the streetdirectory.com maps, what do you all think?

AlephNull 10:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Not a good idea to link streetdirectory.com maps. We do have users making maps, that's not a problem. Just that most of us are busy now. Sure, go ahead! Be bold! Do create a user page for yourself for a brief description of you (people will like to know some background :P). We do have building articles such as National Monuments, some malls, hotels, major commercial buildings. Its not yet time to start our WikiProject yet. We can start a WikiProject on WikiProject Singaporean buildings etc. --Ter e nce Ong 10:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Chat Day
Where's everyone? Chat day has started. Eleventh hour spamming not good enough? A notice has been posted there for more than a week. --Ter e nce Ong 12:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Improvement drive for SEA
The article History of Southeast Asia is currently a candidate for Article Improvement Drive. You can support the nomination with your vote there. __earth (Talk) 17:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Shameless self-promotion
Herrrrro Singaporean compatriots!

In the unlikely scenario that some of you might actually know anything about or care anything about China (I know Natalina does so this doesn't apply to her :D ), the Military history WikiProject has just established the Chinese military history task force, and interested editors can hop over there and take a look. It's much more fun than writing Wikipedia articles about that char siew rice stall from your local food court... Just a thought. :p -- Миборовский U 07:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Singlish (lorh!)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages

Comments welcome. =) -- ran (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I vote support :D. Hmm ... if it is created, does it mean we can talk-cock there? ... or write-cock? --Vsion 04:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course. -- Миборовский U 08:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note I have opposed the suggestion, cheers. NSL E (T+C) at 09:47 UTC (2006-05-29)
 * Yeah, my support for a Singlish Wiki is rather weak. The reason is how can we write in Singlish, lah, lor, ya, or not and all the slangs. And with few active SGpedians', it will take a long time to have decent encyclopaedic articles. We just need to "translate" it to Singlish by rephrasing it. Our proper English standards will deteoriate slowly with us writing proper English sentences Singlish style. Since the government is trying to reduce the use of Singlish, this idea is not very good after all. --Ter e nce Ong 12:23, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * To address Terence's legitimate concern, I would suggest banning any Sgpedians who have not pass their A-level General Paper from editing in the singlish-wikipedia; this restriction is solely for their own sake (and also not to sabo our dear govt's SGEM project). For the rest who have already passed their A-level (or Poly's diploma, or equivalence) and for non-Singaporeans, they shall not be deprived of the joy of editing in Singlish, lor. --Vsion 08:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Meh, that sounds so nanny state. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 14:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The difference is the mitigation of complex words and allowing for more informal expression. Singlish is a creole, so it's not just direct translation. Speaking another language doesn't make one's grasp of languages he or she has already learned deteroriate, as long as the concept that they are separate languages is kept - separate. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 17:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem here is that there is no conventional writing form of Singlish, except to use broken English and SMS texting language. NSL E (T+C) at 10:27 UTC (2006-05-30)


 * There can be many forms of translations, as with any other idiom from language to language (in our case, a creole). Elle vécut heureuse  à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 14:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new. Why not create Wikiproject Singapore?
Hello! User:Vsion referred me here to the SGpedian's notice board, so here I am!

I'm a 14-year-old boy, from Singapore (duh). My friends consider me intelligent, but weird, and with an interesting sense of humour. My passions are computers, creative writing and chess. No wonder I like editing Wikipedia - it's to do with computers and creative writing!

On Wikipedia, I mostly contribute information to articles about computers/websites and Singapore TV shows/movies. I also regularly participate in discussions about Wikipedia. I created the WP:RFF initiative, where new editors can get feedback on their articles/edits that will hopefully help them improve their editing skills. I wrote the Google Groups and Homerun articles. I am currently seeking feedback on them at Requests for feedback. I'm still a relatively inexperienced editor, having joined on February 2006, and still struggle with policy and markup often. (see link at bottom)

I am surprised that there is no WikiProject Singapore. I think we should create one, as many Singapore articles lack standards. We currently have the Singapore Collaboration of the Week, and could integrate it into the WikiProject.

I would be a willing and enthusiastic participant in this project. I am a huge fan of Jack Neo movies (remember, I wrote Homerun). I could write the currently non-existent articles The Best Bet, I Do I Do and One More Chance. I could also collaborate with other editors to expand the Jack Neo article. In addition, I could write articles on notable Singapore drama serials, such as A Child's Hope, and expand existing articles on these drama serials.

However, the WP:V policy will make it difficult for me to write/expand articles about Singapore drama serials. (see link at bottom)

Another reason for coming here is to make Wikifriends to collaborate to improve articles. (see link at bottom)



I hope to enjoy my time here and make a significant contribution!

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Is this noticeboard not enough? I think having 2 "meeting places" distract from communication. --  Миборовский  22:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm redirecting it to this page for now. I think a WikiProject has a narrower focus than a noticeboard - one is to identify and ask - whereas a WikiProject might have a set plan. We do have Singaporean Places - but if a subproject needs to be created, then it the redirect can be converted. But it will probably be subordinate to this noticeboard. That way, there's still one big central meeting place. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 03:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The notice board is more about socializing among Singaporean Wikipedians. The WikiProject will be focused on improving Singapore-related articles. With a WikiProject, we will have more powers. For example, a WikiProject Singapore userbox, and the ability to make pages part of our WikiProject. Besides collaborations, we can do more, such as aiming to spot and nominate potential Good Articles about Singapore. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * We already have "Singaporean Wikipedians" category. I suppose the difference is finding editors who want to actively work on Singapore-related articles, rather than SGpedians who might work on something else might be a different issue. I don't think the noticeboard is really about "socialising", although I think with categories we already can specify pages. Specific things like Singaporean cuisine or Singapore politics might be invoked. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 04:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

My point exactly. There is a difference between having the "This user is a chess player" userbox on your user page, and being a member of WikiProject Chess to improve articles about chess. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocks to 202.156.6.54 - Issue affecting all Singaporean Wikipedians
Hello to all Singaporean Wikipedians. I wish to raise an issue affecting all of us.

Currently, Singapore's population is over 4 million. Most of us are using StarHub. We all share the IP 202.156.6.54.

This IP is frequently used for vandalism. As a result, it is often blocked. However, these blocks will prevent all Singaporean users from editing Wikipedia. There will be massive collateral damage - more than AOL.

I believe some of you have previously been affected by this block. I have. And I'm not the only one to complain about it. I remember Stefan also complaining about it.

I have left a note at User_talk:202.156.6.54 warning admins not to block this IP. If you have been affected by the block, please sign there. In addition, please sign in support of WP:BPP. Thanks.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * First, I would like to clarify not all SGpedians' use StarHub as their ISP. Some use Singnet, Pacific Internet etc. as their ISP. Singnet users also have dynamic IPs and as a result they get blocked and suffer colliteral damage. These affects most but not all of us who uses these ISPs, as many of us get blocked when someone else who shares the IP also get vandalised. StarHub users mainly have around one or two IPs, but 90% of those uses 202.156.6.54 which is very infamous for anons vandalising. We just have to bear with it, if the new blocking policy proposal takes place, that's good news for all of us. Currently, we have to up with the damage or ask an admin on IRC to unblock it for you. --Ter e nce Ong 08:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * text removed for WP:BEANS purposes NSLE (T+C) at 04:17 UTC (2006-06-10) Stefan 00:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Strange, why is this WP:BEANS, it is advice given exactly for this scenario.... do not understand! if you had a WP:DontRockTheBoat I could accept, but not Beans! I understand what you can do with this and that is the reson I have not shared this before, but I also think that it should be common knowledge or stopped? Stefan 06:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If you say this is BEANS, that is to say that I, as a registered users that have not done anything wrong, is violating some rule in wikipedia if I get around a block to a IP that someone else got blocked! Is that what you mean? i.e. that when my shared IP is blocked I should not be allowed to edit wikipedia??? It is a different thing what the vandal can do, but that is not what I am talking about now! What happend to WP:Ignore_all_rules,WP:Be bold and WP:Assume_good_faith all should have higher precidence that WP:BEANS (never heard of before) and should indicate that what I say should be allowed? Are you saying that my trick can get me blocked?? Please explain! Stefan 08:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, no reply I guess that means that I should give up, nevermind I managed to find the last and most importaint 'rule' in wikipedia that I think supports my claim that this is NOT a WP:BEANS issue. One of the foundation issues, which states either 'the ability of anyone to edit' or 'Ability of anyone to edit articles without registering' depending where you look. Not sure if it means both or only the last? But I would argue that it means that anyone should be able to edit wikipedia, unless specifically blocked which I am not when starhub IP is. So therefore I say that this is a accepted way of getting around the bug in wikipedia software that blocks me when the IP i'm sharing and using is blocked. BEANS talks about don't give examples of how to cause disruption , if you interpret it that way that means that we shoul dnot tell people about the edit button, because if no one knows there would be no vandalism! WP:Assume_good_faith! My intent is not to misuse this, my intent is to help users make more and better articles in wikipedia, this can be used to do bad things, I'm sure you know and understand that, but if I wanted to do bad things on wikipedia, and you offerend me this tip or a copy of pywikipedia, I know what I could do more damage with, and pywikipedia is freely avaliable and accepted. (please reply to this, I would rather have this discussion here and be convinced that I should stop this idea, than in a more public place, where I had planned to take this discussion and probably will do the next time I'm blocked) (or email me if you want to keep it more private). Stefan 13:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If blocked, place on your user talk page and wait for an admin to unblock. Short. Simple. Kimchi.sg 01:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Correct! Short, simple and slow! Stefan 01:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But it works. Please don't be too impatient, or violate WP:POINT. NSLE (T+C) at 01:46 UTC (2006-06-10)
 * I'm NOT violation WP:POINT, how can you say that? Are you saying that since I'm on starhub I'm responsible for all other starhub users edits? and that I should be blocked?, I do not understand? Do not confuse me with others. some text removed for WP:BEANS Stefan 02:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying "don't be too impatient, or you may accidentally violate WP:POINT" (as Hildanknight has previously done and was blocked for). I'm not accusing you of violating it. NSLE (T+C) at 04:17 UTC (2006-06-10)
 * OK thanks! Stefan 06:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * By way of analogy, if a lift you're riding in is stuck, you wouldn't even think of forcing open the doors... right? There's a emergency button you'd press to summon assistance. Same here on Wikipedia. If you don't force open lift doors in real life, why do the equally dangerous thing here? Kimchi.sg 02:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean dangerous?? See advice to AOL users, if you consider that to be dangerous I suggest that you update it and remove the advice! And if I had a lift that was as reliable as wikipedia I would take the stairs! Or try to make it reliable which I have been trying to in a nice way without much success, people are upset when they have to do one revert, but are happy blocking starhub for 24h, check the last 3 blocks, I do not think that the oldest 2 of them where correct, but then Blocking_policy does not say much at all, I think it should state much clearer what to do with shared proxies, it should state that it is OK for another admin to remove a block on a shared IP. I have not check the last block that only lasted for 15 minutes, maybe that was a good block!!! Stefan 02:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Wowowow, stay cool there. It's not your fault that people are using Starhub IP to vandalise. Then again, it's not Wikipedia's fault that we have to block Starhub IPs because of these vandals. --  Миборовский  06:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there any technical-development plan to allow blocking of anon+IP, without blocking registered users using the same IP? Where is the best place to suggest this? We should, as a community, petition for such a tool since this problem affects us so much. Also please raise this problem to Angela during the meetup to push for the development of this said tool --Vsion 06:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * See WP:BPP, seams to have consensus, but development is slow. Stefan 06:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Lee Hsien Loong
The article Lee Hsien Loong is in bad shape. I tidied it abit, but it would be great if some of you guys can copyedit it further. Thanks. --Vsion 06:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

desysopped
Due to issues with him acting as a proxy for a banned user, NSLE has been stripped of his administrative privileges by the arbitration committee. Just thought I'd let you SGers know. Johnleemk | Talk 19:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I recently let two of them know it was likely to happen, so I think most of them know, without even needing you to tell them. NSLE (T+C) at 03:04 UTC (2006-06-11)
 * Thanks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandal watch and  for Deletion sections
I have 2 proposals for the vandalism watch and [articles / categories] for deletion sections.


 * 1) For the vandalism watch section, no articles are to be listed in the section unless they have been vandalised at least 4 times in 48 hours (2 days). Anything less than this is not persistent vandalism, and the article would merit no more attention than any other unprotected Wikipedia page at all, just insert a link to Special:Recentchangeslinked/List of Singapore-related topics for people who monitor Singapore articles for vandalism. To add a frequently-vandalised article for others to watch, just add it to the list of Singapore-related topics. This will encourage more updates to the article, and deny someone the temptation to vandalise a Singapore-related article just for the sake of having it show up on the noticeboard.
 * 2) For the deletion section, from now on no more entries are to be listed in the section. Instead we will point everyone monitoring Singapore-related deletion discussions to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Singapore, which is part of a larger WikiProject to categorise deletion discussions. This will eliminate duplication of effort in listing discussions. Closed deletion discussions will no longer be moved to SGpedians' notice board/Deletearchive, but transcluded at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Singapore/Closed. Take a look at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia to see how the Aussies are doing it.

If no one objects to these two proposals in 5 days (120 hours), I will write them on the notice board as policy. Kimchi.sg 06:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Regarding the vandalism watch, I found some recent vandalism that are disturbing, which involved introducing mis-information into articles such as changing a number or inserting a gramatically correct sentence with wrong information. (such as ), Counter-Vandalism Unit agents won't recognised these as vandalism unless they are familar with the subject. I suspect it is the same persistent vandal doing this. I am hoping to make a list of these vandalism in the noticeboard, to identify trends, investigate his or her modus operandi, and connect the dots, and so forth. Logging incidents of vandalism (especially of the mis-information type) is therefore important, also we should archive the list which we are currently not doing. --Vsion 06:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There could be a global vandalism and misinformation syndicate targeting Wikipedia. Who knows? It's not worth finding out whether your guess is true, because it does not make a difference one way or other. The vandalism of most articles is infrequent, and Singapore articles are no exception. Just revert, warn, and let live - analysing vandal brains is not going to produce anything worthwhile. Even if your theory is correct, and we somehow many to whack that prolific vandal, another will take his place. Kimchi.sg 07:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * IMO, undetected mis-information is the greatest threat to wikipedia's reputation and hence the whole project. The John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy is a good example. A single article, or a single vandal, can cause havoc. Misinformation are potential "time-bombs" (to borrow PAP's phrase), especially in biography articles. We certainly need better tools to fight vandals. An archive of vandalism will, at the mininum, show which articles have been vandalised and new users can add them to their watchlists. Probably the wordings in the "Vandal alert!" section should be changed, the original intention is not just to alert but also to archive incidents of vandalism . --Vsion 07:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * (de-indenting) How would such a list be any better than monitoring Special:Recentchangeslinked/List of Singapore-related topics? If an article hasn't been vandalised yet, that is no guarantee it won't be vandalised in the future - the reverse is true for formerly heavily-vandalised articles (hanging, anyone?), the vandalism can stop anytime. Having an extra section on the noticeboard will not justify the effort needed to maintain it (add new alerts, remove stale ones); and it runs contrary to the spirit of denying recognition to vandals. (In fact, you've just convinced me to propose getting rid of listing articles in that section.) Any "list of vandalised articles" we make, can and are monitored by the vandals themselves. Kimchi.sg 07:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This discussion is taking too much time. As with many things in wikipedia, some people find it useful, some people don't. It is basically a section where a user can raise awareness of vandalism incidents. If I'm the only one who find it useful, then take it out if you wish. --Vsion 08:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

K, M and N overrepresented?
Hmm. Let's see...
 * K
 * 1) Khaosworks
 * 2) Kimchi.sg
 * M
 * 1) Mailer diablo
 * 2) Miborovsky
 * N
 * 1) Natalinasmpf
 * 2) NSLE

See what I mean? --  Миборовский  05:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Coincidence? Or it's the clue to unlocking the secrets of t3h 3l33t cabal? You decide. :P Kimchi.sg 13:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it means there is a government CABAL conspiracy to make sure no more than 1 admin with each letter remains. Terence Chua watch out please. :S --  Миборовский  18:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Chee Soon Juan
(Since kimchi has shut down the "vandal alert" section, let me post this here). In Talk:Chee Soon Juan, it was revealed that the article Chee Soon Juan has serious factual problem, and apparently Chee himself has issued a long list of challenged items in the article. Many of the POV and inaccurate statements were added to the article and remained undetected for almost a year. While to be interviewed by ISD is one cool thing, to be sued by Chee would be quite embarassing. As I'm not very familiar with the subject, it would be helpful if you guys can take a look and tidy up the article. Thanks. --Vsion 05:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Then the question now is...is wikipedia now accountable to the views of individuals who has articles writtern on them? While I cannot endorse nor reject these revealations of facts with regards to Chee given the lack of information I have at hand, it underscores the need to remind ourselves that wikipedia remain a sourced site with a strong NPOV culture. I do not consider direct inputs from the article's subject as "NPOV" in nature in general. Lets work towards the presentation of opinions from both benches (and not making conclusive comments on him) before we end up flip flopping between conflicting views...--Huaiwei 14:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The answer to the first question would be no, Verifiability is the policy that applies here. Chee, in this case, did the right thing, by emailing the editors instead of editing the article himself. Those contributions by the three anons I listed in Talk:Chee Soon Juan have serious problems. I wonder what measures we can take to prevent this from occuring again. Hmmm... how about creating a new section in the noticeboard, for "Request for comment / request to verify"? It would be more prominent compared to the "to do" list. If I encounter a suspecting edit which I can't verify myself, I can post it under the section, to notify others so that more people can examine the concerned edit. --Vsion 17:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Verifiability even illustrated the example of having an article subject (or his research subject) providing information himself to wikipedians, stating that "Even though you have this from the author himself, you cannot include the fact that he said it in your Wikipedia entry." Dr Chee may have done us a favour by not editing the page, but his comments alone wont count for much until he could actually show us published information for us to rely on. And a reputable publisher too while we are at it, if we may consider the party website as a partisan one. Anyway, your suggestions are already in use in wikipedia isnt it? :D--Huaiwei 17:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee's comments are mostly nuts. Even a primary school kid could point out his motives and rebutt him. Can we sue him for bugging a fellow Wikipedian to remove bad (but true) stuff about him? --T e rrancommand e r 17:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And Vsion, don't fret. Because of Wikipedia's free content policy, U.S. politicians have been waging covert warfare with each other by editing their opponents' articles bit by bit. This information took 3 weeks to verify before reverting, causing them to lose their reputation. Yet, the person cannot be sued because of Wikipedia's policy. If Americans can't be sued for this, Singaporeans can't be too. We can always countersue him for hiding up facts anyway, you're not alone. :) (Wikipedia is a U.S. project) --T e rrancommand e r 17:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, ST is biased for our purposes in this case, its controlled by PAP. Must get video evidence, eh? (Sticks out tongue) --T e rrancommand e r 17:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

news maintenance
We should maintain a better current events section for Singapore, of which no new articles for things like "June 2006" or "July 2006" has been created, so now we mostly rely on 2006 in Singapore for anything notable. For an entire nation there is certainly more to do, so perhaps if we posted excerpts on the noticeboard it will be better maintained? Note, I just remembered this after this entire Bhavani and mrbrown affair. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 16:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Or do you guys think we can maintain Current events in Singapore without going insane? ;) I dont mind giving it a try actually--Huaiwei 13:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

List of names
Hi, I have just shifted the list of names to put in in alphabetical order, makes it look much much neater. Feel free to rearrange them but please discuss if after doing so, thanks. --T e rrancommand e r 15:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have just sorted them back to chronological order again. Neat is subjective, but a list showing the order of people joining us in wikipedia and the ease in picking out relative newbies so that they can be welcomed into this community far outweighs pure asthetics.--Huaiwei 17:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There is already a list Category:Wikipedians in Singapore in alphabetical order. --Vsion 22:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, how about I am not newbie, but I just added my name to the list so I am second from the bottom? How would you classify newbie? I don't think 145 edits in a day can be considered newbie... Also, I doubt Wikipedia would allow me to join Esperanza, the Welcoming Committee, and VandalProof if I was new... --T e rrancommand e  r 09:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ignore my comments, even I don't understand what I was talking about. But... I didn't even know there was such a page until I clicked wrongly. -.-" --T e rrancommand e r 09:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh...I suppose that is feedback we need then. ;) Lets help promote this page to fellow Sgpedians!--Huaiwei 11:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As I have already explained, the primary intention of a chronological list is clear. That intention dosent deny individual cases like yours the liberty to cease calling yourself a newbie. It is not meant to be foolproof, for this is not a scientific list, but one only maintained by individuals who volunteerily add themselves in. Even if it does not accurately reflect to the last dot how new someone is, it does at least tell us just how difficult or easy it is for new members to find this page! :D


 * Anyhow, "145 edits in a day" isnt the same as "145 edits everyday". Anyone can chalk up a huge number of edits in a day and then leave wikipedia tomorrow, so lets not go into numbers, for I see no end to it.--Huaiwei 14:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Please avail yourself to Editcountitis. --  Миборовский  19:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I feel like a "peidu mama"... :( --T e rrancommand e r 16:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Which really does deserve an article. --  Миборовский  18:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If you really want to know, I'm criticising them by saying that. --T e rrancommand e r 14:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Standard naming scheme
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Archive?
Ready to archive? This page is getting rather lengthy. --  Миборовский  04:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. Kimchi.sg 20:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

User:David91
This Singapore Wikipedian appears to be missing, suspect to have passed. I wonder if someone has the time to check and confirm?

The simplest way is to look through the obituaries in the archived sections of The Straits Times at the National Library. Another branch with such known archives is at Jurong East. Newspaper archives are in the form of microfilm. There is some identifiable information about him : his age is 94, home believed to be at Ang Mo Kio, and last edited mid April 2006. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 03:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Peer review: "History of Singapore"
Please take a look at History of Singapore. Your comments and suggestions are appreciated at Talk:History of Singapore. --Vsion 05:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you should make it a Good Article, before sending it to FAC. But Peer review is a good step. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Submitted to Peer review/History of Singapore, let see how it goes ;-). Knight, you don't sound stressed leh. Take it easy, young man. --Vsion 06:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My stress period is more or less over. I am now looking for WikiProjects. Good luck with the Peer Review and I hope it becomes a Good Article. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Meetup?
Anyone interested in a meetup, I've created a page here. I plan to have this one in November maybe the first two weeks of holiday or else some will flee Singapore for a long vacation. ;) It should be fine as I believe almost everyone's exams are over, I don't know about those doing O and A levels this year. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 10:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Help a fellow SGpedian
Hildanknight wants to leave Wikipedia because he feels stressed, and happens to have conflicts with a few SGpedians. Anyone for helping him? --T e rrancommand e r 13:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He'll be back. --  Миборовский  06:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm probably not leaving. I am currently looking for WikiProjects to join, to contribute to articles of interest, and to make Wikifriends. You could help me by suggesting good WikiProjects. Currently, we don't have a WikiProject Singapore. If we did, I would be a participant, working on articles about Singapore TV shows/movies. Others could work on history, education, etc. One of the main causes of stress - blocks to 202.156.6.54 - was apparently removed; however, for the second time in two days, I was a victim of collateral damage caused by an autoblock. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See? ;) --  Миборовский  20:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * To quit just because of one being an unwitting victim of an IP block seems alittle...nvm. :D Now I am quite sure our young Singaporeans have greater resilience than that? ;)--Huaiwei 21:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm known for my resilience. Being the unwitting victim of an IP block won't make me leave so easily. The problem is that it kept happening, especially when I was trying to contribute information, and that really stressed me. I let my stress get the better of me in the wrong way, and I lost my focus as a contributor of information. I've been informed of some recent changes to the blocking mechanism which are supposed to prevent me from being a victim of collateral damage, but there appear to be some problems with it. On a more positive note, I've just decided to sign up for the Computer and Video Games WikiProject; I will work on the following articles: Neopets, RuneScape, AdventureQuest and Chip's Challenge - and I hope to get the first two to Good Articles. However, I am still thinking about starting a WikiProject Singapore. I was chatting on MSN with Tdxiang, and he added a red link to a WikiProject (Singaporean entertainment) on the noticeboard page. However, a general Singapore WikiProject would garner more participants. Being a Singaporean and listing oneself on the noticeboard does not neccesarily mean one is actively involved in contributing to Singapore-related articles; that's where the WikiProject comes in. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Young? o.o --T e rrancommand e r 06:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Peidu mama
Hear? We need an article on peidu mama!!! I just googled, and man, people have been saying nasty things about them, especially after one of them died or something. It makes me mad, and it makes me not want to associate myself with you xinjiapore(a)ns. >:( I give 3 days for the above link to turn blue, or I'll remove myself from Category:Wikipedians in Singapore (I probably should anyway), Category:Singaporean administrators and SGpedians' notice board in a somewhat lame and futile but symbolically-important cyber protest. --  Миборовский  07:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh, that woman who conked off wasn't a peidu mama I think... she was just an ordinary Chinese national. --T e rrancommand e r 13:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Tdxiang has responded to my request and created the article, though (as might be expected?) with much predjudice and uninformed statements. But thanks anyway. --  Миборовский  08:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, peidu mamas [article] suck. But I've done up the article a bit. --T e rrancommand e r 13:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Since you guys are at it, we also need articles on other foreign workers, from Thailand, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Philippine, India, and Sri Lanka. Perhaps, an article Foreign workers in Singapore is a good start. --Vsion 14:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I like that idea..just about any article which talks about the lesser-known aspects of Singapore is of interest to me. ;)--Huaiwei 14:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Now, Miborovsky, that's funny. When I Google "Study mamas" and read the forums, the first results I was came from someone supposedly from U.S.; who started similar threads on study mamas, ranting on about their plight and how the Government should help. I find that this is very similar. I'm sure that someone who joined the SGpedians' notice board comes from the U.S. too, right? --T e rrancommand e r 15:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's not me. Besides, I'm no longer part of your little noticeboard. --  Миборовский  20:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Homerun nominated for Good Article
User:Richardshusr nominated the Homerun article, which I wrote, for Good Article. He also nominated the other article I wrote, Google Groups, for Good Article.

I would obviously be delighted to see two articles I wrote becoming Good Articles, especially because I am a member of the Good Articles WikiProject.

However, I think the two articles I wrote, in their current state, are "not ready" to be Good Articles. Nominating them too early may negatively affect their chances when they are ready at a later date. Could you please look through the articles, and leave your comments on the talk page (something like an informal Peer Review, or an advanced WP:RFF)? Fail the articles if you consider that the right thing to do. Please remember that I am trying to make them Good Articles, but in the future. As Homerun is a Singapore-related article, getting it to Good Article would be a boost for us.

Google Groups shows potential, and after I do some further expansions, referencing and touch-ups in August, I will Peer Review it, after which I will consider it ready to be a Good Article nominee. Homerun needs more extensive expansion, referencing, and general cleanup, but I am willing to collaborate with other Wikipedians (potential Wikifriends) to make it a Good Article, perhaps in September, after a Peer Review.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hildan, Google Groups is not related to the notice board, irrelavant actually. ;) --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 04:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, Terence, I know. However, Homerun is a Singapore-related article, and I'm sure that, being an SGpedian, you would like to help a fellow SGpedian out, and improve the article to Good Article status. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Odd Singapore flag
(The below thread is copied from my user talk page)

Hello. I found this flag using Google image search (I used the term Olympic flag). The flag is white with the Lion Head symbol in the center. How often is this flag found in the country? Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I have never seen it before. Kimchi.sg 08:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I personally never seen this before, but when this photo was taken, it was taken in early June or July of 2005, when the IOC was in Singapore to pick the 2012 Summer Olympic games (given to London, United Kingdom). I am stummped to what it is. Any help is appreciated; thanks in advance. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that even a flag? Nonsense! Its just a symbol of the merlion. Just like foreigners (dailytimes) to get it wrong. If I'm not wrong, you can find it printed on any of those cheap red or white plastic bags you get at the market when buying stuff. --T e rrancommand e r 06:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you see the link I pasted? It showed this very flag flying next to the Olympic flag in June of 2005. I know this is the national symbol, but this the first time I seen it in a flag form, and juding from everyone's reaction, I guess so too. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just like foreigners to mix things up. But yes, this is a national symbol of Singapore and can also be seen on certain banners (but not flags). Okay, that's what I think, at least. --T e rrancommand e r 13:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The photo clearly shows it printed on a flag in Singapore, so why deny its existance?--Huaiwei 14:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Could be photoedit? Or else Singapore went nuts and put that as their national flag for such a big event. Cause I read up on Singapore flag, and this flag isn't found in it. What I'm commenting on is the misinterpretation, my dear Huaiwei. It is clear that Zscout370 is a foreigner and I'm just trying to explain to him. And it is not common, i.e. you don't see that in National Day Parade, do you? What I meant was, I've never seen that flag in Singapore. --T e rrancommand e r 15:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok got a response from outside of Wikipedia. In short, this is a "corporate wordmark" flag that is supposed to be used to promote the tourism industry in Singapore and mostly appears outside of the hotels. I checked, and I do not think it was a photoshop image, since I was told the photo is from the SwissÃ´tel Stamford Hotel, since this is where the 117th meeting of the IOC took place last year. I was also told that this flag has been growing in use among tourist places, like hotels, but not in general widespread use. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking for us, Zscout370. So I suppose according to Terran, Singapore did went nuts.--Huaiwei 23:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I went nuts, since I never seen this flag before, and with Singapore being a tiny nation, I am surprised this went unchecked by myself, FOTW and others until now. Now, just need to find out some information to add it somewhere meaningful. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh I was spared from going nuts since I failed to notice that flag despite being at Raffles City throughout the period of the IOC convention! I do wonder how else we can find further information on this thou. I wont be surprised if it this flag appeared during a National Day Parade or two in the past for nothing more than decorative purposes.--Huaiwei 05:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That is being looked into, I will get back with you. But, I do not know how long I will have to wait until I get this information. And, since I have everyone's attention, would you like to help me get Flag of Singapore to FA. While I am from the United States and do not much about your country, I can pull many flag resources, prod my contacts and provide SVG images under a free license. If you want to do this, come see me on my talk page. Thanks :) User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow thanks! I will try to look into this after I get past my workload in reallife thou. :D--Huaiwei 13:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just a national motif, like the Liberty Bell for the US. Anyhow, Terran, there's no need to be so xenophobic. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 03:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikimania 2007 bidding
For quite some time, I was thinking that we have a potential of hosting next year's Wikimania. I believe we can still put in our bid, what do you all think? We better put our bids fast enough or else it will close. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 09:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't think of it - we'd have to deal with an IOC-scale number of participants with less than 1/100th of the manpower and money available. Kimchi.sg 19:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah? --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 03:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

We need a WikiProject Singapore!
This noticeboard is a good start. It's a place for Singaporeans to meet each other and chat. However, I think we should be bold, go further, and create a WikiProject Singapore, to work on improving the standards of Singapore-related articles.

With a WikiProject, we can conduct activities such as the SCOTF, which is now inactive. In addition, as a WikiProject, we can have our own userbox. We can also place the WikiProject Singapore template on the articles of Singapore-related articles. One significant advantage of a WikiProject is that non-Singaporeans who are interested in Singapore-related articles can work with us to improve articles.

The most important question we must ask ourselves is this: We are all SGpedians. But are all, or at least most, of us working to improve Singapore-related articles? If the answer is "yes", we may not need a WikiProject.

I will contribute to WikiProject Singapore by writing articles (and improve exisitng articles) on Singapore TV shows/movies. Hopefully, by collaborating with other SGpedians to improve such articles (especially those I write), I can make more Wikifriends. It would be great if we can make some of these articles Good Articles, as I am a member of the Good Articles WikiProject.

This is one reason why I somehow feel my contributions must be part of a WikiProject. If you decide not to create a WikiProject Singapore, could you recommend me a WikiProject to join for Singapore TV shows/movies?

I would create the WikiProject myself if I was more familiar with wiki markup. Could a more experienced SGpedian help me create WikiProject Singapore, and list me as a key participant?

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hildan, try WikiProject Film if you like movies. You just need practice in Wiki markup, its simple. Isn't this notice board like our WikiProject. IMHO, I believe that a WikiProject is not necessary for the time to come as we do not have enough active users around. We should think about the pros and cons of a WikiProject, its not so easy after all. Be bold and create a WikiProject yourself. I believe there's a page where they list all the WikiProjects. Your contributions don't need to be part of a WikiProject, you can do without it, seriously. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 14:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * A WikiProject is a way of organizing my contributions. It also helps me to collaborate with other participants to improve any articles I work on, especially articles I write, to Good Articles. In addition, other participants in the WikiProject are potential Wikifriends with similar interests. I will look at WikiProject Films; however, I work on both movies and TV shows. What are the cons of a WikiProject? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 09:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We don't have to create an all-new WikiProject. We can be more flexible and base on this one as a WikiProject itself if we want, cos' the noticeboard was created with this aim originally in mind already. - Mailer Diablo 12:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I see. I agree. We can just move this to WikiProject Singapore. Then we need to work like a WikiProject - actively contributing to Singapore-related articles - and gain all the benefits of a WikiProject, such as having our own userbox. As mentioned, I will work on Singapore TV shows/movies. Is anyone also interested in local TV shows/movies? If so, we'll be the ones to write such articles, and hopefully make some Good Articles. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's get going, then, unless you wish to seek further consensus. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Er...I am not verhemently in opposition, but why should we limit ourselves based on nothing but in name? This may be called a "notice board", but does that mean the same ends cant be met with a WikiProject? I do notice that sometimes, we become so engrossed in the processes, that the ends are never arrived at, as has happened to myself as well. Just to share my tots.--Huaiwei 17:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Do we currently seem to be working like a WikiProject? Do we actively collaborate to improve Singapore-related articles? Sometimes a renaming may cause a change of mentality. Besides, I really want the "This user is a member of WikiProject Singapore" userbox on my new userpage when I finish it in two weeks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyone interested in Jack Neo movies?
I am a huge fan of Jack Neo movies, and writer of the Homerun (film) article. I have the VCDs of all the Jack Neo movies since Money No Enough, with the exception of Liang Po Po: The Movie.

I am currently seeking other Jack Neo fans so we can become Wikifriends and collaborate on the series of articles on Jack Neo movies.

Our tasks will include:


 * 1) Improve the Homerun (film) article I wrote to Good Article status.
 * 2) Expand the I Not Stupid and I Not Stupid Too articles (optionally Jack Neo too).
 * 3) Write the Money No Enough, That One No Enough, The Best Bet, I Do I Do and One More Chance articles (particularly the latter three, which I have greater familiarity with).

Generally, I will write an article first, and then let those collaborating with me polish it up, and we will work together to improve the articles. If the articles are good enough, we will nominate them for Good Article following a Peer Review.

Richardshusr told me that Homerun (film) (and Google Groups, another article I wrote) coud become a good article with some effort by me. In August, I plan to expand and polish the article further, together with other editors, and by the end of August, I intend to Peer Review it and then nominate it for Good Article.

If you are a Jack Neo fan, and/or wish to collaborate with me on the Jack Neo series of articles, please reply. Besides improving Wikipedia's coverage of Jack Neo, we'll be making Wikifriends.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism and blocking StarhubIP and some BEANS
There have been lots of vandalism from and blocking of User:202.156.6.54 recently, since there was never any conclusion of the discussion that was held here where I tried to help us registered users, if you are a registered user suffering from beeing blocked since StarHub IP is blocked, you should have a look at this edit, before it gets beaned away. This is the same recomended solution that I think works, some former sysops might not think it is acceptable but some current ones seams to agree with me. (ducking and hiding and wondering if this might get me blocked?). Anyway I do assume good faith and want to help people and I did give chance to tell me why I should not recomend this and did never get an answer, looking for BEANS coming falling from the sky hitting me ...... ). Stefan 15:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Recently, some changes were made to the blocking policy, that were successful in eliminating some of the collateral damage caused by blocks. However, the problem has not been completely eradicated, as autoblocks still cause collateral damage, and more so than regular blocks. Yesterday I was completely locked out of Wikipedia due to an autoblock. Remember, these issues caused me to almost leave Wikipedia once. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 01:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Singapore-related articles for deletion
Hmm...why are notices for the above section moved to an obscure location that hardly anyone seems to be tracking now? We are having an article like List of bridges in Singapore due for deletion, and I hardly see any inputs from other Singaporeans? I would propose having notices appearing here again, while archiving the rest in a seperate page for immediate visibility, especially considering the fact that these nominations are time sensitive.--Huaiwei 12:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Happy Kicked-Out-by-Malaysia Day everyone
X-D -- Миборо в ский 06:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh. ;) I hope one will get pics for this year's NDP, if they were lucky to get tickets for any of the shows. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 07:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Aren't you the master photographer, Terence? Happy 41st Birthday Singapore! Please look three sections above - I need someone to collaborate with me on the Jack Neo movies series of articles. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 07:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

=p. Happy birthday to all of you. __earth (Talk) 09:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Gone for good
Our COTF has been gone for good. No more COTFs from now onwards, unless one of us would like to revive the collaboration. If revived, I hope everyone, put some effort in one way or another and help out with the COTF regularly. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 09:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Four sections above, I posted my intention to work on the Jack Neo series: writing 5 articles, expanding 2-3 articles, and getting Homerun (film) to GA status. I stated that I was seeking SGpedians to collaborate with. I have not received any response for 10 days. Is nobody interested? I wanted to make WikiProject Singapore because I wanted us to participate and collaborate, which we currently aren't doing well. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 09:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No need to give up so easily, be patient lah. It is quite unrealistic to expect quick response here, this is not "singapore 21th century civil service", think in terms of "months", instead of "days" :D. Hmm... nobody worked on the Homerun (film), really? --Vsion 14:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikimania bid
Ok, bid for Wikimania 2007 will be officially submitted soon, when we get all the major issues done about hosting it in Singapore. If you are interested of helping out in organisation, contact me via email or my talk page. Suggestions or comments are welcomed. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 13:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Contact Tdxiang if you want anything to do with Wikimania, thanks. --Ter e nce Ong (Chat 13:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Possibly dead...
Dear people, it is of my deepest regrets that an SGpedian (although he did not acknowledge himself as one, but he is) is possibly deceased. David is possibly the oldest Wikipedian here, form Singapore.-- Tdxi an  g   Jimbo's 40th Birthday!  09:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * We need some form of confirmation; See my message several sections up this page. - Mailer Diablo 16:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Attempted to change Portal:Singapore ended up in a total fiasco!
Hello everyone! I recently attempted to edit the Singapore portal to at least a featured portal status. But the attempt ended in a total mess! But don't worry. I reverted my edits to the last acceptable version. The reason for this is because I noticed that the portal needed a major makeover. The edit links of each portal boxes were linked to template pages. Compared to the Featured portals, these links are led to the respective sub-portal pages. I feel that this portal has the potential to be featured. I accept full responsibilities for my actions and wish to apologize if any harm came to this. You can view my comments on the talk page of my phantom progress. This is actually the first time I had edited a portal page extensively. However, this is not an excuse for my incompetence. I am very disappointed with my failure to improve the portal. The portal needs a major improvement! -- S iva1979 Talk to me  09:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Suspected vandalisation of the Nan Hua High School article
Hi. I discovered that the article on Nan Hua High School is "vandalised", or put this in a proper manner, edited badly. Specifically, I found that there is an unverified section in the "Recent Achievements" section. Please check this out. Thanks. Sjsharksrs


 * I have edited the article to a way more factual and true, but I expect the article to be vandalised once again. Please look out for them! :D Sjsharksrs 04:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikimania 2007
Hello SGpedians, I appeal to all of you to help out in the bid of Wikimania 2007. This is tough on us, but we may get potential sponsors, if all of you can help. It will be great if you could. It will also let we SGpedians' get a good reputation and be well known in Singapore and the rest of the world. But first, I hope that you can help fill in details and particpate in the discussions here. We need a strong team to get the conference. I hope to get sponsors and the license, please give ideas and suggestions for the conference. Wikimedians will come to our country and see how wonderful our home is. A good start is to list your name as part of the local team. Something is better than nothing. Look at the bright side of things. Please do help in the bid, it will bring us glory. For the busy ones, just help when you are free. Some of us have exams coming up, but please propose the dates and do all the planning, before we submit an official bid. We have until September 10 to do it.

Thank you. Ter e nce Ong (T 10:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Sri Perumal Temple
This article was requested in the SGpedian's noticeboard. On further research, another name for this temple is Sri Srinivasa Perumal Temple. If anyone can come up with information which is contrary to this, please feel free to make the necessary changes. I made the necessary changes by deleting the article name from the noticeboard. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  21:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

List of Singapore-related articles needing attention
I created a list, at User:Vsion/SgMaintenance, of Singapore-related articles that need attention. The list is roughly modeled after Pages needing attention, the list is generated semi-automatically. Some articles were tagged very long ago, but virtually ignored. Also there are many stubs and very short articles among sg-articles. Hopefully, this new list will help us to focus on improving the quality of these articles. There are statistics available to measure how well we are doing, such as number of cleanup pages, short articles, etc. It is better than those related sections in SGpedians' notice board/to do, because it is more accurate and can be updated regularly.

I'm wondering how to integrate the new list into SGpedians' notice board. Should we place it (a) within SGpedians' notice board/to do replacing those related sections (b) in a new maintenance section within SGpedians' notice board, or (c) in a separate maintenance page? Suggestions or comments are appreciated. Thanks. --Vsion 00:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Several articles in that list that I am willing to work on include Saint Hilda's Secondary School, Mark Lee (comedian), Sharon Au and Rhapsody in Blue (drama). --J.L.W.S. The Special One 01:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. I think topic-related maintenance is the way to go, the Maintenance is simply overwhelmed by the volume of tagged articles. We could also place the sg-maintenance-list under Wikiproject Singapore when it is up. Thanks. --Vsion 13:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have a question, where's this bot?? --Ter e nce Ong (T 08:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In my local machine, it is a reading bot, not an editing bot. --Vsion 13:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved the list to SGpedians' notice board/Maintenance, as a subpage of this notice board. --Vsion 03:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Anyone interested in collaborating on articles about Jack Neo movies?
Greetings, fellow SGpedians. I am planning to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Jack Neo movies.

I am planning to work on a total of 10 articles:
 * Improve Homerun (film) to Good Article status.
 * Expand the I Not Stupid article.
 * Expand the I Not Stupid Too article.
 * Expand the Jack Neo article.
 * Expand the Megan Zheng article.
 * Write an article on Money No Enough.
 * Write an article on That One No Enough.
 * Write an article on The Best Bet.
 * Write an article on I Do I Do.
 * Write an article on One More Chance.

This is a mammoth project, and will probably take at least a month. Therefore, I am seeking SGpedians who are willing to collaborate with me on this project. WikiProject Singapore redirects here, so it is clear this is the place to post.

I do not need help with writing the articles; I believe I have adequate writing skills. There are a few things those collaborating could help me with:
 * We should agree on a common structure for all the articles on the Jack Neo movies. The articles Jack Neo and Megan Zheng are about people, not movies, and therefore will not have the same structure as the other articles.
 * Create a template which has links to each of the eight articles on Jack Neo movies. For an example of what I mean, see the template at the bottom of SingTel, which has links to articles on Singapore's two other telcos: StarHub and MobileOne.
 * Once I have written an article, or made my significant expansion to an article:
 * Copyedit the article.
 * Ensure proper formatting of references and fix any other formatting problems.
 * Further expand the article to fill in any gaps in my knowledge.
 * Add references.

If you are interested in collaborating with me on these articles, please inform me by leaving a reply here, and optionally, also dropping a note on my talk page. Many hands do make light work, and I hope we can collaborate to ensure Wikipedia has a comprehensive coverage of Jack Neo movies, and that I can make a few Wikifriends in the process. Thanks for reading, and I hope there are many SGpedians who would be interested in collaborating with me.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I am interested in Homerun (film) and I Not Stupid which are my favourite films. Unfortunately, I haven't watch the other movies yet. I should also work on Jack Neo, but I have had difficulties finding material on him. As for the article layout, one suggestion is to examine feature articles of similar topics such as Casablanca (film), Eric Bana as a reference on how to organise, expand, and improve the articles. Cheers. --Vsion 01:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * While some Jack Neo fans may wish to collaborate with me on all the articles, if you can collaborate with me on only two, that's fine with me. Obviously, this will mean I need more people to collaborate with if each person only helps me with two or three articles; although it does mean more potential Wikifriends. Let's get started! --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I have completed my rewrite of the I Not Stupid article, and posted a request for feedback on the article. Would anyone here like to read the article and respond to my feedback request? Feel free to further improve the article, and help me format the references. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 04:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Primary schools in Northern Ireland
I have been adding Primary schools articles for Northern Ireland, largely stubs, to which new contributors have started to add to and develop etc, but have come under attack by people proposing that all such primary school articles should be deleted as being non-notable etc. You can see the debate at Articles for deletion/Abercorn Primary School. A little help would be useful (assuming you agree with my arguments). I have been quoting Singapore as a precedent area where primary schools are listed and articles appear. Thanks. Ardfern 18:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

About a requested article.
I would like to comment about the potential article, 2005 Singapore Fashion Festival which is requested in the notice board. A google search shows only about two or three unique hits for this topic. Clearly, this is a non-notable event. On a personal note, I do not mind creating this article, but I am afraid that it would be deleted through an AfD process in the near future. So, should I remove this red-link from the notice board? Any comments about this would be greatly helpful here. Of course, I will be delighted if a user manages to create this article with lots of references and sources and prove its notability! -- S iva1979 Talk to me  04:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, if there is no objections raised soon, I will be deleting 2005 Singapore Fashion Festival from the list due to the above stated reasons. Please comment on this as soon as possible! Any objections to this will be welcomed! -- S iva1979 Talk to me  03:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I have deleted this potential article from the noticeboard. However, if any editor could verify the contents of this subject, I have no objections in its creation. But, currrently, a google search shows no useful links to this topic. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  18:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Bak Chor Mee
I think the Bak Chor Mee section in the Mee Pok article should be removed and put as new article. If one has eaten Bak Chor Mee, we should understand that it is not always Mee Pok. Many Bak Chor Mee are also Mee Kia, and some stalls that sells only BCM also uses other noodles. It also needs to be expanded. HistoryManiac 17:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Second meetup
I need to plan the meetup, so please kindly select the dates you wish to have the meetup on. The most number of votes will be the meetup day. If you all don't want a meetup at the end of the year, it's fine with me. --Ter e nce Ong (T 13:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Singaporean American
Singaporean American has been proposed for merging with Chinese American or Asian American. Knowing how kiasu you guys tend to be, you might have something to say about it.

In other news, Mib got a call from an "Inspector" (what sort of position is inspector, anyway?) to join teh uber1337 SG army, best in Singapore and JB, and some say Batam. Will I be seeing you kiddos (and big scary army goons) soon? Mayhap. But probably not. -- Миборо в ский 04:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC) $$Insert formula here$$ Bold text

New "Welcome Singaporean" template!
I just created a new template at   so that we can insert them easily into any new suspected Singaporean we come across here. Comments are welcome, and please feel free to edit that template if you deem it neccesary. I unabashedly merged text from multiple welcome pages to come up with this one...hehehe.--Huaiwei 14:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good, I'm using it; :D --Vsion 04:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

DYK
The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Continuously doing so! &mdash;Sengkang 02:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We do get lots of great items from Singapore, thanks :) Keep up the good work. --Peta 02:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Re : Loke Yew
I was informed about an article, Loke Yew which appears to look like a cut-and-paste. Instead of an outright deletion for non-notability a quick background check appears that some facts are verifiable and correct , and the person is notable. Any takers to do a clean-up, or perhaps a rewrite for this one? - Mailer Diablo 14:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It has been deleted as copyvio, but if anyone can do a rewrite still that'd be good. - Mailer Diablo 15:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have to mug, my Maths is goyak and I need to practice it, I can't even solve some factorisation questions. :X Maybe after 27 October, but Loke Yew is not that notable after all. --Ter e nce Ong (T 15:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ivy Goh Nair
I'm not sure whether this person is notable or not. Google says no. Will somebody please have a look at Articles for deletion/Ivy Goh Nair. Thanks. utcursch | talk 08:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Pure vanity, person is non-notable. Never heard of her. I've heard of Ivy Singh Lee not Ivy Goh Nair. The former is a netballer association president and runs a veggie farm in Kranji. --Ter e nce Ong (T 10:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey fellow Singaporeans/Singapore-phils, please note that the Editor/creator himself, Chandran Nair has requested (on 20 Oct 06) that the article Ivy Goh Nair be withdrawn because the debate page had degenerated in to personal attacks and deletion of positive comments by users. This was posted on the notice board here after the request was made. Further comments while they are possible since Wikipedia is a such a free site, would call into question the motives of these users. This is only common sense!Ivygohnair 08:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians who wish to follow the full discussion of the debate on Ivy Goh Nair should see also Talk:IvygohnairIvygohnair 09:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Meetup
Hello, the meetup maybe on these dates. November 24 or 25 or both days, do leave your name at the meetup page if you can make it. If you have any enquiries, you may contact me. --Ter e nce Ong (T 16:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Notice
I would just like to draw fellow Singaporean's attention to edits by one particular user by the name of User:Instantnood. For example, see his attempts to refer to Singapore as a Single-party state   and his comments in Talk:Pedra Branca, Singapore. This user has been known to engage in prolonged disruptive editing, and I have long noticed his curious edits on Singapore related articles, often in childish response to my edits on HK-related articles. It is by no coincidence that he is banned from editing the Singapore article itself.--Huaiwei 15:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Single-party state" is descriptive, and not necessarily negative nor positive. Singapore is described as a "single-part state" not only on Wikipedia, including an academic from the NUS . The reason why I was barred from editing the article on Singapore because you insisted that the abolished City Council had duties over the entire Singapore (which was not true), and the entirety of modern Singapore is officially defined as or designated to be one city. In what way were my comments   at talk:Pedra Branca, Singapore disruptive? &mdash; Instantnood 18:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed requested article
I have removed this requested article, Narasimha (band) from the notice board as it will likely be deleted if created. In this website, it is stated that the band from Singapore had only released one album so far. This fails WP:MUSIC guidelines. Moreover, all the songs which this band has released as not has any charted hits in this country. This band has not gone in for any international tour so far. So, in conlusion, this request should be deleted from the notice board. If anyone disagrees with this view, your comments would be deeply appreciated! -- S iva1979 Talk to me  08:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed requested article
I have removed Far East Plaza Kids from the to create section as this article will most likely be deleted if created. A google search for this subject shows only three unique hits. This shows that it fails notability guidelines. If anyone objects to this, your comments would be greatly welcomed! -- S iva1979 Talk to me  12:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Description
Hello! I am interested to see if any SGpedians will be interested in a WikiProject for Singaporean arts. Our scope will include: as well as the people involved, such as Singaporean actors, musicians and writers. Like all WikiProjects, we will focus on menial yet exciting tasks such as creating new articles, cleaning up articles, and setting consistent standards across articles of the same scope. If enough people join the project, we could even set up a separate task force for each different aspect of Singaporean arts! Not only would the project be awesome, we'd also be helping out the myriad of pages on Singaporean entertainment that are in sore need of cleanup and expansion. - ryan  d  11:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Singaporean film
 * Singaporean television
 * Singaporean theatre
 * Singaporean music
 * Singaporean literature

Interested SGpedians

 * Sign below if interested!


 * 1) I have been pushing for such a WikiProject for some time, but failed to get it rolling. I have made major contributions to several articles on Jack Neo movies (see Homerun (film), I Not Stupid and I Not Stupid Too) and minor contributions to several articles on Singapore TV shows and actors. I'm interested in making further contributions to articles on Singapore TV shows (the 9pm drama serials on Channel 8) and movies (Jack Neo movies). --J.L.W.S. The Special One 11:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Interesting. --Ter e nce Ong (C 11:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments!


 * Comment - No one up for making these articles not suck? :( - ryan  d  12:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not all the arts and entertainment topics are mentioned in your list. If we start, please also include them in. Thanks. --Ter e nce Ong (C 11:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Such as? "Arts and entertainment" is a term that can be applied very loosely... - ryan  d  19:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The project is up. - ryan  d  14:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleted potential article
I have deleted a potential article Keppel Viaduct, from the to create section of the noticeboard as it would most likely go through an AfD nomination if created. A google search shows up only two unique hits. This lack of reference would likely cause this article to be deleted. Moreover, in my humble opinion, I do not think that the subject matter of this article is encyclopedic in nature. However, if any Wikipedian could give reliable sources for this article and write this article in such an encyclopedic style, I would definitely try to chip in some information. But at the present, I do not think that Wikipedians, especially from other countries would support in keeping this article on Wikipedia (Of course, being a Singaporean, I would like to see this article on Wikipedia, but on further research, I have to reluctantly agree that the subject matter is not notable under Wikipedia standards, yet). -- S iva1979 Talk to me  15:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The above argument also applies to the requested article, Marina Square Kids. A google search shows up only four unique hits. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  15:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The requested article, Kendrick Lee should also be removed. The main reason is that he has not won anything major yet. For example, this webpage shows that the above mentioned badminton player has not even competed at an Olympic meet. However, I wish to add that a google search shows about 700 unique hits. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  16:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * NO, Kendrick Lee shouldn ot be removed. A Commonwealth Games participant is considered good enough to be included on Wikipedia. We shall see his performance at the Asian Games in Doha. But definitely he is notable, and meets WP:BIO. Kendrick has represented Singapore at a very high level and we should be proud of that. --Ter e nce Ong (C 11:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Kendrick Lee is considered the second-best Singaporean player after Susilo. Not notable enough? Meanwhile, Keppel Viaduct has been the longest viaduct in Singapore for a decade or so, and has been the solution to link two major expressways together. Not notable enough also?--Huaiwei 15:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there is no harm in creating the article on Kendrick Lee. But I feel it would be better if this article was created after the Asian Games as it will less likely be posted on AfD. Quite a number of Singapore related articles was deleted as well by the Wikipedia community. For example, a few of the articles about our athletes who represented Singapore at the South-East Asian Games were deleted, citing notability concerns, a few months back. As for the subject on Keppel Viaduct, getting reliable sources on the net might be a problem here. But there is no harm trying to create an article about this as well. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  20:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * We can always archive a copy in our sandbox. Something like SGpedians' notice board/Keppel Viaduct for example, to save it in case it's deleted. --Rifleman 82 20:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

User Singapore
I've noticed that User Singapore causes an extra line break when transcluded onto other pages. Can someone look into it? --ZhongHan (Email) 17:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Problem solved by User:Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh on 20:28, 13 November 2006

Military history of Singapore
Okay guys. Haven't interacted much with those here collectively, but some have seen my work in Singapore-related topics. Started a new article which is strangely lacking since there is so much info on the "now" but not the "then". Only one section is halfway complete, that is the post-war period. How we can help: the Library of Congress reference at the bottom actually has not a bad story to tell. Rather than cut-and-paste, I've been rephrasing, summarizing, wikifying and supplementing with other articles already extant. If you have a bit of time, you can pitch in by doing the same from this source, and any others you can find. --Rifleman 82 19:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Pedra Branca
Do note, that the above article, which was (disputedly) moved to Pedra Branca, Singapore by an anon, is now being proposed to be moved to Pulau Batu Puteh by, you guessed it, a Malaysian. See Talk:Pedra Branca, Singapore for the full discussion, which is currently on-going as I speak.--Huaiwei 14:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I Not Stupid for GA?
There are currently 3 Singaporean GAs: Singapore, History of Singapore and Singapore Changi Airport.

I have been working on I Not Stupid since September, and I believe it is close to GA status. Several of my Wikifriends have agreed with me during discussions on MSN Messenger.

I invite all SGpedians to read the article, and help me improve it to GA status.

Several points:
 * Please leave the Plot section alone for now. I know it sucks, but I'm going to thoroughly rewrite it. Once I rewrite it, I welcome everyone to copyedit it.
 * We should create a "Jack Neo movies" template to place at the bottom of articles about Jack Neo movies. Could someone with more experience in wiki markup help me create it? As far as I know, there are 10 Jack Neo movies: Money No Enough, Liang Po Po: The Movie, That One No Enough, I Not Stupid, Homerun (film), The Best Bet, I Do I Do, One More Chance (film), I Not Stupid Too and Just Follow Law. I created the template, and Vsion formatted it. Done.
 * The Political satire section is unreferenced. Will it affect I Not Stupid's GA chances? If so, should we delete it? Could we find any references for that section? (The rest of the article is well-referenced, except for the Plot section, which doesn't need references.)
 * Is there enough information to write a Production section with references? If not, will the lack of a Production section affect I Not Stupid's GA chances?
 * Are these screenshots fair use? If so, which should I use in the article?

Hopefully I Not Stupid will become Singapore's fourth GA by the end of November!

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeap, our cultural-related articles have been relatively neglected compared to articles on infrastructure, history, etc. It is good to get one culture/arts-related article up for GA as a start. The references and production content are indeed lacking. I guess we have to research more in these areas. Isn't there a theme song for the movie? --Vsion 02:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that the Cast, Reception and Sequels sections are adequately referenced. The Plot section doesn't need references - it just needs rewriting. Only the Political satire section lacks references. We should decide whether to reference it, delete it or leave it alone.
 * Due to the lack of information and references available for Singaporean topics, it will be difficult to write a good and well-referenced Production section. We will need to decide what information should go into the Production section (music? shooting? writing? crew?) and find referenced information. To answer Vsion: yes, the movie does have a theme song.
 * Two other articles - Singapore 2006 and Singapore general election 2006 - are close to GA status. Please consider working on them as well. At the end of the month, I will nominate Daniel Brandt, I Not Stupid, Singapore 2006 and Singapore general election, 2006 for GA status.
 * --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject
(cut from preceding discussion) To the sgpedian community: Remember we were once discussing if we should turn this notice board community into a project community (and didnt do it because the functionality is basically the same)? I would be quite amused if we find ourselves having to do the switch for no better reason than Thadius856's comments, but we might very well have to! Ridiculousness on a bright Sunday morning. :D--Huaiwei 23:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It appears that our community, being a notice board rather than a wikiproject, has implied a lack of legitimacy. So, how do we turn it into a wikiproject? Can we get it done now? --Rifleman 82 23:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Mailer diablo has done the marvellous thing of adding SGpedians' Resources,. our de-facto extension of WikiProject's functions within this notice board. Kudos to him! A number of us are now busy grading sg-related articles and declaring them as part of this "NB-Project". ;)--Huaiwei 12:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * To be honest I decided to extend it because I was too lazy to convert. And I don't think our resources are big enough to have a really active WikiProject around. ;) - Mailer Diablo 21:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've been waiting for this importance-and-quality ratings for a long time :D. Btw, aren't we too conservative in placing articles in the Category:Top-importance Singapore articles? There is only one article there so far. I would think that all the "main articles" listed under the main sections in Singapore should be Top-importance articles, which give us about 10 top-importance articles. This will give us a broader spectrum for rating the other articles. Any comments? --Vsion 22:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes that's very true. I was wondering the exact same thing. I was having some issues deciding importance of military articles:simply coz there are too many steps in their "hierachy" of sorts. and only a three-step importance scale to rely on. ;)--Huaiwei 22:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems like everyone is up and about early this morning. I've recatted 10 articles. I hope you do agree with my assessment. I chose mostly articles which are either significant in our history or culture. --Rifleman 82 22:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh btw, did anyone notice we are already considered a "Wikiproject" of sorts in WikiProject Council/Directory/Geographical. The thing is you have to look for us under the China section !--Huaiwei 13:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved to Singapore. Sheesh. -Rifleman 82 13:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

My God I love this table ! ;)--Huaiwei 16:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I was looking at WikiProject China and WikiProject Canada, and I suddenly had a change of heart. It dosent look too much work to form a wikiproject page based on that template, and move some of our more collaborative-based functionalities currently in our notice board to the Wikiporject while maintaining the notice board for what its meant to be...notices of good work, new articles, and so on. Of course if we are up to it, we can always evolve into the likes of WikiProject Australia later, but do the rest of you think we can manage with the simplier version as characterised by the first two egs, or if this is needed at all?

Your opinions please!--Huaiwei 16:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Since we are expecting a spike of contributions during november and december, I would say be ambitious and go for the Aussie model. I especially like the table of importance-quality matrix. One thing, please don't call the subgroups "departments" (sounds too bureaucratic), call them "teams" or something that sounds nicer. --Vsion 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I was hoping everybody would like the new assessment table. I was giving it quite a push and thankfully Olev agreed that it was doable. It seems like the exact reasons why I was trying to get it created are panning out to be the case here. I'm astounded, however, at the massive rate which assessment has already commenced. The only problem is that the template doesn't always transclude correctly, most noticeably when trying to float it next to another wikitable.


 * Don't have enough active members to be a WikiProject? You've got to be kidding me. My mind is blown by the massive amount of effort thats already gone into assessment alone in the last couple of days. Surely you guys have seen tiny projects floating around, such as WikiProject Yukon Territory Roads, WikiProject Myrtle Beach or WikiProject Silver Dollar City? WikiProject Singapore would be extremely helpful, if not already desperately needed. :) thadius856talk 04:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration
I've set up a new collaboration process. I'll expand in detail on the day of the meeting, and hopefully it will start working soon. - Mailer Diablo 10:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm...nice work and page, but dosent that really look alot like a Wikiproject extension? ;)--Huaiwei 15:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Great. I can't believe it won't work this time. When does the nomination day starts? Or can we start nominating article already? As for the objective stated on the collaboration page, shouldn't we reinsert the statement which says "to bring articles to FA standard"? I assume we have not abandoned that as a goal for the collaboration effort ;) --Vsion 15:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * When would this return? I miss this the most. --Ter e nce Ong (C 16:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about that as well. It seems that the new collaboration page is to replace SGCOTF, but it is not explicitly stated. --Vsion 17:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I wish to nominate I Not Stupid, Singapore 2006 and Singapore general election, 2006 for the collaboration, as I believe that with some work, we can get them to GA status. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Singaporean Arts and Entertainment - Redux
So I decided to be bold and create WP:SGAE after all! Feel free to help out, give feedback, yell at the things I should've done differently, whatever. Also expect to see a new project banner appearing on various talk pages soon. - ryan  d  14:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So how do you pronounce SGAE? See-Gay? :D--Huaiwei 15:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I... I've never actually thought about it that way :/ It was "suh-jay" in my mind, if anything. - ryan  d  15:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I joined the WikiProject. I'll be working on articles on Jack Neo movies and some TV shows. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Singapore as a single-party state?
The issue has cropped up again over at the above page, with the reintroduction of Singapore there. See Talk:Single-party_state.--Huaiwei 22:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Guys, check out what our friend is commenting over in. His use of the word "evil" was particularly interesting.--Huaiwei 13:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's called dominant-party system. - Mailer Diablo 23:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Navbar
Now that it looks like the Singaporean WikiProject aspect is expanding beyond the SGpedians' notice board, I made a little navigational aid template to help navigation between the related pages. Feel free to modify it as you see fit:

Also, the only page it's not currently on is this talk page itself. The top of the page is kinda cluttered and I couldn't figure out how to put it there without making the whole thing look ugly. Enjoy! - ryan  d  07:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the intiative. Hold on a little on this thou, as we are considering setting up a true-blue Wikiproject and reorganising our collaborative system if need be.--Huaiwei 13:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

SG politician infobox
I've been browsing through the articles on Singaporean politicians (it's really a mess in there) and I realize that what we really need is an infobox for Singaporean politicians. I am aware that exists, but it's primarily US-centric, and a Singaporean infobox could better encapsulate the political scene in Singapore. I would do one myself, except that being the politically-apathetic Singaporean that I am, I have no idea what information would be relevant. Comments and/or offers to take up the challenge? - ryan  d  07:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I may be able to help abit along the way. I am thinking we need a wikiproject dept on Singapore politics anyway, which I will be glad to be a part of! ;)--Huaiwei 13:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Next meetup
Rather early to decide, but just to let you all know. Keep March 10 or 11 free if you are interested in the next meetup. It will be more organised and professional this time round. See here for more details. Only confirm the dates you are free after February 11 2007. If you are interested, do leave your name there. Any queries, ask Goh wz, Chaerani or myself. --Ter e nce Ong (C 14:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Pedra Branca
The above article was moved to Pedra Branca, South China Sea by an admin despite the fact that the dicussion mentioned both options as possibilities, but with more indicating Pedra Branca as the preferred version. I wonder if the community here sees a need for collaborative action in light of this prematured conclusion by an admin (and which a user even thanked for "helping out" there )?--Huaiwei 17:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * If you count both polls, doesn't concensus obviously tell that we want it moved back to Pedra Branca, not its current name. That was not much discussion about this move, it was so abrupt. --Ter e nce Ong (C 17:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Meetup infobox
I'll like to propose setting up a meetup infobox a la Meetup/Melbourne/Invite, Template:Meetup/LA/Invite, Template:SeattleMeetup and Meetup/Sydney/Invite. It'll enable us to inform multiple users (not just SGpedians) (through their talk pages, this notice board, etc) without having to edit the individual pages. Please vote. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZhongHan (talk • contribs) 15:53, 28 November 2006.
 * To add on, it should preferably be created at Meetup/Singapore/Invite. If there aren't any issues, I will create it after 1 week. --ZhongHan (Email) 02:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Please note that is has been done. Feel free to improve it. --ZhongHan (Email) 13:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. &mdash;Goh wz 15:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support --Ter e nce Ong 16:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Fann Wong for GA status
After recent cleanup by Voda voda and myself, I believe that the Fann Wong article is almost ready for good article status! All it needs is a little more polishing and copyediting to prepare it for peer review and GA. Anyone is welcome to help; there's a to-do list on the talk page. - ryan  d  15:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Although the article is well-referenced, two major issues must be addressed if Fann Wong is to achieve GA status:


 * 1) The article contains excessive lists. A list of films/dramas she starred in and awards/nominations she received will do.
 * 2) The article lacks a section on Fann's "personal life". "Broad coverage" is a GA criteria.
 * As a member of the GA and SGAE WikiProjects, I am willing to help with writing, copy-editing and ensuring quality of prose.
 * I am currently working on improving I Not Stupid to GA status. Could you let me nominate Fann Wong and I Not Stupid at the same time (along with Singapore 2006, Singapore general election, 2006 and Daniel Brandt)?
 * --J.L.W.S. The Special One 09:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your points. I am aware of the first point and intend to clean it up soon. As for the second point... well, I guess it's back to research. Nominate both articles together if you like, but go ahead and nominate I Not Stupid first if it meets all the GA criteria before Fann Wong does (or vice versa). - ryan  d  13:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)